CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 82 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning rap boy sigh. Who do you trust in me? Who do you trust in me more than I? Live from Chicago area on we're going to just go stick right to it. It's going to nothing but the daf. Today is nothing but the daf. In a very big picture of the whole way. We're holding on daf page base amud aleph and we are holding eight lines from the top. Omar Rebbi Ami, "Hamatzfis Mois Ma'aser Sheini l'Shlamim." I want to remind all of you, if you have 100 fruit, so you take two fruit and you give it to trumah. You take 10 fruit, let's say, from whatever's left over, you take 2% the trumah. From whatever's left over, 98 fruits, you take 10% of that, 9.8, let's call it 10 fruit and you give that to the Levi. The Levi takes one out of the 10 that he just got, which is 10%, and he gives that to the kohen. That's trumas ma'aser. You take another 10% from whatever's left and give it to yourself on years 1, 2, 4, 5 and that's called ma'aser sheini. On years three three and six, you give ma'aser ani. Here you go, this is what ma'aser sheini looks like in a video. He could redeem it for money. That's what we're talking about today. That money, what do you do with that money? So you could either go to Yerushalayim and buy fruit with it, buy meat with it, buy food, go to a restaurant, go to salads. Oh, what if you take this money, "Hamatzfis Mois Ma'aser Sheini l'Shlamim." He says, "I set it aside for shlamim." You're permitted to to buy shlamim with with this money. You're permitted to buy an animal shlamim. You're not permitted to buy an animal, but you're permitted to buy shlamim. What if you put the money aside for shlamim, like on shlamim, the the money does not become shlamim. Almost just as a muscle. Ain issur chalah issur, you can't put one issur on top of another issur. Over here, you can't put one kedushah on top of another kedushah. The money is kodesh b'kedushas ma'aser sheini, so you cannot make this money shlamim. Mai ta'ama d'lo ya'alim kedushas shlamim l'mechal kedushas ma'aser sheini? The kedushah of shlamim cannot pop itself on this money. It's again, it's money. You're not buying shlamim. You're putting this money aside for shlamim. So one kedushah is not chaber. Maysei, I have a question. When you have money, ma'aser sheini money, you're not allowed to buy an animal for yourself to eat it, steaks. Certainly, you're not allowed to buy chayah. A chayah is a is a deer, venison, right? Maysei, "Haligach chayo l'zevach shlamim?" You take this ma'aser sheini money and you buy venison, you buy a deer, a chayah. No good. Cuz you're thinking that it's a shlamim and there's no shlamim made out of deer. Shlamim has to be a sheep. "U've'heima l'vsar ta'avah." And you buy an animal for yourself, for ta'avah, for steak. That's also no good. You could only buy shlamim with animal. If you buy a beheima for shlamim, that's okay. Not a beheima for ta'avah and not a chayah for shlamim cuz a chayah cannot be shlamim. "L'yotzei ha'or l'chulin." So if you bought an animal for shlamim, you bought you took the ma'aser sheini money, you bought a shlamim, that's okay. And immediately the hide, the or, the kedushah leaves it and becomes chulin. But if you bought a venison, bought a deer for shlamim, then the the the the skin, the hide doesn't go to chulin. "V'chayra lav d'meima d'konesh shlamim?" Are you telling me now that the shlamim worked over here? It became shlamim? Says the Gemara, "Itzmar l'Rava, you didn't understand." "Omar Rava, l'konesh shlamim?" No, when you buy a deer, it does not become a shlamim. So then why does it say that the the the the skin doesn't become chulin? If it didn't become shlamim, why is the skin not chulin? "U'maila yotzei ha'or l'chulin?" You didn't understand. "O higama ein avodah Torah es losis ha'or l'chulin." It's nothing. It's not even in the parshah of shlamim. If you try to make a deer shlamim, nothing happens to it. Not the body of the deer becomes shlamim and not the hide. And that's what it means that the hide doesn't become chulin, meaning the deer didn't even have a any shaychus to shlamim. "Mai ta'ama?" Why? "Omar Rava, nafsik l'kachesh l'charishah." What if you took ma'aser sheini money and bought a tractor with it? Nothing happened. What if you took ma'aser sheini money and bought a bull to to to plow your field? Nothing happens. So if you buy you take ma'aser sheini money and you buy an animal, a deer, for shlamim, nothing happened. It's not. "Hamatzfis Mois Ma'aser Sheini