CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 8 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. You guys can continue doing that. Whatever you need to do, we're holding on the bottom of the B. We started the that if a has the wrong during the during the four of the mikdash the four main ones he thought about a different carbon that's called then the carbon is okay you keep on bringing it the guy the person bringing has to bring another one but you could continue with that carbon besides two. It's two that you don't continue anything. You made one mistake. You messed up. You toss it and carbon pes. So yesterday we learned all about a pes. How do we know pes? Now today we're going to discuss how do you know that if you mess up on the you can't use it any longer. This is referring to shininoes. So today we're going to be discussing a number of things. You have to know these two things in you also have to know that the isitzvah you have to think about the but how do you know that you have to toss it? Those are two separate things. You can't jump straight to tossing. First you have to know about that mitzvah the mitzvah is to have just like every other carbon it's a mitzvah to think of when you make a whatever it is you have to think about I'm doing if you don't >> so you messed up on the mitzvah and you continue going but there still is a mitzvah so we're going to have to do step one find a pok or a source for the mitzvah part once we know that then we can go on to the second you can't jump straight and say hey you have to toss it into the garbage first you have to know that there's a mitzvah then you say Okay, it's that we call. So, we're going to need two sources for and two sources. So, first of all, we're starting slow. It says in terms of the part when you think about you have to think that it's only you can't think now I'm doing. So this is actually a easier D liim but easy and a lot of stuff we saw already and we're going to even have a clop cloud that we had literally word for word very short and it goes very nicely with the with the chart you all remember the chart if not you'll see it again you'll remember so we want to find the the and so we're not going to But that's included in says we'll see in a second. How do you know you have to have the by the receiving of the blood in that vessel? So this again is when he takes the receives the blood he cannot be thinking about another carbon other than the word is extra means to receive. So we know that you have to have. So now we have two two out of the three. How do I know they have to throw the blood with the intent of a and not for let's say what does mean? So this is very important to drill at home. How do you get the kap? Why did you bring a katas? Because you sinned. You did an a bring a katas. Where do you get the kapar says? So that we're gonna say over and over the whole is the number one out of all the four. Number one is what's the last and the least important one because you don't even need it sometimes. If you're very close, you don't even need it. now says I don't I'm not going to look for a source for the for the why not because it's not important that shows that there's actually it's not that it's within okay says the what do we learn this is which is theap which is the forgiveness part that has to be with the intent says so we just established that you cannot think about another carbon how do you know they can't think the can't think that I'm doing I'm thinking instead of thinking that Ruben is going to get I think to myself is going to get how do I know they can't do that all love on him can't think about your friend oh so now we establishes we established bum What we don't have is the source that you have to toss it out. You know, you have to think about it. It's a good thing to think about. It's a mitzvah. But what if I don't think about it? Maybe it should be like aim. If I don't think about the schlim, I think to myself, it's a I think to myself, it's a I didn't ruin it. I don't have to throw it into the garbage. I could continue bringing it as a carba. Yesterday, we even had we had the first daff but yesterday on top of Ze. >> It doesn't make any sense. Just because you messed up once doesn't make sense that you should continue messing up. You messed up. Okay. You do you look forward you go. Not by how do you know that by you have to throw it out into garbage. I say garbage. I mean what burn. So that's we're going to have soon in a few minutes. It says by nazer a nuz brings three types of one of them is a is what's a nazer a person who said he's going to refrain from drinking wine and then eating grapes when he's done with his whatever period is the typical period is 30 days it's a whole process has to go through and one of the things is has to bring three kurbanas a katas now it's a little bit different than a regular katas we're talking about a katas that you bring because didn't have a nazer didn't really do a he brings it as not as a kapara but as a as a way to get out of his part of the procedure just like he cuts his hair off and puts it under the pot and boils and this it's a whole thing. One of the things he does is he brings in says we use that extrav tell us that it's you have to throw it out. The whole top line is the mitzvah part. the it's a good thing. It's a very good idea to think about what carbon you're bringing. And then if you go down to the we only have the last I figured out that it's a mitzvah. Think about it. Not only that, if you don't think about it gone, there's no there's no hope for this. How do I know? Let's go slow. The whole top line that it's you see it's red question marks. I don't know. I don't have a source that you cannot continue if you messed up. Maybe it's like they can continue then go to the bottom part means anything other than I have zero over there. Sovah I'm missing it all. Oh I could I could learn a regular a regular for every single from a this is our he has to bring three types of so I'm going to learn from the this brings us everything has to be with the right now let's think about it for a second