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Chesed and Kiruv Focus with Yochi Herzog and Rabbi Chaim Sampson on JM in the AM
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Nachum Segal welcomed Yochi Herzog, President of the Kedem/Royal Wine Corporation, and Rabbi Chaim Sampson, Founding Director of Project Inspire, to this morning's program to discuss how kiruv and chesed are intertwined and how everyone can be involved in bringing people closer to Hashem.
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Well, we've uh we're in the midst of our
Nissan campaign. Of course, we'll talk
more about it later on. A lot of great
initiatives a week to go before the
Seder and there are a lot of needy
people out there and we've made
suggestions even if someone's not needy,
but they may be in a specific situation
where they need a certain type of help.
Uh and they're very there are some very
creative and many of them inexpensive
ways to help people. single mothers,
singles in our community,
uh families that are um you know going
through difficult challenges
specifically this time of year. They
they make it through the rest of the
year, but this this time of year is
really hard. Go to.com
for some of those recommendations.
and our good friend Yiki Herzog.
Um,
Royal Wine Corporation, Kedm, you know,
the company that Barak Hashem will have
God knows how many hundreds of thousands
of bottles on the seder tables around
the world. Welld deserved for the
service that they continue to provide
for our community for so many decades.
And we of course have had an amazing
association with them. And you would
think that today, a week before Yantiff,
our good friend Yi Herzog would be on to
talk about wine. No, no, no, no, no, no,
no. Yay contacted me and said, you know,
there's another type of another type of
outreach, right? Because is outreach.
You're reaching out to others. Another
type of outreach I would love to discuss
on the air, especially before YT. Maybe
it'll get people around the Seder table
and around the YT table to talk about
what they could do for people uh in the
comm in the greater community.
and uh Yi suggested that we invite to
this conversation Rabbi Kaim Samson the
founding director of project inspire.
So it is with great pleasure that I
first I say welcome Yi Herzog back to JM
in the AM
>> good morning pleasure pleasure to be on
again
>> a week before Yantiff you must be one of
the busiest people in the country.
Yes. Yes. But you got to do it for the
children. We got to do what's right.
>> There's no question about that. And you
in many creative ways have been telling
us this for years.
Rabbi Kaim Samson, a pleasure to welcome
you to JM in the AM.
>> Thank you so much for having me. It's
really a covertle. Thank you.
>> I that's really sweet and very nice of
you and I thank you for that. Normally,
we'd start with Ray Samson because uh
he's obviously the director of Project
Inspire, but it would be unfair not to
have Yayi explain to the audience,
explain to all of us uh how all this
came about and what this is all about,
frankly. AI, tell everybody uh how is it
that we got to this point? What is it
that happens on a regular basis? What is
it that you've discovered over the last
many months and years uh that has gotten
us to this point of getting on the air
and discussing this outreach initiative?
>> Very simple.
Thank you for having me again.
>> Sure.
>> Always pleasure talking to you in a big
maz.
>> Thank you. on the of your daughter this
week
>> and only by school and everybody
>> but you know my father's of very well
>> and the herak family my father always
been telling us for years not only in
the kishayan business in the kishm
business
>> a from company
supplying thousands of hidden with kish
>> with with a good reputation a from
company with a good reputation we need
to stress that
>> borashem and we produce wine all over
the world and we have our own wineries
and we and many of us as you know Jay
myself and we're busy traveling and
mingling with people and coming across
less affiliated and non-religious Jews
in in the industry very Jewish industry
>> not very many from Eden yet
>> right
>> and you mingle and you talk to them and
and just being honest straighta
businessman you can influence to get a
little closer to Hashem. And my father's
always been telling us telling this to
us, don't forget the madesh Hashem.
