CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 75 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning rab boys I You know you have to be more serious about morning high. We're holding the 5 dollars on the base. Call me and ask us to be clean. Two noise schloisha matonos shamen. So these are some of the minchas that we were speaking about. There's a list of 10 over here. So all the minchas that are done in a clee. But there's others that are not done in a clee. So they require three three oils. What are the three oils? I'll show you real quickly. Yitzika is the last one. It's after you already have the mincha already made. Blila is the middle one. And this is obviously the first one. There's nothing in the clee. The reason why I did it like that is cuz that's what the mishna says. The mishna says it backwards. >> [snorts] >> Yitzika number three, ublila number two, umatan shamen clee. So if we reverse it, first you put the oil in the clee, then you put the the flower. Then you do blila. So you already have you you put the flower in and you put the another oil in and you mix it up good. So that's two. And when it's done, you put the third one. >> [clears throat and cough] >> Chaloise boil on the Rebbi. So Rebbi says that when you have a a machvas umarcheshes you take the chala when it's ready done and then you pour the oil on it. The chaim no soiles. You don't you don't put the oil on when it comes out of the oven when the bread comes out of the oven. You put it on before when it's still flower. A chaloise tune is blila. Urikikin mashichas. If you look over here, number four and five I think it is. Yes, number four and five is chaloise and rikikin. This is all we had a number of discussions with Reb Shimon machloikes. Could you combine the chaloise and rikikin or you're going to have it again today? They go together. Person says he's going to bring a a nedava mapa you could mix it up the chaloise and and the and the rikikin. So says the mishna chaloise tune is blila. They need you have to do number two. Blila is number two. Urikikin mashicha. And the rikikin when you're done with it, you shmir oil on it. Katesa moishkan how do you shmir? You take a brush and go like this. Kimin key. So we're going to see in the gemara I don't want to give it away here. But >> [cough] [clears throat] >> uh question mark. What's key? So it could be a number of shitas. I'm not going to show you all of them. Some of some Rashi says in increases that's a x. Over here Rashi says it's a tes. Some people say it's a tes without that little piece. So it's really a u. It's a u it's a tes without without the top piece it's a u. And if you look the other ones are basically like u's. In choyish it says a ches. In shmois in chumish he says it's like a nun. I'm going to go through the shitas later. But kimin key listen to this. Kimin key some people say it's kimin si not key si. Yeah? Cuz it's written chof yud not kuf chof yud. So you can say si. Whatever. I'm betting the u in all these shitas. What's the shitas like a u? Like a si. The kids so you take a brush you go like this. You make it like a some sort of u. Now like a chof. The shaar the cholem whatever is left over from the oil the gyanim eats. Says gemara the mishna says kol haminochas anasis be clee. All these minchas that are done in a clee limudei mai? They need three oils. What's not done in a clee? Omra Rabba limudei minchas mapa. Any the minchas mapa doesn't get yitzika. Doesn't get number three. It gets one and two. It doesn't get the third one which is the yitzika. Tana Rabbonan the the minchas umarcheshes korbanecha soiles. Bashamen tiyosam. Says in the posuk The minchas umarcheshes korbanecha. If you're making if you bring a marcheshes soiles bashamen tiyosam. Melamed dunam matan shamen be clee. So over here you see they have to put the oil in before you even start like this. Just on the on the empty clee. This is a posuk that tells us to do that. Now we learn from korbanecha korbanecha like the lesh you dapan are just like easily limudim. Just shortly limudim and vaite gyan. Korbanecha korbanecha it says one time korbanecha by machvas. It says one time korbanecha by marcheshes. Two different types of korba of minchas. The shabbos is gyaishos. The 5 hamen on top. Marta um the shomen be clee avlalo um the shomen be clee. Just like by marcheshes we say that you put the oil on the bottom of the clee avlalo and so do by machvas. Um yitzika blila chani yitzika the kids so we have all three by both. Yeah by one you see the idea to put the oil in the beginning and by the other one you have the idea to put a number two and number three. And then you take the two psukim you combine them together you have one two three by both by marcheshes and by machvas. Next sugya. Chaloise boil on the Rebbi. The chaim soiles. Tana Rabbonan soiles blula. Melamed shimen blula soiles. So according to the tan kama you mix you mix the oil in when it's still flower. Rebbi Omer chaloise boil on no. Cuz we saw this in the mishna that you're supposed to pour the oil and mix it in when it's already a baked chaloise. Shana machaloise blula. Omru lo by the lachmei toydei number of chaloise. By the toyda how many lachmei toyda are there raboisai? 