CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 74 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. One of the loudest. All right. So, we're holding by six lines from the bottom. So, we had a mus again. Oh, here's the here's the musai in the middle of Dave threw it in. It was Gavald because I I forgot about Neple. What in the world is Neple? Go ask people in SH do you know about NEL? They'll say no. So you say you got to join the D. Cuz if you only came to learn that one mus every day we're learning num nele is when an animal dies the dangling limb is considered as if it fell off right before this the miso nele we considered it. Do we say that by misa and only by mis or also byita? The difference is if you shift an animal and the dangling leg is considered part of the animal is a good so is it. it's no longer avail then it's so says over here said yesterday that when it comes to it's perfect meaning it's like it's um what's the word counterintuitive exactly counterintuitive almost in in the way we read In other words, it doesn't do anything wrong. It's great. Is great. It has an effect on the animal like a regular this leg was and misa does dole. So a moment if the the animal just drops dead from a heart attack then a moment before it died its foot detached not as rashi says on top of it's another community yesterday I was telling you differenti says over there that is if a piece of meat falls off it's not but if it falls off an it's still but is another thing we know that when you warn Adam warned somebody don't do Ra, they have to know what they're warning. You can't warn somebody not to kill someone and say, "Hey, don't be shabas." And he and he's he's a murderer. When when somebody's about to eat something, you have to say, "Don't eat." You can't tell them, "Don't eat an aa." You have to say the right the proper words. >> Can't be a suffic. >> It has to be a real, not a suffic. It has to be the proper. If we're dealing with, you have to say, "Hey, if you eat this, you're going to get malus." If you use the wrong words, you say, "Hey, if you're going to eat this lux, you're going to get malus." It doesn't work. If you're going to eat instead of it doesn't work anyways like that also because we learned there's an extra word here. It says don't eat meat in the field. Don't eat. It should say in the field. What's this case of a dangling limb and you Oh, so that would sound like that. But then he continues this is the says exactly like on top of this is not a this is the stay away from this dingling limb meaning that of course there's no to eat this dingling limb said you shouldn't eat it but if there's no reason So worked and it took away the tum from this dangling limb. It has an effect who later on in this story is going to get upset. He was sitting there and and he said Omarud the famous of Raven Rhudo. He says in the name of who? of his famous rebi ra the golad he says in the name of rav if you eat this dangling limb you get malus in other words is here on a dangling limb [cough] the problem is that somebody's going to say in a second in the name of ra the exact opposite that there's no malus we have a contradiction so one of the over there said don't listen to him he doesn't know what he's talking out didn't say that also in the name of Rav [clears throat] contradiction. What do you do? You're stuck. The famous Raviudo, he's not going to make a mistake. He says, I heard Raf say that if you eat a dingling limb, you get malus. Not a dab like the top line over here. This is but I heard in the name of in the name of Rav you don't get malus what we do he tells it was rais sitting there so turns to rais says what should we do we have a contradiction to what you said he was furious he turned his head away in anger I found it four times in sha and ino you get this about says he explains it's not even a question doesn't even start we just discussed there's two things that were discussed mis the death dropping dead from a heart attack and getting the two different when an animal dies with a dangling leg you're right that we said and it's considered on you get malus but in the name of was talking about something else completely when it was we just said we just established you should grab this go with it that when this is a perfect we don't say that the the dangler fell off a minute ago no it was on throughout the works How do I know this idea that there's a difference between death and this is a referring to it says about the if one of these eight guys falls falls onto anything falls on a piece of on a loaf of bread on a cle when they're dead should become. So what's this everything? What does it come to exclude? If a mouse that would be terrible if live mice touch your kale and you live in a place that they have mice here in it's not so common unless you live like on the first floor or something but usually you don't it's not a thing in America it's very common Brooklyn far away it's all they yeah over here they have lizards lizards are even more tummy you're right it's the but they don't come into your house usually if they're alive and they touch your things don't worry about it doesn't become how says no but I don't need a for that says they're dead what do I do with this how do I learn that from here so for that you need says beautiful we're talking about you see you see Through the mis the happened when they die then their dangler becomes a fallen item and it becomes a how you bringing how how you going how you jumping making the jump from a sheret from a mouse and a and a and a lizard to a cow There's no there's no we're talking about there's no says he says yeah you're right there's no by what we going to do we have a beautiful lim here and I can't use it for shar I'm going to have to use it for the for the cow this is a common mus in in the if I if there's a limo then I can't use it here because it's not it doesn't apply here I'm going to use it for another play listen to It's what kind of rat, what kind of mouse is matama? Only a fresh juicy mouse if it's dried up. Nothing. That's I need a for that. If the mouse is dried up, what is it called? Like a a dry uh >> not a dry litfac uh [laughter] Listen to this here. It says so I have two. You need a limo for for dried out mouse. You got a you need a for our you got to you