if we have another that tells us that you must think about the right carbon what is it telling us is it telling us they have to think about it and it's a mitzvah to think about it or it's telling us that it's you throw them into the garbage >> what is it telling else. >> Why? >> Because we already have the >> Oh, we already have all this the mitzvah part we took care of on top. So if I introduce another P that tells you that you have to think about the right carbon, it obviously doesn't go to tell me a mitzvah. I already have that. So what is it going to tell me? Boom. It has to tell me that is an extra I have nothing to do with it for the mitzvah. I don't need it. I already have three. Oh, so if we go back to this. So we we just got a on the top but we're still missing four boxes. What do we do? So Rashi takes out these lines over here. So we mentioned them before this is what it comes and then comes Rash says well that's not even enough so let's see Rashi says you could even remember now the brings it but we'll say it again it says in the same prave it should And then makes this little jump over here. And now we have to also introduce the part. It's like there's a difference between and all the other three between. So we have everything. So we learn from there's no difference between all there's no difference between okay says the mascul but wait a minute that same that you brought extra v in the word it says another word there. So why don't you learn the should say from the same that you had before it's in the same even. My the next it says what I do with the what I do my yeah it's good cash and I have every v I'm going to do something with it it's beautiful every five minutes we have another we never knew of we never heard of when you bring a to the mikdash with together with the carba musv You bring a carbon mus, it comes together. We never knew this. Who knows? Some people very few of us, 10% of us know this. When you bring a carbon mus in the mdash, a carbon mus for great, you have to you have to accompany it with a this has a different the wine that you bring with it. And the you bring with it this flower whatever it is that comes together with the carbon could bring it at night even the next day. Okay. You got you got one of the What are you going to do with the of the and have a problem? You're learning a regular guy. You're going to learn it from what? From a nazer. How can you learn one from the others brings different carbonas or bring different carbonas more than one but a regular shabas brings one. So since the mats is is is to bring more you can't learn something that's easy from something that's more something that's light to something that's heavy something that's so you can't go the reverse either says you can't go the other way around you can't learn anything from is a did I say no okay wrong one sorry >> where am I yeah here sorry my I was wondering why there's birds over there. Okay. Okay. Similar similar thing. This way you can't learn because it has more carbonas. This way you can't learn because it has cars. Okay. Forget the Naz. We're not going to learn from his. There's another. Luckily, we have a a person who has Saras on his hand. He has to go through a serious procedure. We saw the whole we saw some of some of it. the oil and the blood and the this and the that and he brings us one of them is a so just like his needs it's we're going to learn also well we're going to learn everybody from him we'll see exactly but also this is going to teach us where ines we're still looking for a little bit of she call us the eyes We already have it. We already know about We already know a regular carbon. We have all the three in the top. So now you give me another puzzle. I'm I'm going to learn from it. Okay. So you you taught me how do I know the the other shinu when a person when the kayen thinks about another another human being not another carbon he's thinking that the kapar should be instead of it should be for and I'm just going to kazer over so we get it good I could get it that the shino is only when he does or if If he does and he's thinking about the but is about [Music] he's doing aapor for the person that gets the teaches us about you should not do you shouldn't think about somebody else you cannot learn a regular a regular all the of the world. Why not? Because it has other you can't go the reverse. If you want to go the other way, you can't learn from didn't do anything wrong really. He spoke, but he's not getting the reason why he brings is to him to get him back into the community so he could come and he's not to anymore. It's not for for the kapar part. So maybe you can't learn from a regular. Oh sorry says the very very good. So what do we have now here? We have a we said we can't learn a from a we also said we can't learn from a you know what if we combine if we can't combine all three together each one has a a positive each one has a negative but at the end of the day you put them together and we can find we could we could come up with something common and learn all that we need to learn why if the teaches us that you need by but at the end of the day I don't need the to tell us all three I could the could have done away with only two and the yet said a third one so that third one is extra to learn the I can take two and learn the third one from the two why does the have to repeat itself three times the third time is to give us that extra oomph that if you mess up throw into the garbage That's why I need the third one. So that's all the Gar is going to try to do now is see if I can learn one from two. If I can learn one from two. So that one that I can learn from, I don't need him. Why did the say it said it to teach us? Which one do you want to get rid of? Which one shouldn't the said it? Okay, here we go. These guys are going to stay in the same place. The entire chart, it's very simple. But the the Gumar is saying don't say on the left don't say the I don't need it. I'm going to learn a regular katas combination of and what are you going to say the has something special the doesn't have that something