l'Shlamim." If you take your ma'aser sheini This exact same case that we said a second ago, just from a different angle, you take the money, ma'aser sheini, and you buy shlamim or sorry, you don't buy shlamim. You put it on the side for shlamim. "Rebbi Yochanan amar kani Rebbi Elozar amrei kani." Rebbi Yochanan argues on what we said before. He says that the the matzfis, when you put the money aside for shlamim, it works. Rebbi Elozar says not. "V'al libei d'Rebbi Yehudah d'amar ma'aser momon hedyot hu." If the ma'aser sheini money is your own private possession that you could be mekadesh with it, you could do whatever you want with it. "D'chul avodah l'kegedi kahanei." Certainly you could you could set it aside to buy a shlamim. "K'fli'gei where is machlokes? Al libei d'Rebbi Meir." Only according to Rebbi Meir, "D'amar ma'aser momon d'Gevohah hu." The ma'aser sheini money is considered a holy Kodesh Baruch Hu's money and you cannot be mekadesh with it. You can't do what you want with it. "Meilo man d'amar l'koni Rebbi Meir." So obviously if you hold l'koni in Rebbi Meir, you could say poshut, I hold like Rebbi Meir. And and he says it's not your money to buy a shlamim, to set aside for shlamim. Why? Because it's already ma'aser sheini money and and and you can't you can't add another kedushah on top of the ma'aser sheini. "U'man d'amar l'koni, if you hold that it's momon d'Gevohah, but it still works on shlamim, why?" "K'ivan d'ma'aser korlei shlamim." Since I could buy shlamim with it, "K'matzfis d'na'ami tofis." I I could go ahead and buy the korban straight out with this money. So if I set it aside for the korban, it also works. Maysei, I have a question. "Hamatzfis Mois Ma'aser Sheini l'Shlamim." "K'shu poidan." Let's think about this. I set aside ma'aser sheini money to buy a shlamim. Now anytime I want to redeem ma'aser sheini, anything ma'aser sheini, if I want to redeem it myself as the owner, I have to add 25% penalty. What's it called in English? 25% surcharge. Uh what? Surcharge. Surcharge. Some sort of surcharge. Now if I'm redeeming this ma'aser sheini money that I set aside to buy shlamim, what kind of surcharge do I have to pay? "B'chayra 25%?" No, over here it says you have to pay 50%. Why? "K'shu poidan ma'aser v'alav shnei chumshin." Two times 25%. Why? "Echad l'hegdesh, echad l'ma'aser." One because I'm redeeming ma'aser sheini. The other one is because I made it into a shlamim. I I set it aside for shlamim. So for that itself, I have to I have to I have to pay another 25%. So you see that by setting aside money, ma'aser sheini money, for hegdesh, it actually for shlamim, it actually works. You told me it doesn't work. Says the Gemara, "Very good. We already said it's machlokes." "Bislamah d'Rebbi Akiva, amanei Rebbi Yehudah." According to Rebbi Yehudah, you're allowed to set aside ma'aser sheini money for shlamim. And that's why you have when you redeem it, you have to pay another 25% according to Says the Mishnah, "Man d'ein lo ma'aser rishon l'koidom." A person says, "I want to bring a todah. A tremendous nice happened to me, I want to bring a todah." So now you have a chiyuv to bring. "Sh'lo yavi ela min chulin." You could only you you cannot use ma'aser sheini money, you have to use your own private money. How do I know this? The boy say, "Listen to this, it's a kiss from Hashem." "Tam l'lo im ha'rezuv achto Pesach." "Lashem Elohecha tzon u'vakar." You should check. Korban Pesach out of sheep and out of cattle. Now the big question is, everybody knows they cannot bring a korban Pesach made out of a cow. Korban Pesach is a sheep, a goat, not a not a cow. "V'al Pesach ein bo ela min ha'kvasim u'min ha'izim." "Eivah matana min tzon u'vakar." Why does it say in the Torah bakar? "L'hakeish korban b'heima min tzon u'min bakar l'Pesach." Because to tell us a hekeish when in another case, when you're allowed to bring a cow, to be similar to the Pesach. "Mah Pesach d'veheima u'v'chulin u'min ha'bakar min chulin." Just like korban Pesach, you have to buy your money, which the Gemara is going to establish. How do I know that? "Af korban d'veheima min ha'bakar ela min chulin." So too, anytime that I have to bring it, like this korban todah that I promised that I'm going to bring, it has to be from chulin, says the Mishnah. "Rebbi Yochanan amar, ela l'koidah, ela l'shlamim." If somebody promises a todah or shlamim, "O ilu bo min chayev l'haviyu ela min chulin." Therefore, if you're mechuyav to bring it, you have to bring it from your own money, like a korban Pesach. "U'l'sacham b'chol