CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 87 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> We're holding by a brand new Mishnah. There's wine libations you can even bring a carbon of wine, just wine, but you bring it together with the oil. Where do you get this wine? two places alpha lion It actually rhymes. Alpha is the alpha male, the alpha, the number one. the second on the list is from Rima and Lavan Bahar. a place called signal in the valley. Call this all lands. We once had all lands and I I said before all lands in the first Mishnah was that comes to the only from so call doesn't mean all lands, it means all cities. Now it means all lands. You can get French wine, you get Italian wine, Spanish wine. It's all good. Call was better to me bring from here. Do not bring from a fertilized vineyard. It doesn't taste good. But or vineyard that's that needs irrigation and cannot depend solely on the rain. And there are vineyards that different things are planted between the vines. They had to not kill but they had to do not use that. They may be but if you did bring from such a vineyard caution is okay. Now remember is going to be grapes that were completely ripened by the sun. So they're super sweet, not good wine. They may be kosher. And if you brought it it is kosher. So this is going to throw everybody for a loop. We all know that aged wine is better than regular wine. Not for the base of those. If it's more than a year old, no good. So this is going to ask a contradiction we said before is kosher. You don't bring sweet wine and not smoked wine. The very into the smoking a lot of the guys that understand meat like Tamiyanski and Benny and You know these guys they have smokers. They smoke their meat. That's great for meat. Boss of the wine. But not wine. Why not? And not cooked wine. So today kosher is a big thing. We cook the wine, we bring it up to a certain degree and then bring it down so that it's there's no problem with the wine. So we're familiar with And if you bring wine you bring smoked wine to the base of those kosher. So kosher includes even this the very sweet wine kosher. And you don't bring wine. Here we go. So first of all, let me show you this and then I'll go back. It at least means hanging vines, hanging grapes. You want them to be from the the feet. It's like a foot. The ones that are touching the ground. You must you should bring wine from the grapes are on the ground but also from the vineyards that are worked upon that they cultivate them twice a year. Twice a year but it's in the more. You don't put them in large barrels, in those magnums, in the large barrels. You put them in the smaller jugs. If you ever noticed there's always room on the top. You don't fill up the wine all the way to the top because you want the you want it to have some ear space in the battle to have some aroma and then when you open it up it pops out and it may be pure. You don't take from the top because of what looks like flower which means mold. Here it is. There's mold on the top. Don't take from the bottom of the barrel because of the sediments that settle on the bottom. Everybody knows when you pour some bottles I didn't really have it over here on but sometimes you pour a bottle and you have sediment on the bottom and you know it gets into your wine and it doesn't you don't really like it that much. That's not what you put it in for the base of it has to be clear. You have like a a faucet in the center of the barrel. Not exactly where it is but in the in the third of the barrel. That's where the top is no good because it has the the chemical the the mold. The bottom is no good because it has the sediments. You take from the center. How how do we check the the quality of the wine has got to be as a read once the the bubbles the the white bubbles start coming up the the mold and then that's sort of stuff. He whacks he makes a sound with his with a stick. Stop pouring. Enough. Why didn't you say stop pouring? Why does he have to hit something? He's going to say because sound of the voice could ruin the wine. Not good for the wine. If you have any of this stuff on the top get rid of the whole barrel. We don't want any of it. The should be complete. And also the wine should be complete. Any wine that has mold do you want to drink? Oh, it's just on the top. The top layer has mold. I'm not interested. I want a nice clear bottle. Do not bring sweet cooked smoked wine and if you did bring it's possible. It says in the I pointed it out. Do not bring this the Why can you bring because it's sweet? Maybe kosher. But after the fact it's