CHAZARAH - Zevachim Daf 13 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Welcome. Welcome to all the guests. Familiar stuff. Familiar stuff. If you carbon that's the first that those two are the exception to the rule if you have you think about another carbon while you'reing the carbon during the and here the Mishna adds if you did the other three which is receiving the dominant and you walk it over to the vizarak and you throw it onto you had intent for another carbon. Even if you started out on the right foot but you messed up in middle you start off wrong and then the chuva and you went to it's too late once you go even afterwards or certainly in the beginning you start off apostle what do you do with it? Got to destroy it. What's a good case? He started off with the right then he he turned all of a sudden he switched it up the he went to what's the case you start off terribly you have a carbon you start off on the wrong foot and then it's a too late possible the carbon is possible with the four and that we're going to see later a little bit Four. Yeah. Kind of repeats itself. You can pass during any one of the four. We had this. We're familiar with this. He says, "No, one out of the four is walking it." He says, "You need a animal. You need to receive the blood. You need to throw the blood on." But you don't have to walk. What if you right next to them? So therefore, it's not a necessary. And therefore, since it's not necessary, if you mess up with your thoughts during the it doesn't ruin it. If he's actually he needs to walk. Why? Because far away from you must walk then the during the you have the wrong thought you but if it's in a situation where you don't have to walk you're right next to them you decided to walk whatever it is that's not that says the vik When you receive the blood inside a vessel, could you have intent that it's not aim that it's not a carbon pes it's aim so we have in this we already saw this now we're going to learn it's slightly different than we learned before we have two words here and so the word vo cannot mean zria you could want you want to say vriv means Great. But in the same poss so it can't be the same word. So what could it be? It must be the step before. What's before is either oral is not that important. We said so let's stick with perhaps means to to make the blood go closer to the and how do you do that? Through throwing it. already says it cannot be great. That's so what do you see? What do you see that is what is essential? It must be done through a cayenne with a clicharis. What's cliches? Cliches doesn't mean the cliches that we typically talk about. It's talking about the clothing of the he has to be wearing the the clothing. I learned from another place. It says over there talking about that's and he's wearing his clothing is wearing the the big day. It's a very very strong lion of I will bury my sons says it a few times in sh why why is he so upset I wish I remembered I know I learned once the differences between receiving the blood and throwing the blood the differences I wish I knew the differences can't believe I can't remember it some sort of not that he's cursing his sons but if I haven't heard this which I did my son should be buried so retirement is very upset he can't remember the differences between kabal and all my says what's the problem let me figure it out for you not I'm going to say over what I heard from my rebi could I could deduce this on my own I could figure this out number one So this is where we're trying to get to from the beginning of the and this is the line that through you cannot ruin you can't have a that ruins you can't think to yourself this is not a carbon pes this is a schlam and that's what the gumar started off right the where it says gimar the first words could a person have bad intent during the receiving of the blood. Here it is. Finally, we get to to the not like an act. You cannot have a thought, oh this is instead of pes and ruin the carbon pes not for pag and not for nothing. not during we're gonna see. So difference number one there's a huge difference during this I could have the wrong intent and ruin my ka during receiving the blood right after this into the I can't have the wrong intent another and these are all well at least these coming up if you were to receive the blood of a carbon outside of let's say you brought some blood home to and you decide to throw it outside on your on your wall in you get for doing outside that's number two if let's say a person decides to receive the blood you don't get you don't get but if the why Rashi says because it has to be an that's the end of the no The last one, what's the last one? So therefore, if a guy, he's drunk and he goes to mdash and he does this. So those are the three differences. You can imagine how happy was he swears. Now you just see how important was to him. How these he was so frustrated that he doesn't remember. He says, "Oh, I swear that you didn't veer right or left. It's exactly what my Rebi told me. I heard it and I unfortunately forgot it. You know how to come up with this on your own and you It's amazing. Yeah, was the greatest tanner on his own. All three boom boom boom exactly like he heard it says exactly in this language. It's interesting. He should have said no with these words. Anybody that separates from you is separating from his life. Okay. So what do we have? We have a problem here. when he receives the bl the blood could you have the wrong thought there or not which one is it [Music] when you have the thought of pagle that then it's not possible in other words what's pagle pigle is I'm thinking in my mind here as he's performing one of the he thinks in his mind that he is going to consume this animal whether it's eating it physically or putting the blood on the mak he's going to do that beyond the permitted time typically speaking you have to eat the carbon within 2 days he's thinking about eating in 3 4 days from now this has to be today he's thinking about doing this tomorrow so when he has a thought like that of pagle during the cabala that it doesn't make the carbon puzzle but when he as of that this is not a carbon pes this is a that ruins the carbon that's today's really we're going to see what's going on here our first Mishna says that the carbon became ple what it really should say maybe if you have the wrong thought it becomes pigled a thought of pigle no we're only talking about the thought of