CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 84 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> I go to my address boy side the boy side we're going to start from the brand new period of Gimel on the base called carbon of the table in other words all men of us that are for the community that I have and for the individual by in order to move forward so you bring a minute huh private minute or the communities minute it could come even from what's Laura even from out of the country even outside of our distress minute it comes from the brand new crap off from the meaning from that already the came from an ocean from the previous crap what's my name which they all come besides two minutes the owner I'm just starting the owner which they all and the two breads of shoes channel by the show me most come from the brand new crap and only from the show the cool on there's a that must come from the best type of flower available what does it mean what's the best McNees and Zatkho I'm full of sailors alpha is the number one olive alpha so what if it comes from McNees and Zatkho it's number one for sailors for this pure flower Schneiderman and second to them if you can't find anything from McNees and Zatkho you bring from a foreign baker the more like a story in the about a foreign baker coming up call the shares call is referring to all places in our distress all cities in our distress are kosher a lot of McNees and meaning it's kosher but it's better to bring from McNees and Zatkho you bring from but it's better from McNees and Zatkho says the about season like I don't know our mission go doesn't go according to this time of the sun you I don't know when I don't know kosher it says over here that the owner could come from the older crap and our mission says it can only come from the ocean still I don't know what I don't know shares says the mission about the ocean for shoes also has to come from the new crap and the shoes and McNees are okay so you bring from the old crap you're going to be missing a minute so but it says that's okay I don't know how do I know the tackle it as McNees but feeling even if you take out old old wheat from your attic in other words from the old crap it's still kosher says which they all which we say to you it comes to exclude Laura which we say feeling I could put them in from one word which we say you cannot bring from what's Laura and also you could even be which we say you could even be from your attic old crap as I can I learn two things from one word picked it you already learned that has to be from our distress not from what's Laura how can you learn that could be even from your attic you're right on my view the word right before is McNees we say him to view from the second word to view is I'm not from McNees learning that you could bring even you have to bring only from our distress not from what's Laura from the word to view I learn that it could also be from the attic ask the but my boy call me maybe more here that if you let's say these these title breads remember the 10 calories that come with the title the comments part each one must be in a sorry and so I already learned the word to view that teaches that it has to be in a sorry says the you're right in case of to view my to view from the fact that the Torah says to view instead of to view so the extra valve teaches us that has to be sorry to master party I learn both halachos walk gracious what I'm going to do with the fact that this is gracious that has to be from the new crap limit doesn't really mean it must be it means it's a good thing to do it from there if you do from the new crap you get a minute so as the I don't know how do I know what it means the new crap no throughout culture we had a concept that if the Torah repeats itself twice then the Torah is means business and when the Torah says gracious and then the Torah says how do I means that the new crap says the how do I look at the sun you I don't know if I don't know when I don't know shares I don't know when I don't know how do I know you know what I do with the word how do I so every time we had so far when the word is necessary to teach us something else then it's not a show me all of black and white the Torah didn't say twice to be to be to be to be McNees to say that it has to be done like this because I need the word how do I something else which they all how do I all the call how do I all there's an ocean that the the McNees the owner we're going to see the owner how do I they must be