CHAZARAH - Menachos Daf 108 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning boys, we wish you a very happy birthday boys. I was holding eight lines from the bottom of the line on the base. It's not awesome. We spoke about this these are the different push the boxes. There's a beautiful picture here that you all should put together. This is the inside. The cutaway view of this box so you can't put your finger in there and try to steal money. And it even has like the old style shekel kind of stuff. Okay. There are six out of the 13, six. Can I get to me she shall in the double connected to me? So we have six sheet toys. We'll see one after another easy sheet toys. Easier to get more today. Simon can I push her? If you have a different Simon in there, you might want to change it to can I push her? I'm a kiss you these are the I'm a royal who give us a reason. I'm a kiss you. Can I get she shall but they always have but they always have to have them should take new she is shall I should make peace. You should sit and talk for hours and make peace. I will say these are the right. The are divided into 24 mish Morris 24 groups. Each one of those 24 groups gets to serve in the base of these are the names if you look closely you'll see. Okay, 24 groups. Each group gets a week. After 24 weeks it starts all over again. If you take one week. They divide that mish Mar of that week into six days. So each 24 is divided into six Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and they all get together. What might happen is. One day. On let's say Monday is a lot of animals. People are bringing animals everybody's coming to they get the they get the hide they get the the leather. Is it a rainy day? And only one guy brings the carbon that day. So what happens? >> [clears throat] >> So he's going to open up the push up and he's going to use more money out of the push up. Out of the four case of his back. People didn't show up you can't have a low on the. The kids are. So [snorts] what happens is comes a jealousy between the different days. You used up all the money out of the push up. You have all the special other stuff. Why it's it's it's it's yeah yeah yeah it comes cool. Even the case is leather I guess they have a book. >> [panting] >> Yes. >> [laughter] >> Only two out of the three letters. Yes one lousy piece the kids are okay. So. That's the problem. Today so what they did is every day gets their own amount of money. You can't complain. She is showing them she is showing them she is showing them she is showing them she is showing There's so much money coming in so we need a lot of push up. So I can they actually you know those days the money would go bad if it was just laid around and become a little rusty and moldy. Now. What? [clears throat] Yeah, you see the green the green the green stuff. Now if you keep on pulling out from one area of the push up so the bottom part is always is going to just going to stay keep on piling it in like like the milk like it we discussed already the milk in the in the supermarket. If you keep on just taking from the front and not from the back then you're going to have an issue. So we do is you make six different push ups and they use one then they use the other I'm assuming and they keep on going from one to one so you're always there's a constant rotation of the money. What? You rotate you don't let it sit there. Who is here in my third shot can I get par bagel you need six why because in fact there are six. In this picture you have seven so just ignore one of the sheep over there. But there's six types of six types of carbon us par. An adult cow the egg on the calf aisle the adult the calves and the sheep the the the younger one the D uh. A mature goat the sire and the baby so the six you need. Now the rabbit but this only goes according to that which the more says we don't like that so much. It goes according to we had yesterday maybe got the latest you need six type of push ups cuz if somebody donates a small sheep he cannot bring an aisle even though an aisle is much. It is more valuable. So I need a special push up for aisle special push up special push up for aisle special push. What hold so that would be Rashi says would hold all you need is three out of the six you need one adult for each one need the par the aisle and the A's whatever the adult goat why? Because we're going to hold once you give the the more expensive one you twice as no all you need is one push up. >> [clears throat] >> I can give a a giant cow instead of a small sheep. As you says later but that doesn't matter okay. About the. I'm connected to part of the island. You need for the extras the par would refer to the par when better makes a mistake and they tell they can do certain things such as eating a type of column when they're not allowed and then they find out of what they made a mistake so all of them get together they buy one par. And the leftover of that money if it got lost. The island. And these are the the goats for a sham the sham. The island the sham would be if somebody uses on the you have to pay another plus he has to bring a carbon. See you have a special show for with that was him. The Syrian these are sham the Syrian they got lost got lost what happens you you replace it and then you find the original what you do with the original you actually