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Choshen Mishpat Throughout The Ages Part 2
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BR hello how are
you okay so in last in the last the
first episode we discussed
basically graph Cairo the Rama and the
Marshal that these are the three start
this is the starting point of the world
of when you get down to H tour
Shar where they devoted their Works in
COD making codification of mass amounts
of information of
Al now we spoke about how all three of
them understood already the power of
print printing had just begun a little
earlier and the r was actually going
against his his M by by transcribing and
putting
down R I think I mentioned last time was
anti- writing down Hal but at the end of
the day they all these three in their
own methods which we discussed a little
bit last time they put
down now and from there on the impact
has it's from it's until today not
necessarily does everyone realize that
now today we'll see a little bit what
the impact of the Rama and the Marshal
had on the next generation of people
after them now the what they did was is
they gathered crazy amounts of
information on one hand but they also
reached spis
we mentioned we stressed again and again
the besides for pasing he collected a
crazy amount of information and became
sort of the library for the next bunch
of generations the RAR was concerned
about amongst other things that that
there was missing the the
P Mar also had issues with that and
that's what they did but the bottom line
is that what I claim and tried to
outline a little bit was is that not
only that their methods the of these
were
in the various works
on um and that's what we're going to
continue with today
um now to start out the first that
basically comes out after the
r is from
the he's born in 1530 dies in 1612 now
he was a talmid of the Marshal and the
Rama
which he and he mentions this in hisam
already
his at least some of it came out a few
times even already in his
lifetime so just like the other that we
have earlier that I mentioned the
previous episode The the and the mar
where they have these hugas where they
outline lots of different information so
the also has a massive introduction
which is very K to go through to see his
methods and what he's trying to do but
one that I'm I would like to bring out
with the with thees that in his he was
considered one
one when he talks about him he
says and then he
says when he's talking about
him the head of he was the head the
episode that we gave last year about the
get M he was the one of the we saw even
but they sort out his and we saw
the how they looked at him
as looking
into so he deals with
mentioning in the different entries that
he has on him um mentioning all
different pieces of information and one
thing he throws out already is that
the is
called and the he says it down often but
he argues on it a lot which we'll get to
shortly was written already early on to
attempt to answer up some of theas that
on of the on the and other there was a
lot of other on
the now but the point is that he was a
talmid of the mar and a talmid of the
Rama now interestingly enough some
people are under the impression that the
that uh right away he was dismissed and
no one really looked at him but we as I
said ready in his lifetime was printed a
few times which is very unique in one of
the introductions that was published in
his lifetime he writes that he heard
that in there was a to learn his safer
after
daving they so he got good feedback
already in his in his timea some people
try to claim that there was very impact
afterwards my investigation has shown
that that's not true
um for for example the the the people
that we're going to be starting to
discuss now it doesn't make a difference
I'm not trying to say that they held
they agreed with everything he said but
they learned what he said starting from
the and
onwards him hundreds of times the Taz
hundreds of times now it doesn't it's
it's not to say that he doesn't argue or
not just to point bring this home the
Mish much later on
than writes the things is he saw that
all different interesting importance
Farm on one of them he's proud to say
that I got a copy of the because at a
certain point in time it became very
hard to find also is very much into the
he copies different styles of now what's
the style of so in the the writes out
that he's trying to do something it
seems that he also had the bad luck
which we discussed last time that the at
the same time of K was working on his
work the Ra was working on his work so
it seems Lush was also working on some
type of work at his time and they both
beat him out but after the Rama and the
B came out what he was what he did say
was like this he saw that there's still
a necessity for his work what is what am
I referring
to which now had theim the bottom line
so to speak of
theim from in the and then wrote a map
on there so felt that there's still room
for him what was it that he wanted to do
some type of Middle Ground cuz
is very hard to learn and remember and
you have to know the at least the we
know is a crazy amount of information
and maybe the ra is too little
information so he did something in
between and that's what he set out to do
