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[music]
>> Good
morning you rab boys
AH AH AH
DO THE shmas
E me we're all sitting with a small high
We're holding on the top of the kuf vov
omer alef three lines down vaha
So what's going on here?
We learned that if somebody
says he's going to donate a mincha
could be one of these five minchas we're
not exactly sure which one he meant
so he brings them all
It could be it could be that he meant
a mixture the gomorrah says it can't go
according to shimon then the gomorrah
says it does go according to shimon
shimon is the one that says it could
actually be a mixture of chalas and
rekikin
so if that's the case it can't be reb
shimon the gomorrah says yeah it could
be reb shimon could be
you make a tnai you say I don't know
exactly how many of each it could be uh
maybe I give five chalas five rekikin
whatever it is whatever my chive is
whatever my obligation is that's what
I'm giving the rest is going to be in a
nedava uh
uh a gift to hakadosh baruchu
so the gomorrah says but how do you do
kmitsa the gomorrah went into that now
the gomorrah says but wait a minute with
every mincha you have to bring oil what
do you do with the leftover oil and if
you don't know what to do with the
leftover oil you can't bring this mincha
at all what's the problem
[clears throat]
the metza chalas and metza rekikin omer
if in fact he did mean half and half the
chalas and rekikin moisa ashem matzila
chalas then the halacha would be take
the leftover oil whatever's leftover put
it into the chala side not to the
rekikin to the chala side
e kulu rekikin omer and if he said now
the problem is if he said if it's all
chala if it's half and half put the rest
the leftover oil put it into the chala e
kulu rekikin omer but if he said I'm
bringing only rekikin moisa ashem and
necha l'koyain we have a problem here
what do you do do you give the leftover
to the kainim or do you pour it into the
batch you can't just make something up
here you can't just give it to the
kainim if you have to pour it into the
batch you can't pour it into the batch
you have to give it to the kainim says
the gomorrah have a eitza it goes like
reb shimon reb shimon ben yehuda also
rashei teivos rashbi deciding reb shimon
ben yehuda omer mishum reb shimon if it
goes like him we have a good eitza what
do you do moish chan kamin key this is
also like we go coming back what's kamin
key so you had a major machlokes
a different sheet not a machlokes rashi
over here says it's like a tes rashi in
hoyer says a ches rashi in shmos says a
chof rashi in krisis says it's a ex
the ramban says a ex in chumash it's a
gimel dor says it's a v b'kitzur if you
go with most of the shitas it's more
like a chof upside down sideways tes is
just missing the little people say he
really meant a chof just it's like a
little you know a tes has a little piece
on top like that top right corner okay
the point is that you write some sort of
a letter on the chala
u'moisa ashem and necha l'koyainim so
this this idea if we hold like reb
shimon ben yehuda no matter what even if
it's the chalas it goes to the kainim
even if it's the the uh
kikin it goes to the kainim so at the
end of the day
we know what to do with the oil that's
not a problem omer reb chanina reb ashi
so think about it
these are the five minchas
that when a person says stam he doesn't
explain what he says I want to bring a
mincha
it could be one of these
now the question is isn't there other
aren't there other minchas
one of the [snorts] one of the minchas
that we spoke about yesterday is called
minchas nesachim
minchas nesachim is a mincha that comes
together it's a little confusing so
towards the end of the maseches let's
let's just figure it out let's just
discuss it
nesachim comes with every single shlamim
and every single oil every time you
bring a carbon oil or a carbon shlamim
you must bring a minchas nesachim
it includes wine it includes oil it
includes flour depending on the size of
the animal so let's say if we're going
to go with the smallest animal a sheep
so you have you have to bring three log
of wine three log of oil and one one
isaron of uh flour
maybe that's what the guy meant when the
by the way this is important you could
bring in a nesachim all by itself
without an animal I could say oh I want
to bring the nesachim that I typically
bring with the with the bull I want to
bring the which would which requires
more wine I want to bring the basic one
the one that goes with the sheep so that
would be three log of each three log of
yayin three log shemen revias that's
called a revias reisa hin
soilus
omer reb chanina reb ashi vo iku
nesachim kuka d'minchas nesachim perhaps
this is
maybe when he said a mincha he didn't
mean the five minchas that we keep on
talking about maybe he's talking about
the mincha of nesachim which you could
bring on its own without an animal domer
rabba as we learned the other day
misnadev other minchas nesachim b'chol