You're working for the Royal Wine
Company. You're presenting
a Jewish Orthodox firm. Present it in a
nice way. I've been as a kid always been
hearing it. And I grew up in Mount Kisco
as you know there's the Nitish title,
but the town of Mount Kisco, a very uh
wealthy town, a lot of non-religious
Jews. My father would go there to the
modern shoo on a regular basis and put
in with people and and and go to help
them make communion. So the outreach was
in our DNA. But lo and behold
approximately 25 years ago it was by
Shabaton of Project inspire and I got
inspired most shabas it might have been
Samson or someone else got up and
there's a big crowd in Mali never going
to forget it few hundred people and he
said okay Rabbi sorry everybody's
inspired beautiful Shabbat how many of
you are in Kiru raise your hand and
about 10 12 people is and about 10 12
people raise their hand they're in Kiru
Then he asked another question and how
many of you have relationships or or
business associates who are not yet
religious or not that connected you talk
to on a regular basis and probably 100
hands went up. Well, guess what? You're
all in Kir. And starting from this
Friday, I want each one of you to commit
to pick up the phone to three, four,
five non-religious Jews and say good
shabbat shalom. talk Yiddish kite, have
the family, don't talk business. And you
know what? It it it hit such a chord
with me. And I can tell you, my children
know, my wife knows, it's been at least
25 years. I don't think I missed a
Friday that I don't pick up the phone.
Some of my non-religious associates,
whether it's employees, whether it's
suppliers, whether it's distributors,
and I call them and say, "How you doing?
Have a good shab. Shabbat shalom." The
beginning they have a little surprise.
Nathan, it's 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
what do you want from me? I said, "No,
no, no, no. It's not a business call."
>> How many how many how many how many
people do you think are on that list
now?
>> So, the list is approximately 20 25
>> and I rotate. I don't call the same
person every Friday because then it's
then it's a given, then it's a typical,
oh, he did his mra, he called me. I I do
five one week, five, another week, 10,
another week, etc., etc. And you know
what's interesting, Knuck, I sent you
some pictures last night. Don't know if
you got it. Yeah, I saw those.
>> The impact it has,
>> the impact that this has, you know,
we're the biggest import of Israeli
wine. Besides having our own wineries,
we represent 38 wineries out of Israel.
And and most of the Israeli wineries,
while kosher, but the export managers or
the the directors are not necessarily
religious. And Israel, you would think
they all know Yiddishkai, but you know
what? from an American
businessman from normal telling one of
them, you know, when's the last time you
put on fill in? When was the last time
you did a half a Shabbat?
>> And suddenly it resonates with them. You
can't I you can't imagine how many
non-religious Israelis are putting on
fill in because of my craziness, because
of my outreach, because of my because
I'm not a kid professional. I'm just a
businessman trying to make Hashem happy
in many ways.
>> And and I get pictures from all of them
on a regular basis. And I said,
but I got to tell you one story that
happened two days ago.
>> And I wait before before you tell before
you tell me the story, I just have to
emphasize something that you just said
and we'll get to Rabbi Samson, of
course. Uh what you just said was you
said I think you said half of Shabas.
And the reason I wanted to go back to
that for a moment is because we can
encourage people to observe Shabas for
an hour or for the Friday night or for
as you just said half a shabas because
the goal of course is to get them to the
full 25 hours at some point. Please God.
But that's could be very intimidating
for people. So I want I want people to
realize I was you didn't misspeak. You
you meant it when you said it like that.
>> Yes. And I and I and I gave it a name
called the shab. the
>> you can't do the Shabbat. Do the Sha and
I got permission. I spoke to some very
special rabbis before I did it and they
said, "Yeah, of course." The guy does
six hour 10 hours. So, I have a bunch of
people. Wow.
>> And they openly tell me, "Nason, I'm
doing the shab." Which means they shut
their phone and television and car and
everything from sundown Friday till this
morning 10 11 12
>> uh for 12 to 14 hours. And they love it
because they realize suddenly because
we're so addicted to the stupid
smartphones and iPhones and and and and
Instagram and all this crazy stuff and
you can disconnect and connect with your
family and connect with Hashem. I have
two guys who started keeping kosher
Friday night. Friday night the meal is
kosher morning. I don't ask them what
they do.
>> They wouldn't dare eat tray Friday
night. I love that. Okay. Tell us the
story you wanted to tell us earlier.
>> Yes. I was talking to Itamar. great guy
who's the export manager of Barkan
Winery, one of the biggest wineries in
Israel. And uh and I about a few years
ago I asked him if he has fill in he
says no not really I don't know I
misplaced them from I it's so sad living
in Israel he had film but he misplaced
them. I said, "If I buy you fillin,
would you put them on twice a week?" He
says, "Bet."