ruining the carbon withma not a a thought of pigle who is I don't understand something you can't have a thought that you're going to consume this animal as as you're receiving the blood in a vessel you can't think that that you're going to you're going to consume it in six days from now that's not pigle and if somebody eats it I would think that his his bad thought of pigle is during the throwing of the blood on the main. How do I know the other two things? And one of them is and all these you can have the maybe I'll think let me show you this. The new technology is just unbelievable. The leftover blood goes in one of those holes on the of the it's called the the bottom part. There's like a step on the bottom. That's where it goes in. And is where you bring the parts of whatever the parts go on. Certain certain for instance the whole thing goes up onto you have to take it bring it up the ramp put it on the fire. So certain parts go on certain parts you eat. So that's also eating in a way, right? You're pouring the blood on the on the So how do I know? Maybe maybe these are also considered. Yeah, it's not one of the four, but it's pouring the blood. It's putting the food on top of the Take a look over here. We're going to see this P tomorrow also. This is the pos of pigle. Are you allowed to eat it on on the third day after? Absolutely not. There is no carbon like that. Some carbon it's only one day some two days but is for sure it's already too late and then it says the word. So why does the pick so to speak on the word on on the concept of to make to say these are similar it's one of the four but if you don't do you don't get aap so too all avoid they have to those that if you don't do them there's no guess whatap if you don't put the the the the flesh on top of them or you don't pour the the the blood in the in that place over there you still get a kapar the kapar is right after the dudiml there are two conditions when it comes to pigle again what's pigle pigle is as the ken is performing das He thinks in his mind I am going to take this meat home and eat it in a barbecue that I'm doing onus that's that's for sure or another thought I am going to throw the blood of this carbon tomorrow not today so there's two conditions first of all okay I'm not going to tell you this other thing we'll wait later there's two conditions number One, it needs to be done with one of the four. That's what we just discussed. It can't be. It can't be one of the four main. That's condition number one. Condition number two is it must be a thought of okay. What is he thinking that he's going to do in 3 days? Something that has to do with cons consumption. consuming it either physically eating the steak or pouring the blood on the misb which is the is eating the blood. It's like giving the blood to the okay so here are all the things that you could think about. We just mentioned but guess what? You cannot do it during but you could think about because that's a type of consumption. We just spoke about that it doesn't apply in no no it it has to happen when during the one of the four in in condition number one but you could think about during you think about I am going to do tomorrow and that's or I am going to eat the meat tomorrow knowing that let's take a look at this I am doing and I think to myself. I'm going to do the cabala tomorrow. Is that pigle or not pigle? The answer is you're right. It's not pigle. Why is it not pigle? Condition number one we met. What's condition number one? >> That's during it's one of the four. What was his thought? His thought was about I'm going to do kabala tomorrow. Let's see if that fits into this list over here in condition number two. Does anybody see kabala over there? No. Why don't you see kabala there? Because kabala is not a type of eating. Kabala is nothing. It is not eating. It's receiving the food on your tray. Is to feed them is eating. Okay. So, we did that one. What about this one right over here during which is not eating. He's thinking about pouring this on tomorrow. Is this is this pigle or not pigle ra? >> Why? because it meets condition number one that it's during cabala and it meets condition number two that it's analdic another one more case in middle while he's pouring the on he's thinking that he's going to do um he's going to be he's not he's going to he's going to do the murim tomorrow is that is that peel >> no why the the is not one of the four avoid okay now that we know all this now it's very posit when he says I'm going to do which is condition number one is good he missed condition number two because is not one of the conditions it's not and therefore doesn't puzzle. Oh, you're asking me a contradiction. But listen what the Gar is doing here. They're both of them have the Saddam. One of them is in the second condition and one of them the Saddam is in the first condition. So when Saddam is in the second condition, you don't do the condition. The condition is that has to be is not. So So what if you mention the wordab there? Oh, over here the second one is that is one of the first that's the condition number one that's one of the four and over here you also condition number two is which is I don't understand something you just told me that the last two things pouring the blood on the bottom of the and then bringing up the meat to the over there you cannot think about we learned I would think that it's only thinking about eating meat that's also considered like a eating why does the say twice there's two types of eating and this this explains everything that we discussed for a few days already. Two, what does it mean? Two types of eating. There's a human consumption eating steak, having a barbecue. We'll see that throughout there's something called that the eats. Eat. We had it. We had the other day like you give it, >> huh? Remember the guy pushing the desserts up to we're feeding the he's eating >> so to speak like giving the food. That's maybe a little too much. Fine. So you seen the positive. Oh, it's a problem. You're saying that what that even and is is considered when is apostle? He's doing a and he's doing it in order to do the tomorrow which is but if he's doing the not that's not a problem I you know because of all these and this and that every time I say the word I want to start singing you could sing it if you one. Oh, what's here? We go here. This is inside the even in the the go. But inside the you go in there. Once you go in