kosher. You just said if you bring sweet wine after the fact it's possible. So simple and both you take the the two and you put them together and you say sweet wine is no good. You must you must say because the mission says it's okay. Now we're going to put both of them and say no both of them are not good. Let me try to fix the the over here it says no in fact they're not both the same. One is kosher and one is not kosher after the fact. When it sweetens through the sun there's nothing wrong with that. It's not a disgusting grape. It's a great grape. They make the best wines in the world from it. Just so happens to be it sat in the sun a little bit too much. The sun hit it from a different direction. The sun is what gave it extra sweetness. It's not a disgusting wine. But when the sweetness comes from the actual um uh species. What's the word I'm looking for? variety of grape the the entire variety is a sweet variety. That's most. That's disgusting so to speak. We don't want that type of grape. We want a nice red grape, whatever it is. Sauvignon, whatever it is. You give me some grape from Mexico, not interested. It's a most grape. If you have the Sauvignon, the the Merlot grape and the sun hit it a little bit much on the side and that's why it's sweet. No. But the whole I'm looking for a better word. Not variety, not the the mint. Okay. You know what I'm saying. Not the blend. No, blend is two types. Okay. Later. Maybe says you can't bring older wine. Let's let's let's get into it. Why not? Why not? Why It says those two words together, the sheep and the wine. A sheep as we're going to see soon also. A sheep is a year old. A is two years old. A sheep is a year old. So two wine has to be a year old. As the if you're going to compare it to a sheep a sheep when it's two years old it's completely possible. A is not possible. If you tell me yeah wine that's two years old two years old is completely possible. Not after the fact but it's possible. If you have wine that's two years old don't bring it. They may be kosher. It's not possible it's kosher. But if you're comparing it to sheep, it should be possible. My time is later on my life, and who says you shouldn't bring it? Rabbi big heavy kosher. It's kosher. Hello my over I knew time of the Rabbi the sieve ulterior Yianni keys Adam. It says in possible don't see the wine when it is red. When is it the reddest? It's red when it's a year old. As soon as it switches ages, it starts becoming less and less red, more and more bread. When it's red in its first year, that's when it's the most desirable. That's the most tasty. It has the best taste, and we're concerned the possible is concerned that you're going to drink too much, and you're not going to know how to differentiate between right and wrong. You might do silly things. Because of this possible ulterior Yianni keys Adam, because of this possible this is the reason why on the seder night we are mapped with a drink red wine and not white wine. Zuck the Gamora. Ain me being loyal men of the Leo's. You shouldn't bring grapes that hang like we they our grapes today, they hang. They don't we don't let them go on the floor. Tana chrome I would invite my mission. You should have vineyards that are cultivated with a hoe. You know, you take that that that tool and you you soften up, you loosen up the the dirt underneath the vine twice a year. Irrigated. Give it a little ear. Whatever, you know, these wine makers, they know what they're doing. They need a lot of ear, a lot of sun. It's a whole If you guys have a carnal hardly carnal of the paradise. If you guys have had a corner of a of a orchard of a paradise the robotic bait fair of car he he cultivated the ground more than everybody. The avid kind of infected made it produced wine the darling mayo of hard train. Typically speaking in the time of the Gamora they would do music. Ego music is to dilute the wine. The wine was way too strong. So they would typically put three parts water, one part wine. Yeah, let's just see. They would dilute it. There's also another way to drink water because the water wasn't sanitized, so they would you know kill it with the alcohol. Review of Yossi's wine was so strong because he cultivated the land double that it produced double amount of wine. How? By by being able to add double amount of water. Over 100 darling mayo of hard train. Double the unusual. Usually it was three to one, now it's six to one. Says the Gamora by the way how you going to listen but how come they don't they wouldn't um gather the wine in larger barrels. Tana have you always this small barrels have you always