CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 70 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> A good of OUR BOYS SIDE. LIVE IN LIVE IN HOLLYWOOD, FLORIDA. All right, here we go. The boys side we're holding on like 10 lines from the bottom and fuzzy. Got it? >> [clears throat] >> 11 lines from the bottom. Boy of Sherman and fuzzy. She boils shall have you hide in the back corner. You have wheat that grew a third and typically speaking in chas a third is considered that's it. It's already a fruit. It's already a produce. It's a product. She boils shall have you hide in the corner. The back corner. So once again, we're talking about we're talking about the it's the other the other coming up. The second day of we bring a carbon over. And that allows us to eat the old crop. So the question is do we go by the stalk the original wheat that already is to eat or since you replanted in the ground and new stuff grew out of that original wheat do we go by the new crop by whatever it is the new grains that came out. I don't know about this I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't You can bring a riot from this case. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know so let's talk a second about our cover just a real quick. When you take a branch from another tree and you graft it into a different tree. So it's two trees coming together. That's what the basically is talking about. One tree is our law. It's a younger tree. It only let's say it's two and a half years old and it comes with fruit. That's how you graft. Okay? So now in our case, we take a a tree that has fruit that's to eat. Also by now it's our law. And you attach the tree that's to eat its fruit. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know Even if you get 200 times the amount the fruit grew 200 times. Let's say it started out with a little tiny dot and it grew into a giant pomegranate. 200 times the size also you're not allowed to eat it. So what do you see? You see that we go by the original. So you have that that stalk and the original stalk became water. So we're going to allow you to eat the rest the rest of the fruit even though you replanted it and more fruit grew on it. Why? Because I see from our law Yeah, yeah, but by by our law by our law we say it's also that we go by the original. So we're here we're going to go by the original say it's water. The two different things. One is a corner one is a cooler. >> [clears throat] >> Good I don't understand the question. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know You take a an onion she shots like the camera. You did something called camera clear camera. It's where you plant well the worst thing is to plant wheat but even other tonight say that even if you plant an onion together with the grapes it's also to eat it. So you you you planted it in a vineyard the nectar camera there's no more vineyard. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't So even if the the onion continued to grow even 200 times the size is still also so you go by the original. So the camera not a riot. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't That that's exactly what the question. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know do I say I'm 100% certain that I go by the original I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know you see by I want to say it's a cooler I want to say you could eat it I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know and by our law I say you cannot eat it. But it's the same idea. I'm going on the one hand if I go by the original by our law I'm going by the original so it's a two and a half year old branch so I cannot eat the fruit and if I go by our law it's your son. This it's a stalk that was from before I saw and it already saw the carbon over so it's to eat from that stalk. So now whatever grows out of that stalk is to eat. It's the same idea. I'm going by the original. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't Perhaps I have a socket I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you I'm going to tell you I'm also going to tell you don't eat it. I have to be take cool. Okay? You have a bunch of interesting questions today by your leading master mind. This idea if you apply this to master what's the the what they get up. I don't know I don't know I don't >> [clears throat] >> You looked around you said okay I have probably 100 pounds worth of wheat I'm going to give one pound I'm going to give a little bit of the coin I'm going to give 10% to the lady I'm going to give 10 pounds to the lady. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know And after you took master you went ahead and you took all that wheat and you planted it. And and it grew more. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know If we're going to go on the on the side of what we just learned that we don't go by the original we go by the new stuff. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know so now you would have to give master from all the new stuff. But the question is equal might what about the original the 10 pounds you set aside for the lady. You took those 10 pounds instead of giving to the lady you put it in the ground. The question is do we view the 10 pounds you put in the ground like the new stuff that grew? And now you have to take master from whatever you're going to give to the lady have to take master from that as well because like the new crop or we say no. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know how do you plant how do you get wheat you have to plant kernels so it's different you plant kernels and you take master from everything including the kernels that you put in the ground. So over here also you took the 10 pounds that you supposed to give the lady you put in the ground you should take master from it it's like a regular like regular seeds. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know no I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know When you take seeds you put them in the ground so of course you're going to take master from those seeds because they decompose it's supposed to decompose I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know My question really is by something like you took these stalks and you put them in the ground they're not meant to decompose my What's the law of that? Do I view it as something new and I have to take master from it or it belongs to the lady and I don't take master from it. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know Here's a planter yeah. Let's see what he has there. Now the law is if there's no hole on the bottom so it's not part of the ground. If it has a hole in it then it's part of the ground. It's a big enough to mean it. If it has a hole on the bottom then whatever grows in the planter is as if you you grew in the ground it's I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know if not then it might be like it's growing on the moon it's growing in America. It's not it's not having the same way. And there's different actually we're going to touch some of the what about client putting two two types two species of fruit together what if they're in a planter is that what it's called? A flower pot a pot some sort of pot. Okay. >> [cough] >> So I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know Which the camera goes on to explain. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know If it doesn't have a hole on the bottom so then the here would be only the rabbit. So says the camera no no no I had a great question I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't Maybe like in this video where the guy he first planted it so it was I don't know I don't know it was didn't really have a connection with the ground but then he went ahead and he drilled a hole in the bottom. From that moment on we're going to consider it as if it took root. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know It's rooted. I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't Huh? And now the question is do I go from that point on and everything in the pot is take master etc. or not? I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I The pot was you only planted once it wasn't you did one and then another one it was one one seeding but you made a hole in the bottom. I don't know I don't Now, right now, yeah, you're right. Now, it just right right now took root, so to speak, because I made the hole in the bottom of the pot. At that moment, it took root in the actual ground. But the other case, we're talking about two complete It grew. You chopped it down and then you planted it again. It's the second time, so it's different. So, you know, meruach means this. Just going to show you we I showed a few times already, but why not? There's a older one older version of meruach. Meruach means to smooth out the pile of grain. And once you smooth it out, that's the gemara melacha, that's at that point you're chayav in trumah and ma'aser. Listen to this story. He takes this stuff that you see on the screen and he instead of eating it, he puts it in the ground. He re- plants it. He goes ahead and he says, "Oh, everything I just planted is considered trumah." Now, at this point, when he just smears the top, he smooths out the top, at that point it became chayav in trumah and ma'aser. So, therefore, it's chayav in trumah and ma'aser in the ground and he says that it's trumah. Poof! It just became kodesh. It just became trumah underground. It's a big problem. The gemara is going to say, "How did How in the world we don't have a case where something in the ground could become trumah?" You just created a case that something's in the ground that could be trumah and we know that it's not possible. Once he did the meruach, he smooth out the top, it became something that tevel, which is chayav in trumah and ma'aser. Kikar lo shem. Once you say that it's trumah, kodesh lo, became trumah. Odilma no. Kivan d'shashla, perhaps once you plant it, poka le tevel minah. At that moment, the tevel expires, it pops it pops out, it goes away, and it's not chayav in trumah anymore. Amar Rabbi Elazar bar Abba bar Avuya, if you are right that it's trumah and it's in the ground, em kem metzi'inu trumah b'mechubar l'karka? Now I have a situation where produce in the ground is chayav in trumah. U'snam metzi'inu trumah b'mechubar l'karka? We have a a braisa that says there's no such thing. I say braisa, the Chazon Ish says it's a braisa. It's impossible. So, meila, has to be that it's poka. That even though it's tevel, but when you put tevel in the ground, it becomes seeds. It It loses the name food and it's not chayav in trumah and ma'aser. It says it's There's a braisa that says there's no such thing as trumah attached to the ground. Ki tanya hi, there's certain things that even though they're attached to the ground, like kilayim, they're attached to the ground, but they're assur. That That's what the assur is. But trumah is a gift that you give to the kohen after you go through a whole process and after you finish the melacha, you you smooth it out. So, obviously, it's not attached to the ground. So, how do you have here a situation where something's attached to the ground and it's chayav and it's considered trumah? Amar Rabbi Ketanya hi, b'inyan chayav misah chamesh. This braisa is talking about a person who eats trumah that's attached to the ground, you're not chayav misah, you don't have to give a chamesh. This is also something you could ask people in shul. What does chamesh mean? What does chamesh mean? Chamesh means a fifth. How much is a fifth? Fifth is how much? 25%. Very good. Those who do the shiur know. Great. In our days it's called 25%. Time of the gemara it's called 20%. Because if you grab it out of the ground, you ate trumah. Sorry. Itolash, if you