>> Wow.
>> Anyways, I called him from the winery.
We bought a beautiful pair of fillain
and he bought a beautiful talit and a
talis bag with his name on it. And he
fell in love literally with the mitz
talit and fellin. So much so he sent me
a picture of you and says, "Mason, I'm
doing it twice a week, but I think you
want to start doing it every day." I
just I'm just loving the feeling. I say
Shima said, you know, they know
everything there, but they weren't
trained right the right way,
unfortunately. And so I spoke to him two
days ago, how you doing? How you keeping
up with them? He says, it's very sad,
you know, the missiles are falling and
and business out there. I took my kids
to uh to elaps for a few days just to
get away. And of course he tells me I
took along my chillin and you'll be
proud to know I'm doing it now together
with my two boys and mad but my son
suddenly started wearing a kipa says aba
I want to wear a kipa I want to become
closer to Hashem I was crying I was I
have to know this guy with tattoos and
everything and he says he says Nathan
look what an impact this is having my
wife my kids and this guy's going to be
religious no doubt in my mind goodness
shama he's putting up he's going to
start keeping Shabbat And and that's our
for clioul
hashem's children reach out to my
children who are so far we decide to
bring them back. Unbelievable. Yiki
Herzog's with us of course, President
Royal Wine, our good friend from Kedm.
And even though it's a week before Pesak
and we know what they're focused on when
it comes to uh uh the Sedar and Yantiff
today, we're focused on outreach and
what we could do as regular individual
business people or regular folks when it
comes to those we work with and comes
those to those we are related to and
comes to those we have encounters with.
Raim Samson's with us, founding director
of project inspire. Shai Samson, it
sounds like you deputize herogag. Is
that a good way of putting it?
>> I know. I mean, it's it's it's a
tremendous pleasure when I meet someone
like Rabio and he tells me that 20 years
ago he came to an event. We don't even
know anything about, you know, what he
did until he tells us many years later
that since that event, he's been calling
people eight people, you know, every of
sharas and the impact that he's had. And
that's really what Project Inspire is
all about. We're putting out the message
that everybody can make a difference,
every single person. And the the most
basic thing that you need in order to be
effective is you need to care. That's
all you need. You don't need to be the
career professional. You don't need to
know all the answers. You just say I
don't know but you do need to care
enough to think like Ravioi did which is
you know do I know son from people and
what can I do to reach out to them and
we'll give you the tools our whole
business is to empower people it's
inspire people even if you don't have
people that you know but we will set you
up with people who are not from so that
you can engage people and share the
beauty of Judaism with So really all you
need to do is say heni I'm here I'm care
we're going I care and we're going into
pes the whole idea of pes is we came we
went from being a family to being a
people an arm and once we're in it's zeb
we're all responsible for each other we
need to care about each other and that's
the Jewish people need I believe in this
time in this of history that if we care
about each other of course we got to
care each other's about each other's
physic icality but even more so the
kakoma their spirituality there are
brothers and sisters so everybody can
make a difference and yoki is a is a
beautiful example but there's so many
people I was on the phone last night
with
zman he met a guy on an airplane right
as as Rabbi Jacob Solomon is famous for
saying why did God create airplanes for
kur because you sit down to it next to a
guy and you're stuck with a guy. So this
guy
what else he gonna he was learning the
guy next to him or behind him you know
was kind of like looking at him you know
and he said what's that by the end of
the of of of the flight you know they've
decided they're going to learn together
the kava they've been learning I spoke
to this last night and he said he
doesn't know exactly what he's achieving
hopefully he'll get somewhere I said to
him tell me something do you think he's
he's become a mman you mean he said you
mean believe he believes in hashm and in
Torah he said of course I said rim do
you know what you've done with this guy
you've already turned him into a mining
you and as as as as as rii said and he
created the sh it's not all or nothing
anything you know and I said to him to
as well I said you you just even
learning I said you know the mitra of
tamatur is that a big one is just
learning everybody can do something like
that this they can sign up they can
learn one-on-one with someone they
become a mentor to one, we had a group
of people that we took to Israel on a
leadership trip. They came back, the
guys from Toronto set up a one-on-one
learning program with the village school
where they brought all the from people
to the non-f people that were there.
