CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 8 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning rab boys and I Omar Ruby Shua Ben Levy were holding like 14 lines from the bottom of Dav Zayin Amud Bet. Today we have a little Agata we're starting out the Agata we have great great Sugyas that with our AI animation and pictures it's going to be crystal clear like you've never seen before and it's going to be easy and get schmacked. Says the Gamorah maybe Shua Ben Levy Lam Ani Grish Manyemim. These wild mules that Rupina Ben Yair was very worried about and and concerned that Rebbe had them in front of his house. Why are they called Yemim? Says the Gamorah Shem Musan Mutal Al Brius it's a Lashon of fear that human beings are are fearful from them. No one ever came to me to ask me for a Bracha or Aitzos or what to do with a Zetz a wound he received from this white mule the Choya and lived. There are people who were injured by these mules and they they ended up living. Amas we must say Vachoyos. I've never seen a wound that healed. The person lived but the wound is everlasting. As the Gamorah Vachazina Demitasei I have no people that got wrecked by a mule and they lived. They got better yeah they got better. The the wound lived. They got better. Demitasei they healed. Not not yeah I would not think that. I misspoke. Vachazina Demitasei you see that they healed. Says the Gamorah Dechivron Rish Karayu Kamino I'm talking about a specific mule. I just took a Snapchat from the video. It's a It's a red mule, but it has white feet. It was very difficult. It was like a milli- It was like So, I caught it right over there. That is the story, my brothers. It's the story of woman. That's where he gets gazetted. So, it's a It's not a white mule. It's a red mule that has white white feet. And that's why they're so Only that breed is very dangerous. Says the Gemara, "Ain od milvado." Rabbi Yitzchak said, "These are three beautiful words." Why? Over Hanina. Rabbi Hanina said, "Ain od milvado" means I I believe that there's nothing but the Ribono shel Olam. Nobody can control anything. Everything's controlled through Over Hanina. "Va'afילו kishufim ain od milvado." Overrides kishufim. You would think that somebody does kishuf does How do you say it in English? Magic sorcery. Sorcery. Sorcery doesn't work against ain od milvado, against Hakadosh Baruch Hu. Says the Gemara story, "A sota haves kama hadru lemishkal afro." She was trying really hard to grab some dirt. Every- There's no There's nothing besides the You can't circumvent the Ribono shel Olam even with kishuf. I would think that kishuf has some sort of power. So, there's a woman When you see the etzem, there is it could circumvent, but not Hakadosh Baruch Hu. It circumvents maybe nature, maybe regular stuff. The haves come out of the mishkal afro mitzei keri derech Hanina. She She really tried hard to get a little dirt from underneath his feet cuz that's how you could do some real good kishuf. So, she's crawling on the floor. As he's walking, she's trying to pick up some dirt. Omer lo, "What are you What are you trying to hide? What are you doing?" Shkoyrely Shkoyrely take go gezunter heit. Here, grab. Lo yimsalel milsech. It's not going to work for you. Ain od milvado k'siv. It says ain od milvado. Ain od milvado k'siv. As the Gemara of Omer Rabbi Yitzchak says Kishuf and Kishufim. Why is it called Kishuf? Kishufim. They Um, how do you say black crystal? Weaken. Oh, weaken. Weaken the upper enchelons. The the the Basically you're going you're doing things against against nature. So you see that the Kishuf does have power. >> [snorts and clears throat] >> So to speak. Against nature. Says the Gamorah Shani Rab Hanina the official says you're right. Kishuf could work against somebody. But not against Rab Hanina who has many S'chussim. V'omer Rab Hanina ain odem and this is where we stop before we go into the Sugya of knives. Very interesting Sugya. Take this. This is a piece. Halevai everybody should think about this and know this. V'omer Rab Hanina ain odem it's boi milimata. No one gets a a boo-boo, a little bang on his finger in this world elo im k'machrizim olav milimata. Everything has a cheshbon. There's a reason for everything. Even something as simple as a little scrape, a little burn, a little something, a little something with your finger. Ain odem it's boi milimata elo im k'machrizim olav milimata. It has to be a decree that Ellie is going to bang his finger. So you'll you'll never understand Hashem's ways. Omer Rab Elazar. Dam nikov miratzo kidam oilo. If a person cuts his finger he's drilling something into the wall and it slips and he gets a little blood comes out. That's the blood of a carbon. It's like the dam of oilo. Omer Rabba, let me ruin it for you. B'gudo yamin it's only if you stub your right toe. Not