40. And over there we have shalo them shimon chaloise soiles. You can't put the oil onto the chaloise. The gemara's going to explain in a second why. Because how are you going to put a tiny amount of oil on 40 chaloise? It's just not going to work. Obviously it has to be when it's in the flower state. Kates edois you do it shamen be clee kodem lasiyoso. Benoisa first you put oil on the bottom of the clee then you pour the the noista. You pour the soiles on top you pour the flower on top. Then step number two blila benoisa shamen lay uboilila. And then you you knead it velosha and you add warm water and you knead it voifan you bake it upoisesa and then you break it up to pieces. We're going to discuss that. Benoisa shamen and then you put it for a third time it's called the yitzika. Vekoymes and you do the kmitsa. Rebbi Omer no chaloise boil on. You put the oil when it's ready baked. Shana machaloise blula shamen. Kates edois you do it. Benoisa shamen be clee kodem lasiyoso. Benoisa Okay that he agrees to the chaim that you put oil step number one you put oil. Belosha voiva upoisesa. Over here he argues he says before you get to step number two to oil number two you do the kneading you bake it you break it up in the pieces. Benoisa shamen and then after you pull it out of the oven you do the second shamen. This is where he argues with the chaim. Chaim say do the oil the second oil before putting it up. Here he says interesting now you have a ready made bread and you're pouring oil on it. The chais benoisa shamen vekoymes. It's my mishna in Florida these mosquitoes biting me up like crazy. E kam Rebbi Omra Rabbonan Rebbi mai? Oh. What's pshat? Yeah. Stupid mosquitoes. What's pshat that Rebbi says I'm sorry Rabbonan say to Rebbi you can't pour the oil on a toyda. There's 40 breads on a toyda. What do you can't pour the oil on a toyda? Says gemara I'll tell you why. You know how much you know how much flower the toyda has? Over 30 pounds of flower. 30 pounds of flower. Plus you have to add water. Whatever else you add. It's a lot. And then you take you come out I don't know how many chaloise you can make out of 30 pounds but it's a lot. And then you're going to take a reviis of wine. A reviis is less than what's in this cup. It's what you yoitza the shiyur on on pesach on the leil aseider. Something like this. You think this amount of oil and put it on 30 pounds of of flower not dough of flower not ready to make chaloise on it. If you take if you have 30 pounds of flower I don't know how much that is in pounds of chala. 30 pounds of flower is probably I don't know 40 pounds of of chala comes out of it. Cuz you're adding a lot of water. No? I don't know. Yeah. Okay fine. So says the gemara Yeah could be a lot more who knows. Yeah but uh Oh. So therefore it's impossible that you put the oil on on ready made chala. Aichin is chalikis the chaim chaloise. So must be that you pour it into the you have a giant bowl of flower and you pour it in a reviis of oil. That I can hear. Next sugya. Chaloise tune is blila urikikin mashicha. Tana Rabbonan chaloise blulois. Step number two is the second portion of oil. Veloi urikikin blulin. The blila number two oil doesn't go under a kicking only goes on challahs. Yeah. Boys I hear this a kicking. We said it's the same ingredients but one comes out much softer the one on the right because you put it in a deep dish. Chicago deep dish pizza yeah deep dish. And the kicking is flat dish. New York flat dish. That's the pizza I eat. Places I don't know about this deep dish stuff they have there. The oil you kicking blue in. She have a lot of you doing I can think the best it's kind of like If a challah the one on the right You don't do machine what's machine? To to do some sort of letter on it. Let's call it a cough. There's no cough at the end. To what you do you have to pour oil step number two is oil. The kicking the ones on the left she doing the machine you have to do a cough on it and you didn't you doing the oil certainly you should have to do step number two. Have a little bit of oil. Challah is blue oil the oil you kicking blue in. Challah is get step number two the kicking don't get step number two. And by the way the kicking have something special that the challahs don't have. The kicking get you you draw a letter on it called the machine. And they don't get the oil you kicking blue in. I'm sorry and then the challahs don't get a machine. Same simple kind of oil. I have a simple kind of oil. The oil you kicking she don't do the oil you kicking she don't do the machine a rocky that doesn't get step number two of the oil. Yeah you should smear oil on it. Called machine challahs don't do the oil you kicking blue in. So challahs that do need step number two of oil and this don't do the machine certainly should have to smear the oil. The oil you kicking blue in kicking and she doing the oil you kicking blue in. Challah is machine oil. Okay my Talmud. Why don't you just mix it all together and say they both need machine and they both need blue oil. Oh my rabba. The oil you kicking she don't do the oil you kicking blue in. Challah is machine oil the oil