number one of that year can't bring anything which they all we're going to start with which they all can't bring anything before that any minute before that has to be how do I all the call number one for all the McNees I can't believe you how do I says the I have a I can't believe you how do I all of us it seems like there's no McNees about our distress what's Laura owner how do I all of us in what's Laura everybody seems to agree and we're going to see there's not a problem that the owner and Schneiderman the the owner that allows us to eat the brand new crap and the Schneiderman is the two breads that we bring on shoes that also allows us to bring other the other barley McNees the new crap must be from our distress not from what's Laura it's says the I can't believe you how do I it doesn't go according to the other time of the sun you you do I don't know I don't know how do I he says that I don't know could come from what's Laura I don't know what I don't know a lot of so what do I do with this case of a lot of Schneiderman owner what's Laura he said a lot of not that you cannot bring the owner from what's Laura you could but it only starts when you come into our distress and comes into our distress that's when it starts and listen to this because so how do I what's Laura the right to eat he holds that how do I you hear this is meaning how do I in America and in England is a lot of the McNees we say him how do I call McNees we say him every place McNees we say him any place you live the is my view how do I means and when you come to our distress it starts the given the right to eat I don't know I don't know I don't know and and since it's a lot of since America what's Laura is a lot of so therefore I have a connection to the owner and I could also bring the owner from what's Laura that's what he's saying since it's a lot of in what's Laura and it's a lot of in our distress so that means our distress what's Laura are the same for the issue so it's the same for the issue then it's the same for bringing for the owner so I could actually bring the owner from what's Laura it's has to be connected has to have a chance says the I don't know we learned in over there by the show them show me speak him the show me I don't know how do I show me all of so it goes like this we we need to bring the owner every single year including the year of the I don't know how to plant barley on so what do you do so if there is show me show me means you have barley that grew by itself you didn't plant it it's after I don't want people to come and grab it cuz they come and grab it now you're not going to have barley for the so what do you do you put the guards to watch it and who pays them the show me I don't know let me just show you what show me I don't know what's show me I don't know that every which we start collecting the show so that we have money for the sheep and whatever is left over goes for the building of the is okay so since this is for the carbon in the this is for the owner so we pay these these guards from the show me I don't know show me show me I don't know show me show me I don't know I don't know we learned show me speak him the show me I don't know show me we just learned that the watcher gets his money from the show me I don't know I don't know I don't know how how could you take this wheat from the show me wheat the show me barley how could you use it it says in the possible of law, could only eat it and not burn it and the Omer goes on the on the Mizbeach and it's burned. Omar El Rachmana, Omar El Rachmana, Omar. Omar Lo Achla D'Or Seichem. It says by the Omer it should be for all generations, but I'm still bottle. What do you want? You want it to to not happen? You want them not to bring the Omer this year? This is what we need to do in order to bring the Omer. We have to watch the Sefichim. Omar Le Umika Min Annoti Bottle. I never said it should be completely bottle and not not be done at all. Leis Emen D'Shitot All I said is they should bring it from last year's. Bring an older one that doesn't that's not from Sefichim. The year before Shmita that was mutar to use. Says the Gemara, "How could you bring that?" But Einoch Karmel Aval Leika. We learned Karmel. Remember the word Karmel means Rach Umol. Says in the Torah Karmel and I take the word as a new trickon. It's a What did he say it is? He was brother Aaron said a word. He said um synonym uh No, there's a There's a machlokes is what it was and he's he had the best word. I like this word. Anyway, no. Karmel