CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 80 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. I don't know if you were here last night, [clears throat] but because it got very late and I didn't want to hold the Israelis up outside past 11:00. Anyway, as is we got home about 12:30 a.m. So, we had to stop Shir on top of B. So, we're a full behind. We're going to go back a couple lines just to get the very stuff today. is the is that we discussed the other day to certainly a mother and her offspring on the same day. A mother and her daughter, a mother and her son and we had if it also applies to a father and a son, a father and a daughter. On the one hand, the Torah says which refers to the father. On the other hand, it says that the so there's a a connection and animals. The mother has a connection with her offspring, but the father does not, right? Well, it's not so much the human aspect of it, the the animal aspect of it, the dedication that a mother naturally has for her offspring. So, it's so when you think about it, what are the differences between that we know of right now? The differences between and what's the difference? you have covering the blood only by not it doesn't apply to so when you have this case right over here on the screen which is you take a goat and a sheep and something else comes out they're both beas so either way you look at it there's of the is when it comes to and that's another we're going to learn today. What is a kai? A kai could be maybe a wilderbeast. It could be a buffalo. The talks about maybe it's this, maybe it's that. But the way we're understanding it at this point according to this band, it's actually something that's created today. It's not its own >> species. It's you take a a deer and you take a bea and out comes this guy in the middle called a what's the difference between this and this? a big difference when you have two behemoths. So then the offspring is a Baha 100% genetically behema. over here you have a problem that 50% of it is actually and on there's no >> so says there is says no I agree I disagree when is there when you take a goat and a sheep and you put them together but when you take When you put them together, okay, now let's talk about a there's two possibilities even in this mandar that it's the one of the parents is but it doesn't say which one. Maybe maybe the mother is a kaya or maybe the father is a kaya and there's a huge difference huge cuz when the mother is the so you know who the mother is and we definitely go with the mother we have a big question that's part of today's a big part of today's do we care about the father at all maybe yes maybe not but one thing for sure we definitely care about the mother and if the mother's problematic What? What? What are we talking about? When the mother is like this picture right over here, the father is a goat. The mother is the goat goes through it. It's this case right over here because if you the mother and so don't even look in the gumar look at this picture right over here you the mother who's a deer and the and the and the son who's a [snorts] >> what the mother is is she's 100% % and you cannot be on one even if one out of the two is you can't be is only by if the mother is 100%. So what if the if the if the child if the fetus the the the offspring is 50% a but the mother is so in this it can't be this case why over here when the mother is the mother is this case right over here the father is a deer and the mother is 100% the behemoth the she had offspring now you her a 50% behema here's the question wait a minute but in this case called who so at this point of the gmorrah And that's the discussion where that's a big and the sug does it have to be 100% a sheep or even 50% a sheep. We're going to see there's a Omar that says which is who says that 50% is 0%. You have to be a thoroughb bread. You have to be a 100enter. If you're a 75% sheep or 50% sheep, you're nothing. You're not a sheep. But at this point, if she's a behemoth and her and her why because her son is 50% uh a goat, 50% a So says, "No, we're talking about the first case that the mother is and the father is a vulbasen here." Not this this case they had offspring and that offspring had offspring. >> Oh. Because what was the whole problem? The whole problem was that you the one on the right, the top right, and she is 100% the deer and 100% deer. You can't be over 100% deer. One out of the two is there's no no you didn't. You the offspring with the offspring. The offspring is not 100% kaya. offspring is 50% kaya and the is whatever 100% like your mother I don't know what so now you didn't she 100% when when are you not say when one of them is 100% we thought without the baby in the bottom bottom we thought that weeded the on the top right and her daughter but the isaya you can't do is when one of them is the answer is no no we didn't sh the weed the daughter of the of the one that's 50% we shifted hered her and him so that was the sh because [clears throat] so I have to be concerned for the father and who's the father who's the father in this case so since it's a in the bas so we have iso here And I don't care how much even 50% that's enough to be at this point says holds I don't care at all about the father garnished father I disregard him completely. So over here he says this is and we have to remember this is that according to we stick with this according to I do not say I don't say that 50% sheep is a sheep in other words according to 50% sheep is equal what >> zero 50% is zero so if I