yayin a person it's not a problem to
give an nedava to the ribono shel oilam
every single day of your life
so now the gomorrah in order to answer
the question the gomorrah is going to
basically teach us the difference the
five differences that there are between
a a mincha soilus machvas
the typical five minchas to the nesachim
there are five differences and when you
know those five differences the gomorrah
is saying
the gomorrah is arguing that a person is
not going to make a mistake between a
mincha that has this difference and that
but it teaches us the differences siman
what are the differences yachid b'glal
l'vina b'laig mikamtza that what number
one buba glal yachid buba glal tivlum
istaklei
we learned that these five minchas you
can't bring
even a b'shutfus you can't even have a
single partner so certainly it can't be
from the whole community
whereas nesachim could be from the whole
community a person is not going to make
a mistake he's not going to say oh I
don't remember is it a nesachim that I
that I I can't even have a partner or a
nesachim that I could do with everybody
he won't make such a mistake
another one kikum istaklei buba glal
atzmo
he doesn't confuse a mincha that comes
all by itself like the five minchas buba
glal zevel um istaklei there's a mincha
that can come together with an animal
he'll remember quite well that he
donated a mincha that usually goes with
with with sheep
with with bulls it doesn't go by itself
kikum istaklei another one tuna l'vina
nesachim does not require l'vina so he's
not going to make that mistake in his
mind he knows whether it has l'vina or
not
shainu tuna l'vina l'mistaklei
basically the gomorrah is just telling
us in a in a side way all the nafka
minas a list of five nafka minas
kikum istaklei buba loy
how many when you have a five one of
these five minchas how much oil is
required one log and the minimum of a
nesachim is how many
three log a revias hin
kikum istaklei buba log buba shlosha
login l'mistaklei I cannot this I can
hear in his mind he knows exactly he
knows if he's going to have to shlep a
huge amount of oil to the mizbeach or
just one little bottle kikum istaklei
tuna kmitsa shainu tuna kmitsa loy ko
mistaklei
minchas nesachim does not require a
kmitsa why not think about it for a
second why does minchas nesachim not
require a kmitsa anybody because
it all goes on the mizbeach
what why do you do a kmitsa kmitsa means
you take a little bit of flour in your
hand and the rest becomes shirayim and
then you could eat the kain gets to eat
it but if the entire thing goes on the
mizbeach like a minchas nesachim
everything
where does the wine go on the mizbeach
in the shittin
the oil and the and the flour goes on
the mizbeach so there's no there's no no
kmitsa over there a person is not going
to confuse himself between a mincha that
has a kmitsa and a mincha that doesn't
have a kmitsa that's why nesachim is out
of the question zochti gomorrah pirashti
we learned the mishna pirashti minchas
sh'loshim
this was wild mamash
a guy he's poor like anything
he doesn't have any money all he has
left is a is a bag of flour in his house
his wife is going to make a little you
know bread for the week
and he's going to bring this one bag of
flour to the ribono shel oilam that the
gomorrah said is nefesh
mamash neshama
and because he messed up
he has to bring 1,830
bags of flour cuz he poshut said the
wrong thing and he doesn't know
pirashti minchas sh'loshim I said I'm
going to bring a mincha of different
sh'loshim and I don't know what I said
ton rabbonon pirashti minchas sh'loshim
b'nei adam maprashei yomi minchas shisha
misraim divrei chachom chachom say you
know what
oh
where where
where are you
I said it I said it I did I just skipped
the three words b'kvas b'kli echad
it's not we don't we're not gores that
he's gores it over there okay
ton rabbonon pirashti mincha b'kvas
b'kli echad that those words okay b'kvas
b'kli echad
it's very important because it's it's a
little bit it's n'ga to the sugya these
words so maybe they put who put it in
uh the bach sticks it okay
that
the bach says basically that the whole
sugya is because rebbi holds that he
said I want it in one kli if he wouldn't
describe that it's in one kli then you
could put it in 60 different kelim you
put each kli one isaron per kli times 60
and that will get rid of all our
problems cuz if he said they want to
bring a three isaron mincha is three
kelim if he said 60 here 60 kelim the
problem is that he said I want it in one
kli I want it in one kli so perhaps it's
60 in one kli perhaps it's 59 in one kli
so let's do 59
of chive and one of nedava in one kli
you cannot do that you cannot mix a
nedava with a chive in one kli so now
you're stuck now you need 60 kelim that
each one has a different shear one has
one the next one has two three four etc
all the way up to 60
according to rebbi rebbi omer yomi
minchas sh'loshim echad b'shishim
shehein
b'kvas b'kli echad
>> I read this. I'm going to read it again.