if you take something off the ground, how did you eat it? There's only two ways you can eat something that's in the ground. You cut it and you ate it. The other way is, so I'm going to If you cut it and you ate it, then it's not attached to the ground. So, you're not chayav. The other way to do it is bend down, get on all four, and eat it right off the ground. What are you laughing? Bigochin v'ochal. If you get down on all four and you eat it, or you could also go over to tree and eat an apple that's attached to the tree. Botel da'ato d'chol adam. So, there's there's a special halacha when it comes to a kosher bird. Nivlas oif ha'tor. The eggs that are inside this chicken. What's the halacha? Beitzim d'nivlas oif ha'tor. Miktzasam b'chutz. The egg that's outside of the body, u'miktzasam bifnim. And there's some eggs that are inside the body. The The ones that are inside the the chicken, so it's the same halacha as the chicken. If you eat the chicken, then you become tamei, your clothing becomes tamei. >> [snorts] >> Oh. I'm going to show you a very vulgar video. So, what do you see over here? Over here, this is the only way to eat the eggs, to get the egg the inside egg, is to eat it directly from the chicken. So, he opens up the chicken, he he puts his face into the chicken and eats the egg. Isn't that botel da'ato d'chol adam? Isn't that a little strange? He's a strange guy. He's socially off. So, he's socially off. Why? Why is it any different than a guy that bends down on all four and eats the the grass straight out? The the the the the tavor. Says the gemara, "Oh, tolush, avidi inshu d'achli ochi." Since these eggs are considered movable items, that sometimes people stick their head into that chicken and eat the eggs. The guy was enjoying today. This is good stuff. If you enjoy that, then you could you could understand the video that I'm about to show you. But grass, wheat that's attached to the ground, no no no no. Lo avidi inshu. Nobody bends down like that and eats it. Amar Rabbi Yomi bar Kissna mashma. This is our last sugia before the easy easy gemara. Amar Rabbi Yomi bar Kissna mashma. Hazore'a kilayim b'otzer she'eino nakuv. If you plant two species in a planter that doesn't have a hole in it, it's not connected to the ground, assur. It's assur here. Let's take a Here we go. Okay, wheat and tomatoes. Assur. Says Abaye, "I don't understand the chiddush here." Malkus. When Rabbanan give malkus, if you do something that's similar to what it says in the Torah, they'll give you malkus. It's called makas mardus. It means that they they put you in in in your place. They they They mechanech you. Doesn't mean that they'll give you 39, whatever the number is. One, two, but they they give you a little patch and they say you don't do it like this. Now, if you're telling me that the halacha that we're coming to tell you this halacha that you get malkus, shafir, that's great. Ela assur, just to tell me that I did that this is assur. This is what you see on the screen is assur. Mai kamasha hu? What kind of chiddush is that? Did the Rabbanan say that you tell me that this is considered planting mid'Rabbanan? Tani na. This we learned already. Tzarah b'she'eino nakuv, ala nakuv. If you try to take trumah from a planter that doesn't have a hole in it, trumah. It's trumah mid'Rabbanan. The yaziv v'eichal. So, you see that the Rabbanan hold that this is considered planting. And if they hold it's considered planting, then you just planted kilayim and you deserve patch. So, that must be the chiddush. The chiddush is that you get makas mardus, not that it's assur. You get makas mardus. Great. Okay, zokef lemiyuchad mishum. So, we have the chamishas minei dagan. We have the five types of grain. You have wheat, se'orim is barley, kusmin is spelt, v'shibolim shual. Just this morning, my daughter-in-law asked my wife. I heard I overheard them. I'm like, I learned this in the morning. I heard them I heard her asking, "Is are oats chametz?" So, here, it's in the mishna mamesh today. V'shibolim shual, oats. V'shifin. Does anybody know what shifin is? What does it say by you? In the Does it say rye by you? Rye. These are all These are all grains that if you make [snorts] a dough out of it, you have to give some to the kohen. You have to give challah to the kohen. So, in order to give challah, we said you have to give approximately 5 lb, let's call it. 43 eggs, 2.2 kilo. So, let's say you have Um let me ask you something. It says start from You read the mission. Start from there. So, let's say you take wheat and you take rye. Do they combine? It says start from They They combine with each other. So, the answer is no. That combination doesn't. But, there are other combinations that do. So, we're going to have to see the more. It's also to eat all these five grains before you bring the more. If it didn't take root, you plant it. It didn't take root. Now, you have to wait a full year until you can eat it. Says the cosman min tem. Cosman are a type of wheat. So, what does that mean? You know, let's look at our chart here. We have cosman is spelt. Spelt and wheat are the same thing. So, I did this just to give it a little bit of a These two are are a are a pair. These two combine cuz the mission says they combine with each other. It only means these two combine with each other and the other three combine with each other. You get it? Because it has to be similar to wheat. The other three are not similar to wheat. The other three are similar to barley. So, similar to barley, that's why those three combine with each other. They're a team. There's two teams here basically. Cosman min tem. Period. She boils the sheep and men What's the doing here? Why is he telling me? Oh, these these two go together. These three go together because to tell you that when the mission says that everything is them it means within your team. It's them. Cosman talks talks about cosman that it might