store it and the take the money. You put in the push up. The and leftovers. Which the more is going to point out everything we just mentioned really the really. More is the cow bone. Another everybody brings one shekel for what what do you do with the money? We buy the something this is the time she shall have time to be buying. Now I'm actually shekel might not be maybe it's slightly rubbed off you know from the usage so you always add a tiny amount so my welcome come inside come come. A little tiny amount more called the cow bone a little maybe up to a more so you give them access shekel plus a tiny coin. Actually interesting thing is really doesn't like what but we go with Rashi says. And what if partners bring one shekel? So theoretically a shekel for two people it might be rubbed off the same way I have a shekel is rubbed. So you should bring one cow bone for the shekel. But then it comes out that the is losing out it's a more. So bring another more. But that's not really the same as the first more the first more is like part of the shekel. The second more you decided that the shouldn't lose out is that cuz the guy rubbed out because you want to bring out so put that in a special show for. That should should first. Full shekel that you should really have to bring one more. Or cow bone and you bring it two cow bones of the second cow bone put in the special show for. So until now we're just stopping here before we get to all the time. Oh Syrian by the way I I didn't I didn't explain Syrian are the the side of Muslim of Yantif. Which comes to be we had also give up okay. Cool he is killing me. He says that the piece we we want to be in peace so each day gets its own show for when we're not so worried about fighting why everybody is busy with his day not so worried what happened the day before who got more leather less leather say that. Mhm. Just realized the more says somewhere that. At a certain point the decided not to give the leathers the hides to the and them. They weren't behaving or something so they took it. And they had so much money from it that they were able to play the entire with like a thick gold plate. So in other words these hides have value. You can see why people fight over it. Here I am here. I'm not concerned about money going bad. I don't need six shows for that cuz Army he says what you need the six types of animals is the par ego this picture that only goes if you hold like Rebbe that if you bring a large animal instead of a small animal you not yet so he says no that that's Rebbe that she does Rebbe can't be that this whole Mishnah it goes according to that Yachad Kibra Naminah Army the top of the summer that awesome serum it's all Moishe is cool and Army sorry the first four things in his list par and alien awesome this all about having left over so I don't need a special shofar for leftovers when all four things are leftovers cool and Army sorry mine then he says oh but you need a special shofar if in case there's partners who brought one check in Mona Mishkan Mazel it's not true that extra cow bone goes into the max a shackle push the sign you like how is the relic where does it go the shackle in the remember I'm in the double okay so you have a mock like going to get into a mock like to remember and with the other no it doesn't make sense or small Omar new shot so so we dealt with those first shots that we had now we have two that are very very similar they're off by one thing only small Omar connected Moishe of person let's say designates a hundred dollars for his dollars how do I get a hundred dollars right today and the guy had a whole website you could calculate your carbon how much you owe for carbon if a woman gives birth all you whatever five hundred dollars minimum right can I get my dollars so you have left over you put five you thought it cost five hundred dollars and you got a good deal you got one for three fifty so that extra hundred fifty dollars goes into this push car of Moishe the same thing Moishe Moishe Nazar Moishe and so on Moishe quite a and the left over when a fighter that doesn't have money he brings them in car and here's the only not me now or Moishe a serious effort to coin God all the coin God all every morning every evening every morning he brings a holy song he splits it divides it in half so he has left over that day that goes into the push car yeah I know you asked that question a lot very Omar can I get he wants to know physically how it works with the with the with the so sometimes you bring money and you buy it from the you purchase from the the base of English itself for which I am I connected Moishe Moishe Moishe Moishe I shall miss Moishe keen on over here he switches the serious effort to coin God all with the birds a person owes birds he's a of let's say so he's bringing birds when he becomes star the left over money goes into the push car of the birds Moishe quite a okay which one of the other these two they argue only on one point is it the left over for the birds or the left over the coin God all so I can't even say birds can I tell him Asia if you look at the Mishnah the Mishnah says keen on here even show you here if I can find number three number three what's number three keen on it's in the Mishnah that there's a shofar for keen on Rebbe Shia Tony what he says this Mishnah Tony keen on what