special has something special the bottom line is they need the and if they need the so why do I have to say I can learn from them no I cannot learn from or because they have one thing in common that the doesn't have and that is they have extra konas Learn from other okay so let's do this don't say anything the should be quiet not say concept of and I learned the from the boy said this what did you guys do before davening and in the beginning of the year. That's a sha means I could go to the rabbi and I could say, "Rabbi, I made a mistake. I didn't realize what it means not to drink wine. I can't make kdesh. Can't make I'm making a pomegranate grape juice. I need to get out of this." So, so you cannot learn from these two cuz these two guys have something special that doesn't have. What are we left with? M. Don't say it by don't say learn the from the and if that's the case then I have an extra puzz to teach us what you cannot learn out from because they do not have if you're poor you're stuck it doesn't matter if you're and you're poor you have to bring the carbonas of a poor person what's just one carbon You don't get a special dispensation. Oh, you poor. You can bring a flower. You can bring birds if you don't have if you don't have the money. This is Simon's favorite of the being on the mitzvah. You learn from the like we saw in before there's no difference between you need for the mitzvah. What what happened? Let's think about it. Before we had all theseim here all these on top what did it teach us all to teach us what mitzvah now the is going to say no all the mitzvah I learned from from all these are extra what do they teach us now the mitzvah part is is already learned from from Therefore, I learned mitzvah from these three over here to teach us. Very good. I just learned the regular every normal of eating fat. the Gar brings now four that are depending on how wealthy you are. That's what kind of carbon you bring. So because you it's there's a scale here. So you can't really learn these these particular ones that you know certain testimony you don't want to say it and and swearing falsely on the past and the future. It doesn't say that that you need by all these four says first of all let's get rid of one from why you learn cars from it's the same you do you get cars you do you get cars and the rest we're going to learn from these three we're going to learn from the other three that we discussed in the beginning of this year the just what you're going to tell me is different it has kus the the only one of the top three which is actually four was that has we got rid of that already doesn't have kus so maybe I shouldn't be able to learn from oh that's why I have the but those are also different why because they have a lot of kbanas but the doesn't have a lot of kurbanas the kits are from the bottom three I can learn the top three the [Music] When you bring a carbon pes on and you have in mind that's forbure obviously on that's the first mission if you think in your mind that this is not a carbon the thinks that this is an he ruins it you have to burn But the rest of the year, meaning before you do it, now it's the reverse. If you have in mind that this is PES on you, you make it possible. But if not, if you don't make it, if you don't think about a carbon pes, you think about something else, then it's kosher. How do I know that? If a if you make a a carbon p before it becomes something that comes from the sheep from the from the flock. It should be what if he thought about a different not he thought about maybe it shouldn't become any carbon that you think of it is going to become says maybe like you go it should be says if the word is first great you do you think about it turns into anything that you have in mind I don't care what carbon you think it turns into very simple the says four carbon look how many carbonas there it's a generalization but then the says it's a specification. So what happens when you have a generalization specification and you don't continue on to another generalization you just have a cl and a prat. So the prat actually explains what I meant in the cl I was general I I did generalize but I'm telling you now it's very specific. It's just a schlam. If I were to add another cl, then I open it up again. Then I say it's very generalized. It's all carbonas. But the prat teaches us that has to be similar. They have to have a certain thing in common to the schlaman. But it's way more than just the it's a lot of kurbanas. And at this point the gmor we only have two things. We have a cl and a pratt. And the Gar explains you don't have to even it says when you have those two things only the the whole generalization is nothing but the specification it is the specification teaches us what the cl is and what is that the says only it said very general no it's only the buti Mish had the same words even was different but the same thing comes to include all carbanas. So I have a cloud which is actually going to explain and therefore I open it up to more we have the same question also there what's the connection you have to have the two generalizations should be very similar to each other in the first one is a certain type of when it talks about toe called anything that goes to Hashem You see here he added birds here and even bread. Oh, we have the same ter that what learned such a it doesn't have to be the same generalization. It could be similar. So what? So now I have it. It's similar to if you do it without the right intent. It's good. But the islima something that you bring when you when you when you promise it you you want to beite. do the hope that we had and therefore what it's going to exclude is from my goodwill but not you have to bring when you eat something you have to bring it says you're right I'm not learning a cl I'm learning a and tells me all the I'm not going with the CL brother CL anymore allas without the yeah without the right are have a wonderful day and have a good [Music] >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor Ashir today mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com