be it might it might go on both teams. Okay. Cosman gulba I love Rashi here. Look at Rashi. Does anybody see what I see in Rashi? Gulba? Huh? No. Spelt. Spelta. Yeah. Yeah, spelt. She find whatever in French. I don't know. Find out what it's called today in French. She find this raw. She boils raw. The it's like it looks like a tail of a of a fox. She boils raw. Says the more. Honey in or is the way. It's only these five grains, but when it comes to rice and millet No, they're not from the five grains. How do you know How do you know that rice and millet are not included? It's only the mission minion. All my ask you We learn from that. We also money. It says wasn't Okay. So, just like you can't be with rice. So, too We How do you know by you can't be with rice? Something that can be leavened that becomes How do you say in English? Leaven? All this that has the physical characteristics of becoming leaven. But, rice cannot become leaven or it might rise, but it can't be leaven. If it rises, you should know It's only because it it rises because it's spoiling, not because it's rising. That's the difference. Okay. And you can take two types of like like the we said the spelt and the wheat and they they combine together. So, it's them. So, this is very interesting. You take these three things. You take wheat and flour and dough. They can combine with each other. Now, listen to this. In fact, if you take if you eat a from each one of dough and of of wheat, you can be over three three Now, the is that even though it's three it's three specific things, but they combine together. They're three that are one. It's a very big one. What does it mean? What do you mean for what? All right. You know this. So, we have a number of What could What could What could it be with when it comes to bread and dough and these kind of things? Number one can be this. That if I if the Let's say is uh this is this is So, you take a third of out of flour, a third of dough, and third of wheat. You'll be over and you eat it. You'll be over on this. You take these three things and you you eat on this. If a third of this is wheat, a third of dough, etc. You're over. Right in my name. My name in years one, two, four and five. You have to bring my What's my Again, say all and all. Probably said a hundred times from the house. May I ask? When a person has produce, he gives 2% to the He gives 10% to the levy and the levy gives 10% of what he just received to the and that's called true master. And on years one, two, four, five, he gives 10% himself basically. He brings 10% of the rest of the produce up to eats in there. Years three and six, that is what? My Very good. If you take this combination of three different things and you eat it outside of The You get for eating outside. It's only a third of and a third of and a third of But, these things I'm in the dough, the the wheat, and the and the flour. We're all too much fun. We're talking about giving over to more. All come out According to Rashi means to give over to more. According to others it means to accept to more. Rashi says you accept to more even on a But, what's the Says not as simple as you think. Not that it gives over to more, but the over here is the two that the wheat and the flour are like dough. Mouse in a day. It's pure. It doesn't have any How do you make dough? You don't make dough with the the shaft, the the peel, whatever you want to call it. It's pure. So, you cannot If you have the peel of the What's the better word? No. The husk? If you have the husk That's a better word. If you have the husk, it's not this. Rove is trying to say in order to be to give over to more, you need a full sheer without the husk. What do you know? It's like means like I'll bring you a year. She bank bank this. The the husk of wheat is edible and therefore it even the husk is this. So, you know, when it comes to barley, you know this and you know this right to him that if it's if it the the husk is not when it comes to barley. I know there's a lot of famous that discusses What's when you have a fruit, it can only become if you pour water on it or you want the water to touch it, then it becomes susceptible to more. I know you are, but that's not what we're talking about. You know what I'm saying is real. Says like people It says that the the barley with its with its husk. That's how That's how it's become more. Like I ask you. The is if it's moist, then it's like a it's a of the pre. It It It protects the pre. It protects the fruit and therefore it's part of the fruit. If it's dry, it doesn't protect. If it doesn't protect, it's not part of the fruit. Says the I know what I'm saying is real. Right? How do we know that applies to the five grains? I I skip? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz we we That empty doesn't say the the word more. It's terrible. Okay. No, it says it says in my but they're not Okay. Fine. I don't know what I'm saying is real. I don't know what I'm saying is real. It's only the five grains and that's the the five grains apply to not rice and millet. The lictors lift him or a sack. That what? That we do that you know it's also for you to reap the five grains. Not only barley cuz we would think it's only barley that you know how to reap until you bring the omer which the omer is out of No, it's all five grains. You're not allowed to eat over here as you wish as rations of Allah. Ma Oh, so we learn from how that all five men are awesome. My car the moment What does it mean before the omer? Rebbe Rebbe Yona omer had them tears omer. So we have a question here. How how long are we going already? So we'll stop over here unfortunately cuz we're getting it's late. Rebbe Yossi have a good week a good you should go out for coming. Have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the class of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today and to my [music] sponsor.com or [email protected].