Aval Leika. We got Yitzi Shields here, Reb Yitzchak. Yitzi Shields. Einoch Karmel Aval Leika. Says the Gemara, "Leis Emen Karmel D'Shitot." Okay, so bring Karmel. Bring something that was soft last year. Says the Gemara, "Omar Kro Karmel Takrif. Reb Elazar Omer Reishis Tzircha." It has to be nice and soft when you bring it today. And therefore, I your your idea of bringing last year's crap is not good. It needs to be soft now, not soft last year. Itmar. Let me just make sure I'm not missing anything. Oh. Oh Okay, it's coming up. Reb Yochanan Omer Karmel Takrif. Reb Elazar Omer Reishis Tzircha. So we have two sources. Reb Yochanan says you have to bring the new crop because it has to be soft Karmel. Reb Elazar Omer Reishis Tzircha. Reishis Tzircha Aval Sof Tzircha. It has to be the beginning of the of the crop, but not the end. Moishe Rabbeinu as Rabbeinu Takrif Minchas Bikurim. The Minchas Omer comes from the D'Omer. Says, "If you bring the Mincha of the Bikurim," talking about the Omer. Meichan Eba? What do you bring the the Mincha? So this is a Sugya we had already. Minchas Omer. The Mincha must be brought from barley. At Omer Minchas Omer Minchas Minchas Perhaps it should be from wheat. Reb Elazar Omer Nemar Aviv B'Mitzrayim. Nemar Aviv L'Doros. Oh, let me just see the Pasuk first. Famous Pasuk. V'Ha Pishta V'Ha Sora Nu Kosos. So when it talks about the barley Ki Ha Sora Aviv V'Ha Pishta Give Oil. So the word Aviv in reference to the barley. >> [music] >> Reb Elazar Omer Nemar Aviv B'Mitzrayim Nemar Aviv L'Doros. It says the of the word Aviv by the Omer. Ma Aviv B'Mitzrayim Sora Just like by Mitzrayim says it's Sora in the same Pasuk as it says Aviv. Af Aviv L'Doros. So too when it comes to the Omer and a bottle of Minchas Omer must be from barley. Reb Akiva Omer Matzinu Yochid Shemeivi Minchas Minchas We find that an individual brings a Mincha when he has to Let's say he's a Chaita. Minchas Chaita. Umeivi Minchas Omer Minchas Sota. Whose husband warned her not to be Misyacha with another man. So she has to bring a Mincha. Part of the process is a Mincha. Brings it from barley. So you have an individual brings wheat and an individual brings barley. D'Tzibur. If you recall this Gemara we just had it like less than 20 days or 15 days ago. D'Tzibur Meivi Minchas Minchas Meivi Minchas Minchas Omer. So too the community sometimes they bring their the the Mincha from wheat which is on Shavuos it's wheat. Umeivi Minchas Minchas Omer. And when does the community bring from Sora? Must be it's the barley of the Omer. Im Ato Omer Minchas Now if you say that the Omer is from wheat. Now both the Sh'tei Lechem on Shavuos is wheat and it's wheat. And the the Omer is wheat. So now you don't have a situation where the community has to bring from barley. Reb Elazar Omer Meivi Minchas Minchas So must be says Reb Akiva that the Omer is brought from barley. Like this you have an individual brings from wheat and the in in the the individual brings from barley. The Tzibur brings from wheat and the Tzibur brings from barley. What's the barley from the Tzibur? The Omer. D'Vacha Karmel P'shat. Im Ato Omer Omer Bo Minchas If you If you say that the Omer comes from wheat Ein Sh'tei Lechem Bikurim. So this is the P'shat that we wanted to touch upon. This P'shat. That what? It comes out Bikur means it must be the the first the first crop. What's Bikurim? You bring the Shiv'as Minim. The first thing that grows, the first pomegranate that pops out of the tree, you bring it to the Beis Hamikdash. Now, Im Ato Omer Omer Bo Minchas Omer with the Aleph and Omer with the Ayin. If you say that the Minchas Omer comes from wheat, we have a problem. Why? Ein Sh'tei Lechem Bikurim. Because Omer comes first on Pesach, the second day of Pesach. And the Sh'tei Lechem comes 49 days later on Shavuos. Now if the Omer came from wheat and the Sh'tei Lechem is from wheat, then the Sh'tei Lechem is not the first time that you saw the wheat. It's not the Bikurim of wheat. The first time that you brought wheat to the Beis Hamikdash was the second day of Pesach. It's a problem. Sh'tei Lechem is supposed to be the first time you see this wheat. Alma Mishum Bikurim Omer. Oh, so you're telling me that according to Reb Yosi and Reb Yochanan What did Reb Yochanan say? Karmel. Let me just show you the thing. We'll go back there just for a second. He says the whole the the whole the whole thing is it has to be How do I know that it has to be um barley because Karmel has to be soft. Not Not How do you