CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 70 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning, [screaming] says the there's an animal who's giving birth, but having difficulty giving birth. So, the the owner had, "What if I help out the animal? I chop off the feet of the fetus as they come out. Maybe it'll help. Now we're talking about this is aar the famous aar has it's a special thing. You can't just chop off legs. Can't just throw them to the dog. It has aar. But this >> the first leg that comes out is not a the like they say on aesh what does it mean from the moment he was born came out to the world says in the it has to be today some of the questions that we're going to ask and these are from the less bizarre but what if there's no what if the falls out the the womb the walls of the womb What if it doesn't touch the walls of the womb? It was able to come out without touching. Let's say today use a uh some sort of device. Um what do they call that? Some sort of >> bicep. Forceps for not biceps. For forceps, there's a better word for it. Okay. Forcep >> some piece of metal or a a plastic bag. You wrap the baby in a the animal in a plastic bag before it comes out for whatever reason. shouldn't get uh shouldn't get uh uh some sort of infection. I don't know what you wrap in a plast bag and it comes out in a plastic bag is that so these are but that's it has to come out through the womb. If it comes out through ceserian notes what if it comes out foot by foot. So the Mishna says as he cuts off a foot and then a leg there's no yet so he could toss it to the dogs. Let the dogs eat it. Had it had if it had any kadusha whatsoever. It was a bar can't throw to a dog. What do you do? Like the next part of the mishna if most of it came out and I want to add a word here [clears throat] came out together in one shot. You must bury this. And if this animal gives birth to firstborn, most of it came out normally. You put it in a grave and that animal the next the next offspring even though it didn't wasn't viable didn't live the next one is not a firsty about a 15 line is the the question of when does the thear start? Does the bakar start the moment he starts being born or once most of it is came out and it's a big because what happens if a third of the animal came out now if there's a guy partner this is what people do today they have thousands of animals they don't want to give every first born to so they get a go partner partner then you don't have to give a bkar what does this do he forgot to do it his wife warned him you should better get a partner go he didn't and then all of a sudden the animal starts giving birth. So he runs and he gets a guy and he makes a partnership but a third came out already. Is that third that he sold to the guy is it valid? Because if the starts immediately once it starts being born then you can't sell to the guy. It was not a valid but if it starts at a different time starts later on. So whatever you sold was good. So we have of course one third came out and then the second third came out which makes it the majority of birth it works it does not work the sale the I'm sorry the means the sale does not work and therefore thear is the sale worked says It's the sale did not work. Ra says the sale did work. And anyh says that the sale did not work. Why? Because right away when it started being born it we find out when two/3s come out we find out that retroactively the first third was also kadesh. You had no right to sell it at that point to the go. You can't sell once it's born you can't sell it. Rube once two/3 came out or 51% then we find out now retroactively that it was completely and whatever he sold was nothing says in other words the sale was valid from here on out it is whatever he sold is great according into their own reasoning. They have a very very similar and is going to want to understand why did they have to argue twice on the same exact idea and concept. So here comes scratching your head number one. If an animal oneird was born through a C-section, the other two/3 were born naturally. What in the world? How did it happen? One/3 came out ceserian. The two/3s came out natural. And you had to cut one part off. Although saying no, they cut from the ceserian all the way to natural. Okay, whatever it is. Rauna says there's no why because the first twothirds that came out, one of them was it was you start from all the way in the beginning. You go retroactive there's no because we have to count sorry the one says why because we go backwards to where it started and it started as a so when you say because I don't care about the first third that we're going to ignore we're going to do the second the last two/3s and that was a natural birth so it's a good Just if you pay attention and I'm going to show it to you in a second, they're saying rever they're saying the same but comes out opposite in both cases and I'll explain holds that you go start from the beginning of the birth and the first part was not from the womb. It was from ceserian says it is there is you start from here on out and there's two/3 that came out naturally. So let me show you this make it very simple. We have two cases. We have the case of selling a third of the animal as it's born to a And we have case number two is that a third of the animal came out with a cesarian. Now if you say the that when you sell to a third okay it was a great sale and you start from here on out the last two/3 that's that that's the birth that means we have a kula over here. If we're going to start from here on out and ignore the first part this animal is not going to be aar. If it's not a bakar, it's a ka. It's green. It's good. It's good for the owner. He doesn't have to give