He's going to bring a mincha of 60
astray and only once. One 60 year. Why?
Because whatever it is will be in the
cleat. If I said 20, so 20 out of the 60
should be my mincha that I am higher.
The rest, the 40 are going to be another
mincha called a mincha of the double.
Just
>> [clears throat]
>> for fun. Just to bring an another type
of flower.
Rebbi I mean what is Rebbi saying?
You have a mincha of 60 of the flower.
This is unbelievable. You bring a cleat
that has one you bring another cleat
with two another cleat with three five
10 20 up to 60.
Total amount of
1150.
How do you do the math?
We're going to do it really quick. You
take whatever number it is you do 1 + 2
+ 3 + 4 + 5. So over here we have up to
60. You add a one so 61. You divide it
in two it's 30.
You take that division whatever number
you divide it 30 30 times the number
that you have. 30 times 60 equals 1800
but there's a one so it's 1830. 1830.
What
if I don't even know which one of these
five it is?
Then I have to do everything times five.
So according to
you bring
60 in one bowl times five. So it's five
times 60. How much is that?
300.
According to Rebbi that it's 1830
but it could be any one of these.
1830 times five is how much?
So
now you have to bring five minchas each
mincha 60 equals 300.
Now I have to do five times 1830.
>> [snorts]
>> Hold on a second.
A person who says a person who brings a
mincha
it's a poor person usually. He
[clears throat] brings one thing. Over
here he's going to have to bring 9000
150 which is a tremendous amount of
money. It's even it's 15 tons of flour.
It's a lot.
Okay. So now
we have five ways to explain this
five ways. Again what's the like this?
If a person doesn't know what he what he
donated to the base of the dash
and it could be one through 60. One
two
60 flower.
So according to just bring 60. Bring the
highest number.
And you make a a condition you make a
you say
Rebbi says you can't just bring 60 and
say oh I'm making a condition that if I
if I meant 50 so 50 out of it is
and 10 of it is it doesn't work. And
we're going to see why it doesn't work.
There's five reasons why according to
Rebbi that doesn't work.
Are
you allowed to bring into the
mundane things?
Why? Because
if you have a bowl you have a bowl of
flour and half of it is my mincha what's
the other half?
Cannot be in a double. Why? Cuz I cannot
mix in the same bowl those two things.
Hold on a second. You can't mix in those
two things. You can't mix in the
can't mix into the bowl two different
flowers.
Half of it is my carbon. Half of it is
just mundane. But you cannot bring
mundane into the base of
you cannot bring into the flower.
No it doesn't. It never does. It can't
because
No no no. Rebbi says you can't. You
can't make it why? Because you cannot
bring you cannot first of all you can't
mix olive
But if you change it into a double and I
have a double one cleat you can't do
that. You can't have a one cleat. They
can't touch each other. They can't They
can't be mixed with each other. Sorry.
But
but the double and cannot mix. They
cannot mix two flowers.