know that it's barley? But how do you know it has to be from the new the new crop because it has to be soft? No, it has to be new crop because it has to be Bikurim. Tiyuvta. In fact, the Kasha on Reb Yochanan. Not also Ein Meivin Bikurim Chutz Mishiv'as Minim. Bikurim is only from the seven Minim. Eretz Chitos Sora V'Gefen U'T'eina V'Rimon Eretz Zeis Shamen U'Dvash means dates. Gevaldig. It has to be from these seven Minim not from other fruit. Not from apples and oranges etc. Oh, and also V'Lo Im T'marim Sheb'Harim. Not even dates that grow on the mountain top. Such as this. >> [snorts] >> V'Lo Im Perish B'Amokim Ela From Fruit That Grows In The Valley. Why? Because Rashi says that the T'marim that grow up high they're they're very sweet. They're too sweet. They're too good. You hear this? They're too good. B'Daled Minim D'Beis. And not Perish B'Amokim because you have you have wheat that grows in the valley, it's not good at all. Omar Ulla. We have to remember the Sugya Im Heivi Lo Kidesh. If you brought dates, even though it's from the Shiv'as Minim, but it grew on the mountain top, Lo Kidesh is no good. Yosi Reb Avahu Omer Lo Hochmaitza Is Reb Avahu Reb Avahu Reb Avahu. Korban Reishis. It says by the Sh'tei Lechem it says Korban Reishis. Sh'tei Reishis D'Chol Minachos. The Sh'tei Lechem should be number one, the first first. The first Mincha. V'Chein Omer Ba'Kri Minchas Hadasha Shem B'Shavuoseichem. Ein Ela Chadasha Chitim. Chadasha Shel Sora Minayin? So there's a number of P'shatim here. We're going to go with the P'shat. How do you know that the Minchas a Minchas Omer any Mincha of Sora like the Mincha of the Sota doesn't come before the regular Omer which is Sora? In other words, just like the Sh'tei Lechem which comes from wheat is the number one Mincha of wheat. And only after you bring that could you bring the other wheat of that crop. So too the Mincha of Sora meaning the the the the Omer is the number one Mincha for all Minachos. Tam L'Omer Chadasha Chadasha says Chadasha twice. Ein Meino Ein Ela Chadasha Chitim. I don't need it that it should be the the Chitim has to be first the wheat has to be first. Ein Ela Chadasha Sora. The the the Omer is the first Mincha of barley. U'Minayin Sh'tei Koidmos D'Bikurim? Now we're going back to the Sh'tei Lechem. The Sh'tei Lechem the two breads on Shavuos have to be before you bring the fruit, the Bikurim. Tam L'Omer D'Chag Shavuos First Chag Shavuos Ta'aseh L'cha. And then only afterwards Bikurim Tzir Chitim. First the Sh'tei Lechem that comes for Shavuos and only afterwards let's take care of the bikkurim. V'ein lo bikkurim k'tzitzit. Okay? So, later, I'll know that the bikkurim the bikkurim of wheat comes after the shtei halechem cuz it's also wheat. So, wheat and wheat, the shtei halechem comes first, the wheat of bikkurim, you're bringing bikkurim in your basket, wheat, that comes after the the shtei halechem. K'tzitz sa'ir minayin? How do I know that when I have sa'irum have barley in the Here. Look. In the shiv'at haminim, we have chittah u'se'orah. One and two. One and two. So, sa'ir is barley. How do I know that when I bring barley as a bikkurim, it's also after the shtei halechem, which is wheat? Tamar lomar b'chag hakatzir bikkurei ma'aseh chechol asher tizra basadeh. B'chag hakatzir shavu'ot bikkurei ma'aseh asher tizra basadeh. It comes the chag shavu'ot, the chag hakatzir shavu'ot where the shtei halechem comes first. V'ein lo asher tizra. It says in the pasuk asher tizra that you planted. And what if you didn't plant it? What if it grew by itself? O meleim minayin? Tamar lomar basadeh. Anything that came up in the field, even s'feikim, things that came by itself. B'eileh basadeh minayin? Amar Rabi Shimon ben Gamliel, o. How do I know to include something that grew on the rooftop? Here we go. >> [music] >> Mishum b'churvah. Let me see if I have a churvah here. This one. Okay? Oh. Mishum atzitz. And something that's in a pot. We're going to go into the churvah and into the pot. There's different types of pots, different types of churvah. Mishum asfinah on on a ship. How do you know all that comes after I bring the shtei halechem? Tamar lomar bikkurei kol asher ba'aretz. Anything that's on in the land. It says in the Gemara, "Minayin shtei halechem u'minayin s'chachim u'perasim u'gefinim?" How do I know that the shtei halechem should be before the wine and all the other perasim u'gefinim? Let's see. Go back to this pasuk. To'einah, rimon. Maybe gefen, also. Well, I I wrote over here that