away a bakar. Why? Because I'm gonna the first part that came out was to it was a valid sale. If I say it works, the sale works. that makes it a ka but I'm using the logic of the whatever I did in the beginning works and that means it's so in this case cuz I sai it turns out to be a ka but for you the same exact logic when it when it when there's a cerian it comes out of why because I'm going to say that whatever came out with the ceserian is nothing I'm going to I'm going to focus from here on out. I don't care what I did before. Yeah, I'm doing chuva today. I was a big rush yesterday. Today is from here on out from today. Today on was a valid birth of a bkar. So it's a real bkar using the same logic all of a sudden I have a bkar under the first case using the same logic I don't have akar because I sold so one time it's a one time it's a soar says I would think that perhaps the holds only to be m I want to be m myself. So I use the logic of but when that logic makes it a cool makes it green he's not going to use that logic. So I need both cases when he go the case on the right uses the other logic that he says it works from the beginning. Why? Because just to explain the words is you have to add a few things in parenthesis because the logic of so he's going to use the logic of what's the logic of in this case of but in the second case of which is a third was born in the in the garage over there in cesarian that when you use it actually turns intora Maybe he will use the logic of and then we just do the reverse and then we have an is the case of like the one on the left. That's why Rabbi uses it because it's it's red. But in the case on the right where it's green, that logic is green. It's it's a maybe agree that you don't use that logic. Use the logic of which makes it okay. But we learned our we just read that what if a animal is trying to give birth and having a tough time you cut off every leg as it comes out and you throw it to the dogs. You could pile it up. You don't have to It's a process. It's going to take him two hours. One leg comes out, cut it. You don't have to run to the dog and give it to him. Put them on Put it in the on a pile. When you have a bunch of legs, then you take them all and give it to the dog. But if goes retroactive, it works retroactively. You cover him in how he doesn't have to bury it like the guy buried the over there. If he has a certain amount and you find out later that this is aar, doesn't aar require burying? If you don't know it's a bakar, you had one leg, it's not a bakar, it doesn't have the dish of nothing, you don't know it doesn't have, so you gave it to the dog. But now they have a a significant amount and you're using retroactive over here. And retroactively we find out that this was you have to bury it. So tries to say we're talking about a case where he never left it. Not that no, but this is he he never had enough that was going to cause a problem because every time he cut a leg, he gave it to the dog. No, but what if he didn't? What if he didn't give right away to the dog? He had a pile of legs and feet. So he has to bury it. Of course has to bury it. So doesn't say it in the say a case two cases. One case as as I'm cutting I give to the dog but if I leave a nice significant pile I can't give it to the dog I have to bury it. The mission doesn't say that. The mission says and if most of it was born in one shot they have to bury it. I have a much better kesh. The same exact case that you said that you could give to the dogs. That's only if you give it to the dog piece by piece by piece. But if you have a pile of legs, you can't give it to the dog. It's too late. It has now that pile becomes retroactively and you have to bury it. Why does what? >> That's literally the words. Why do we jump to a different case? What's the case that the Mishna says that you have to bury like we saw in the video guy's holding an entire whole cow and he has to bury it. That shouldn't be the case. I have a much better case within our case limit in the same case that a person is cutting off limbs. There's a case that you could give it to the dogs and there's a case you can't give it to them much bigger. When could you give it to the dog when you're giving it piece by piece peace meal recover? But if you pile it up and then retroactively becomes then you have to bury it. Says it's such a good that's exactly what it says in the Mishna. It just says it in different words when are you allowed to give it to the dog when you do a peace meal piece by piece. That's this is what the mishna means. But when you pile it up is tremendous. I don't like it. Some saying that it's not according to he says this is too hard to to believe that that's what the meant but if you cut it up and you leave it there that's why it says the next case that oh if most of it came out you have to bury it meaning not that if most of it came out if you keep the same case of peace meal but you didn't give it to the dog it's piece by piece by piece and it pile up and they have to bury it all right here goes here goes a bunch of >> cashes I stuff really good this particular one. If we didn't have a chart, it would be hard in the the words, but we have a chart. It's very very easy. When you have an entire animal, do we look do we view the animal as the majority and we don't care about each limb and each organ? Or we have to care about organs and limbs. What does that mean? Hey, what's the case? So, we have basically only two cases. Here's an animal that was born here. Boom. It's being born. Boom. Now, take a look over here. 51% of this animal was born. 49% of this animal was not born. Is this animal born or not born? Yes. But if you take a look, its leg is still inside its mother. What's poking out? One tiny piece of the leg on the right side. You see that that little leg? It's a of the leg. Now in the in you go by the you go where's the majority of the front foot inside this building not outside. 