You could mix flour with the carbon but
the problem is that now you brought
flour apples into the you're not going
to take the flour and change it into
into a carbon. It's not going to change.
It is what it is but it's flour. And
it's in the
so now you have simple apples simple
flour in the flower.
Rebbi saw
not permitted to bring to the
you're
not the question are you allowed to
bring into the yes or no? Rebbi said no.
So
so there's another flower here.
Number one is what shall I bring
no everybody says says Rebbi or Rebbi
everybody agrees you're not allowed to
bring to the
flower.
Another simple
can you mix in that same bowl the
with the
in the same bowl? So
that solves all the problem I can mix
the two different one bowl. So maximum
all you have to bring is 60. Within the
60 I'm going to have part of it is going
to be
I don't know how many. I make it
whatever it is
you know how many? It's 18 18. The rest
is going to be another
since it's awesome to mix the
so may I have to bring one of every type
up to 60. 1830.
You need to to have two flowers.
So the the comments of other comments.
Okay here we go. This is the flower.
This is the
my printer I I apologize the printer is
not working so smart.
Here we go.
Oh we're going to make a mincha. No
we're not going to make a mincha.
We're going to do a flower.
This is 60 flower.
Let's pretend.
Put it over here. 60
so I go like this.
Stick my hand in. Oh my gosh this is
awesome.
I flip my hand over.
And this is number one. Number one I'm
going to put into this bowl right over
here.
Now
it's possible that
not everything in this bowl is is a
flower. Maybe I didn't promise to bring
60. Maybe I promised to bring 30.
So I have to take another
flower.
Another one for the rest of it which is
number two in this bowl which is in the
double so I stick my hand again.
And do it like this.
Turn over I got to make sure I don't
have too much on this side with my pinky
like this.
Here this is my this is my flower.
Boom.
Dump it in there. Great.
So now I have a
flower over here and another flower over
here.
Next.
Says the flower.
When I took my
out
the very first time I went like this and
I put it in here. In this bowl I have a
little bit of my flower.
Cuz this whole thing is a little bit a
little bit
in my
there's a little part of it that is
problem. Why? Because my needs to be
100%
perfect. I can't have too much and I
can't have too little.
A big part of it is not even a it's not
even a flower.
Says the
flower.
The
flower that's kind.
This guy that donated the 60 whatever he
donated he doesn't say what is what. He
says you know what? Let the decide. When
the takes it out whatever he takes it
out
The first whatever he takes out first
that should go towards because you don't
know which part of the flower is which
part is in the double. It's only decided
later. Okay so the decides that the
first that he took is flower. So that
gets rid of that problem.
And the second one should be the double.
Back to
ask the
big problem.
How do you make how do you put it on the
flower?
So
check this out.
Let's say I take this this bowl and I
put this on the flower.
>> [clears throat]
>> Okay.
How
could I go ahead and put this one on the
I cannot put the second bowl on the
the flower bowl. Why?
Perhaps
all 60 in this guy were all what I
promised to bring originally and then
what?
So now it comes out that this 60 is
missing how much?
This much.
One
that I put in here as a double is
missing of the 60.
You cannot bring you cannot
bring this guy guy onto the
if some of this is missing. If an animal
comes and eats a little bit out of here
the
is missing this is
leftover.
An animal comes and eats I cannot put
this on the flower.
Over here it's not an animal you
took this this plastic bowl
and put a in here. You're like an
animal. You took some of the put it over
here. You have no right to do that. I
can't I don't know what to do. Now I
can't put this on the back.
Am I
you put the on first. Put this on first.
That's also a problem.
So what do you do?
So put the
this guy on first. Put this guy on
first.
So the
no, then it'll be a problem. How do you
put this on the I need to put this on
the because perhaps there's in the
in this bowl, the big bowl.
And the the needs a
and the I have to put it on the but I
can't put this on the Why?
Again, we're going with the assumption
that perhaps worst case scenario all of
the 60 in this
silver thing is all part of my carbon.