he doesn't have number three in in his list what time is Shia Tony keen on we know Rebbe Shia says that number three in the list or whatever number it is one of the thirteen shofars is keen on he says you're right but hardly keen on Moishe keen on there's one for birds and there's one for the extra that came off the birds Rebbe Shia my time is small how come he doesn't say that it's for the coin God all that serious effort to coin God all so Omar Moishe is going to go your car he holds that it's it's supposed to go to waste you don't you don't put it away your car over here you see a little bit not like I was telling you all right your car left over so maybe sell it I don't know exactly to sell that maybe sell the the flower and you may you take money you certainly do not put flower in a shofar I'm asking you oh so that serious effort to coin God all there's nothing to do with it it goes to waste you have to let it spoil the sign you Moishe double Moishe Moishe your car my car more what does it mean Moishe Moishe Moishe your car Moishe Moishe Moishe the left over of the Moishe should be in the double Moishe serious effort to coin God all your car is it different the fighter and the coin God all fighter just put it in the push car the coin God all those he saw him let it go to waste Rebbe Omar Moishe to coin God all he argues he says no the left over of the coin God all is in the double hello Moishe to your car the left over of the left over if you can't finish all those forty breads that goes to waste the it's actually a mock like Moishe to coin God all Rebbe your car whether or not the serious effort to coin God all goes you have to let it spoil or not may say says Moishe cool [snorts] and you have left over shackle you put aside a max a shackle for people in your house and you have left over what do you do with it it goes out the cool and it's it's a hundred percent cool and and it says Moishe a serious effort that's what we're talking about right now the left over of the serious effort we're talking about that which the is going to say no no we're not it's something else what else could it be Moishe a serious effort seems like we're talking about the coin God all as you say but it says or Moishe is over the coin is over a person who's a over keen on your dice a woman who gave birth because I am in the double and it says it goes in the double you don't let it get wasted or Moishe you don't let it rot my life Moishe to coin God all and it doesn't rot lie Moishe that's also a serious effort and that's the one that you let go put in the double you could you could be you say that's what it's talking about you don't have a right you don't have a conclude right from here that the coin God all left over doesn't rot Omar Rebbe Rebbe Moishe to coin God all your car it seems like the the one who says that you let it spoil the sign you because we learned in the we learned it says in the first in the the Moishe you don't stay so maybe it's a shofar a serious effort you see it says in the first in the about a Moishe that it's a serious effort it says that's what many said what do you mean fighter in this car okay the sign you all he at the end it says he I should have made the he red Omar Rebbe he learned from this only this Moishe is called a a lot of the to do with the word when a cool is but nothing else is a so in other words the coin God all Moishe although it's called it's not a real leave it at serious effort to coin God all share to do with the that is not called a and it does require a no and my Omar in a cool is my sorrow your car so you learned from a that the left over of the coin God all is spoiled says the Mishnah sure the oil of in a style I tricked the oil in Hebrew I want to see if I can trick you guys what if a person says what if a person says a lie oil a real liar oil does and and if something happens to it does he have to get stolen does he have to bring another oil a and if he says I raise you oil a so instead of the Israelis didn't get the whole zoo thing they know they know the zoo but they didn't know how real life like they were confused by the they knew one part of it the thing allowed they weren't so good at zoo zoo is a dive the double but the mission doesn't say the mission yeah the mission says I raise you that so what is that in the double he points at the ax and says that zoo that same thing oil a so may love in a style and we got a mom so what's a lot of you get some mom it's not your responsibility it's not you said that if something happens to that if he drops that this ax you're not have to bring another one if it has a mom you're not with it so may love if you go ahead and sell it the money has to show but you could do whatever you want with the money you here you're not locked into this animal this animal is gone I you you sold it in and and and the money has to show okay there's nothing to do with the original you're you're not to bring the original so you want to trade it and take with the money do something else with it in you bring two instead of one you did the same thing you pointed at these two axes these two should be an oil and then they fell a mom if you want you can instead of two you can bring one what's better two or one one animal that weighs a thousand pounds or two animals that weigh five hundred pounds what's better huh you say