CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 85 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding on the bottom or actually we might even be on the top of it doesn't matter. One of the sh I don't remember which one. It was the Hebrew, the English. So smack in the middle of B. We're just going to go back a little bit of about Ravena almost lost his tongue physically, metaphorically. Uh it's not basically what he said is that if you have the right to a which is half behema and uh we know that a kaya you have to cover its blood a bee not. So now you have an animal that's 50/50 or it might be a mim whatever but let's call it a half deer half goat if you're able if you're let's say you have a sick person in the house you have to come and says you have to cover its blood says I should take his tongue out or I should get rid of his murum and thear brings ravi ravi says the exact opposite and that's why he doesn't deserve to have a tongue. He says that there's a that if a person performs a bris on shabas, he has to perform a brisma on shabas. That pushes off shabas obviously. But if you have a suffic on a brisma, you don't know exactly when the baby was born and it's right before yont. The baby was born a week before yont. You're not sure if it was born 8 days or 7 days before yont. You don't push off yont for that. So certainly when it comes to that when you have a certain case of on shabas you don't do so certainly you shouldn't do when you have a suffra that if you have to on chabas you don't cover the blood and then the gmor brings from. So we could go back like five lines from the bottom. When you blow the outside, shall prove it to you. You don't blowifer on Shabas. So he says when you do and you you have to blowifer, you don't blow it on Shabas. But if you if you have a suffix, you do do it on Y. What in the world is a suffic when it comes to to the what are you talking about is if you're not sure if it's a weekday or that makes no sense because if you know for sure that it's today you blow the so if you think that maybe it's a regular Sunday you shouldn't blow I mean if it's you allowed to blow it and if it's not then you could also blow what's the problem Okay. So, now we're on the suffish. We're talking about a situation where it's a suffic if this person is a man or a woman like a so what do you do? If you don't know if the person is a woman or a man, it's a you're permitted to blow the for them. Why? It's very obvious. If you know for certain that this is a woman, you're allowed to blow for her. We take it for granted. People blow for women all the time. You go, you take your blow. If you're allowed to do that, you're allowed to before we go into for a second, but because you're supposed to blow for a woman and you're supposed to blow for a man. So now if you have a person that's in between, you don't know what they are. So regardless, you blow for them. If it's a man, you're supposed to blow. And if it's a woman, you're supposed to blow. What's here? This is means that every time you bring a carbon, you lean with your all your body weight on the carbon's head, but a woman doesn't do so. We even have a woman, I think. Here we go. That's a man doing it. So now here the Gar is going to address the other side. But anyways, it says like this three lines from the top. It's only men that do. If a woman feels like she wants to do it, she could do it. And according to say that women should not blow a chauffix. There's there's a there's also a good argument here. You know what? When it comes to you push off, you dod on the le I can make an argument that when it comes to in the mdash we we blow also on chabas whereas in you never do it on and then the brought it yesterday was just repeating on the bas made a about that you if it's a certain brism it pushes off shabas but a suffic doesn't push off so too when it comes to since the the certain certain on you don't do so too when you have a suffic certainly you shouldn't do says everybody had a great answer you don't have mil on the y of nightar asks wait a minute but it seems like every night of the year you could do bris care you only do bris during the day not at night so you're right does not happen during the night at That's argument that in a way is weaker than from noisam is stronger. Why? Because you do you cover the blood even at night whereas you never do it at night. And the gar says these are one of the things that said I don't have a good answer did have a good answer although doesn't really exist um agree to that answer we're talking about see top of the page what's the name of the peric that is we have a to cover blood after of a and of a bird and not of so what happens you an animal you find out that it's a so it's a great question right it's a does it does it require you can't eat it so why do you have to cover its blood or another case where you can't eat it because if you take a regular mundane animal and you bring it inside it's a big is if you bring it inside get a if you bring a car and you shove it outside in Chicago, you are let's say a bird or that killed a human being and you have to you have to recycle them says why because is going to hold that that's we already discussed a number of times. times and that was in the last of which is going to bring down now whether a that doesn't allow you to eat is considered let's say you an animal forever you can't eat the meat is that considered a if it is considered a then it requires the blood requires you have to cover it if it's not considered then it's garbage so you don't have to do if anybody paid attention to the other who's who says that he says it's so why is his name here why all of a sudden because that's how Rebi the author of the mission of Paskkins instead of saying which you all say okay so it's a nice between no they holds that if the if the is not a good you cannot eat then you don't have to do. You don't have to do if you did a and it was a bad whatever you did you did wrong. You did a a terrible job in the one of the one of the issues that causes not to be good. Let's say you did um you pause in between the two the two and here the Mishna gives us here this right over here. It'sing it the wrong way. It's not called, it's called. So if you pull the the out, it's not a good. So then if it's not a good, you don't have to cover the blood says the So