CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 88 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Says the Hellenic Mishna. There's seven measurements for liquids in the base of the Mishna. We just finished talking about the two or three measurements for solids, for flour. Now we're talking about the different measurements for liquids. The Mishna is going to tell us what you need each and every one. Hin. So we start off, the Tana starts off with the largest one. Hin. So hin, according to the Mishna, hin is about 7 L. So that's the here it is. You have the hin, which is 7 L, and it goes all the way down to a quarter of a log, which we call today a revis. So says the Mishna, you start off with the largest measurement. The Mishna starts off, but then we're going to see that it according to the view that we start off with the lowest measurement. What the Mishna is going to say, but over here we start. The largest measurement is about 7 L according to the Mishna, much less, about 4 L according to the Mishna. There was a measuring cup that [snorts] was a half a hin. Well, half of that measurement. Or a revis a hin, like a yoen, right? A log, log, a half a log. Or a revis a log. These are the seven. There were different demarcations on the measuring cup. In my [clears throat] Rashi here, I don't know what everybody else has. In my Rashi there's a picture, a rudimentary picture. So like a a typical measuring cup. This much is a half a hin. This is revis a hin. This is a log. A revis a log, etc. Different marks on the on the actual measuring cup. So in other words, he argues and he says there weren't seven different measuring cups. It was one measuring cup that had demarcations in it. Atkan lapar. This is half a hin. Atkan la ayo. This is shlishis a hin. Atkan la kevis, this is revis a hin. The largest measurement didn't exist. The hin was used once by Mishna in order to make Mishna, which lasted forever. But there's no purpose for it afterwards. That's it. We shall never make Mishna anymore. So but you have to have seven. And the Mishna is going to go into each step. Why do you have to have seven? And why according to the other man, why do you have it? There was a a measurement called a log and a half. That's what they measured the oil for the Mishna every day. So the seventh measuring cup was one and a half log. So now this Tana is going to go from the bottom up. Start from the the smallest one. We know the smallest one is a revis. Revis log. Half a log. A log. And now we have a freebie because we have this in the Mishna. Even the other one was a freebie. There's no hin. What do you need it for? Because of the doubt. >> [snorts] >> What is it What is it used for? So in fact, there was something else called one and a half logs. It's a freebie. We read this in the Mishna. One and a half log in the morning. The shaar a log. He says, why do you need a one and a half log? You just take the half log measurement and do it three times, you get one and a half log. What's the problem? He tells them after You can say that in everywhere. Then you don't even need a half a log. You don't need a full log. Revis take the revis. Take a becher from the seder, the small becher. I bought a couple of small bechers. Why? Because there's a there's an idea of of drinking the entire cup. So if you start off with something large, you're going to have to drink this whole thing. It's a problem. But if you don't want to get too tipsy, but you want to drink the revis. And you want to drink the whole cup. So you get a cup that's, you know, 150 ml. According to the Mishna or 86 according to the Mishna. Oh, so he says, according to you, just take a revis and through the revis, keep on pouring until you get to the shear you need. You know what? He says the reason why you need one and a half log is because we had a rule in the base of the Mishna. You cannot use one measuring device for something else. It's It has one purpose. You can't try to measure a one and a half log with a one log clean and keep on measuring. It doesn't work like that. We learned in the Mishna that there were different demarcations, marks, measure like your wife's measuring cup. It says a cup, a half a cup, a quarter cup. So too in the base of the Mishna, there was one measuring cup that had different different markings. Why? Because the Mishna said that according to the view that it all goes from the the smallest amount and it keeps climbing until you get to the hin. According to the mayor, it starts by the hin and goes downwards. What could be enough to mean