your left, your right toe. U'b'niko shaini and it must have been the second time that it happened but good u'b'niko shaini. so say say say Robert has to be three things that you think you're going to make a carbon if you get a little booboo and you think no no no it's only your right toe twice in a row going for everybody ask oh going for how do you stub your toe what so he says so he says they say that when he was going he had a he had a bad hero or something and that it's on the those hero I'm rather love I repeat he never made a mighty on bread that wasn't his in other words he never enjoyed somebody else's thing he he wanted to earn it himself says tomorrow I'm rather said okay when he was a little boy and from the day I guess he became a bar mitzvah he never had no of it he never benefited he wouldn't take any money from his father he wanted to be completely independent Omar so here we go beautiful Sugio let's pull out our knife here it's smack no it's just fun to watch Benny he's so nervous that it's going to slip you put this on the fire and it turns hot red red says red the most says white it means red red hot red hot what's the concern that it when I put it on the animal's neck the heat is getting it not the knife I want to get shocked by a slice not by the pure heat the heat can go right through the animal's neck that's not shrita. Or Mashonaland even sucking the sugar and the ball shrita is not shrita. It's a good shrita. Why? He do that quite a little bit more. And this is super important. This is what we're going to be discussing. How long do we need to understand what happens first? In a micro in a millisecond level. What happened first? Was the neck cut by the sharpness of the knife or by the heat of the knife? And that makes it tremendous enough to mean it. If the heat came first, it's not a good shrita. If it if there was sharpness of the knife first and then only afterwards does heat, that's something else. Then it's fine. And then we're going to see beautiful enough to mean it's here. Ask the Gamora. So, he do that quite a little bit more. You should know that the sharpness goes first on a on a millisecond, a millionth of a second before the heat is the sharpness of the knife first. It makes even sense logically. I can hear that. Physically, there's a physical cut from the knife and the heat only catches up a second later. It's not Okay. Ask the Gamora of it is done then. What does that mean? Everybody agrees if I take a hot torch, I take a cigarette and I puncture the animal's simonem, it's trachea, it's esophagus with a cigarette, that animal just became a treif. If I take a hot knife, I take this part of the knife, not the sharp part of the knife, this entire part right over here, which is boiling hot, and I put it on the trachea, it burns. It sizzles. It goes pss. At that moment, I made it a treif. A moment later, I cut through the second the second simonem. I'm talking about in a millisecond thing. What happened first? You're right. The sharpness comes first. So, I went sharp. I I shaked it. But a A later, the side of the knife touches that pipe that I just cut. And the m'meilah, it got burnt. Got burnt, it became a treifa. A millisecond later, it cuts the second siman, the esophagus. But but that time it's too late. I already burnt, I already caused damage, I already put my cigarette on the first siman, and I made it a treifa. Why is that not a problem? So, what if I cut? No, no, no. It's not a treifa when I cut because that's what I'm supposed to do. I'm supposed to I'm supposed to shecht. I'm not supposed to burn. I hear I hear what you're saying. What? After I cut the first siman. Reb Moishe Sai, if I burn the first siman, you're imagining that I made it a treif? I just burnt the first siman after I cut it, but I didn't finish my shechita. I burnt the first siman before I finished my shechita. I started shechita, I cut pipe number one, burnt it, and then cut pipe number two. I'm not going to do it now, or maybe I could. At the end of the day, you're taking the neck of the bird and of the animal, and you're bending it back like this. This is what they do even on the machine today. On the backs, they call it a backs. They have this $100,000 pneumatic backs that grabs the the cow and flips it flips it over, and it's completely immobilized. And there's a piece of metal underneath the neck of the cow, and it pulls the neck backwards. And it puts a tremendous strain on this pipe. If I take If I take a knife, and I cut this pipe, what's going to happen? It's going to pop open. On the spot. Says the Gemara, when I cut the the pipe, the this trachea splits to both sides and doesn't allow the knife to burn it. There's no burn. It's not touching the pipe the the knife never hits the sides of the trachea because it's such There's There's There's There's There's