There was all of a sudden there's a
one-on-one learning program with 150
people in the room because these from
people decided it's my responsibility. I
can do something. We had guys from
Lakewood. They decided, okay, we're
going to do a shabaton. They got their
friends involved. We sent the YU
basketball team down there. You may have
seen we did a tishab film about them
about um Zebi Sam and his influence on
the Israelis who really don't you know
beautiful nomas but don't know so much
yiskai. We sent them down. It was a you
know amazing what that effect of just
opening your house herring saying I I
these are my brothers these are my
sisters let me just do her head with
them right from that shabaton there's
about 10 guys that start keeping shabas
right now it's it it's unbelievable what
can happen we had a guy on an Israel
trip that we went to the nova festival
there was a a beautiful sadic of a guy
not religious Orin who told us how he
was in a a nearby kibut and he came
across some people that were running
some girls that were running he thought
they were he thought they were drunk he
you know he took them into his car he
realized their lives were in danger he
took them back to his kibuts and then he
said have you got any friends that and
they said yes we do but how can you go
back you're risking his life he said
this non religious guy said other is
with me every non person deep had a pin
Yid that's connected to the Rabon.
Anyway, this guy went back. He saved
many lives. Yeah. But when we heard him
speak, one of our guys that was on the
bull, Shalam Brickman went over to him
and said, "Let me ask you a question.
You spoke so beautiful to me. Do you
live to Finn?" And the guy said, "You
know,
I do not. If I bought you a pair of
fill, would you wear it?" He said, "I
would be honored." He from that point
onwards his life was changed because one
person went over to him. We brought him
to our convention that we just had and
that Rabio spoke at at that convention.
We brought the guy whose life he saved
right when he was at the Nova festival.
He didn't know that was a prize. He we
brought Mayan out. They hugged. He said
on stage you saved my life. But Shawn
Brickman, who had his eye on the ball,
looked at this guy who was Mayan, a
completely non secular Israeli, and said
to him on the spot at our convention, if
you're, you know, if I bought you to
fill in, would you put it on? So he and
his brother who were both there a few
days later, we presented them with a
pyramid to fill in. Everybody can do
this. Everybody can make a difference.
Just have to say,
>> you know, and sign up. Go to
projectinsspire.com.
Sign up and we will help you get
involved in any way which way whether
it's mentoring whether it's learning
whether it's hosting whether we have we
have a sign up over there you can sign
up whatever it is
>> project inspire.com
Samson is with us founding director of
project inspire very happy that he
mentioned NCAA champion Zevy Samut in
this conversation who's also a great
example of what we're talking about and
I don't remember who it was I don't know
if it maybe it Jacob Solomon or somebody
else at that time when we spoke about
project inspire years ago
and the major uh I don't want to say
China but the major topic that came up
in that conversation
was that uh most people feel too
intimidated to bring up these topics or
these suggestions with people they work
with or are related to. you know, they
they they they feel they're imposing on
on the lives of those who are around
them and they think it's gonna it'll
likely backfire. Rabbi Samson, this
can't be the first time you have been
presented with this issue. What answer
do you give people who have this type of
hesitation,
>> right? The most the most important thing
is see 95% of outreach is caring.
They're called God borra. You don't have
to try to make the guy fum. You just
have to care about him. Let me just give
you an example. When I when the last
time my rebi
of blessed memory spoke in poseic couple
hundred people came and there was a
question and answer session and somebody
asked him at the end he said when I'm
when I'm have people for shabas should I
you know go through hashkas and proofs
and you know should I do that? So R
leaned over, looked him in the side eye
and said, "Tell me something. You want
him to come back."
>> Meaning like, "No, if you're gonna do
that, you scare the guy away." That's
great.
>> People think means means number one, I
need to have all the answers. You don't
you if you say, "I don't know." They
feel you're being authentic. You can
even turn that into your advantage. Say,
"I don't know the answer to your
question, but let me get back to you or
let me speak to a rabbi or let's speak
to a rabbi to get." You don't have to
know. They they love that you're not
teaching, you're sharing what you know,
right? That's number one. But two is
that it's in the relationship. So don't
try too hard to make them from Hashem
will take just develop a relationship.