have it. So you have is the famous that we've been discussing in the Mishna of the animal. Let's go back to this animal that that stuck its leg out and she did the mother and then he cut the leg off. Does the tuma from the leg transfer over to the rest of the fetus? When the when the when the fetus is alive, then it works. It's like the mother. It's alive. The transfers over. Doesn't transfer over. the the the of the mother doesn't have an effect on a dead fetus. It's something else different and therefore once the mother then it's considered as if this limb fell off before there's no uh there's no difference between whether the the animals are alive. So we had in the Mishna a very long discussion we should actually try to see this Mishna inside it's long easy the red line here blow it up here a little bit the Mishna talks talks out there's a back and forth in the Mishna and it's important to know this Mishna how do you know that when you an animal that has a like we're going to A piece of meat from the turns out that our she was how do you know that when you it removes the says the you have a a horse it's also to eat also says the what's the difference between a a lion that you it's not going to work so it shouldn't work on a so the mission goes into oh a non-cooser animal you can never sh it not even one moment in it life was it kosher but a at one point in time in its life you were able to sh it so right away the asks what if it was born with a [snorts] A non doesn't have in its min no lion could ever be and then the Mishna says all the at the end and this is where we're holding now in the what if it was born in the eighth month like a human being that's born in the eth month in the time of the gmorrah was not a viable child an animal is born in the eth The does not give it any. And what does the mission finish off in red? There is no such thing as a 8mon old in the eighth month of pregnancy. There is no such thing. Thear is going to ask a contradiction that says we're saying and it says and we're going to see where it says now the reason why I read the whole Mishna is because that this is actually a continuation of the Mishna. It doesn't agree with our it continues on with the argument. You could check it, but it doesn't do anything. But in Arabic, it says what it meant is in the not it itself through its mother. the mother and it would have it would have affected the the so that's considered done he doesn't agree to that that's the mother we're talking about the actual the fetus in the fetus there's no min what are you telling me the mother the mother could have done it the mother we're not talking about the mother and the does say it's a good child at the end of the A he doesn't have a source to tell us where you know that a traa when you take in our case we shifted a sheep next door by prin and he opens it up and he says bad news traa how do you know that that animal and we have a piece of meat I'm going to show you from that animal a nice size piece it doesn't have any tuma doesn't have tuma why because weed it but it's t you can't eat it a Jew cannot eat He called up afterwards and he said, "Listen, not only the I found, but there's something I forgot. I don't even know what it is. It's don't feel bad. It's not a a it's according to everybody." He said, "So, but there's no tumo." But how does he know it? He learns it from [clears throat] he says some say it says in the in the person the this this animal dies from the animal from so you learn some animals give off tum some don't what does that mean if it dies naturally then there's but if you even though you can't eat it. It's the same thing as the other tray as the no but it doesn't give off. It's very important this because on the bottom of of this we're going to see that rea there is no on a 9mon baby. Once the animal's full term, bakua expires, bakua is anything up until full term, an eightmon, a sevenmon, not a nmon. But argue, they say any any age. Oh, so you go into a fullterm baby and you the baby in euro or whatever you say it >> whatever I don't know how to say it well. says that a 9 month baby a full term needs when it was born it comes into the ear of the world but what if you go into the mother doesn't work this of course this animal needs but it doesn't work in utero but maybe maybe you could go even according to that say that this animal doesn't need a why because it's a baku And if you sh the mother, it's enough. But maybe hold our mother should be maybe there's two ways to sh this animal. One way is to sh the mother. The other way is to sh it says and it says in our if this animal and I even read it, it was born a tra in the stomach. So they didn't have the said it never was able you couldn't check why it was born with a tra the understands now that that traa happened moments before it was born days before but right it wasn't created with a tra it became a traa later on but it was born with the tra but this animal was born what's today's date July what >> July 13th July 13th is born with a tra but on July 10th 10 it didn't have a tra so maybe on July 10th you could have gone in to the stomach and then so it did have a moment of of where you could haveed it 3 days earlier according to you see from here you can't go into the stomach that's not considered no there's an animal that never had not July 10th not July 1st not four months before why because it has an extra limb When it's created with extra limb, it's on the spot a tra. Why? If you [snorts] have an extra limb, it's as if you have one minus. Not only you don't have five, you don't have you only have three, not four, you have three. So, a eight-month uh fetus is not a full term. So it's not a problem. This is a typical benua. Even if it's I thought this is a big kesh. A lot of people thought it's a kadesh. If you find a dead baby inside a mother after chef, you're allowed to eat the dead baby. Let eat it. You hear? I know it's gross, but you let eat it. Okay. Is interesting also. It's walking around. It's a year or two years old. You take a bat, knock it over the head, and then you start eating it. You don't need or in the ninth month full term but it's dead you rip it open you don't even have to you just tear it open and you start eating but says the so think about this for a second an animal has a bunch