now for for many for many people this
was a very important starting point and
it's sort of becoming a sort of Revival
I would say something about 20 30 years
ago um the was reprinted in a very um
userfriendly
and I think that even helped that in the
past 20 30 years more people use because
it's found in all standard libraries
Yesa libraries and you know people
learning Mish Mish does coted a lot and
the the world of Al has become more
popular so it sort of became somewhat to
look at it again whereas for a good few
hundred years people did not look at it
the question is why not there's no good
answers for that um okay now just to be
M this which also harps on inclusion
with our story with the and that
is in his he wrote two to his work Al of
the works are both both of these Adas
are very important where he emphasizes
the importance of learning and then he
says like this even though
the
wrote
but for him what was the for the he
says on the so to the what does the say
why because over there they
show where does everything come from the
is just sort of what is it for this is a
fascinating thing others say this
also and he says that's also how the gr
looked at this work in his
BR this is a very important
sentence and then he then quotes a
famous B which says that you can't just
pass you can't just pass from a open you
have to know
the if you the says you have to
know you have to know the of the story
and that's what says the um continues
the when he wrote his which proves my
point that that the there still was many
people
using um it was to is why because is
so there and what happens is continues
that that's what they did in they opened
up the that it's not
just you can't just him from you have to
know somewhat the reasons so so this is
a very important nuda um we're not going
to go into all the different aspects of
it where that's not the point of this
whole thing but this plays out in the
work of of the and the and everything
but this is how the looks at it and and
many others okay so this is the story of
and now we go to the so to speak what
became known as today and the question
when that happen is beyond what we'll be
talking about is the first of
the which
is so again we have a a very important
person which for some you know again he
had the bad luck which we're going to
get to the famous sha so since he was
going up so to speak against the sh he
doesn't have that same um Fame so to
speak I would say today but B we're
going to see he was UN he was considered
unbelievable who so who is he so he's
Rua valet FAL however you want to say
his name and translating it and he's
famous for number one writing this work
on called the on which is published the
first time in
1614 and then he but what's less known
people don't realize is he has another
work which is known as the
praa which is found on the
tour now who is he so the pon point
which is following in the first episode
is that he's a tal of both the Rama and
of the marsh and he's very proud that he
learned by these
two and my claim is that he takes what
he learned from these and he moves on
from that and that's so so what we're
what I'm trying to claim is we see a
direct influence of the great Mar and
the and the first of
the of both of these people now it's not
just that he's a tal and it's not just
that he quotes material from the mar and
that he's writing a parish on the raama
is Rabbi it's that he's going with their
MIM throughout
hisor and just to point one um and
nuda is that one of the points I
mentioned which the mar is is very very
important when you talk about the maral
is he held that you have to go back to
the makis you have to go back look
inside learn the sugas inside make sure
not to rely on any um secondary sources
or even worse this was a very
fundamental um nuda in the in the um
Mahal of the
especially going back to the gar and
learning the properly so now here I
could say that if you once again
the has a
massive where he outlines his M his
interesting points about his life and
his methods of learning and what he was
trying to do and once again it's
incredible incredible to read so what
bom line so far is that everyone the Bas
so far all the people we discussed you
don't have to rely on academics
necessarily or that learned their Hamas
you could read their Hamas and you hear
their own words Mish Pages devoted to
outlining how they looked at their Rim
their methods and what how they reached
how they wrote why they wrote the per so
here he talks about he says he learn he
stresses with
hisama seems Thea wasn't out at that
time we know this from other places fine
then he says Not only was he to learn by
the Rama he's proud of said learning by
the mar
so now at certain point in time he so
becomes basically a major
rashash now how was he able to be
rashash Shiva he married a very wealthy
person and he describes that length his
his basically supported him built him a
massive sh CL where him and his tal were
able to sit without any
learn so basically here we have a person
he learned he was learned the suas and
he outlines it he M started from scratch
he learned whatever there was out there
m m of the mar was three floors a
beautiful building he describes and he's
learned this in Lamberg a proper City he
has a big
Yeshiva now interestingly enough is he