have like in this case I have a bas that she's 50% goat 50% deer She's 100% dear cuz all I care about is the mother and the mother's a dear. I don't care about the father. Ask question. Why are you giving me a in this case over here of a koi? It's a far-fetched. There's not a single person in this room that ever saw koi in his life. I think unless the kai is those animals in the in the safari that the is going to discuss later but this kind of kai who's ever seen one the a hybrid of a deer and a goat and you're going into whole do I care about the father I don't care about father I have a bomb mus a real that's to us on a daily basis can a father bull and a son in the today Every day on Sunday they do every day. Do I have to be concerned about a father and a son? Do I care about the father or we disregard the father? That's that that would be a more important I think that I have to talk about the story. Why? Because I feel I feel I don't think there's no Isra at all I think that usually do care about the father but in this case no I need a real 100% bread so that's why we said the is by and not by the regular case of now the gammor jumps into another case we we know there's a of now say again let's do this who do you do that for who do you cover the blood only of a but you never do it for a for a cow for a sheep or a goat so now I have a koi and a koi is a combination of two two things of a kay and a goat on the sad on the 50% sad that it's a I have to do on the 50% that it's a goat I don't do. So what do I do to beer to cover a cow's blood is so it says you shouldn't in other words we have a suffic remember that it's a suffic there's no here I don't know what to do and if you went ahead you didn't listen you don't do they might ask you know what's the If the mother is a So think about it for a second. If the mother is or not, you know 100%. I don't I don't care about the father so much. I I know the mother is why even even it's 100. It's 50% for sure. There's no question 50% we we know who the mother is 50%. No, the mother is a the father is what I I'm always concerned. I don't know but I have to be concerned about the father. So the father is is a deer. So just on the maybe maybe maybe he's a this animal. So it's a mix of it's a little bit of a let's go do says I'm not concerned about a father at all 50% father is 0% zero it's nothing nothing we're talking yes we are talking about that the mother is a goat oh so new thing and we're going to stick with this not only going to stick with this we're going to Everybody holds this. Now what? We don't know if I'm concerned about the father or not. It's a suffic if I am concerned about the father. So what do we have here again? The father is a deer. But I don't know if I should be concerned about a father or not. It's now should I be on the then maybe I have to be concerned about the father. It's only 50. It's it's a suffic on a suffic. I shouldn't I'm not going to be This idea that I'm not that should I be concerned about the father is a suffic I I I say I say let's be concerned about the father but not to the point where okay so what's the obvious thing the conclusion we have say I have a suffix if I should be for the father or not and aren't what I don't care because can't say the same thing if I care about the father and everyone say I know for for sure that I don't care about the father the problem is we have another I showed you the picture of me giving I'm show you something else a little different this is what you have to give these three parts the jaw the for leg and the stomach. Now this of of of matis is only by a not by it's another thing mat you don't give a kayen from so now we have again the same question same idea we have a k he's 50% he's 50% what do I do with the jaw with the fore leg and the ka do I give it to or not there's a little bit of a a trick not a trick there something different what's different when it comes to mus you tell you tell the you tell I don't know if I have to give it to you I don't know what is it's a 50/50 if you could prove to me what this animal is what I'm then here take it but until you can prove it you don't have it listen to this we're almost on today's boy said don't worry about If if the father is sorry the father and mother are both behemoths. So of course you have to give matar because either way you look at it the father is this animal is a beah [clears throat] one way here father and mother are one is a goat one is a sheep it's 100% a [laughter] same thing like you said on the beginning of the but when it when the when the the this is a mixture of and then you pot why that it's a you says you What are we talking about? What are we talking about? If we're talking about a goat with a deer, the deer is the mother. The is the mother and that we know and then we're staying with that realizer holds that what it cannot be 50% in order to be it has to be 100% to be. And since the mother is a deer, you potter. Uh, no. Sorry. No, no, no, no. Oh, yeah. Is so since the mother is a deer and a deer is potter for potter 50%. say you are 50% the half of the mother of the three part so don't don't give half so in that case bring a that I care about the father and the father is a behemoth and if you could prove to me I care about a father then you'll get 50% % but when the mother is a so now there's 50% you definitely have to give because I know who the mother is the mother is a I have to give at least the 50% of the mother if I'm not and this is a tremendous proof and sticks with this proof if I don't