there, you're not you're not throwing the blood like you typically do with the cle the sticks his finger into the cle with like we just saw and and does. Okay, that that thing. So the question is is sticking his finger into the blood is it one of the for that that's the way to do it. So if it is an I could think a bad thought in my mind I could say this is not a this is a and I ruin it throw it in the garbage start all over again. So says that's one of the twins. Yeah, twins. You could think of in your mind while he's doing sticking his finger into the blood because that's one of the heard this he both of them are and he said, "Oh, you heard what he said. Wait a minute. Where do you the whole idea of people we learn from but there is no sticking your finger in blood when it comes to is regular you take the blood and toss it can't be says new learning new every day introducing introduction to to pigle is super sensitive that's what you need to remember it's very very sensitive the only way pagle works is if it's by itself once you he's a loner. Piggle is a loner. If you introduce any other thought to the pigle thought, it's not piggle. Okay? It has to be its own thought. So if you're in the middle of doing I don't know you're you're middle of doing a katas and as you're doing the kaz you think to yourself, oh I'm going to I'm going to eat this the steak of this katas in six days from now. That's pigle. And at the same time, you think to yourself, I'm going to also make this not it's not pigle. Why? Because he had two bad thoughts. Two bad thoughts is zero thoughts. So says the So is it considered a second thought? I'm I'm doing I'm bringing I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to eat next year. I'm putting in the freezer now. I'm going to eat it in a year. That's pigle. at the same time is thinking it's not it's a is a pigle or not pigle if you have two bad thoughts it's zero no pigle so if you're doing and you're thinking about pigle but also that it's not a it's a carbon it doesn't ruin it 100% you have to bring another carbon it doesn't ruin continue bring so tell me if I'm going to learn from so learn the same thing by that what that a person brought and he's himself pigle plus that it's not a it's a carbon. So so wait it the the bad thought is not a bad thought because is not a bad thought. So you're going to tell me this this bad thought is not a bad enough thought to make it out of course it's a bad thought >> for it is bad >> for it is a bad thought but if I'm going to learn from it has to be exactly the same and for it's not a bad thought so it won't be a bad thought for for so what if it for that's that that's exactly the question for is a bad thought it can't be that that's the answer >> we know it is >> and we know it is it can't be we know it is it's the same thing right so we got to do something else You know, we're not going to learn this idea of pigle from we're going to learn from some some other okay I heard in this if I stick my finger into the blood and I think a bad thought of people it's going to ruin the carbon. Why? Because sticking my finger in the blood is actually one of the Let's keep on going. And the same question. Same question. How's it possible? I the only way I know is from if I'm learning from there is no such thing as as you think you're learning every single we just said if you have the the thought of bringing another carbon it doesn't it doesn't ruin the pigle continues so Do we learn from the idea of the wrong thought of eating the steak outside makes and the same thing that basically similar thinking about the wrong thought by think that it's a something else what do you put here that's so if you have two thoughts Two bad thoughts. It's not even what's the difference. This thought that thought that the idea is a bad thought. A bad thought by it's not it's not a real pigle because you have to have a pure thought of pagle. So too a bad thought by Okay. So it's a different bad thought. It's the the thought that I'm going to that it's not it's called not but it's a bad thought and therefore it's not but the answer is right there on the side. when you're talking about [Music] every carbon in the world if you think about that I'm going to eat it outside of the the right place that that makes it possible but is different why there's only two and we saw one says three or but the point is most don't have this problem So what are you going to say? [Music] If you think about ava that that passes it, then that added makava, it's the second makes pigle go away because pigle has to be by itself. And and if you do something that that uh it's one of the four you need the four that also that brings it to we're talking about here. What what what is if you don't do it it's no good. If you don't do it's not good. So you could do pigle during that time. A person does puts his fingers into the flower goes like this and he thinks during that that uh this is going to I'm I'm bringing I'm bringing this tomorrow onto the pagle puts it into the vessel into the second and he brings it to all. So this we had the rash the other day right when you go like that that resembles that that that corresponds is the word corresponds to when you walk the all the way to that's like doing it with the blood when you throw this flower onto the what what is it when you take this and put it into a vessel it's like receiving the bloodi Well, what what connection is it? The blood sprays out of the neck and you just have to stand there over here. You have to put it in. What's the It's much like we were just saying but with if you don't do it then you since you need it needs to get done then it's considered that they could have a bad thought in there so too by the by the by the finger since if you don't put the the doesn't put his finger into the blood he's not going to be therefore it's like it's one of the and that that's the secret theor want to say that says was like one of is called stamina when you get the put it into the vessel it's similar to receiving of the blood like we said before the question was but but he's not doing it by he's doing it by himself there's human intervention by the other one but the blood is spraying out he's just holding the k there says what's the difference at the end of the day you got to put in the cle what's the difference as if he did it himself or it happened by itself. Have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdyop.com.