says they learned 14as we don't the
standard are not 14 so he learned more
than the standard yes what they word he
doesn't say he also writes down how he
wrote A lot of the stuff down what they
learned in the Yesa is and everything
and then tragically there was a fire and
destroyed everything so the kiter
obviously this gave him motive to get
moving and the next time around he was
careful to publish it um now he and he
outlines what it is that he wants to do
and and how he's to the and the ra the
mar and everyone you know what but at
the point is that he's he says he looks
at the Earth star he's reading their
stuff he's learn their stuff but he's
putting it through intense analy
analyzing it with with giving these
massive sh and basically he didn't have
any tus you could see from this from the
description over here he was able to S
and learn at the later point in this he
describes mish how wealthy the was the
was supporting tons of different things
but the point was he was with this with
um as opposed to many the other we're
going to learn we're going to read about
they weren't always weren't didn't have
this Milo of being able to have this
crazy yes to just sit and learn in a Sho
in a Yesa Building without having to
worry about anything he didn't have to
go fundraise nothing and he puts out
this work
on this which is this which is a very
very fundamental work here in he talks
about the why he doesn't like the um he
describes a conversation he had with the
about's work and as I said you could
learn many many things from this of his
but the point that I is we see again the
flow of someone taking information
looking up the going up going up
reaching at times he argues but he does
say if you make a mistake you don't have
to go according to me um I'm not the sa
so to speak okay but and every time I
read this H it's fascinating it's m
fascinating because you're seeing your
Mish seeing him right Firs hand what was
going
on
in in the in
um in his kufa and his and everything
okay so and publishes his work and now
we don't we don't have a massive of his
on
any um other
than but we
have um interestingly enough a few years
ago they they printed they found the a
of his on your day on 4 I think there
was some other discoveries of some
material of his okay but I found the
story of this SM but the point also is
he's the first when you open up your
standard even today the starting
conversation in usually will begin with
a smile okay now we move on we go back
to the to the
tour in a standard tour everyone knows
you have the Bas of one side you have
the Bak on the other side so the Bak
he's the next person in our um story and
he also very important person in the
story now he takes issue with certain
things
um he takes issue with certain things of
the he
felt writes that one of the things is
that he goes Al what's called P which I
already say this many times in different
sh we did not ever explain properly what
that means but he feels the does not
like that he feels that not supposed to
use P methods whatever those words mean
um and he's upset about the smile
particularly with this and he argues
with it many times anyway so he writes
this massive work but the B the
difference between the B and the SM is
that we have
on
the his story so now he's already
breaking from what we
up of both the mar and of the so the B
is not he's a tal ofal of both you say
the b has r that learned
Mar and he has that he's also tal of
people that learned by the ra so again
this m that I'm building up which is to
show that there's a direct chain the r
the mar it's not just that they wrote
These important works but their tyal was
given over to the to the next
Generations this is a key
fundamental that I like to bring in okay
so the we could on him but bottom line
is he's born in um somewhere between 15
16 1564 and he
dies in 1640 a little
before he one of
the and again he's under he's a big name
he's a in a bunch of why he was in a
bunch of is beyond the scope but it
seems like he might have been a r in
like eight different
places and he's a tremendous rashash and
has numerous numerous T but as I said
what's also significant for us is we
have the T he wrote down all this
information not all not necessarily all
but a crazy amount of information is
recorded by him and published mostly by
him the
onour comes out a little bit after he
dies and the is also an incredible
incredible work we also have numerous
numerous truis of his that were
published over the years which are very
important in the world of Al some of
them are very very lengthy and you're
able to get incredible incredible
insight into his
and here too again just to mention very
very we see a tremendous influence of
the mar on the same type of Mahal of
what different things we find with the
um which we outlined a little bit in the
previous episode Mar can be found with
the B not only that he brings the mar
numerous from the mar which is also the
similar type of thing so the and the the
is the from the is the of the so this is
so this takes us to the B
now why the B WR on the tour is beyond
the scope of what we're trying to
discuss now but one theud just to throw
out there is everyone's F it's famous
the um one of the things with the is oh