If you become their you know in this
generation where people are so busy with
their phones, they have not who listens
to someone nowadays, right? Who who you
know? So if you just take an interest
and really do a
properly care about them, get to know
them, then they'll and you become a
friend, then they'll be open to who you
are and what you have to re and what you
represent.
>> I like that. I like that a lot that do
your part. Do what you can and the one
above will take care of the rest.
Because folks, we do have to remember he
does come through for us, doesn't he?
every single day Samson's with us
Herzog's with us part of our initiative
but obviously a little bit of a
different angle. Uh now it's a week
before the seder. Uh there'll be people
that in your lives, friends, relatives,
business associates that you may want to
use the opportunity prees, whether it's
to invite to the seder, bring them
matzas or send them a case of wine,
whatever the case may be to bring them a
little bit closer closer and and allow
them uh to enjoy our amazing tradition
um in an intim unintimidating fashion.
One must not fear the um uh the prospect
of actually approaching somebody in our
community with these types of gestures.
Jaki Herzog, what do you have to say
about the intimidation that someone
sometimes feels, the hesitation rather
that people sometimes feel to do what
you've been doing?
>> So my my answer is very simple. I'm
doing it for over 20 years. Never ever
did I come across someone who said, "No,
Nathan, I'm intimidated. I can't do it."
You'd be surprised. You peel the onion a
little bit and it just pops out. You
know, I want to add what he said about
the Shabas table. So many years ago, we
had one of the wealthiest people in the
wine and liquor industry. I don't want
to mention his name, but I'm talking
wealth beyond beyond beyond. He's one of
the biggest distributors in the world.
and and he was one of my shabest calls
and I do business with him but it's a I
do very little compared to what he does
billions and and I called him the other
day was random and I said Wayne would
you consider coming Shabbat to my house
with my with your wife and he said um
yeah yeah sure why not why not you and I
kept on reminding him when you want to
want to see your Shabbat long story
short a few months later he text me the
daughter was in college somewhere in New
York and said I'm going to be in New
York for for the weekend. Is it okay if
we come on a Friday night and uh and we
leave after the meal shabas morning? I
check with a rabbi said as long as you
don't drive you I have a place for you.
I check what I have you can stay here
what what you do on your own whatever
you do whatever everybody should check
with the local raim
him and his wife came and when he walked
into the house says Mason I'm empty I'm
clean I left all my money and phone
everything in the car he knew he knew
that much and and I took him to the
waxman's shoe you know the famous the
flying waxman I told him that I'm
bringing in this guy and he should
please he always speaks great but don't
throw in any words got to be a real
English speech Anyways, he spoke 15
minutes like he always does and Wayne
was blown away and and you know Friday
night everybody's come first time
through experience and everybody's
coming over from what's he like what
what's going on here it's like a
convention I said no this is a typical
Friday night you get together go to
synagogue have a good time you meet up
and you see a guest you say hello to him
and then my wife to be honest was a
little intimidated I'm bringing this
fancy wow couples everything And I told
the Siri, don't make nothing fancy. Just
a good old Hey, Mr. Shab chicken soup
and fresh salad and everything. They
were here by the suda. I had my son, you
know, and my son-in-law Ari here and we
were singing and a kumit and no no big
black players, no, just a regular Friday
night suda. The middle of the suda, he
he starts to cry. Literally just crying
from the emotions and the warm. His wife
turns to him. He says, "Wayne, what's
what what's this that I'm seeing here?"
He says, "None of your business. You go
talk to her ladies. I'm connecting. I'm
connecting." And and uh and then she
gets emotional because my wife explained
to her the beauty of the Friday night,
the candles and the meal, everything.
Anyway, after a three-hour suda, they
both turn around to us and say, "You
know, we have three beautiful kids. We
brought them up Jewish and we showed
them, but we did one big mistake in our
lives. every Sunday night we get
together for family dinner instead of
doing it Friday night instead of having
this experience. And I told him, Wayne,
it's not too late. Not too late. They
weren't married yet at the time. Fast
forward, they now get together almost
every Friday night. She lights candles
every Friday night. I send him packs
and I send him a bear. I send him a
manora with a nice description what it's
all about. He has three children, all
married Jews. All married Jews. And I
wax I think part of it is your credit
because you show him he's not religious
yet, but he knows Friday night. He goes
to shul once in a while.