a pull. There's tension on both sides. The only The only thing I thought about it and I whatever. Sometimes when you when you cut a tablecloth, you know, your two kids are holding it like this and you put a a scissor down the middle. You're going like this a a plastic tablecloth. It pulls to the side. The scissor is never touching either side of the tablecloth. It's just hitting the area of the cut, but that's it. So, says the Gemara It says shchita merubah rova. It never has a chance to burn the two sides. Here, we have we have video actually. Why am I saying this? Everything's in video. This is the Gemara's question. You have a hot burning device. This is never done in history. All this brand new. Temedyai. Look at that. As he cuts, he's burning the sides. You want to say he didn't get through the rove. Whatever it is, he certainly didn't get to the next. So, siman. This is not great because I I would like it to pop open sooner, but anyway, what the point is that it pops. It splits to the side. It It goes away from the knife in this picture and it doesn't have a It doesn't have a chance to sizzle and burn. Yiboyilu. Lebin chapuled vehicle boy if somebody gets a whack with a piece of metal. Boom, somebody hits him really hard. Forget if it's hot or not. This is not hot, okay? This cold. Goes like this. And it's this size. Let's Let's for argument's sake, let's call this a griss, okay? It's the size of some sort of coin, this size. And as it heals, it turns colors and it looks like taras. So, you go to the coin. Now, if you didn't get a whack, one day you wake up, a person wakes up, he finds a weird color on his skin. Goes to the coin. The coin is mazgrum. The coin says, "You need to go You need I need to put you in in seclusion. I'm being mazgrum for a week, and let me check it out in another in a week." Coin comes back, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai comes back, checks it out, go in for a second week. Two weeks, nothing changed the second week. But, when it comes on top of a whack, that's called schin. It's called schin. How many of you knew what that was? Not too many. Schin. And on that, there's a maximum of 1 week. He looks, sees if there's anything if there's two hairs grow there. Did it spread? No. Go home. There's something else called a michva. Same exact thing. Just rather than it happening from a whack, it happened from a burn. Let's say this is very hot, very hot, and it goes like this. Then, you know how it goes. There's a whole process of how it starts healing. It turns colors. Let's say it turns white. And all of a sudden, oh, it looks like tsara'as. He goes to the coin. Same exact thing. 1 week. After a week, it didn't change, it didn't grow, not tsara'as, go home. Instead of 2 weeks. What if he gets a whack? Gets a whack. And then he gets a burn on the same exact area. Because he's he's he's uh experimenting with his system. So, he Oh, wow, that hurt. And then he he burns his Oh, that hurt in the same exact spot. So, we go by the second one, not by the first one. It's called That would be a burn, not a schin. If the burn happened first, It's the same 1 week. Yeah, yeah, but I'll I'll just explain in a second. I'm I'm saying the idea, and then I'll explain why what's an outcome, you know? Let's say he gets a burn, and then he gets a whack. What What comes second? The whack? The bang? So, we go it's shchin. It's a bang. If If the bang happened first and then a burn, it's the burn. It's a mikvah. >> [laughter] >> Because it's very very important, what if he got a half a circle, not a full circle? A half a griss is not enough. See, he has a half a griss over here and then he has another half a griss. So, if he got a half a Yeah, Nachman, you with me? Everybody's with me? He gets a He gets a half a circle on the right, a bang, and then 2 days later he gets another half a circle of a bang. The two circles get together. Two halves make a whole. That's a mikvah. What if he gets a half a circle burn and then a the the left side half a circle burn? It's a burn. What if he gets one and one? No good. They don't combine. A half a burn and a half a bang, no combi- combination. What if he got half and then he got a whole? You have to know or another half and then you got a Let's say you got a half a the the right side is a bang. The left side was a burn and then another half a burn again. Let's say the one on the right you got a half a circle a bang. And then the left side he got a half a circle a burn. They don't go together. But then he got a half a circle bang on the left side. They go together because the second one was a bang. Let's say it was the opposite. He got a half a circle bang. Then he got another half a circle bang. But on the half a circle that had a bang, he got a burn. So, now it turns into a burn and a burn and a bang don't go