on the side of the G so he was also very
concerned with the text of the gar this
also is something which we know the mar
was because everyone knows when you
learn Mar many times he also deals with
the text of so this is something else
that there's some type of influence
possibly on on him a few years ago we
was to there was a major discovery which
was they
found of the there a whole discussion
about it if but it's pretty much
verified these so not only do we have
the
um B
on and numerous and some other of hisa
but we have on certain they found
his and other and from there also it
gives us a glimpse into this great G
okay and what what I was able to see
when you learn through it is this
tremendous impact of again the mar and
and and Rama on him fine now we move
on what's the um we move on to the
next person in our story and that is the
Taz so the
Taz in is is the only person that we
have that wrote the Taz wrote
on that we have however the story of the
T and is different you say when was each
one printed or was it a different period
of time somewhere in his lifetime and
some much much later as we'll see we're
not going to go Outlaw everything about
the T there's a lot to say about the T
but just to say very briefly he's born
in 1586 he dies in
1667 now he learns by it seems by he had
a brother quotes material from his
brother and then eventually he marries
the daughter of the and he come to learn
Yesa and it seems he lived in crao and
he learned by him he lived by him there
story all types of stories we also have
aor of his um Rashi a famous recent more
recent Years also D David and it's also
legendary at the end about with chap he
sent his kids to speak to him Etc okay
he dies atak
1667 now he's a he's again the head of
the so we're talking about a person
who's one of the but he's also the r he
has hundreds of seems in all the
different places where he was he has
many many different T and also very
important is that he writes on
everything he writes on
okay
I'm um I'm just going to say very few
ideas relating to him and that is as
follows number one if you look at in
um the of his so you'll see Theus that
he got so first of all key point is he
was considered a God in his time he's as
I said he's the head of the so the truis
the sh were going to him and he's giving
the sh and he had a big Yesa and he's
and prominent cities and he's also a
son-in-law of the godar the previous
generation so these are key factors when
you're thinking about the T in
general and and he has the say he
married the right okay now if you look
just look at that they write about him
that he got
on it says like
this because was published after he dies
in 1692 which is way he dies in 1667
another person
writes another person
writes so you see that the there was
tremendous tremendous for the Tas And
yet when people learn out when people
learn is is an extremely important
player in
of
learning everyone knows you
learn it's not only that it's on the
side of the page it's very very
important
now again what do we know about him
what's his so again once I already said
the is coming from
the of the sorry of the so but we see
the T he's very noted to quoting so many
one the only he quotes
is the maral with unbelievable coven so
you see again this maral this claim that
I'm claiming through which is that
the went now down two generations this
is the is the second
generation now to the Taz the third
generation ofak so you see there's a
tremendous impact of mar which I already
said last time some people
say here you see from the amount of
times now of course the tiles was a very
as I said he's a he's a very confident
he argues on plenty of times but he has
a Mur he's also very much into the bath
okay fine he also has his which he
writes on Y which was published in his
lifetime again we see that they he he
learned this with and his to publish it
so you see again not only they but they
learned was a very big concern and they
they learned all of Y and at the end of
he talks about and we hopes that on
sounds like it was ready is also going
to get published now the problem
is that the gets published very late in
the game
now why that is there's no way to know
but we the the facts are that it get
published later in the game one of the
key when one wants to learn about the
history of of this time was um is a
from a
tremendous who
was in C which we discussed actually in
the first episode that I gave on Old off
which was about the machine Master
controversy I spoke all about this his
name
was he was one of the people in the
famous controversy led the controversy
against he held that MIM mat is a
problem and he was was very close with
muger they led the
battle so what's less known is that he
was also expert in history and he wrote
a massive work which is
considered with tremendous cover of the
that he's writing about with tremendous
yed not only of history but you could
tell what makes him unique is that he
knows the inside of this F too which is
very important a lot of times called
so where's
the lber which he wrote a book all about
theam of lamber and he deals with the T
all the different and he
says when does it come to print in 1690s
and not only that when it comes to be
published you if you could look the T on
is not the same today you understand