in the how how we read it? When you fill up the the cup and the oil, the wine, goes over the rim, that's the Mishna. According to the view though that he started off with the smallest shear and he went up, he climbed up. Whatever goes above the rim has a like inside the cup. And one measurement to measure a revis. You should measure it. And you'll see that there'll be a like a overflow, go above. In other words, you're going to try to take the two I gave you a revis. Take two revis. Take two of those and you'll make a half a log. But according to the mayor, you're going from the highest shear down. It didn't become college. Why? The mayor gave the largest shear. Take from this and the the revis and the overflow is going to flow over. So when you start from the smaller shear, you're going to be left with some overflow. It's going to go above the rim. We start with a larger one, it doesn't not work. It's going to fall to the side. Explain a little bit more in a moment. So let's see what they did here. First of all, revis. Here we go. This is the over, the what when it goes over the rim. Ah. The color, the it's perfect. >> [groaning] >> You take two revis and you make a half a log. >> [snorts] >> So through this overflow, what goes above, says a bio, when it comes to the the over, the overflow, whatever you want to call it, you can both ways. You can say that according to everybody it's kodash. It has gush of the clay according to everybody. It doesn't have gush or whatever. But we can say the is different. I'm coming for you. You know, the famous so the word milium what does it mean? According to her mayor that he started with the hen, the largest measurement went downwards. Cuz the word milium means it has to be exactly. Should be full. Not too much. Not Not below the level. But according to they go from the smallest go from the all the way up to the hen. Milium means that it should be full. Meaning that it shouldn't go below the line. I have a but if you go too much it's it's it's it's fine. Why? Because and this you could explain it before as well. When you go from a smaller vessel to a larger vessel, you're going to have that foam. You have those bubbles. And that always even though you had the right amount to start out with but when you start pouring it into the clay into a larger clay, it's going to foam up and it's going to create more. Like when you pour soda, obviously when you pour soda just but even with wine similar it has some bubbles and that's why it's okay to have more. If you go from the smaller clay to larger clay, it's okay to have more. But according to her may they go from the larger clay to the smaller clay, you don't have those bubbles that much and therefore it has to be exact. Okay. Her shiman asked the bottom question, there's no it's not necessary to have this giant hen. What do you need it for? He said, well you're right. We don't use it now. But once upon a time used it. The sentimental value to the shiman zai sin. for generations you don't need it. The famous sometimes took something and made it museum. Put it away forever. So they took this hen and they buried it cuz it doesn't serve any purpose. Another one says the says once we have that measuring cup that measuring cup stays in the closet and the stays there forever. Omar this meal talk. Her shiman says since I don't have the hen, I got rid of it. So so now I'm left with six calum, six measurements. What am I going to do instead? So you won't have seven. What What happens if you don't have seven? Nothing happens. You have six. No. We don't learn the few days. That the that you have to lean on two You know, when when a person brings the individual carbon, he leans with all his might on the head. But when the people brings the carbon you don't have the leaning really. Besides by the and the la zaza. That's how the same way we have tells us they have to lean on two carbons. So we know from Sinai. Sinai pet. There was seven measuring cups. Now you have to figure it out. You have to know. You have to We have to break our heads. Come up with the seventh. What is it? If it's not the hen, we're not using the hen anymore. So must be one and a half log. No, there's only one measuring device and it had marks. As let's say me those. He doesn't What about the Sinai we just discussed? Lastly, no he doesn't have that the motion Sinai. You might say me those. He does. But I don't know didn't say seven measuring cups. It said seven you're in. Seven measurements. You can use all You can put all those seven measurements into one cup. All you