do do you always being used. These are really the same as a card as a jug in load a medium size jug in load. I mean you can I just time to time. You wouldn't put the two next to each other like this because if this one is spoiled the aroma from this one will go and climb into the other one. So they would distance them one one a lot of they would store them one one not next to each other. Kate said boy dick. We said how does the shamash check the wine? Give me your become of the other bizarre he could become of when the white when the when it started bubbling the the foam he would bang and say stop pouring. You wouldn't say it, but that's what it meant. Stop pouring. Tana Zarek again so smart in when the sediments start pouring out gives birth he could become of he would bang with the stick. As the Gamora believe in me me me me why don't he say with his mouth? The say the review of none so it's actually it helps improves the review of none right. The other review of none can change shot of the some in we know that when the in the base of English when they made the some in for the chorus they would say holiday with any words it was good for the some in the board rally and so too speaking is terrible for the wine. Review of Yossi by review of the timer. So now we have some three questions. Boy review of none of the base review of the said that if there's a little bit of camel there's a little bit of mold on the top get rid of the whole barrel. Boy review of none of the dish way now she'll kill them some balm. Maybe I jumped at that the three questions. This is the famous question that we had at least three times probably four times already. This is the fifth time. I'm not counting, so I might be off. But it says we just said that a country of Yossi the wine is no good get rid of the entire barrel. What happens if you decide to donate this $10,000 barrel to the base I make this your big static. No. Maybe you should get a mouth kiss. You're not a static. Why can't the possible the possible of mom dummy since if there's a possible it's similar to being about mom and about mom we know if you donate an animal knowingly that has a blemish you get mouth kiss or the may about mom perhaps the whole idea about mom is only by the hey mom take. Tana rabona I got it to alien if somebody donated rams which are two years old you bring them from the best place in the world to get a ram to blossom if you donated a sheep that's only a year old my camera a goalie when you get um calf thank you you're quick. A goalie and calf you get it from shark head. Go solo is how do you say how do you call that thing that has wings that goes like this? Yeah, I know it's a bird. Go solo is a maram ella. Go solo is maram ella get those birds from maram ella. I review of none of the being possible go home to go home. You're not going to believe this. You bring a sheep that's its height is as tall as its width. What does that mean? I review of none of the Sheila. So check out this places. Places says places there are master of the government of home. So places over gracious rabble I see Kobe ready doctored it since last night because last night I just threw it in there and it wasn't so nice. He does the background and he did the underline. Over gracious rabble all my possible show Tommy the whole you call the way they were so tall. Show me my Gabby on the like giraffes. They eat from the top of the trees. You know made a tremendous nest. Go on the safari. There are the the animals that eat from the top. There are the animals that eat from the bottom. And then the animals that eat from the middle. Uh the giraffe doesn't eat from the bush that's you know 5 ft tall. It's too short for him. He eats from the 10 ft trees 20 ft. And then you have all the gazelles that only eat the grass. And the the wildebeest only eat the grass. They have the middle guys. The possible made in a way that they could all survive in the same area. It's not like they're all eating from the same crap. It's beautiful. So this this sheep the sheep for the Tommy they were so tall they would eat from the top of of of a cedar tree. We'll show you my key of noise in our game island. And when they would put these sheep on top of a of a camel regular possible in the ground the feet would drag on the ground. Oh my rabble rabble rabble Sheila my time of the review of none what's shot of the review of none they have to bring these giant sheep to see your neck hole by your mouth. In in the future the the sheep will will graze hard near hold car is a sheep near hold very very wide. See if I call me say here you shall I make out the