we have a is here. Let me just show you all this. This this I had to do myself. [snorts] Remair holds a that doesn't accomplish anything is green. It's a good hold the same thing. It's red. No good. So rebi when it comes to that's our he holds like not a good therefore no you don't need. How do I know that he holds like because he calls him he pass like him. He says yet in the Mishna beforehand the mission that we've discussing the last few days the mission of this is you hear another another one day you're not allowed tell me if you knew this before you're not allowed a mother cow a mother sheep and its offspring on the same day. You knew about this? It's a but it's okay. Yeah. Not not a lot of people. No, I'm serious. It's not a big deal. There's a lot of people don't know. Nobody know. Okay. So, that's another mission that we learned. You're not allowed to learn. You're not allowed the mother and its calf in the same day. And over there, what if you find out that one of them is a tra only is to two of them. But if you shoot one of them and she the second one that's not if one of them is and the other one is not. So over there we don't pass we passing like that's considered a even though it's so rebi look at this rebi you see this on the screen over here in by he pass on top top right and by passing like okay goes on to explain why why is he passing over here like this and over there like that. We can keep this on the screen for another minute or two. Oh, he said it in like in the name of he and he says he doesn't mention by name. He calls my time at the Why does he pass like by now the mother and her son in the same day it's considered even though it's not available to eat. Here's the tukim. This is called we have tuk that say the same exact word. So the topic says it also says that's taking a carbon and shifting it outside of it says the word by youing it outside of the English what happens you're not allowing the meat it becomes but even though it's called you that's why you get cars if it wasn't If you killed it outside of the mdash, you wouldn't get cursed. It's because you shed it outside that means it's a good even though it's not edible. It's a good like that doesn't have to be edible. So what does do how come he holds that it's not considered a good he has a completely different he learns from says he tells he tells he tells prepare a meal prepare a meal for my brothers obviously the animals and it was good it was a good for his brothers Oh now we just need to understand how come doesn't hold like doesn't hold like classic I don't understand how come doesn't learn from that over there was a good makes a lot more sense look at this ple right over here the two words are identical or at least the sameish it's about he is learning from I mean is learning from the word which also mean it means but it's a different way of writing it two different words so then what's the going to ask the classic of all this this is brought down I don't know how many times at least 10 times I see in the side here it brings 10 times but I think it's even more because There's half of the suggest not the whole suga. This is one of the most popular sugara always asks and it's all almost always the same answer once in a while the answers not not it doesn't give the full thing the gumar says wait a minute even when you have two different words but they mean the same thing you could still learn how do I know this what's the difference says so over here also the word the Wordita mean the same thing. So learn ex what's the answer that the always gives. It's obvious answer. You're right and mean the same thing and you can learn one from the other. But that's if you have no better choice. If the only two words are but by us we have a better choice. We have and which will teach us the opposite result which will teach us that it's not a good if you learn it from by it was a good but it's not. So let's do the classic over here like three lines from where we came wide. That's great. Two words that mean the same thing. You can learn one from the other if you have nothing better. But over here since we have this this is much better for us because it's identical words over there. Also, if there was two that said the word, you're going to learn from. But because I don't have two, I have. So then you put them together. Great. Now we do. How come he doesn't learn from that? What they see just like by is considered so too by You want to learn from you don't want to learn from what do you mean is also by we said that's the good that's why said now we're going back to this chart that's Why rebi chose when it comes to because of this question. It was a great question. Now my time may how come he says that it's considered and it's considered you have to do when you have a or when you have he has another let's see here we go the first it says it says in red And it it says so in both of them it says is considered doesn't learn this. If you look in the I put it in purple cuz I couldn't put it in red because the is already red. [laughter] It says what does mean the has to be such a that enables you to eat it right away. Four lines from the bottom. Why does it say that if you if you an eagle or um a pelican one of those birds? What is it? How do you say in English? Um >> a what >> stork which is a stray of bird then you do not have to cover its blood. You can't eat it. So therefore you don't have to cover it. O so it's a good kasha ask I don't understand what's the point the point is that a non bird you can't eat it and the you also can't eat it so therefore should be from that's that's exactly the reason why he liked liked when it comes You should know that didn't just say a general rule that that's not that's not available to eat is considered. No, you should know. You should know that the that's not it's not a good it is considered good but you can't eat it which the is going to say of course you can't eat it. Why would I think you could eat it? And on the flip side says that that's not a good is not considered at all it is a good remember what are the two things that a accomplishes here's another use one day I'm telling you 25 new what does accomplish oh first thing that everybody knows is that it allows you to eat the animal but also accomplishes something very important >> the animal that you does not tell me. Every animal