need to do is make marks in it. Says the reviews my shamas. Now the mission is going to go through all the measurements. What do you do with each one? The is going to help it out a little bit. Reviews my shamas. What do you do with the reviews? Reviews my limits are on. We know we don't really talk about this part of the material. We're very familiar. You have to put the blood on the on the thumb and on the toe or the big toe and on his ear and on the whole thing you put oil blood. But there's one part where we he has two birds and he one bird and you put the blood of that bird into the water that came from a a live a live stream. A maya. Reviews my limits are on. You need the reviews my or reviews shiman la naza. So the naza his wife told shiman and he brings chalis and you need a reviews oil in the chala. What do you do with the half a log? You know, the she comes and her husband brings her and then they take the megillah with the with the shiman's name the they put it into this water. What is a half a log of water? The little title. The 30 matzah breads this 10 comments 30 matzah breads get a half a log of oil. What do you do with the log? Every gets a log shiman. Every gets one log. Says the mission of shishim nice shishim log. Every of a gets one log. So if you're going to make one giant chala which is 60 that's the largest one we said. That has to be royal below. Color royal below color royal we below in below my chevis. If you can mix it in that bowl and the largest amount that you can mix is 60 60 so it requires 60 log shiman. After the shishim shishim log. Even shishim ain't log hello loga. Even a large of 60 flour requires only one log of shiman not 60 log of shiman. Shiman is that there's a possible of a log shiman. For any you get one log shiman. Says the the mission shishal six log. In other words a half a hen. Cuz the mission talks about a full hen a half a hen a quarter of a hen third of a hen. So what do you do with the half a hen? That's for the par which is six log. Which is a hen goes for the ram. Which is a hen goes for the sheep. Three and a half for the Half a log each. Each candle gets a half a log. You also rub it. Oh. So that's a lot of oil if you think about it. If a reviews is 150 ml, so you're talking about 300 ml. That's a lot. Like two cups. Whatever it is if you it's 86, so you still have two cups. Half a log the corner. You also rub it kosher. Reviews shiman kosher. Why do you need to Why do you have to be kosher? The reviews hello. Why do you need kosher? Even so if it's to to give the the to the water of the like the mission says kosher. It's outside of the zaza. Or outside of the Rashi says outside of the zaza. The on the base on top. The naza and if it's for the oil of the naza oil in the kosher. The the bread becomes kosher through the we said. Omar shaboya chavi the coin go. Reviews shiman chala of a chala. It's in order to measure one reviews one cups worth of oil each and every chala. And there's six chalas in the morning we said six chalas in the afternoon. Each chala got got a reviews. Coria lay. So that's interesting. We're going to have in the a few that the the I'm really so excited. Coria lay. No, this is here. Coria lay eretz mer is a say. He comes from a far out country from bubble. Is a say. He gives he's a man that gives eight says. He comes from a far place and gives me an eight say. Told me good shot. Half a log may hall you may shamas. You also rub it half a log kosher. So it says in the mission what do you do with the half a log? It's for the or for the or the You also rub it half a log kosher. The shiman kosher. The water Where does the water come from? This is the best I can do. I know we have much better. We have already our stuff. This I got from call it a lashon. What I'm going to do is already Yom Tov by Yoshe. He did whatever he could do and that's it. Uh the water comes from the kiyor. And the kiyor itself has a kedusha and gives and infuses kedusha into the water. So, what do you have to be mekadesh it again? Because mine kedoshim kesiv. It should come straight out of the kiyor, not from the faucet. It's told if it's for the oil of the toldo, lachmei toldo beshritos toldo dekachin. The breads of the toldo become kodesh like we said before, the same idea through the shchita of the korban. You don't need a special klie to be mekadesh it. Omer Rebbi we just had him earlier, Reb Shimon the son of Rebbi says shubai oilem chalak chatzi log shemen likol nevi'im. With this half a log this is how we divided the oil for the menorah. Omer Rebbi once again