makom." But the the wines that you bring together with the with the korbanos, "Lo yavi'u ela min chulin." You have to bring it from chulin. As the Gemara "Pesachim menolan." We're learning todah that it's a chiyuv that you accepted by yourself to bring a todah, we're learning from korban Pesach. But how do you know korban Pesach has to be brought bought with your own holy money. "D'sani Rebbi Elozar, omer The first the very very first time Christ rule did Pesach in Israel. And we're going to learn to the rest of the generations. You cannot buy. How come you can't buy a carbon Pesach in Israel the very first Pesach in Israel with my second money? Cuz there was no my second money. There's no my second yet in Israel. So it's a lot of it's a little not fair. Cuz how you going to learn all the generations from something that's not possible? You how can you learn from it's just it's a technical technical thing that there's no my second money. Okay, I could buy them we learn from there. Just like Pesach in Israel there's no you had to buy from your own money not from my second money. So too the rest of the generations you have to buy from your own private money not from my second money. How could I learn something that's impossible something that's possible from something that's impossible? It's impossible to to to to to to use my second money in Israel cuz there's no my second money. You have to show even though you're right you can't do it in Israel right even in my memory. That's the source for for current Pesach. That's the main that's the first time. It's a great source. Says the Gamara so he says you know what let me tell you another reason why you can't learn from the first Pesach. There was no bear in There's no bear in Israel. If there's no bear in Israel there's no you don't take the the the the kidneys and the covered and the skirts they can put it on top of the bear. There's no bear. And there's also no money. Oh, there's no money so that's why maybe you have to buy with your own money. It's not you can't learn one from the other says because for the rest of the generations we had a bear. Even the second year we had a bear. So comes and says I have a question. I'll just show you the question. Coming into Israel. So we have a question between going into Israel and in Israel. The what? So this is it says in the first question. It's a full month worth of work. For what? Now you see why he said this my son. So that all the void is says should be like the first Pesach. And just like the first Pesach was no my second and you couldn't buy with my second money you had to buy it with your own private money. So too all generations you cannot buy a carbon Pesach with my second money only with your own money. Ask the Gamara. What's going on here? He said he asked a bomb question. How could I learn our day Pesach from the first Pesach in Israel when there's no connection? The first Pesach in Israel there's no my second money. So of course there's no you had to buy from your own money. There's no such thing as my second money. So then if it's true if that why did he have to come up with another type? That's why maybe you could learn you could use my second money to buy the carbon Pesach. That's why he answered no I have a question. from Pesach of future generations to the first Pesach. Ask the Gamara what is the question? We just answered the question. What are you asking me that there's no on the first on the first Pesach? Okay. [clears throat] The second Pesach. Second Pesach there was a and there was no my second money. Let's learn from there. Says the reason why he didn't ask him that is he's going back the way he was going. He was talking to him according to his he was talking to him according to his in his way. According to me I don't have I anyway hold that I that I could learn future generations from the first Pesach even though in the future generations there is my second in the first generation there was never my second. And you're going to ask me this question of that that there was a Pesach in Israel. The what? Pesach in Israel. You're going to ask me from the first Pesach? No, the second Pesach is going to prove it. But according to you you say you cannot learn future generations but okay you can't learn future generations but I have a question this is impossible. You could learn future generations from the first Pesach that you cannot use my second money to buy carbon Pesach. So the Gamara how come should ask okay at the end of the day in other words there are many in Pesach. So yes is a good question according to you but that you should only use for 90% of the but something that's impossible that it was technically not possible in the first year for that don't learn. Don't learn the my second part. Learn all the other parts. You have to you have to roast it you have to do this whatever you have to have all these carbon Pesach. The that you can't use my second money is not fair. It's not fair. Why because there's no my second money then? Why didn't he ask him that? The reason is because once you have a question about that so it doesn't matter if it's fair or not fair. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Once you have a question you learn it. Some of you shouldn't learn because a question is like a question. I got it from my I got it from I got it from said there's a question there's no questions on a question. Some argue it's only a not a question. Okay. Says the Gamara and in they said so why is it called because they um they they hit the they hit with in Hebrew is a of a tiger. You ever heard such a no tiger. I I I hit the tiger. So it's a of a base matter. And in they said question question. So check this out. Sorry. On the screen. What am I learning? I'm learning from the very very first Pesach in Israel the to to to all future generations that what? You cannot use my second money to buy carbon Pesach. Oh, and from that I'm going to learn I'm going to continue the the other carbons. What's the question that we just had yesterday? The middle one I'm learning from a question. So it doesn't have the the ability to teach other things. What's the question? The middle one Pesach which I learned with a question it has the power it's a it's a it's a student. The student doesn't have the power to teach. He said a general question. The what? I'm going to take the two the middle one and the one on the right the two Pesach I'm making them one. They're all the partial of Pesach. And once I have a partial of Pesach okay you're right one I learned from the other but there's a general concept of Pesach and from that general concept of Pesach I know that you can't use my second for Pesach. So too red the carbons the world I can't use for my second money to buy those carbons. Oh. And now we have a very, very simple tomorrow. Rebbe Akiva Pesachim and how does Rebbe Akiva know that the carbon Pesach himself you can't buy from my second money after you use your own private money. Now the Mishnah Mishnah Zois haTorah. There's a famous possuk and I'll show you the video. But first, the the possuk. What's it say in the possuk? Zois haTorah. This is These are the rules. Pesach Shelamim on Pesach we're going to sing it. Yeah, I'm going to show you the video. The question is each one of these has a possuk that says Zois haTorah. Zois haTorah is a chattos. You just had the other day. Zois haTorah is a mincha. Zois haTorah is a this. So, why is the Torah repeated so many times Zois haTorah from each word we're going to have to learn something. The oilah word, the mincha, the chattos. And that's how we're going to learn tomorrow, not today, how Rebbe Akiva learns that you cannot buy a carbon Pesach from my second money. But let's just see the video first and then we're going to learn some of the stuff. >> [music] [music] >> Okay. So, what I learn from the first word oilah. Ma oilah tzurich kli, just like oilah needs a vessel. I've called tzurich ton kli. All carbons need a kli. Ma yi, what's the kli? Eilu you tell me something like this, you know, this this cup a cup. It needs a cup. I mean I mean I mean I can learn that from from the Tzeva. The the the carbon that you bring on Shavuos. It doesn't matter it says over there. Hello. So, so it's then what I have to learn from oilah? I can learn from Tzeva. Else I can that I need to use a a knife on a carbon and not like a stone and not a sharp piece of wood. Oh. But the goofa min oilah how do I know that a by oilah you have to use a knife? The Rebbe said the other day this was the oilah. Avraham took the knife and he slaughtered his son. And what was Yitzchak? Was he a oilah? And Yitzchak was a oilah. It says by Vayaleihu l'oilah b'noiy. That he brought the the ram instead of his son who was a oilah. So, you see that the oilah you need a knife and so do other carbons need a knife. A boy's eye a good Yom Tov a good Moed. A good weekday, whatever it is for you. Have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the schus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shiur today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or sponsored.mdy.org.