that drops dead has t even cows and goats. But if you them, no. So this who says that it's not considered a good but accomplishes one thing. It accomplishes that the animal is not. And now we're going to go slightly deeper into what we just said. We just learned didn't just make a blanket statement and said that if it's not a good it is considered good even though it's not edible it's considered good but you can't eat it. What if you have a you have a that the is going to allow you to eat a trava? What's a trava? It has a on its lung. It has a hole in its heart. So you have a minute. You're allowed to eat it. Thank you. So we're going back to the the benameish. What was it a week ago? Not even is when you sh an animal, you find a baby inside a fetus. So you don't have to sh the baby. You could eat the baby as is without. And we even pass in even if the baby walks around and lives for another 5 years, you're allowed to eat it without you take a baseball bat, kill it, and eat it. So, so this is on the ninth month. You found a a fullterm baby. Now, what's the difference full term or not? Because in a full term, we had in the Mishna where says fullterm no doesn't apply. This is full term. It's not part of the mother. I would think that when it's a fullterm baby, but the the mother is a traif then the shall work for the baby. But what's the question? Remember it. It never works anyway. asking what do you have a fullterm baby needs a why would you think that if the mother is a you wouldn't need a for the baby makes no sense I did another one of those charts why not I was in the mood I already had the chart out so I just used it for this [cough] rebby takes of and he also takes of a that is a fullterm doesn't need a mother is enough. So he makes a he makes a salad. He takes a little bit of here a little bit of there. He holds like he takes one cheetah from here one cheater from here. [clears throat] I would think that since there's a in this case [clears throat] they check the mother and that's good enough for the baby. So even if the mother is strafe, it should work for the baby. No, it doesn't work when it's the mother's. Oh, and the continuing what we said before doesn't make a blanket statement that if it's that you cannot eat the meat afterwards. He says it's not at all yet it has the ability that the animal is not there some animals that are when they die some are not it's a so you See over here that anytime you sh the it takes away the so what's the no what happened was this happens to be and you brought it into this let's say you something that you know for a fact is a tra or you found out later that it's ava and they happen to be in He says like this since it's a did zero. If it's zero then it's as if you didn't sh it in the in the B mikdash. What if you take an animal you bring it into the B mikdash and you shoot it in the head is the meh. No because you killed it. You didn't sh it. So two if this animal is a tra and you sh it it that's like killing it and not shing it because there's nothing to do with it. The shik is not going to work. It's a tra doesn't help it. So since the doesn't help it, it's considered you killed it and it's not it's not says you lot to benefit from it. So if you lot to benefit from it, it's not considered a at all if you killed it. So maybe if it's not at all it doesn't have the power to remove that then nevertheless it removes the so it's a question this is that we have when you a regular animal not a carbon regular animal you take an animal from your backyard you know how to benefit from it that is sort of benefiting is it the rice or the raon Does hold that it's there? Yes, he does. And I'll prove it to you. He says that if it's if it when it wasn't a you should burn it. So too a wild animal that was in the you should burn it. What are you supposed to do with it? He's supposed to burn it. Now the question is why do you burn it? What's the point? So if you tell me the whole anal is also yeah it is I mean that is so now you have one because the shd when you weren't supposed to is so I'm going to go from there one step and make that also to go to but if the whole is only the hey So what's the point of why did the rabban say that it's when you an animal inside maybe you're going to eat that animal you're going to take a carbon and eat it outside of so he says like this a behema itself is one that you're not allow that you're [clears throat] not allowed to benefit from the behemoth's meat after you shift it inside not a so how's it possible? So that's number one. Now why would a beer because of this he's going to the whole is one then you take that and go to that's number two that's because of that we don't do it that makes no sense therefore it has to be that this is not this is and then I go one from this to the it's one says story he had these uh these moths that were eating up his clothes. Does anybody remember what you do when you have moths in the clothes? Blood. They hate blood. Take a bird. Take a chicken and sh it right right by the where these moths are by the water cuz the the the the cotton is sitting there uh soaking in this water. Pour the blood on the on the water and they'll fly away. What's the problem, Rabai? You have to do when you sh the chicken. You have to do you're not allowed to deliberately put blood of a chicken in something. They'll smell the the blood and they'll run away. If you need the blood, you have to you have to cover it. You either you don't check it. You cut it this way. You you pull it out. He what he said is you should first make it a let's say break its wing or something and then he didn't say what he meant to say is cut its wrong way do it in a way that's not a real if if he said to break its wing why did he say just the wrong way the reason is because there's no for a bird you don't have bird. It's like a fish. So if you cut it the wrong way, it's still considered so it wouldn't work. And you have to do a command from the wants by a bird. So is from the certainly if you cut the the neck of the chicken the wrong way it's not at all but if you first break its wing normally so okay you can't eat it it's a but it's considered and you require okay we'll stop over Boyai have a wonderful day and we should see the building of the visiro. >> Merit the schlus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor [music] at mdy.com.