has to do with the date and the zayit. I'm not sure why I wrote those. That was last cycle. But anyways, perasim u'gefinim from the shiv'at haminim that grow on a tree. How do you know kan bikkurei ma'aseh chechol u'nema l'eilam b'ospecha ma'aseh chechol min hasadeh. Now, interesting, we must see this pasuk inside because it happens to be that's the same exact pasuk. B'chag hakatzir bikkurei ma'aseh chechol. It says in the word ma'aseh chechol in this pasuk in the beginning, which is referring to shavu'ot. And then b'eileh l'eilam b'ospecha ma'aseh chechol min hasadeh. It says later on at the second the last part of the pasuk, as well as ma'aseh chechol, is referring to, believe it or not, sukkot. M'eileh l'eilam s'chachim u'perasim u'gefinim. Just like in the beginning of the pasuk, it's referring to the s'chachim af kan s'chachim u'perasim u'gefinim. Sorry. Just like the end of the pasuk in sukkot is referring to all the types of fruit, so too in the beginning of the pasuk in shavu'ot is also talking about all types of fruit. The shtei halechem comes first. Asks the Gemara, K'tonim mi'oh sh'b'gag, sh'b'churvah, sh'b'atzitz, sh'b'asfinah. It says that you're allowed to bring bikkurim in from a rooftop, from a ship. Just don't bring it before shtei halechem, but you're allowed to bring it. So, before she's allowed to bring it, just don't What What position? Number two. It comes after you bring the shtei halechem. Asks the Gemara, so how could you tell me that the top words of this Talmud, t'marim sh'b'harim is no good? How could How could Ulla say that if you bring it like kiddush, it's not even it has no kedushah? If you I bring wheat that grew on a ship, it's okay. So, certainly if if I bring a date that grew on a a mountain top, it should be okay. Says the Gemara, "Seifa son'im minachos." This that we said that it's no good, I'm sorry. This that we said that it's okay, minacha, it's it's referring to minachos. But for bikkurim, it's takka assur. The Gemara is making enough difference between minachos and bikkurim. We're not talking about bikkurim. Your whole question was on Ulla, how do you say How does Ulla say that if you bring a date that grew on a mountain top is assur? Here we see that it's talking that it's muttar. No, that's talking about a mincha. A mincha. Mas u'matan d'Rabba bar Avuha u'Rabi Yochanan u'Rabi Elazar kol tarbei beis Yisrael If you're telling me that it's talking about a mincha, so how could the pasuk say kol tarbei beis Yisrael l'chayei? That everybody could eat this mincha. The mincha is only for Kohanim. The mincha only a male Kohen could eat a mincha, not a female. Amar Rabi Shimon ben Gamliel, "Trei k'ra'ei k'sivin." It's There's two parts of the pasuk. First part says k'siv l'chayei. Let me see if I have it over here. Yes. Two parts of the pasuk. Bikkurei bikkurei kol asher ba'aretz asher yavi'u l'Hashem l'chayei kol tarbei beis Yisrael l'chayei. It's the same pasuk, but part number one in red, it says l'chayei, only to you, the zachar Kohen. And part number two, l'kol tarbei beis Yisrael l'chayei, anybody who's tarbei in your house could eat it, even a ishah and a keivah. So, k'siv l'chayei, u'k'siv kol tarbei beis Yisrael l'chayei. Okay, said, how do we do this? If everybody could eat it, why does it say l'chayei only only a zachar? Kan b'bikkurim. Bikkurim, everybody could eat. Kan b'minachos, only a zachar. V'Rabi Shimon ben Gamliel b'minachos. V'seifa d'k'ra asur lachmei todah. Says Rabi Shimon ben Gamliel, the whole pasuk is talking about a mincha, not bikkurim and mincha, just minachos. But we're talking about lachmei todah. The four breads that you must give as t'rumah gedolah. That a woman could eat. But a regular mincha, a woman cannot eat. Says the Gemara, let me just make sure here. Okay? Rabi Yochanan u'Reish Lakish b'Reish Lakish This This halacha that we said, the top words b't'marim sh'b'harim, whether or not you're allowed to use dates that grow on top of a mountain is actually machlokes Amora'im. Rabi Yochanan omer maybe like kiddush, u'Reish Lakish omer maybe kiddush. Rabi Yochanan says like Ulla that if you bring these dates from the top of the mountain, it doesn't have kedushah. U'Reish Lakish says it has kedushah. Why? He explains. Nazik k'kochev b'kodashim. If one was to bring a very skinny, emaciated animal, it's kodesh. It's a terrible thing. It's against the pasuk that says that you shouldn't bring You wouldn't do it for your um for the ruler. Okay, but it it it the kedushah grabs onto it. So, to