you kicking she don't do the oil The passage never mixed it up. Every single time the passage says Challah is blue oil. That's the lotion. We had something similar once. That how do you know that a a baby oil are the the babies and the toy oil are the older ones and the answer is because the toy oil never mixes it up. The toy oil always calls the baby oil. Never oil you doing and never baby toy oil. It's always baby oil you doing and toy oil. So I may know we know that the the oil you doing is the smaller one the babies and the toy oil are the the bigger ones. So we are also the toy oil always says challah is blue oil. So I know challahs are the ones that get step number two. And it says the kicking she doing so that they always get the machine. Next sugia. So how do you do it? What do you smear on top? Okay a key. Like a mini key. So the over here mini key mini key money. Like a a Greek key. What's this? So start over here and work our way down. What is what does it look like? So over here we have four sheets. Rashi over here says like a test. I said before some even say that's not a real test you take off the top so it looks more like a test. Upside down test. Rashi says it's a noon. So basically it's like a like a cough. It's like a noon. A noon is a little smaller fine. Rashi says it's a test and Rashi increases his it's a hey X. The the ram says X in one place and another place. Some people want to say that he says it's really a cough and he put it X over it. I don't know something like that. But I could put it on the ram. The ram says X the arm says it's a V. Chumash. And according to this it's a gimel. It says over here it says it's a cough. Oh. Here's E of oil you doing. No it's it's it's a revious. Is this showing you the amount of challah the 40 breads right? It's it's four different types of bread a total of 40. With that tiny amount of shamen how you going to it absorbs it you're not going to be able to smear it on all of them. You all. Says the tomorrow to oil you kicking blue in kicking. I believe this is where I saw Rashi back then. I didn't look. I could put it by then cuz we were debating if it means literally mix of five and five or could be eight challahs and two kicking for total of 10. So you said yeah it could be eight and two. The oil you doing always calls it mix of mix. So if you have 50 50 you have 50% challahs and 50% kicking maybe look shamen I tell you you bring one look of oil and you divide it. 50% goes to the challah 50% goes to the kicking. Challah is the challah is the challah is the kicking. The challah is the oil you kicking blue in. And like we said a second ago the challahs get the second step of the oil. The kicking get the final step of machine you do some sort of cough on it. This man says that you don't do a cough. You smear the entire top with oil. So the tomorrow Once you finished with the kicking you do the entire top of the kicking you take the rest of oil you give it to the challahs. You don't do the oil you kicking blue in. You don't do the oil you kicking blue in. No you don't smear the whole top. You only do one letter let's say a cough. The oil you kicking blue in doesn't go to the challahs you get to eat. The oil you kicking get to eat the oil. Maybe look shamen oil you kicking blue in. Maybe look shamen oil you kicking blue in. Oil you kicking blue in. Oil you kicking blue in. The oil you kicking that come by themselves you brought 10 kicking. So you bring a look shamen and you do the machine. And you keep on doing machine oil you kicking blue in. You keep on painting the cough cough cough until there's no shamen left. Oil you kicking blue in. Only do it once. Oil you kicking blue in. Oil you kicking blue in. Oil you Wow what is this all you guys? I think this is the smallest mishna the shortest mishna in all of shas. I'm not 100% sure but if you find a smaller one shorter one let me know. It's only six words. Call how many oil you doing with the key. Toy oil you doing season. All oil you doing season. Need that that I don't know the key they need season. What is the season? I think that was the season. I don't either. Season means to break it up. First you break it you break it up. Now how much do you break it up? So the tomorrow the oil you doing what does it mean call oil you doing all the oil you doing. And they they doing the key. What which oil you doing is not done in a key and doesn't need season? They are done in the oven not in a key. So they don't you don't break them up. Oil you doing. The rabbis call oil you doing the key. It says in the passage passage is a key it says twice passage key. So comes to say they have to you have to take the oil you doing and you break it up. You doing my best to make it maybe should do it also to to even the two breads and two and the 12 breads and shabbos. The oil you doing I saw. No no no. Everything else besides the shabbos. You take the shamen oil you doing. The rabbis call oil you doing the key. Every oil you doing gets the final third pouring of oil. The oil you doing my best to make it maybe it should become to include the oil you doing of the oil you doing. Like the oil you doing. So this is a very interesting