of things that are no good about it you can't eat the blood can't eat the the the fats you can't eat the gan so now the mission just told us a secret you can't eat you cannot eat the blood of ampu What about the fats? What about the maybe maybe those things? Yes. What if it's a fullterm baby? So is gonna say according to you can't do now you need a that's next that says that you cannot eat a mother and her her offspring on the same day you're not allowed that's next par since the baby the fetus is not part of the mother so you're not allowed to eat both of them on the same day if it's part of the mother. You could check one and the other one becomes automatically. It's as if it's you. It's one. It's like eating the leg of the mother. You're allowed to eat it in one day. Say, "No, even if it's a fullterm baby in the ninth month, it's okay. We're going to have to understand what he adds. This animal is a fullterm animal and it's plowing away. in the field. You could you could five years ago five years ago you the mother. You walk over to him. You kill it and eat it. What if you didn't the mother? You just killed an animal with a gun and then you look inside. You see a baby. Maybe I think that's a you don't have to. No, it's only because you shed the mother. I know it's late over here. Oh, we had a late start. What what what accomplishes is only one thing that you don't have to sh Where's my meat here? Oh, wow. Wow. The fat and so Rashi takes out these words completely. He says it's impossible. He says a very he says you see this gear in all the it's 100% a mistake. There's not one that can make sense with this line. We're going to see the same thing he does in the next. He says take it out. Says you don't have to take it out. But Rashi doesn't say on the next there's no in the world. over says there's nobody could explain it. The only way to explain this line is because there's an identical gar in mistake they they took the same words of that and put it over here a mistake. So it says the point is that's if you're allowed to eat the and the is the fetus. And by the way, just as a side note, because we're writing now, all of all like is all written from meaning we were in the factory, you saw them. If you ever noticed, it used to be a whole thing. Oh, you I could do hagba. Today, even a 50-year-old could do hagba. >> It's garnished. >> Why? because have the weight because we use so that's one says that it's also to eat the asar is going to explain holds that the mother and the and the and the fetus are not connected. So if they're not connected real real gift it's not true to get here's a question how you get to of and of you see that's why the guy in Australia wanted to make farm because there's no problem there's no problem of there's no problem of trade for nothing all the problems go away he says May hold in the in the ninth month the full term says it's a regular animal can't do so therefore it's a regular animal says no here takes out these four lines where my gloves this is a g right over here this is the ghu >> look at You see this G? This is the Gosh right over here. And if you look closely, this is the fat that we're talking about right over here. >> It's it's in the GD. You see the GD? It's very strong. This Gid goes all the way up here. So, do you take off this piece of fat and just leave this meat gishm? That's what he's talking about in a second. Or I have to go in deep and take out the fat. It has nothing to do. The T says don't eat a gir right over here. Don't eat this. But we're because it's, you know, next to it part of it. So we take off this fat. But this is how much. Okay. So he says like this. That's pretty much it. You have to go deep in and get that fat out. Just just up to the up to the meat. That's it. this part second we said the whole point of that you don't have to do no a different point eating you're allowed to eat whatever you want but in eating is for eating what does it come to exclude that since it's a real animal so you Don't view it as just like a limb of an animal. So there's a isur of revealiality on this animal and also the isser of plowing like this just a you know oh there's a >> no this is oh yeah this is beautiful this it's considered two different types of it's considered a real animal so you're not allowed to plow with another animal If you're it's to eat the fat of an animal. So you're allowed to eat the blood of the animal. They're interchangeable. They're they're connected. Not interchangeable. What's the word I'm looking for? >> Inter something. Interependent. >> Maybe interdependent. Oh, interdependent. If you're not allowed to eat the you're not allowed to eat the blood. But if you're not if you're if you're allowed to eat, you're allowed to eat the blood. Even if you're allowed to eat the fat, it's no no connection to the blood. Blood is also fat as it seems like a bomb question. It says what do you do? You cut open the animal and you get rid of the blood. CC blood. But what meant to say is that the the the stronger of that we don't have why because the is only onesh what's dam and the blood that comes out in a burst that's dam that's where the chorus is the rest of the blood that trickles pulls out. I'm going to show you a video. So, if you're sensitive to blood, do not watch this. [snorts] This is dam right there. Dam. And then it starts trickling. The trickle is also to eat, but no carus. That's what he says. Now, in there's no dam. It sounds like a great answer, but if you do the math, it doesn't work because we're only trying to figure it out according to Yehuda. And and Rihuda says there's no difference between. So this answer doesn't work. Why are we only trying to figure it out according to >> because is the one that holds what >> is your whole you trying to say is but is also not there's no difference according to himself between even the trickle you the chorus. No, you're right. But it could go according to because in this case of a fetus, he has a special that tells me and here we go. An irregular animal. You're right. review the holes that both but in our case there's no there is no of we'll stop over here because we are late have a wonderful day >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today. mdysonsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdyop.com.