care about the father according to at all zero. So what's the mother a bea and a beah you have to give 100% matanis you have to give if it's a then I have to give all the jaw the foreign like everything to the ken the only way to get out of it is if I care about the father and the father there's no matanis but I don't care about the father so why don't they give a hundred listen to this we're talking about the fathers oh so we said if the father You should have to give 100% of the matas. >> I don't care about the father. is not sure and are not sure. So where's they both argue? I've never seen a everybody agrees to each other. Say I care. I'm not sure but I I have to be concerned about the father and says I'm not sure I have to be concerned about the father. They say the identical thing. So where's So that gives us a whole another exactly that is 50% sheep 100% sheep or 0%. If 50% is is a sheep, then it's 100%. And that applies also to 50% you're hold and this we're going to be consistent with this for the rest of the day. The what holds if something is 50% 50% equals zero. In this case, what do we have here? I just show you. The mother is a deer, the father is a goat. When it comes to kadam, the mother is a deer. So the offspring is 50/50. 50% deer, 50% goat. Now what happens with the mothers of deer, 50% deer? And let's think about this 50% according to is enough according to 50% is zero. So what happens according to since the mother is a deer 50%. So the baby is 50%. 50% is enough according to you completely. But wait a minute we said it's a suffic if you should do or not. So it can't be this case on. What are you doing? Do you do or not? Why? It can only be in the reverse case. When the father is a deer because when the mother is a deer, the wouldn't say it's a 50% deer. The mother is 50% dear is 100% dear. They say you shouldn't you shouldn't do it's I don't know what to do. Why do they say it's a suffic? Why do they say I don't know if the mother's a deer? It's 100% it's not it's not even a shil. And according to it's not a shil it's not a suffic. He also says it's a problem. The father is a deer and the mother is a goat and on a goat you don't do I have to be concerned about the father. >> Both of them and I I I care about it. But guess what? According to I care I have to be concerned about the father. But that that only makes it 50%. Even if I care about the father, it's how much? 50%. And I don't 50% is 0% according to but according to that I care about the father 50% is enough what it's a suffic because maybe I have to be concerned about the father. Maybe not on the side that I have to be concerned about the father but maybe I don't care about a father. Maybe the father's a garnished. So [snorts] I do it mafic after it's mafic. But according to even if I know for a fact that the father's a dear that only gives me 50% the k is only 50% dear and on 50% 50% equals zero. So therefore so the goes through these steps now the only case is a deer. I just explained it a deer with a goat. First of all we have a concern. Do I care about the father on the right? That's me. That's number one. And then they have the is after I care about it. Once I decide, okay, I suff and now what? So I care about it. So now the most at most the is 50% deer but also 50% goat. And a 50% isn't nothing according to I have to be concerned about 50%. It's also about matanis. The exact same thing here. Let me show you matanis. >> Check this out. Let's do matas. If the father is a deer and you do not give for deer. So what do I do? You see how Yoshi did it this is 50/50 on that he's a deer potter on the side that he's aim but according to let's think about according to I don't care about 50%. Zero mm what? the father is avi let's see inside test I had to change something else also okay >> where are we oh I jumped maybe oh no I have to do I have to do my tonis So [clears throat] if the mother is a goat according to you be no hold on but it's only it's only safic one minute >> according to you would have to be okay according to you' be in half that's why it's be and half matanus you have to give half matus on the side of of the mother. You don't give 100% matanis. You give 50% matanis on the on the mother's side. You for sure have to give 50%. According to 50% maybe it's the father. So you don't on the 50% you don't have to give unless he can prove that >> according to I wrote I wrote potter >> right. >> Oh he he changed it. It's not. Half is nothing. Half is nothing. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. So, I don't know what happened. Okay. Potter. Potter. According to since it's only 50% goat, it's 50% goat. It's good. It's good. Good. Leave it in, >> Dave. Leave it in. >> Go back. Yeah. According to Since it's 50% goat, so 50% you don't have to give him a ton. You have to need You need 100% goat in order to give him a ton. >> Great. Now when it's let's go to here we go is only on a not so it doesn't matter what see inside whether the father is a is a beah [snorts] or let's let's do the opposite whether the mother is a kaya Whether the mother is a goat if the mother is you [clears throat] don't get malus on this. Why? Because since there's no on a on a mother on just a right on a there's no just what maybe I have to care about the father the father is a goat and there is on a goat but that's suffix says rashi or just easier to understand I don't know if I could give him malus maybe I don't care about the father maybe I do care about the father I can't give him doesn't say that says a little