that it's on the bottom you have to look
for it even W so it's is published in
1692 less known and this writes out
about it who the person who publishes
it seem even hid that he was the person
who did it why he did that I don't know
but he he did it and there's many of
some in sprinkled throughout but it's
only
till when does the rest of the T get
published in 1741 so it's fascinating is
for whatever reason and there's stories
that are sad and we're not going to go
into it but there's claims why the ties
wasn't that is wasn't published until
late etc etc but what's is the
throughout the
generations
and his work is also
important and again he's also preserving
this which he's getting from let's say
the b and the mar he's very and he
writes this out clearly even in his when
he's talking about he also has not as
long as the people that we mentioned
before but he also has an
important now
one tiny idea to theory of M which I do
not know if it's true but so far
checking into it I think it is true is
that he really would have written a work
in at least in and maybe even but more
on the tour similar to the B but once
the B wrote on the tour so he didn't
feel like it's probably proper to write
in the tour what what I mean to say is
when you look at the the Taz he doesn't
he's not he doesn't make it his business
to that I'm now talking now more in and
especially in to talk about every single
thing he is he has a bunch of topics
that he feels are important in each
sment and he goes through it and
sometimes you'll see Mish clears at you
that he's he's Mish like a rashash
giv you'll see a long longle and he sets
it up with the gar
the and you could see it's like two
pages huge text and it's Mish like if
you look at it very carefully this was
the
as I said he writes this is my and
everything so basically is that he
didn't put it on the tour but he's
attaching it to the
and but he's not it's not so much to be
let's say the SM who's actually he
writes he's coming to them also part of
the story okay but anyway it's not a
this is just a theory and we can move on
okay now the last
person that we will discuss today is is
the Sha the Sha is an is a story that um
will technically need hours on hours to
discuss
him and we would never even get to even
scrapping this scratching the surface
about the greatness of this
person bottom line is like this he's
born 1621 and he dies at the age of 41
in 1662 that means he's 41 years old and
he puts out a mindboggling work on yeda
and now don't worry you think that he
only wrote that we have other stuff from
him we're not going to go through all
the different pkas and different things
about him but for many years the the mat
of What's called the the literature
about him was very very um there was in
this clear that I just mentioned from
deitzer there was and and but otherwise
it was very little somewhere around 20
something years ago I got a paper from
RZ rezar Schwarz from Wu that he wrote
about Shak a very nice paper 20
something pages and it was very useful I
I read it many different times a few
years ago a fellow Hesco fagin wrote a
masters about the Shak where he
organizes some of the issues with the
Shak and then very recently Aid in older
yid spent many years working on the
sh he wrote this doctorate in Baran
University in the tal dep department and
he also wrote about the Shak a massive
few hundred pages and even with all this
there's still so much more to say and
look and analyze about so obviously we
have very we have a few minutes we're
not going to really try to discuss all
that much about just some brief points
one other person that I'll will mention
at the outset ISU he's a prolific writer
writer so he wrote articles inur where
he deals with the Yas between the shakaz
which is a famous thing that everyone
always talks about what's the did they
get along didn't they get along did they
like each other didn't they like each
other they met they didn't meet what
they thought about each other the all
these different things which is not so
relevant for us because we're talking
more
on is its own story with the and the T
and theas so it's beyond the scope but
anyway RAB imbal has a whole mass of AR
about to to to find tun and figure out
what's going on between these
two and he's a very fin so he has what
to um he's able to talk about it very
well he wrote a massive work but also
okay and he also wrote um about the
rebba rbes which we'll see in a moment
what's the significance of that now so
this imbal his material was published
originally in yurin and various of yurin
and then eventually last in this year
came out in a three volume set from
where is a ton and ton of information
which he updates buter these are all the
places one could read all about the and
again about the Tas now so what would I
like to just say in these few very few
very brief minutes say who does he learn
by seems it seems possibly his father's
as rebi another rebi is known as the
first P Yeshua who's the first P
Yeshua is the
mag the Z from the P Yeshua which he was
also one of the of one of the of his
time is one of his and the second re of
his is the re of
now so we have to understand is the the
Shak comes along a 25y old guy and he
publishes a work on
your now no one is able to explain how