And therefore what? The
and I already put this on the I put this
bowl on the back. Now you it's also it's
is it the right to put anything else on
the back?
Let's say I want to be a big guy. I put
this on the
and then 10 minutes later I go into my
bowl. I take another put it on the so
over is it the right so? I am giving a
more. No. It says in the book.
Once there was a fire, once the went on
to the fire, anything in addition to
that is this is the right about the
Perhaps
what's in this plastic bowl, the part is
not the part.
Perhaps it's just part of the the
carbon, the carbon. And now I'm
sacrificing, I'm being
a second time when I'm not allowed to
You're only allowed to be once, not
twice.
That's it.
Okay.
So says the
book.
The
You know what you do?
This
part
you put on the and you say, "If there is
a
part
in this in the thing, this should be my
part." But if not,
I'm turning this into wood.
I'm allowed to turn this into firewood.
I need a bird. The needs fire, needs
fuel. This is fuel. So just like we had
it in that we had in this that what? You
can take You take this flower right over
here, this flower and you say either
it's a It's a condition. Either it's a
but if it's not,
let it be wood.
You're allowed to put it up on the You
can't put it as a carbon. You can put it
as wood.
I say maybe the
is different. Not
not
if you're allowed to be my a with a
You're not Everybody holds you're
allowed to. So if you're allowed to, so
what's the problem? According to just
bring 60 and say half of it is in the
half of it is not.
This
what we just said.
The part
that's in the How do I put it on the
If I put it on the it's a problem. I'm
I'm I'm I'm
being
a verb
on the side that it's not in the I'm
being something from the original twice
after there was already was already on
the once. You can't do a second
It's the
part.
So
they argue whether you can do this trick
of switching it into wood or not. The
Okay.
So what are you telling me that
according to
you're allowed to mix the into one bowl?
And doesn't hold the other You can't
make it into wood.
If you're allowed You're permitted
to mix
the two, so look what I can do.
This bowl, I put one in this bowl.
This bowl, I have 60.
And then I touch them on the top like
this. The flowers touch.
What did I gain?
I'm going to take the from over here.
One
I'm going to take one from here. I save
all issues. What was the problem? That I
took two from here and the second I'm
going to put on the
I didn't take a second one from here.
The second one was from a separate bowl.
Just what? This second bowl is going to
take care of all the
in this bowl. How? By touching.
You're allowed to do a verb.
You're allowed to mix. So I'm going to
touch here. Touches.
This is the for all the in here. This is
the for all the in here.
But I'm allowed to bring this on the
because this is not connected to this at
all. It's not the second from here. It's
its own original part.
Huh? Yeah?
No, no, but it's different bowls,
different bowls.
No, they they touch. The
they touch. It's not They're not It's in
a separate It didn't go bowls. It didn't
change bowls. Then it's not 61 in here.
It's one in here, 60 in here and they
just touch.
It's the touching helps to to that it
could be
the from here on there.
There's my in the
The comments.
No. [snorts]
Where?
That That I went back. I went back.
Oh.
So why did not say this?
It's a great
He didn't say it because he holds you
can't mix. Another shot.
Another Again, let's go back. The say.
We have a
This is for bird.
If a person got confused and he made
a net there he's going to bring a and he
has no clue
what he said, how many It could be one
could be up to 60.
So says
a wild idea. He has to bring 60 and each
one has a different amount. One, two,
three. A total of 1830. Why? Why is 60
not enough? Just bring 60
and say, "If I said 60, great. But if I
said less than 60, so whatever I said is
the
and all the rest in that should be in
the bowl." So another
because the is in
the book.
This is not. I feel
We have a
fundamental
how much oil is necessary for 60
in the
Either 60
or one part.
And the that answers the question.
What's the answer? Because if in this in
this bowl right over here there's a
and the
So according to one man you'd need two
because it's two separate parts.
According to one man you need one. We
don't know. It's either one or two
The
say.