bit deeper a little bit earlier he says it's we're not going to get into it he says you can't even give astra you can't even warn somebody that you're going to get malus because you don't know what to warn him you don't know if it's if the father counts or the father doesn't count >> okay but it's I have to be concerned about the father is a goat and they hold that 50% is 100% I have to be concerned about it 50% presenter and the father is a goat. Therefore, it's the father the the father and the uh the offspring but you can't give even if you say that so according to what would happen it's not even because even what's the worst case scenario that I care about the father he's only 50% goat 50% is zero realize 50% is zero now you go to the case they flip it that the mother is the and there is a problem you do get check this out and you get malus but according to you don't get malus why the mother is 100% so just for that you have to get I What about the father? So 50% is also okay. It's enough to get why if I don't care about the father at all. So this thing is 100% there's a 100% a go but on the on the there's a father he is both don't know what to do. Do I care about the father? I don't care about the father but maybe there there is a father here that's and if there's a father then you don't have 100% pure bread it's a 50 and 50 is zero according to all right take a breather now now we're going to go into interesting what is and go through all sorts of animals videos what is a koi it's not this it's not this that we're talking about the whole time that the father is a is a kaya the the the the mother is a beah or vice versa and we have this massive animal this interesting that's how we learn yeshiva no why because rahuda holds that physically it's impossible for a to get pregnant from a behemoth so it just doesn't work you can't put them together but he holds that what it's something. It's like a It's like one of these crazy animals in the in the safari, the wilderbeast. It's a It What is it? That's we were sitting there. We didn't know what it was. A buffalo. It's something, but we don't know what. We do know. It's this wild goat. I I just threw in a picture here just for It's a little bit larger than a regular goat. It's a wild goat. You have it here in It's not antelope. It's a wild goat. It's a massive goat. >> I like ibex. Very good. That's a makes sense. It's not a goat, but it's it's like the next step up from a goat. >> Mountain goat. >> A mountain goat. Now, you have a big problem. Mountain goat. Exactly. You have a big problem here. If it's a goat then it's of a mountain goat and it's then of it's all sorts of things. So we have some say it's this mountain goat and some say no it's when you take a deer and a and a goat you put them together and chit says it doesn't even work. It doesn't work. Okay. Like it's its own breed. It could be a moose. It could be a buffalo. Couldn't they didn't come to any conclusions. We don't know. Look at a buffalo. One of the most dangerous animals in in certain areas. It's the most dangerous animal in the safari. Without warning comes, attacks you, kill. I have a video I'll show you soon. And we're going to have some repetition here. I'll prove to you it's an animal. This is proof. When you could take what's the difference between one of the big can you domesticate can you take will the beast? Can you take zebras and domesticate them? The answer is no. They're not domesticable because that's the way you maybe one. Maybe one you could take and and domesticate it in a in a in a in a in a in a circus. You can take a lion, but you can't take prides of lions and domesticate. You can't just just these wild goats, these mountain goats, you they're bringing it on to check out. Very important to see this. When the Torah says does not refer only to be it means all animals even why says that's what we know cows sheep and goats those are the only then the the says I just made it red and blue because I didn't want to get into a lot of colors but there's there's another seven we have no idea what these things are although A lot of claim they know. For instance, Z many people say Z is a >> giraffe and they say it's a buffalo. >> But the is going to go through it. Maybe I don't know what this we're going to be discussing a lot. The mountain goat. What is a mountain goat? Maybe it's one of these things that I don't know. Maybe it's the I don't know what a is. So maybe the Torah is talking about a mountain goat. In other words, so here's the here's the here's the the maybe it's a mountain goat and therefore a mountain goat doesn't belong in belongs to if you tell me a mountain goat is a a so it's a so then it's then you can bring it on and that's that but if you tell me that a mountain goat is belongs to that's already etc all the stuff so you can't do more than And these mountain goats, these wild goats. It's not in this. Look, I don't see mountain goat over here. So, obviously, we're talking about that it is part of the but it's included in it's a goat. It's a mountain goat. So, it's part of the It's not the Wait a minute. Don't Don't have trauma. It's 22 seconds. Now we're doing We're not even going to clu. That's how that's how short the is. We're only doing that's it. Maybe we have a cl and a when the says it means all animals. And the says a bunch. So >> it's a cl it tells you only these and then it adds many more. Maybe the mountain goat is not included in the puzzle but it's still because the Tyra is expanding. It's not only these seven, it's 8 n 