together. That's the whole sugia. And I have video of it. I'll show you in video. I boil them. Leibenshapo. So, now here comes the question and that has everything to do with our knife. We're going to bring a raya from the shchita knife. Why? This piece of metal was heated up and gave a guy a whack. It's a whack and a burn together. Which one is first? What do we say by a knife? What do we say what's first? The cut comes before the heat. So, maybe the bang comes before the heat. And then you're going to say, "Well, wait a minute. Cut is a sharp is a sharpness the edge of the knife and this is a blunt object." That's the answer. But that's that's what we're getting to. So, the right side it's red. Red is a bang in our sugia for us at least for MDY. White is uh if anybody got a burn knows that's a little bit what it looks like. Do do these two things half bang half burn half shin right side of shin half mikva on the left do they combine? No, they do not combine. Half and half don't combine. What happens if he has shin? He got a bang on the right burn on the left. But then afterwards the burn turned into a bang. He banged it. So, this does combine. You got a bang and a bang. You got a bang better bang and it's Tommy. What if it started out the left side started out as a bang? So, now you think, "Oh, he has a full sheer a full gris a circle of bangs. He's Tommy." But then this khakham goes and gets it branded. So, it turns into a mikva. It turns into a burn. A burn and a bang do not combine and then maylo he's tar. So, the more asks what happened he heated this up and he whacked him in the hand on a half a circle. On the left half. Did the bang come before the heat or the heat came before the bang? If the heat comes first then the guy is Tommy. Why? Because the bang came second. And this and then you have a situation where it's shin and shin. Because it came second. Second always wins. But if the second thing was the heat, was the burn, so the skin came first, then comes the mikvah second, and then you have a situation where it is half and half. It's sorry, this. It will be tar. Skin and mikvah tar. And then we might want to prove from our sugiyah. And then the the the then the sugiyah is over. Says the Gemara, He brought a little leban chap of viga boy. He has a red hot piece of metal, but he also gave him blunt force. Viga boy, mishum skin nidan or mishum mikvah nidan? Do we look at it as a wound, as a blunt What do you What do you call it? Blunt trauma? Or mikvah is it a burn nidan? Lamina of give me know what's the difference. Let me explain to you. Skin or mikvah mitamin beshavua echad. If a person has blunt trauma or a burn, it you only do hazkar for one week, not two weeks. Bishnei simanim and these two things that have to occur in order for him to be tamei tamei to become tamei besey lav and to have white hair over fisyon if it spreads. But lam achil kimat kasuv. Oi, once again I forgot. But there's a parsha that talks about skin, five pesukim. And then there's a parsha right afterwards from pasuk of dalet on, another five pesukim that talks about mikvah. The question is if they're identical in halacha, why not just say skin umikvah in one pasuk and then you could say five pesukim. It's one parsha for two. Why do you need two separate? Very simple. To teach us a yesod that they're very very different and you need two parshiyot for it. Why? Because they're different. And do not combine a mikvah with a skin and a skin with a mikvah. They're different. Let me show you something from the Gemara. Vetanya, eizu skin eizu mikvah? What's the difference? Look at this, this is simple. Rebbe Yishmael, what's a blunt force and what's heat? Obviously, even if you take a piece of wood that's a little warm and give a guy a whack, a bat, a hot bat, it's going to be blunt force. Be'even, same thing with a stone. Bigafes, and the the The from the the these olives, they have a little heat to them. The hot meat fell in the in the hot bath of fire. That's not real fire. That's fake stuff. It doesn't come from fire. Then it's blunt force. Last year, I burned my car. If you take lead right out of its source, it's a little warm, but not enough to be considered something that burns. That's blunt force. What's considered a burn? If you got burned by a If you got burned by a coal by a cigarette there, hot No. Sid is a plaster lime lime. It gives us but you what? No, no, no. Oh, okay. Okay. Fine. Anything very boiling hot from a fire. It gives us but hold on anything comes from a fire. Let's say hot boiling water. But you should know before We learned all this is We have the two things. A wound, a blunt force, and a and a burn. If the blunt force forces first So then the blunt force So the whatever comes second cancels out the first thing. So in this case, it was the burn. It cancels the blunt force. And