That's the How much oil to bring? Do you
bring one or two? And since I don't
know, you can't bring the You have to do
it all. You have to go all the way to
1830.
If it's a large
of 60, all you need is one part.
So you either need one or two.
Show man.
The other man say.
The
According to in the 60 bowl, you need 60
of oil.
And
holds no, you only need one for 60. But
since this is possible that's two
different
you need two.
But if What if it's only one
So you need one. So now I'm confused. I
don't know if I should bring one or two.
I
don't know if it's one
All it needs is one. It's
or it's two.
This one I relate to the most. This is
like easy.
What's the say?
Super easy. Everybody's not going to No
one here is going to understand it.
The is if a person says I want to bring
one of a Can
Can I bring 60? Stop.
Why not? I want to be large. I said I'm
going to bring one bag of flour. I'm
going to bring 60. says you're not
allowed to do that. That's not your
You is one. Stick to your part.
The
The I can't bring a 60 bowl.
So for every that I that that it's
possible I have to make every single
possibility. 60 possibilities.
That's it.
Because of the
say.
He didn't make it up
because they argue about the same exact
thing by a by an animal.
Like you bought a The This is exactly
the same two the
and This is not. The
He donated. He said he's going to bring
a small bowl, a small one. A 1000
pounder. He got a brother 2000 pounder.
You got it.
You can't bring larger than you than
than you were neither.
So what's the difference between a and a
bowl?
At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
There's one for 60 There's one
or one. The what goes on the
is identical in size.
I will also buy animals the
They that we bring on to the
He's supposed to bring the
the the the the the the skirt steak, all
these things
as large as the animal is, that's how
much that's how comparatively speaking
they more are going to be larger. 2000
pound animals they more are going to be
double.
That's why you change your mind. You
said you're going to bring 100 lb of
more than this back and you brought 200
lb.
I don't know what
the Rebbi maybe agreed that case that
you can't do that. Maybe
Rebbi only said it by an animal because
you're literally bringing more onto the
mizbeach. Al bahal, but when it comes to
a mincha, maybe
maybe he admits Rebbi Shimon. Tzircha.
Should we Should we do the Mishnah?
We can do the Mishnah. This is the only
time in Shas by side that there's a
siman before a Mishnah.
I looked it up this morning.
In the Mishnah, there's obviously
there's no siman. The siman is
an Amora'im kind of thing or maybe Rebbi
Shimon I don't know.
Siman eitzim zov yayin oil
shar These are all part of a lot of it
is for the next Mishnah.
This Mishnah says
if a person says I want to bring wood to
the mizbeach, he
has to bring at least two pieces that
have to do with the mizbeach.
Two pieces.
The size of the mizbeach. You know, the
size that you bring in the morning.
Maybe
he says I'm going to bring frankincense.
>> [snorts]
>> If a person donates it means one
to meet the like this. Says the Mishnah
there are in fact five different when it
comes to the Mishnah.
I know
a lot of a person says I'm accepting
upon myself
but you have to have limits. He
shouldn't give less than one to meet
the.
I'm going to add the mincha and any
mincha the five minchas that we saw the
soil
is machvas.
It should have one to meet the of one.
If
you take this
of
you mock it in your house, chayev.
Same thing it would be if you take this
and put it on the mizbeach for for not
the right reason.
What's
the two by side? Take a look at this to
remind all of them.
I said to myself
that before we learned
we weren't all very familiar with the
one.
And the
if you said to somebody ask a Shiva guy
what's
the Mishnah what's the Mishnah. It's the
two spoons and in each spoon there's one
worth of one.
>> [snorts]
>> I realized
a person says I'm going to donate gold
it shouldn't be less than the silver. If
he says silver it shouldn't be less than
the minimum small coin of silver. If he
says silver it should be one silver. Do
not bring the smallest
coin of copper that's not proper. If
copper If you ask me
if a person says I don't know what I
specified.
Maybe this is a beautiful
Keep
on giving.
And then when it comes to 100,000,
200,000, 500,000 that can't be that
much.
Have a wonderful day.
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