we have a new pasuk, ner Yisrael kachah. He called them a ner Yisrael. Ner Yisrael, you light up the the candle of Klal Yisrael, kachah oiyer. That's exactly what it is. Omer Omer Rebbi Omer Rebbi. Ner shekavsah what happens if the menorah extinguishes itself in middle of the night? Nidashna shemen. Now, what happens? You know, like your menorah Chanukah the wick, the black wick falls into the oil it muddies up the oil. Nidashna ptila. The wick itself becomes terrible. Keitzad eizo oisi he do? Meitiv oiy she clean it out. Dinazim beshemen umadliko. First he clean it out. Then you redo the whole thing. Add the oil add a add a wick and you light it and it's good. Yosef Rebbi Zvika boyle Rebbi Zvika asks shunoizin beshemen when you when you fill it up with oil kimida rishona should you give a half a log? Start all over with the whole half a log. Okimasha chasra. Or perhaps let's say from the half a log half of that went down. So, now you're left with a revi'is. You're missing a revi'is. So, pour in a revi'is. Why why start off with the full amount that is already lit for 3 4 hours? Omer Rebbi Yirmiyah I'll tell you why. She did the kimida rishona. It's obvious they have to start all over again, give it the full amount. Dikimasha chasra because if you have to add whatever's missing menorah dina mikisa. If you're going to if you're going to How how you going to know what's missing? Navchi temei demishara maybe you're going to measure with one of your measuring cups. You're going to take whatever's left over and putting into put it into a measuring cup. And now you see in the measuring cup that it's let's say you have a revi'is. So, you know you're missing a revi'is. Uh let's say you have a a half a revi'is. So, you know you have to put three quarters of a log. Whatever it is. But you have to measure it in a special measuring device. But that's only good if you have you know 30 40 different measuring devices cuz every time it extinguishes at different periods of the night and you have to measure exactly. So, asks the Gemara that can't be. Can't be that you're you're taking the leftover oil and putting it in the measuring device. In keishav midos navishnu midos tuvus. Many many measuring devices. And that's my rayo that we don't have to measure. And just start all over from the beginning. Just put in a half a log and shalom Yisrael. Karei alei he said a third pasuk over here, badarcha selach. So, Rashi explains badarcha you take the hadarcha and it's a lashon of chidudin, chidudcha. The hei and the dalet are interchangeable. So, your sharpness, chidudin selach rechav dvar emes veanvas tzedek. Because you're so sharp you set a grape shot. Tanam mamash meforesh a freebie. Omer Rebbi Omer Rebbi Omer Rebbi Omer Rebbi Omer Rebbi Chalino Omer Rebbi. Ner shekavsah if a if a one of the candles of menorah goes out nidashna shemen nidashna ptila and the oil got discolored and the the wick is no good. Keitzad eizo oisi he do? Meitiv oiy he cleans it. Dinazim beshemen kimida rishona of the original amount. You bring a chatzi log you pour it in umadliko and you light it. Omer Ravuna breider Yuda Omer Rebbi Shishes. Ner shebameida sheprok amavo. Says the Gemara Omer Rebbi that nobody knows. The Lo Indea daf knows this. That the menorah was flexible. The go gold is very flexible. And in order to clean out let's say oh perfect. This is the the glass that holds the oil. How how are you going to clean it out? If it's stationary, how are you ever going to clean it out? The only way to do it is if you're able to turn it over. But how do you turn it over? You take the the stem of the menorah and you bend it down. Boom. Upside down like this. And then once you hear you clean it out. Beautiful. Let's take a look. This is removing the wick. These are the milchachaim. You have a like a tweezer device. You have a fork. You have like a shovel. And take a look over here. It's bent downwards. For both sides bent. Interesting fork he has over there. I would use the tweezer in that situation. Okay. Pulls out the wick. But once it's bent downwards then you clean it out. Kosovar shurei midos sheprok amavo. Kosovar kiksif kikar. It says it's made out of a a block umiksha and it's one hard piece. Amenorah venerei'u sel kesiv. It it was one piece. It didn't come apart. You can't unscrew it. It wasn't made out of different pieces. Kivan debo yasa since you have to clean it out you have to prok amavo. If not if not for the fact that it was flexible they have meitavlei you wouldn't be able to clean it out ever. Beisfel ask you question. Keitzad eizo