question. How come you don't say oil you doing say oil you doing the oil you doing. The answer is cuz oil you doing doesn't have oil. It's good to remember. Oil you doing don't have oil. Oil you doing don't have oil. So the oil you doing jumps and says maybe I should include also the oil you doing that should have the oil you doing. The third one. The oil you doing oil you doing. It doesn't have It doesn't have the third one. It has one and two doesn't have three. Oil you kicking oil you kicking. Maybe only the challah doesn't get the oil you kicking but not the kicking. The oil you doing he. So we have two we have two oil you doing over here. We have oil you doing number one is oil you doing oil you doing number two is he. One I'm going to be oil you doing kicking one I'm going to be oil you doing challahs. My Talmud. Oil you doing maybe should come oil you doing oil you doing base. Come to exclude But what needs two oil you doing? Oil you doing oil you doing. The the the challahs and the kicking they go together always. That's why the toy oil needs to be oil you doing twice. Because they're individual but they go together. Challah is oil you kicking but they're together but the toy oil says he and oil you doing otherwise the toy oil wouldn't say two oil you doing. Says the mishna oil you doing oil you doing. When oil you doing brings oil you doing. You bring a carbon to the oil made out of flour. I made a bunch of oil you doing but they didn't know about this. What you can bring oil you doing flour to the Yeah you bring flour to the oil you doing. Oil you kicking oil you kicking this night. You take it you fold it over. Oil you kicking this night. So you have two. Oil you kicking ball and then he has four. Oil you doing then he breaks it up. Oil you kicking what about the oil you doing anytime oil brings oil Oil you kicking this night. Oil you kicking the oil oil >> Why? Why is it the you don't you don't break it? Why is it you break it because the you don't do it. We know call it here. You put the entire thing on the back. It's no point of doing it. I take a little bit. I put it on the back and the rest you get to eat. >> [snorts] >> But if the entire entire thing was on the back, there's no no you don't have to break it. You do fold it. So now you don't have to break it because you don't He says not only a a machine also which was a god doesn't have the breaking cuz it doesn't have it doesn't have doesn't have it. You put them in there and then you have to make sure that each piece is a piece. So I think you're all right. Maybe you should just fold it in half so my soul. Maybe you should say this. It means to fold it in half. It's a means fold it again. So you have four. Oh. So maybe means every time you have a piece fold it again. You have now you have another piece. Fold it again. Fold it again until you have the tiniest of the tiny you just have crumbs. I saw the season the season the season. You do you only do that season once. So you fold it once and then you fold it twice and then you're done. You don't have to take each piece and fold it again and then fold it again and fold it again. Okay, it's done. So how does that work? You have to do it twice. You have to do it twice. When it's the of a Jew of Israel you you fold it twice. Once and then a second time. And then he breaks it into pieces. You have to do it twice. You have to do it twice. You have to do it twice. You don't break it. You have to do it twice. You have to do it twice. You have to do it twice. When does the machine bring it every every day twice? So the the of the god you don't fold it. We learned that it doesn't fold it. So tomorrow you don't understand. You didn't understand. Nothing you don't you don't fold it at all. He doesn't fold it twice. He folds it once. Listen to this. No that's what we're talking about. Here it goes. This is a bread. This is French toast. This is a lot of interesting over here. I don't know if I have it so is a piece of bread. I have it so is um pieces of bread that are that are cooked. Okay. Small pieces of bread. So if the pieces have a piece of it if this has pieces that are pieces it's a piece of it. It's cooked. You take bread and you cook it. Now it's like a French toast is to go. It's it's fried. But sometimes you take it and you put it in milk and you you you cook it. He says but if it has a piece of it left over then you have to make it. Like the rum in the bowl. Take a piece. Over there is smaller pieces. Different. You [snorts] take a piece of it. You don't have any pieces that are the size of it. Then you only then you only make a Why? Because the piece of the piece of it by cooking it removes the piece of it. Used to be a piece of it. What happened to the piece of it? Where did it fly away to? By cooking it it removes the piece of it. How do I know this? You hear this? You tell me all but if he takes it to eat and he says a piece of it is on the on the pieces of the he makes a piece of it. The piece of it we learned in our the last words of it that you have to you have to make sure that these pieces of the have a piece of it. So what's the right? So the explain that there are some that are that that you