show me if I was in the base manager we would be singing right now. I call me say here you shall I or some other again. On top of the wall that protects you shall I am I stationed guards. Call I am going to call a liar. All day all night Tommy. All the time loyal issue. They will not be quiet. How much care of the same of the middle of them. Those who mention the same they will never be quiet. My army so what are these guards saying? That they're not being quiet. How come I review of none of the Sheila? I want to suck on the honey and see he is the kind of kiva. Call my end. I want to suck on the racking seal. You shall how do you say suck on not to stand up to build? The racking seal. Have a common us. Have compassion on your shall I am. Review of none of the Sheila boy new shall I am shall I am shall I am will rebuild you shall I am the mayor of the mayor of the mayor of the main. Who make out of my have a army? And before you shall I am was destroyed what would the guard say? Doesn't have to be rebuilt. I review of none of the Sheila he will see you shall I am chose you shall I am. Evil emotion of lie. He desires to dwell in you shall I am. Says the Mishnah Shnei Midot Hayu Ba Beit Hamikdash. There were only two measuring cups in the Beit Hamikdash. Now, it doesn't mean there was two measuring cups total. There was two sizes. There There might have been a hundred of the same one, but it's the same size. What are the two sizes? Right over here. The Issaron and the Chatzi Issaron. Those are the two sizes. Now, it's very possible there was a hundred Issarons and two, three Chatzi Issarons. But the total types The types were only two. You must get to all measurements through these two measuring cups. Rebbi Meir Omer Issaron, Issaron and Chatzi Issaron. There are three. Two types of Issaron, which the Gemara is going to explain. They're different sizes, but they're called Issaron. And a Chatzi Issaron, total of three. Issaron Mayu Meshamesh. What would they do with the Issaron? Says the Mishnah She Bayu Mayu Meshamesh Lechol Minchot. Every single Mincha needs the mystery Issaron. Lo Hayu Mayu Meshamesh LeShloshah LeParim. Says the possuk when it comes to the the bull, you bring a bull, you need three Issaronim of flour. So, they didn't have a three Issaron vessel to measure that. So, you would use the one Issaron and you fill it up one times, spill it in. What? You do it three times? Uveleil Shnei Ha'ayil. The same thing for the ram, you need two. There was no special kli that that held two Issaronim. You'd have to use the one Issaron kli. Ela Mayu Meshamesh LeShnayim. You'd only measure it one Issaron at a time. Chatzi Issaron Mayu Meshamesh. What do you do with the second kli called a Chatzi Issaron? She Bayu Mayu Meshamesh LeChavitei Kohen Gadol Umeretzefet Haboyiko Etzlenu Rabbeinu. We know the Kohen Gadol would bring one Issaron from home and he would measure with the Chatzi Issaron half of the Issaron. You would use the Chatzi Issaron measuring device for the morning Mincha that the Kohen Gadol would bring and for the afternoon. Tanya Rebbi Meir Omer Matan Lo Mayu Issaron Issaron LeChavetz Achad. Rebbi Meir Yival Degatina. Says the possuk Issaron, that's one. Issaron, we say it Don't we say it every day in Chol Hamoed? Issaron Issaron. So, there's a double Yeah. What's the double lashon? Issaron Issaron LeCheves Achad. Melamed Sheshnei Issarons Hayu Ba Beit Hamikdash. There were two measuring devices called Issaron. Echad Gadol Ve'echad Machul. So, he says the pshat is like this. The one on the right is lower than the one on the left. The one on the left holds an Issaron when you erase Machul. You You make the top level. Gadol They both hold the same amount, but in different ways. The one on the left, you have to level out the top. The one on the right, you pile it up. And by piling it up, you get a full Issaron. But the actual kli is slightly smaller than the one on the left. Gadol Shebayu. And why is that? Because the Torah says Issaron Issaron. So, the only way I understand to get two of these Issaronim is by making them different sizes, but coming out with the same amount. Gadol Shebayu Mayu Meshamesh Lechol Minchot. The full one, the one on the right, I would use for every Mincha. Daf Zayin Amud Beis. Machul Shebayu Mayu Meshamesh LeChavitei Kohen Gadol. And the one on the left, I would use for Chavitei Kohen Gadol. Kohen Gadol, since I have to move from place to place with it, I don't want anything to spill. It's also since I have to uh measure half of it, it's it's going to be a different measurement. If it's piled up, heaved up. So, may I