did someone do such a thing but not only
does he do so let's say a guy comes with
this work the the yera the work in y and
he's 60 years old and he writes his
unbelievable work which we're try just
broad Strokes in a
minute he does the exact same thing for
and mindboggling how someone do this and
he dies at 41 now you have to understand
in those days what was going on he's
living in the times
of the other xus are going on he was
affected by he so much so he even wrote
a very not so well known until recent
years was republished but Mill a where
he talks about what went on during he
wrote a short book and then he says he
and his
family went on
what we know about he wrote he talks
about um his rebi that we just mentioned
rea the crack dies in in this period of
time so we're talking about a person
that's that he's living in a very very
terrible time for there's no he's not
talking like the SM that's sitting in
the Sho doesn't have to worry about
money his paid for everything he's
running now happens to be already in his
20s he's the he's on the Bez of the
three people the three of thez no small
feet in the 20s to be the who's on thez
this is the we met in the story of the
SP
ezar now so he's a d and he puts out
these two
works it's so much so that you could see
that no one they just couldn't get over
how could someone how could one human
being publish such a thing that in the
travels of the which I'm fond of quoting
always he brings down that someone said
that um two things one is that the
knew which is that he was able to have
how can you write so much
information look at the sh today with
computers he couldn't do this so he says
he knew how to do it's called automatic
writing
sh which is that he knew a special way
to have that it could be was writing for
him like what we what if someone came
back from 200 years ago and see what
computers are he would think that's also
sh so they
so when he's talking
about how did he have this crazy again
through he had he knew how to use shame
mean say they couldn't ra their brains
that laws of could write this work so
they said these they had these Messias
now maybe it's true I wasn't there what
we do know is that even though he was
affiliated with RAB and the people that
were EX in cabala he never talks about
cabala Kat anywhere in in his works now
it's not a big deal because there's not
so much kab that's GNA play out Ina and
in especially but
fine okay so so this is the story of him
on this is PR number one
that he basically is it's it's not
comprehendable to understand what it is
that he does How could a young man do
this and now more than that he goes
ahead and he puts out the work on y now
you have to remember we just brought up
the whole thing who's he going who else
WR on y the god the all of a sudden a
25y old imagine today the god writes a
everyone's using it everyone's looking
at it and then all a sudden or knows
hisum and then he publishes his work and
then right then when walks in some 25y
old guy they throw him out on his head
they put him on they who knows what they
would do he walks into in those days how
do you get ask sc one of the ways was
you at the ID I think I spoke a little
bit about it one point briefly in one of
the episodes in the yes in the episode
of the of the um get of Vienna the the
story a lot of these things would take
place at the ID soeter he he brought his
work there and he gets over something
like 20 something hasas from all
the at the time and they're blown they
see the work and they're blown away that
significantly is that he's a tal of two
of the besides the T who is that the
Reber ofel who was not known is re in
those days and as they said
this both of them
write
in and L the but he also gets who was
the who was the god that
time also and it's fascinating is that
the he argues plenty on
the so me but still sorry Feld this Mas
this this young fellow 25y old guy to
write to publish his work etc etc and he
gives him this beautiful and um just to
read two things two lines from these
escamas that we have um in the standard
in the in the standard editions of the
you won't find it but if you have
the that's now
called etc etc they they went ahead and
they tracked down from the first edition
all that Stu okay State there that he
learned by
he doesn't say
learn
Lear what he does and and he writes his
now the Reber ofel when he writes about
him that he didn't give he didn't he
didn't waste any time he didn't sleep
nothing biter he sits and learns he
writes it's
unbelievable he's not he's he's every
single thing work now there he's not
even saying that he's he says you should
be to publish more
works we have from they're all blown
away by his work that he puts out at the
time okay
now what I think we'll do is like this
we'll finish up next time a few more PR
with and then we'll finish up in the
story of the
other in the last episode on on this far
next time thank you very much for part
two throughout the generations I like to
mention people like to talk about you
know who they an of SOA is someone I
know that I descend from so I'm here to
hear you talking abouta and his
grandfather the original
panua and it should be all for us and
CLA okay have a wonderful day
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