over here, you shouldn't bring this date, but the kedushah grabs. Reish Lakish omer ta'ama. Reish Lakish brings a good reason. U'Rabi Yochanan omer ta'ama. Why does Rabi Yochanan say that it's not kodesh? Amar Rabi Elazar, chazai b'chalom." Says Rabi Elazar, "I saw in my dream, and therefore milta d'ali l'sami na." I knew when I saw a gadol hador like Rabi Yochanan in my dream, I knew he was going to say a gibbul d'gibbul shat. The what? Amar k'ra, "Mei'aretzcha v'lo kol aretzcha." Mei'aretzcha means from the some of the fruit, meaning some, only the best of the best, the shiv'at haminim, but not all fruit. Mei'aretzcha v'lo kol aretzcha. And this comes to teach us from your land, but not all your land. High mountains are no good for dates. Reish Lakish chai aretzcha mei'avdeiha. Rabi Yochanan learns from aretzcha that you cannot use dates that grow on a mountain, but Reish Lakish says dates that grow on a mountain are okay. So, what does he do with aretzcha? They both learn it from Rabi Yochanan Rabi Rabi Yochanan nema kan aretz, u'nema l'eilam aretz. It says by bikkurim the word aretz. It says later on by Yisrael aretz. M'eileh l'eilam sh'ba'aretz. It's the best of the best, the shiv'at haminim. Af kan sh'ba'aretz. So, that's where Reish Lakish gets before Rabi Yochanan learned it mei'aretzcha v'lo kol aretzcha. He learns it from aretz. The word has to be shiv'at haminim. V'Reish Lakish aretz mei'aretz. And where does Rabi Yochanan aretz mei'aretz. From From within the word mei'aretz, he also has the word aretz. V'Reish Lakish mei'aretz, Reish Lakish doesn't learn aretz mei'aretz. Tani chada. Let me just pause here for a second. Um S'tam, how do we know that bikkurim is shiv'at haminim? You got it. Tani chada. Sh'b'gag, sh'b'churvah, sh'b' Let's do a little bit more. Fine. >> [snorts] >> On the one hand it says that if you get produce that grew on a rooftop or in a ruins or in a path or on a ship you can bring it as the and you read all the book. Another place it says that you can bring it as but it's not good enough to read. Read the book. According to who says that if you bring inferior product it grabs. So I'm going to say that there's two types of roofs. There's a roof. Here we go. This is a regular roof which is no good. You cannot bring you cannot read the book from this roof. But this is a roof of a cave. I just want to focus because he goes right past it but here you see the opening it's a cave. So what he's saying is so what if it's a cave? The maze is ground on top it's real ground. It's not a rooftop. And it's considered regular where you could read all the book. Who are the guys who and you don't ask me a question from one you could oops regular this one you can not you cannot read but this where he plowed it and and he did the work you could read. Who are the guys who the the you could read the book of the it's good but you cannot read the book. What's the what's the and when I have the question about the two different parts? No, simple. One has a hole and therefore it nurses from the ground and therefore you can say the and when it doesn't have the hole so doesn't nurse from the ground so you cannot read the book. Okay, and the next one is the next one is the next We have a wooden boat. So you see you don't see like the there's different ones that are attached to the ground. So you have a this doesn't nurse from the ground but if it's made out of made out of earthenware so then it does nurse from the ground it's like a knuckle and therefore there are those who say that you know it doesn't even have to be attached to the ground. Okay, let's finish the rest. We're going to learn that it touches the ground. Okay. Who says that when you have inferior products? When we have them the dates that grow on the mountain top are no good. So how in the world could you make a bring these things as if they grew on the rooftop they grew on a on a on a on a ship. How are you going to bring it? Forget about reading the book. You're not reading the book. It's probably problematic according to the book. This is the guy who maybe the one time it says if it grew on the on the rooftop and in a ruins you could bring and read the book. And over here it says and it may be good. But if it grew in a in a path or on a on a ship you can't. You see so there's a boy I hope to have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit is close to spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. Mdy.sponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.