if the second, and if the second, the second is the burn. When they have a hot in me car, there was a half a circle of a blunt force. Believe in chopped wood. The heat got boy, the heated up a piece of metal and he gave him a whack. So there's two things going on at the same time. There's a blunt force plus a burn. When I go to grease up and it so happened to be the size of a half a grease. The the left side. My what's about to call them? Do we view it as the blunt force first? Was the and the burn comes second. so second beats it. So therefore, you have half that's a blunt force, half that's a fire, that's a burn, and they don't go together. Have a look at them, or perhaps on the left side, the burn came first. What on the left side comes the blunt force a millisecond afterwards, and because it's second, it cancels out the burn. And now you have left side that is blunt force, right side that is blunt force. Have a look at them. And the two sides I'm sorry. Perhaps I can bring a riot from our Sugya. Here we have the same exact thing. Here we have the same exact thing. Have a red-hot knife that's blunt force, plus it's a burn. We view it as blunt force. The force comes before the heat. I'm about to call them. So you see the blunt force comes before in the microscopic in a millisecond slow-motion camera, you'll see that the force comes before the burn. Because it's so hot, there is no the so sharp the so because it's so sharp, there is no heat on the sharpness is Rashi. And therefore, the blunt force all you have on the sharpness is the blunt force. You have almost no heat on that sharpness. It's a microscopic the the heat comes later on. The sharpness comes first. Here we have here we have another bright before she takes a hot pipe anywhere somebody with it. First comes the In other words, we consider it a burn and not a blunt force. So you see that first came the blunt force, then comes the burn, and burn wins. That's why we decide that it's a burn not a blunt force. He's using the point. In other words, it's considered if somebody stabs somebody with a knife, it's the the the support, yeah. In other words, there's no kavana. The guy was saying there's no blunt force. All we have here we we don't consider uh a stab blunt force because it comes from the point of the knife and the sharpness and made it all we have is heat. What's going on here? You have a knife of the Zara you're with of the Zara boy says also Bahana. So, how could I use it? The answer is because he's a macaco. I'm allowed to do also allowed to I'm not allowed to benefit from it later on to dissect this animal up into pieces. It's macaco. So, that's an interesting thing. Every cow you can do a bunch of things with. You can use it as a tractor, as something that the the brings kid that has calves, and also for meat. If you're going to limit it to one out of the three things, you just made it worth worth less. And making it worth less is the opposite of having an offer from it. That's how we learn it. That is a macaco in in in Allah you're ruining. By breaking something, you're What about Shabbos? Are you allowed to shuck on Shabbos? Absolutely not. But you macaco on Shabbos you you're allowed to not allowed to macaco is potter. The answer is cuz Shabbos that has to do with your what you want. And at that point you want a dead animal. You want to shuck the animal. So, maybe that was the thing. But in other words, it has to do with I I need to say shalom aleichem to some guests. Palmam shasha baser. Oh, also after the kind of but the cut now you're doing something positive, then you're not allowed to use of the Zara. Says Rava, but I could flip it. Sometimes it's also sometimes it's motor. In in either way. Palmam shasha baser. When is it 100% also to shuck with the other design life? It is okay if it's about to die. It's about to die, so now you're doing something positive with the other design life also. Who make out of all this? Sometimes I have a situation where you're allowed to cut. By the way, the time of the carbona, sometimes you want to give a guy a nice gift. You want to give a king a massive I don't know what is it called? Not to be that person who bought a roast. My mother-in-law makes it that round the giant piece of meat. Rib a ribs Prime rib Prime rib. Prime rib. So you give a smack a piece like this. You go and you chop it up into small pieces. You ruin the you know, it's not as kosher. So then you're allowed to use the knife because now you're making a cut. I asked the Gamorah what's going on every day with the same as these are on the knife of the other design life. It has some also fats from non-kosher animals from other design life animals. Says the Gamorah, it's an other design life but the it's brand new in the box. Says the Gamorah, impossible. The base other design life other design