make it flat and straight. V'acha Chomri Lo Hayu Meshamesh LeIssaron Achad. No, there's only one measuring device in the Beit Hamikdash. She Ne'emar Ve'Issaron Achad LeCheves Achad. It says Ve'Issaron Achad, there's only one measuring device. It became, but I have a problem. Rebbi Meir has a very good taina. But Amarlo Mayu Issaron Issaron, why does the possuk say that there was two? No, the Rabbis Chatzi Issaron. One is the full Issaron and one is the half Issaron. Rebbi Meir Chatzi Issaron Min Lo Lei. And how did Rebbi Meir already use up the Issaron Issaron? How does he know that there's something called a Chatzi Issaron? Nafka Lei Mei Ve'Issaron. The extra Vav. Ve'Rabbanan Lo Darshu De Rabbanan Don't hold that you can make a whole drash on a Lei Mod of a new kli from a a Vav. Rebbi Meir Hayi Ve'Issaron Achad LeCheves Achad Mei'olam Lo Lei. Rabbanan Learn from Ve'Issaron Achad. It says there's only one measuring device called Issaron Achad. What do they do with that? Ahu Shlayim DeLo Hayu Meshamesh LeShloshah LeParim Uveleil Shnei Ha'ayil. To teach us that when it comes to measuring the bull and the ram, you don't have a special device for that. You use the Issaron device. Rabbanan. And how did Rabbanan know that you have a You don't have a special device for that, the three a three Issaron measuring cup? Nafka Lei Mei Kud Because it says on top of the Vav of the second Issaron, it has a dot. From that dot, the Sifrei Omer Rebbi Yosi Lo Menakid Vav Sheb'emtza Issaron Shel Issaron Rishon Shel Yom Ha'omer. Rebbi Yosi Lo Darish. How come? In Sukkot it has a little dot over there. Shlayim Lo Hayu Meshamesh LeShloshah LeParim Shnei Ha'ayil. Teach us from that dot that you don't have a special measuring device. Rebbi Meir Kud Darish. Rebbi Meir doesn't darshan the dot. Zog the Gemara. Chatzi Issaron Mayu Meshamesh LeChavitei Kohen Gadol. The Mishnah tells us that what do you do with the half Issaron measuring device? That's for the Kohen Gadol. That's the only thing we use it for. As the Gemara Mayu Meshamesh, what he measures the half? Rebbi Meir Chavitei Kohen Gadol Lo Hayu Mayu Meshamesh Ela Mei'Issaron Shalayim DeChatzi. The The The way it works is the Kohen Gadol brings in an entire Issaron from his house. He can't go back in the middle and take half half. He has to bring it in one shot. And he divides it in half. You don't need a measuring device for that? Omer Rebbi Shaya It's not true. You do need a measuring device. Mayu Mayu Denan DeIssaron Machul. After he has a whole Issaron in the device, now he has to take a half Issaron and measure it out. Siman Chatzi Chavitei Shulchan. So, here the Gemara is going to ask three questions. Bayu Mei'inan Rebbi Nachman Rebbi Chizda. So, Rebbi Nachman asked Rebbi Chizda. Chatzi Issaron Rebbi Meir Gadol Hayu Ve'Machul Hayu. I know that you said we had a Machlokes. Rebbi Meir said that there's two Issarons, one is Gadol, one is not. Rabbanan said that there's only one Issaron. Now, what about the half of Issaron according to Rebbi Meir? Does it Is it one of these devices that you that it's it's a an a Chatzi Issaron up to the top, it has to be flat? Or it's only a Chatzi Issaron if you make it a nice mound? Says the Gemara Rebbi Nachman Rebbi Nachman, why are you asking only according to Rebbi Meir? Says the Gemara DeRabbanan Issaron Gufei Kamin Bayu. I don't even know what Rabbanan hold with the with the real the the larger size of Issaron. Does it have to be Gadol or not? I know according to Rebbi Meir there's two devices. What about according to Rabbanan? Gadol Hayu Ve'Machul Hayu. That's why I asked only the the half Issaron according to Rebbi Meir because the full Issaron I have a problem even according to Rabbanan. Of course I have a problem. I have a problem with both according to Rabbanan. Omer Rebbi Meir Nishma DeRebbi Meir. I can learn Rebbi Meir to Rebbi Meir. And once I know what Rebbi Meir holds in a half, Rebbi Meir Nishma DeRabbanan. Once I know that, then I'll know what Rabbanan hold. That what? De'omer Rebbi Meir Issaron Machul. We know when the Kohen Gadol brings his Chavitei, it should be an Issaron, a flat Issaron. So, Mayu Where do we use the Chatzi Issaron? By the Kohen Gadol. So, since the regular Issaron it's it's it's flat, so Chatzi Issaron Nami Machul. So, therefore, the half the half Issaron is also flat. And once I know the Rebbi Meir Machlokes. Once I know that Rebbi Meir holds it's flat, DeRabbanan Nami Machul. According to Rabbanan, it's also flat. Bayu Mei'inan Rebbi Nachman Rebbi Chizda. So, asked Rebbi Nachman. Chavitei Kohen Gadol Bemayim Chayim Uvechavitz. The Kohen Gadol