>> Unbelievable.
>> He's talked to Kabad. He's giving a lot
of charity not only to museums and
hospitals, giving charity to yeshivas
and seduckers because he realized the
beauty of Torah. I talk to Rabbi Waxman
every once in a while and and and just
by and he's a customer of mine. He's a
customer of mine and it can be very
intimidating but I I figured hello what
can the words you can ask. He'll say no
I'm not interested in fill in Shabbat.
>> Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. Rabbi
Samson you get the final word. Uh people
can go to the website as you said
project inspire.com and especially this
time of year a week to go before the
seder. What do you want to tell this
audience?
Yeah. Well, listen, just to continue
with your point that people do need to
feel a sense of acarayas. It's these are
my brothers and I have such the Torah.
It's so beautiful. We we go to the night
and we appreciating what we have so
much. The Ram says in in the mitzvah of
a hashem that if you love something,
share it. that Abraham oh was my beloved
because he shared the Torah with
everybody that he met and that's because
he loved Hashem and this is a time this
son of a time of of Ava we read Shirim
now is the time that we should share the
beauty of what we have don't keep it to
yourself share it with others and
there's so many people Yoki did it you
know Yi is a talented guy but you know
we had from our convention aided a
couple the crashes who heard what Yi is
doing we got a message a couple of days
later on Ersha said we just reached out
to our eight non from friends because we
learned from Yok and these are couple
who through project inspire they're
doing that they they theyms themselves
went to Boston University to meet with
the students there they had shabaton
back in Burough Park you know there's so
many ways you know that you can reach
out and if you're intimidated by that
then don't worry we'll bring them to you
just sign up at projectinsspire.com. But
you know, I give you Zebie Silverstein
who's been part of our he had a worker
who who he was trying to get to come to
Mina. He wouldn't come. He said it's a
famous story. I don't know if you heard
about it or not.
>> Yeah, we we just can't we can't we can't
tell every story. So go ahead, finish
this one.
>> Okay, I'll finish this one. But he he
said to he said, "How do I get this guy
to to to come to me?" He said, "You know
what? If I I'll make a deal with you. If
I stop smoking and he I think he was
smoking two packs a day. Yeah. Will you
make a commitment to keep put on to to
come and put on to fill and the guy
agreed and you know so so but it's just
because Zie paired and his wife is
running all kinds of programs in for us
in in Lakewood because she we're
bringing them to her and she's taking
around and people are moved. If you're
sincere, you're authentic, you care, you
just have to try. Reach out, be part of
it. Go to projectinsspire.com,
sign up and let's and the source of this
we should see the gula shalma bakaro.
>> Amen. Rabbim Samson, founding director
of project inspire herog, president Ketm
wine, Royal Wine Corporation. Yay. The
final word before wishing everybody
kosher. What do you want to tell us?
>> I want to make an appeal. Not for money.
I want to make an appeal. You have
whatever 30 40 50,000 listeners. I want
everyone everyone starting this Friday
pick up the phone to three people.
Imagine if 50,000 yidden men, women,
young, old pick up the phone to a
non-religious neighbor or a friend or an
old friend and and think of Shabas and
say Passover's coming, just missing you,
thinking of you. Imagine what impact 11
shine that we reached 150,000
non-affiliated Eden and told them about
Shabas and told them about it such as
for the Eden as this royal who needs
this for your own family. And like
Robbie Stson said, this will come with
cor.
>> Oh man. Um,
yeah, I'm not I mean, you know,
obviously a week before Yontiff uh
having you on the air, we would say
something about the world of kosher
wine, but all I'll say is that a lot of
people will be enjoying what your
company does all through the amazing
week of PES. And uh for that uh we are
um very grateful and wishing you a to
you and the entire company and of course
your entire family.
>> Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you
in the am
Samson. You know the me. You know the
message folks. You know the message. You
want help with the message.
projectinspire.com
projectinspire.com.
Come.