cook. And you make a on the pieces that are it. If the piece of it you make a on it. So that's what you said that if you cook bread that has pieces of it you make a on it. So I don't know if you remember we had the back in the day that you break down the you take a bread and you break it down to such a small such small pieces that they become literally like flour. So you shouldn't make a piece of If you say yeah you shouldn't make a on it. What time you make a piece of it? We're talking about now. Not we're not talking about a of If he takes from you have the five meaning you have a little bit of spelt a little bit of flour of of wheat a little bit of barley you put it together and you have together a piece of it and you ate it. If it's on the it is. It's not so good. All of them have a piece of it. If you have flour broken down to flour and you eat a piece of it you piece of it. You piece of it. So you have a piece of it. You took this this flour stuff and you needed it together and it became one giant piece. Oh. You have a piece of it. It says you should on condition that you eat them. It says them these broken pieces in the amount of time it takes you to eat a half a piece a half a loaf of bread, right? We didn't put it in. We should have put in the the half a loaf of bread thing. Okay, fine. We have a piece of it. It asks you more about it. You're talking about that it's one piece one solid piece that went together again. It's a piece of one piece. It's one not a bunch of pieces. Why did you say you should say a piece of it? The ball of it. If the if it comes these pieces come from a giant loaf so then even though they're smaller pieces they have pieces of it. They still have a piece of it but if if the piece of it the piece of it came from something that's exactly a piece of it then no good. Then then it loses its pieces and it's not a piece of it. At the end of the day what's the when you make a piece of it? Cooked pieces of bread. I have a piece of it. He says even if it doesn't have a piece of it you have to make a Why? Because it came from a bread that had a that was it. As long as you could see that that it's it looks like a bread. Okay. So that's if that's if it's less than a piece of it. But if it's more than a piece of it even if it doesn't look like bread then it's a piece of it. By the way there are people that French toast they have a they have a problem with French toast because it's deep oil. They'll they'll they they they they make small French toast or they make a piece of it on a piece of bread before. I just want to show you this. Let's read this together. So the is like this. After you do this you should find them. And then we'll finish today's year. If you take a piece of bread and you break it up into pieces If they have large pieces like that's what we just said a second that if it's larger than a piece of it then it remains a piece of it even if you don't see that it's bread anymore. But if it doesn't have a piece of it you could see that it's bread. You have a piece of it. Says the Mr. Bro. And this is why a lot of people when they break the piece of bread How do you say bread in in English or in Everybody calls it bread. You can eat it. You take a piece of bread break it down to smaller pieces of it and you add eggs and you add this you it. So even though you could see that it's a lot of people make on it. The piece of it the piece of it the piece of it from it. Word. I look at base he says. Or concept base. You didn't you didn't cook it. You just broke it up into pieces inside a bowl. This is how some of them learn here. This this here some that takes us brings it. That came together with honey. Or soup. You have a piece of it. If you can still see that it's bread you have a piece of it even if you broke it down to small pieces You broke it down to small pieces in a bowl. You have a piece of it. You can still see that it's a hametz it's a hametz. You may make a lechem. But, if you can't tell that it's bread, then you make a hametz. I don't care if I have a hametz or not. Unless it had a hametz in your bishop gimel. If you shall not bishop when you didn't cook the hametz of perurim and you didn't cook and the the and the the the the crumbs didn't go together you have a mashka through through liquid. I feel like I have a hametz or something. Even if the the What do I call them? The crumbs are less than they're they're they're like flour. I'm a mighty. You hear? That's the That's the video that we saw. The guy doesn't have teeth. He could be eating matzah with with crumbs. You take your matzah that's a mighty and break it down into crumbs. That is a mighty. Why is that a mighty? The sham pas a lechem. It's still considered bread. It's only when you cook it and it's smaller than a hametz that it loses its sham. But, when you didn't cook it you just take matzah. You take bread and break it up into perurim. You take matzah you break it down into you grind it down. That's still a mighty and you could be eating matzah from it. Mordecai Rebbe said have a wonderful day. Merit the source of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today and go to my sponsor.com [music] or [email protected].