10 also including mountain goat which is not in the puzzle know that's not good and then why did the say seven should three five why seven to tell you only these and therefore the concept of pto cl flies out the window maybe this goat is a and it's the last word on the second to last line over You and I have no clue what is. You know what is a mountain goat? Maybe it's a on the bottom line. Maybe Z. Who told you Z is a giraffe? Maybe Z is a mountain goat. Z and giraffe don't sound even the same. Oh, this mountain goat. That tells me what? That it is a Could I put it on? Is it a So a lot of people say is a buffalo. this is it a now anybody that went to the safari knows the over here understands this perfectly well and and I'll show you in a second a buffalo [laughter] listen to this this word in the look up. Theos says what's tobah if you think about it. What's a ty is a bullbar. [clears throat] Oh, it's a but you know what it's in the it's in the right. It's right in there. I'm sorry. Says >> where am I here? It's in the So obviously, yes, it's it looks like a but look what it acts like. Have you ever seen a a sheep throw a person up in the air 25 ft? Yeah, sometimes they do go a little crazy. Th this mountain goat is 100% a it's it's a goat as we have before just repeating maybe it's a says is a giraffe many others say a is a giraffe I think the consensus is by a lot of the the is that a zmer is a giraffe a soy is a buffalo but no no 100% and concrete things he held and a mountain goat you're allowed to eat even it's bad this is very simple because if you remember when we did the 12 cases and everybody's into it we're going to do two three cases now our cannot go Let's do the case mind. What do we have? We have a mother and her son that that are carbon and you shifted it outside the mdash. Outside of mdash >> outside is migdus you have a carbon outside. >> So the first one is chorus and >> malus. We have two cases. We have we have the the mother and the and the offspring are outside of the first one he messed up on. The second one we want to say it's the second one the sonus that's what we said the problem is one holds that anytime you shift an animal illegally in other words where he cannot eat the meat it's zero you're going to hear now you're not even you can't believe it it's not a not aita so if it's not a then what happened to the second one the second one all of a sudden becomes available to the B mikdash. I could have shed the the son inside the B mikdash. Why? Because it's not the why can I the mother because I already Why can I sh the son? Because I already checked to the mother. But I didn't shake the mother. I shot the mother. Iso is only when I do to the mother. I can't do to the son. What if I shoot the mother? I'm allowed to sh the son in the same day. If I sh the mother and it's zero, why is it zero? Because I can't eat the meat. It's puzzle. It's outside then I could check the mother then I do have the the ability to sh the son in the m and if I and now I shift it outside on the sun and it doesn't say that doesn't say only malus so it can't be last line on If you have a that doesn't allow me to eat the meat. So the first one you didn't what did you do? You murdered it. You killed it. And if you killed it, then the second one you're allowed then you're allowed to bring the son into the that day. It's not and since you didn't bring him inside it outside, what happens? is on the second one. So it can't be according to let's keep on going. I know that we have the same sponsors but let's do the next case. You have two animals the mother and his son brought them inside. The first one you were not allowed to bring to mdash. Why it's inside? What do you get for the first one? >> It's only so nothing happens. Sorry. No, it's only possible. You don't get anything. You don't get for the first one. The second we get but according to the first one you murdered. So the second one is not not okay. If you two inside what happens I we have to put in this the editor should put in take it from the share before you put two inside the first one is 100% good perfect the proud on the second one now this is going to blow everybody's mind the first one is great the second one you get malus Why? Because the is tiny that even the first one is not a good why. Why you can't eat it now? Why can't you eat it? Cuz you can't eat it right away until you do. It's not like an animal where the moment I could eat it over here. I have to do another I have to perform another I have to do. >> It's unbelievable. So it's not it's not the I told you I told you you're going to you're going to be surprised there as long as you don't do. So what if you did five minutes later but at the time of the you didn't do so it wasn't that that allowed you to eat at that point according to the first one was not was a killing. So why do you get the can't be like why do you have to tell me this? Of course the is not this unbelievable that everybody was wondering what's going on here but it is a good and I'll prove it to you. What if you what if you killed an animal for sure you can't you can't eat the meat. So when you do and you do eat the meat later why because it is a good no you need a cereal for those two things but at the end of the day according to that's not considered a good so comes out a thing and according to there's never it's impossible it is a wow have a wonderful >> [music] >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shir today. mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor atmop.com.