brings 12 breads, six in the morning out of the the flour of Chatzi Issaron. He brings six breads in the morning, six breads and a half Issaron in the evening, which is six breads. They have to be clean. How does he break it up? By hand or by vessel? Says the Gemara Bishita DeByad. Certainly with his hand. Devekli, Shetoniyachlis. What, he should bring a scale into the Beit Hamikdash? Let me just show you for a second. Well, we're here in the video, you see he does it by hand. Doesn't have a special kli. Says the Gemara DeYachlis, let him bring a scale, what's the big deal? Says no, no. Ki In DeKlal Lo Seif Lav Ayin Chara'o. Where's this klala? Says the possuk in the klalot. Where the Bachur doesn't get the Bachur gets the Aliya, nobody else gets the Aliya. Nobody wants that Aliya. Uve'ishivu Lacham Mateh Lechem Uve'eser Nashim Yochlu Lacham Betanur Echad. 10 women are going to bake the bread in one oven and it's going to fall apart. It's not going to stick together. Uve'ishivu Lacham Mishkal. They're not going to know how to divide the bread. You're going to have to use a scale. So, therefore, since the word scale and bread is brought together in the curse in the curse in the possuk of curses, Lav Ayin Chara'o, it's not nice to bring that into the Beit Hamikdash. Bayu Mei'inan another question Rebbi Nachman Rebbi Chizda. Another question Rebbi Nachman asked over Rebbi Chizda. Shulchan Ma'ushi Kadish Machsin b'goy d'shala. Interesting lashon. But the question is very simple. Pretend this is the shulchan that we put here. Let's show you the real shulchan. This is the shulchan. Has a flat top, plus it has these like shelves to put the the bread. But we just break it down to the to the physical, to the to the the the simple elements, we have a shulchan. We have a mizgeres, we have a nice decorative piece that's underneath. There's a menorah that sits on top. But in this case, the top of the table, like a regular table top that we have today, doesn't have a toych, doesn't have a inside, there's no walls on the side. So m'ila, could does it have the power to give k'dusha to the frankincense, to the l'vona? Cuz typically speaking, we put the l'vona inside a spoon, two spoons, two b'zichin. Those spoons give the l'vona a k'dusha. But over here, there's nothing what to give k'dusha, there's no walls. M'aushiy Kodesh K'motzim b'goy d'shala. Why? M'din d'mikadesh l'chan, since it has the possibility to give k'dusha to the bread, how does the bread become kodesh by putting on the table? K'motzim d'mikadesh, so putting the l'vona on the table should also give k'dusha. Oy d'ila, perhaps the chazal d'mikadesh, only because bread is normal to put it on the on the table. D'loi chazal d'mikadesh, not normal to put the l'vona on the table. Omer lei, einu mikadesh, no k'dusha for the l'vona. Anyhow, the gemara v'omer Rav Yochanan d'Rav Yishmael b'Rav Yosi d'Koival. So look, if you if you noticed, the lachman panim has a very funny shape. Why is it funny? Because it's huge. These breads are huge. And they don't fit on the shelf. So what the Kohen Gadol would do, the Kohen would do, they would fold the breads over each other. So now it took up two and a half t'fachim. Two and a half times six breads, the six levels of bread, equals 15, right? Simple Parvitz math. The way I do it is two and a half times two equals five. Five times three, cuz you have six breads, that's two. Two times three is six. So two three times five is 15. Did I just complicate things? Anyways, two and a half t'fachim times six equals 15. It gives k'dusha all the way to the top of the top bread. It's very powerful. Why shouldn't it give k'dusha to the to the frankincense? N'imtzah shulchan mikadesh chamisha t'fachim l'ma'ala. So the the So m'ila should give k'dusha to the to the frankincense that's all the way on top. Or wherever it is. N'imtzah shulchan mikadesh chamisha t'fachim. The divrei Rav Yishmael b'Rav Yosi d'Koival, and if you say it's only two t'fachim tall the bread, n'imtzah shulchan sh'ol two times six is 12, n'imtzah shulchan mikadesh sh'teim esrei t'fachim l'ma'ala. Gives k'dusha all the way 12 t'fachim on top. Omer lei, einu mikadesh l'korev. Avon mikadesh l'posel. You're right, the l'vona doesn't have k'dusha, enough k'dusha that you should be able to put it on the mizbeach, but it it's enough k'dusha that if a t'vul yom touches it, it becomes posel. And with that, have a goyish side. Have a good Yom Tov u'moed. Have a good moed. Have a great day. Thank you for joining. A good moed. Merit the z'chus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdy.sponsor.com or [email protected].