what how do you do it? Misalko umenicho bayo. You take apart the the the menorah. You take the wicks out and you put in the oil. You put in the heichal. Umekan and you you wipe it down besfog with a with a sponge. Umar Rebbi Yishmael Omer Rebbi and then you put the oil in it and you you light it. Omer Rebbi Yishmael see that you can take it apart. Udalmei gaitarei desanya chachmei oilem. Who's chacham? The Gemara is going to say in a second like oilem zeize dinazim koima. The ner the top part never moved. It didn't move. This part stays stationary. Uman chachmei delozru Rebbi Elozar desanya Rebbi Elozar tell the koiy meirekim in tashasav koiy lagavo. Says how do you clean it? So, I asked Yoshe to do something and look what he did. Mamash erev Yom Tov last minutes before Yom Tov. If this is the the top of the menorah, the cup of the menorah said it had a They actually I remember them selling something like this, like a metal piece. That a piece made out of gold that sat on top. And they would slide it open. You take the the the the wick clean it. Pour in the oil through that hole. And put the wick right back into that hole. Now, I do want to say I asked Yoshe to do it in another shape but he said it was too difficult for him at that point to do it. It was more like the shape was more like a canoe. You know, like like a boat. It wasn't a round shape. But that's okay. Uh this is for illustrative purposes only. What does it mean kimintas? I said people are not going to understand maybe. Kimintashasav koiy lagavo. This a thin piece of gold on top. Shumitiv and when he cleans the menorah do chapi piyo he pushes it slides it forward. Shunoizin beshemen and when he puts the oil in the lab then he he closes it up. He puts the oil through the hole. Omer Rebbi looked at that and desanya and this is machlokes. Desanya menorah venerei'u sel boys menakikar. The menorah and the top gla the the part that they put the oil in all comes from that one piece of gold which weighed about what 50,000 I think we said it was. Ve'ein malcho cheil machlisam menakikar. These guys the the tools that remove the wicks and the oil and cleans it out that was not part of it. Veloi ner Yisrael malcho cheil sorry. Beima malcho cheil machlisam menakikar. Reb Nachman and here this is a new shita. Menorah eisav menakikar. The whole menorah came from the big block of gold. Veloi ner Yisrael malcho cheil machlisam came from the big chunk of gold. And then he says he sticks in one word. Veloi ner Yisrael. Says Reb Nachman sticks in one more thing. He says the actual cup that held the the oil was not made out of the that kikar. Boys mena veloi ner Yisrael malcho cheil machlisam boys menakikar. It doesn't come. Reb Nachman Mefagi. One says that the cup did come and the other one says no. They all agree that the tools not. By arguing the possible You should make the menorah out of one key little model of menorah then we know that actually menorah comes from the key how do you know that it comes to include the cups? You also include the tweezers and the fork that I'm going to always saw only menorah different in other words according to the cups do come from the gold. A second ago we read from that the cups are not included in that one chunk of gold and now you're saying it is. You're right there's two two tell me them each one thought he heard something else from them. says that only the menorah came from the chunk of gold they might go and he holds like the part of the that the cups and the tools didn't come from that gold. Why what am I going to do with the all these vessels? So came just the just saying they come from gold but not from the same chunk of gold from the brick of gold that the menorah is made out of. That's that's I don't need the positive that the tweezer out of gold. So be narrow is let's go back. Be narrow is this guy on top the cover is made out of gold. So what's going to happen? Anybody that ever looked at a menorah and has a piece of metal that covers it knows it becomes black from the flame from the ashes. I thought you would think that the Torah says listen since it's going to become black you have to dissolve it called the use impure gold don't use the top quality use gold you want to use gold great but not the top quality it's going to get burnt anyway. That's why I need a positive tell me no you make it from the purest of the pure the voice I have a good Yom Tov. Thank you for being here you Mark you to all the editors to the to the artist to Yossi you should go home. 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