one anybody anybody with a two anybody say two two you says two Rashi says two was always better than one >> [snorts] >> as they say Rashi Rebbe is always always cuz Rebbe says you got to stick to what you said caught on the heavy God all if you you promised you're going to bring a ten pound you brought a thousand pounds which is nine hundred ninety pounds more than what you promised no good according to Rebbe cuz that is not your nether Rebbe Shia really Rebbe is only Oiser l'chatchila. You'll see Rashi Rashi says the word l'chatchila but b'dieved, it's okay. >> [snorts] >> Ail zeh oila, same thing. He said it on a ram. This this particular one is oila but it's a even it got a mum. Im rotzeh yavi b'dam of keves if you want Now you go from a larger sheep and then a mature one to a baby. Keves zeh oila b'nistav, what if you pointed at a baby and you said this this sheep and then had a mum. Im rotzeh yavi b'dam of ail you could go to large. But Rebbe Oiser cuz Rebbe says what? Koton l'godol is no good. Daf kuf ches amud beis. Amris Reish Lakish We learned in the Reish Lakish shar b'mona yesterday. Shar b'mona v'heivi shnayim b'mona If a guy he promises going to bring one animal worth 100 and he goes and he buys two animals each one is worth 50. 50 plus 50 equals 100. Lo yatza. What's the obvious answer to this question Rebbe Oiser? No no no, much better answer. What? Mishum d'lo shavim d'lo yatza. Hold on. Amris Reish Lakish shar b'mona v'heivi shnayim b'mona lo yatza. Last minute, not today. We learned yesterday. If a guy promises an animal for 100 and buys two that have the same value or even two that each one is worth 99 two 99ers are not worth one 100. So how come now he say that you could take an animal that's worth 100 and then then then sell it off and buy two? What's the Well, say it better. You have to say MUCH BETTER. OH. OH. IN OUR case there's a mum and maila it it he's not he has no achrayis on it anymore. Over there, he promised 100 and nothing happened in between and he went and he took two 50s. Two 50s doesn't equal 100. Says the Gemara shor zeh b'nistav shani. B'nistav it became a bal mum. So it became a bal mum. You can do whatever you want with the money. Shnei shvarim oila b'nistavo. Shnei shvarim oila oila b'nistavo. If a guy points at two and he says these should be an oila, two should be an oila and they fell a mum. Rotzeh yavi b'dam of ail you can go trade the two the money from the two and buy one. But Rebbe Oiser even on that Rebbe says assur. Why? Why he says it's assur? May ta'ama? Mishum d'heivi godol v'heivi koton. Because when you go from two to one over here Rashi says the yisaid Rashi dibur hamaschil godol v'heivi koton. Shibachol makom shnayim chashuvim meyachad. V'afilu shnayim shavim. May ta'ama? Mishum d'heivi godol v'heivi koton. V'av gadol b'nistav. Oh. See here what's going on here? You take two you promised two and you bought one. So it's it's going from something special two special says Rashi to one. So it's like going from a large thing to a small thing. V'av gadol b'nistav l'chatchila av gadol b'nistav. B'ma'aseh I don't understand. It's not your responsibility anymore. It has a mum. You can do whatever you want with it. L'chatchila lo shari Rebbe. Rebbe says even such a case it looks bad. It looks like I'm throwing that in. Maybe I'm wrong. But you know it it might it's not your achrayis but it looks like you're going from a large thing to a small thing and there be something no no good. As the Gemara of living in immigration. The first case, when it's a one one to two two you're telling me two animals is better than one. So Rebbe should argue even in the first case. If I go from one and has a mum Ah, you mean earlier. Some okay. Okay. Something. I don't know what. It's your some sort of responsibility if the animal has a mum. We go he's going back to before. Okay. So in the in the normal in the reverse case. He went from one to two. Two you're telling me is great. Only in magnums that is. But in two to one is great. I'm sorry. One to two. One to two is a good thing. That's the first case in the Mishna. One to two. A mum happened to a one shor and you got two shvarim. How come Rebbe doesn't argue there? Says the Gemara Rebbe does argue there. Rebbe Akiva milta palig. So why didn't you hear from him? Cuz Rebbe has manners. He waited patiently until chacham said everything that they had to say and then he argued one argument and said listen, you cannot change either way from good to bad from bad to good. Don't ever change what you said. So let the guy finish. Let let him finish the sentence and then then argue with him. It's the first teida and now I'll prove to you very very good raya over here. D'tani ail zeh oila b'nistav rotzeh yavi b'dam of keves. That's not important to us. What's important is this one. Keves. Keves is the cheapest animal you could buy from all the korbanos. It's a baby sheep. That cost how much did you say? $75 you were saying before. How much? A the baby. Let's call it a 75er. Okay? The the least possible a little tiny one just just born. B'nistav keves zeh oila and he points at it and says this is oila. $75 big you know gvir giving $75 korban. B'nistav and then it went bad and got a mum. Rotzeh yavi b'dam of ail. He could go buy the expensive one. How much is the expensive one? Eli? It's 500. 