life if it's it doesn't turn into other design life until you use it as other design life. If it's brand new in the box, you didn't use it yet. Other design life other design life other design life other design life. So we have two answers. You both say with the possible way other design life other design life. He uses other design life but to cut trees. When you cut trees, there's no oil on it. There's no fats. And the mayor now is using it for kosher so you don't have an issue with fats. What's other design life? You both say with the possible way other design life. He did lebon. He put it onto the fire. It was a 100% other design life. It's been used by other design life for 22 years. But you took out all the fats and you don't have an issue of fats and now you're using it for kosher. Are you allowed to use it for kosher or not? It's not. How should I say it? When you cut check out this beautiful picture, you'll understand the whole thing. When you cut into the animal with [snorts] a knife, what's going to happen? Your knife is going to touch the sides of the neck. Everything the knife goes through, it's touching pieces of the animal. Those pieces absorb non-kosher or fats. So, what do you do? Two options. Either check this out, it's beautiful. You cut off you cut off a thin slice. All all the red that you see here was touched by a treif knife, by a desire knife. All you need to do is take a slicer, cut off one tiny sliver of meat, and then you're good to go. The other man says, "No, just wash it with cold water and you're good to go." We have to see when you cut into the animal, is it cold or is it hot? Obviously, they had You can put your hand there and see is it hot or cold. The question is, there is some heat, but it's not really and the question is is that heat and because of the whole situation of the does it pull the fats out of the knife? Is it enough to pull the fats out of the knife into the meat? So, maybe that's why So, I can say Let's let's finish because we're over an hour into this year. There The one is just going to say, "I don't have a right to either way." I'll go with you. It's very hot. Now it makes a lot of sense. Very hot, you got to take off a sliver. But why is cold water enough? I need a 3D C money like them Louis Valley. I love this lotion. The body is busy. It's busy chucking blood out. There's like a Oh, like on a you know, on a on a navy ship, they have these water or like a when they They to pirate a ship going in. So, one of their defense mechanisms is a bunch of water. Massive hoses they they would they they hose them down. If the body's chucking blood out, it doesn't allow you to come in. Some and and you could also say, "No, the the shita is pretty pretty it's warm, but it has nothing that's going to pull fats into it." That's obvious why cold water is enough. Why why do you have to take off a sliver? Who knows what's going on there? Scientifically, the pressure of the knife blood I causes it to to absorb. Let's Should we let's do one little piece here, so we're not with that much. Sack and treif, what about a knife that shechtid a treif animal, which happens every shochet that's going to be shechting in a shlacht house? He's going to have a treif come out of from his knife. The concern is that fats from a treif animal went into my knife, and now I have treif fat in my knife, and I'm shechting the next animal, it's going to go to the next animal. Just wash it off with hot water or hot over the with cold water. And the halacha is even with cold water. We can believe so. You have a shmata, the frost that's a little rough. You could light soak, then then you could just wipe it down with the shmata, and you don't need to wash it off with the water. So, he told me the mice this is what they do today, they wash it off with cold water or they use a shmata. Some I asked them, "What about wiping it on the hair of the animal?" He said, "Yes, you could do that, but we don't like doing that because our knives are very delicate, and it could ruin the knife." But in between shita they'll do it, and not between the birds. Why do you need hot water? We should be sure. You're going to tell me the reason why you need hot water because it absorbed bad fats of the of the treif animal. Unbelievable. When I'm shechting, as I'm going through the animal, it's a live animal. I went through even in a it. Yeah. even in a got absorbed into my knife. When does it absorb? When it gets heated up. It's a second after the I shot it that it had to have it. Then it's already no longer even in a cuz it's already dead. And there is no issue of even in a have a wonderful shower this a wonderful day. >> [music and singing] >> Merit the scores of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a sheer today. Mdy sponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy.com.