500. He could go get the 500er. But Rebbe Oiser. Oh. So you see m'forash a case where you're going from really bad to really good and Rebbe says no. Even in that case no. So you see he does argue in every single case of the Mishna. Even going from one animal to two which is bad to good according to Rashi. Two is better. Argue shma mina oila. Yeah. Yeah yeah. He said it all the way at the end. But I'm proving to you that he actually holds this cuz it says over here Rebbe Oiser. In this case he did argue. Ibailu. Mimin l'mina mai? So this we did discuss a little bit and it's interesting. Can I replace my my animal has a mum, can I replace a very expensive cow with two medium priced sheep? I'm going from different a different animal. Tashma shor zeh oila b'nistav. I promised to bring a bull and it has a mum. Lo yavi b'dam of ail. Don't bring a small little ail. It's way too small. Ava meivi b'dam of shnayim. You can bring two. V'Rebbe Oiser l'fi sheim bila. So before we jump into Rebbe, what do chacham say? It's okay to go from a bull to to a ram. You can bring you a ram instead of a bull. So that's okay. That answers our question. Two yeah. I don't care how many. I'm going to but a different a different a different type. Rebbe says it's assur. Why? Because when you bring two rams you have to bring a mincha per ram. It's two. So now you have two minchas. You promised one mincha one korban now you're bringing two. They don't mix. Doesn't go well. Shma mina Now I have a question for you. What if what if we actually just said it. But let's think about it. A guy promised a $3,000 cow. Can he and it has a mum, can he replace it with a $500 sheep? One sheep. That's the question. Says the Gemara mai airya tray? Why does he have to replace with two? Afilu chad nami. He should be yoitzei y'dei chova with one. Why? D'hav b'nistav d'Rabbanan l'shana u'l'vein godol l'koton. You already told me you could bring a small one instead of a large one. And you already told me that you could go from one type of animal to another type of animal. So if you go from a large to small from a from two animals to one which is large to small. Large to small. And you can go from a cow to to to goat. So bring one goat instead of one cow. What's the difference? You go from large to small. And and you can go to different min. So let's replace one whole cow with one ail. Why do you need two ai- two ailim? It's a big kasha. It's a very good kasha. Says the Gemara ihachi mai airya tray? Afilu chad nami d'hav b'nistav d'Rabbanan l'shana u'l'vein godol l'koton. me there is no difference. You can replace a small one with a large one because anyways it's not your achrayis. And you just established you can go from one type of animal to another one. So one ail is is instead of one cow. What's the problem? So you're right. You're 100% right. Trei tanoyim v'eilu d'Rabbanan. In the Mishna the tana really holds that there's no difference between a large and a small. But over here he'll hold that there is a problem. Rebbe Oiser l'fi sheim bila. Ta'am d'ein bila. You're telling me the whole reason is because you can't mix two two ailim. That's why you can't replace two with one cow. Oh yesh bila. Sorry. What if you don't have to mix it? It'll be okay? V'nah nah ail zeh oila b'nistav. What happened if one ram? One ram got a mum. Rotzeh yavi b'dam of keves. If you want you can bring a smaller sheep. And then what about keves zeh oila b'nistav? He said on the smallest animal possible he says this should be an oila. Yavi b'dam of ail. I What you could replace a small sheep with a very large sheep. And that's only one mincha one bila. And what does Rebbe say? Rebbe Oiser. Why does Rebbe say it's assur? It's mashma that if it's if it's if it's equal in terms of the minchas, how many minchas and how many bilas you have to do, it's okay. So why does Rebbe say it's assur? Trei tanoyim v'eilu d'Rabbanan. You're right. In the Mishna he says it's assur. Over here it'll come out that it's mutar. U'vei d'hayrim an animal that doesn't have a mum. Aigol v'heivi par. If he he made a neder to bring something small, a calf. And he instead brought something large. You think it's great? Keves v'heivi ail. Yatza. And that goes stomach your rabbinical Rebbe would hold even in such a case when you larger, it's awesome. Rotzeh yavi b'dam of When a person says, I have zero achrayas, I don't take responsibility. I have almost sure a lie. You hear what happened there? Over he said zeh, but a lie. It's like a contradiction. This, but upon myself. So, which one is it? A neder, how do you say neder? Harei oila. How do you say nedava? Harei zu. And what if he mixes the two words? He he says one word after the other, harei zeh oila, chukba. You have achrayas, you're locked in. As the Gemara, who told you a lie come on, maybe he meant zu, which should be a nedava, I have zero achrayas. But I'll bring it, I'll take care of it. Elo, you're right. Even if he says a lie, even if he says the two words together, no achrayas. Reboy said they must mask him, no achrayas. I have a sure bet. The alma, I take up responsibility on the money, a lie oila, chukba, then he has a responsibility cuz he took responsibility on the money, not on the animal. Reboysai, have a wonderful day. >> [music] >> Merit the schuss of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or [email protected].