51% is outside 49% is inside. But if I take into account just the front foot, the purple, 90% of it is inside the animal. So shouldn't it drawly the hoof back into the animal? And then what's going to happen? Take a look. If you draw the hoof back in, then now you all of a sudden you only have 49% that came out. Excuse [clears throat] me. >> And 51% out. So do do we view each a by itself or do we view the animal the little part that's outside here? This part you see the little tiny part of the hoof that's outside. Do we do we view it as if it's part of the larger front foot? The right front foot. And therefore what the right front foot is inside not outside. And therefore it changes the majority of birth. It's no longer born. So this animal wasn't born yet. Or do we go with the majority of the entire animal? Says that's not a question. When you're talking about an an entire being, you're not going to go break down limbs. We're looking at the majority of this animal. 51% is out. Like in this picture, I can't start looking. But but but from the foot it's only 10% of the foot which is no you're looking at the whole animal in in in its hole and in this case it's 51% out. This animal is considered born. So what is the question? Beautiful. Check this out. Let me show it to you. B here's an animal. Only 50% of the animal was born. 50/50 equal. Now take a look at its foot. Its front left foot. 90% is outside 10% is inside. Now if I use the it was born cuz now I'm going to move it. I'm going to move the leg. The entire leg comes outside. Why? Because 90% is already outside. The little part that's inside let it be as if it was outside. If it's outside now I have 51%. the the in in in mitas the in in the physical world only 50% of this animal is born but if I use the of I can make 51% born how by taking the hoof that's stuck inside and bringing outside does that work only half the animals born by using 90% of the front left leg is this little hoof that stayed inside the animal. So, do we take that small part that's left inside and pretend that it's outside? Now, you have 51% like in this picture [clears throat] bring it says in the Mishna if most of the animal was born in one shot, you bury it. my if you tell me that most of the animal came out what's the the entire tells us that I need I need that same all over again how many times have we had in that we go by the majority can't be that the mission is repeating that must be telling us that it's talking exactly about this case it was 50/50 with the majority of the left front leg And we considered it a a real birth. It's not this case. Rather, it's this case. >> First case, >> what's the first case? >> Yeah, this one. Yeah. 51% only with the hoof. And the baby is like you said before that we don't go we don't consider the most of the leg that's remained inside. This is considered a a good birth a 51% birth. We're talking about now says let's go back to the says that an animal in order to bear has to come out of the womb. What if it came out in a plastic bag? You wrapped it in some sort of leaf, the the palm leaf. They take out these words because the same exact question. In other words, a plastic bag. We we have this today. A natural bag called amniotic [clears throat] sack. So he says, "What do you mean that? That's how an animal's born in the sack." No, you took a plastic bag from your from your cabinet or you took a sack from another animal. What if a woman who's helping this animal give birth, she used her hands. So her hands create a the animal's not touching the walls of the womb. Tyson says a phenomenal thing here. He says it's not talking about a woman. It's talking about his sister. The animal had a twin sister and the twin sister wrapped herself around her brother and the brother came out without touching the walls of the womb because it was the was caused by another animal. So he goes through because he doesn't like what's going on here before this woman touched had to be a beginning of a birth. If the head came out first and the woman didn't touch it, then that is the birth. We learned yesterday that the the the birth of a head is a birth. It came out feet first. says, "Here goes the most interesting question in all of a weasel or a rat goes into the animal, swallows the the fetus completely and walks right out. So now the fetus never touched, never went through the womb." So what's the question? It gets more interesting if that's what happened. So, it never was born. You're right. That shouldn't be uh it's not it's not considered. Oh, so here goes the question. Get ready. This this animal went in, swallowed the fetus hole. Then it had somebody gave him say, "Okay, let me go put it right back where I got it." He went out the animals outside of the mother went back into the mother spit him up in there and then the mother gave birth of so brings this as the most bizarre he doesn't say the most bizarre he says listen sometimes in sh you'll see things that don't make any sense and it's it's there for you to learn I want to ask you something and I didn't see anybody even talk about this I don't I don't view it like that I view it as The Gomorra asked a question and 2,000 years later, this is a possibility. Why can't we have a surgery where a doctor opens up the animal, pulls the fetus out, does surgery, they do it all the time now. They do surgery to babies all the time in Yuru. And they could also do it outside. Cut open, pull it out, fix the spine, push it right back in. And now we have a sha. And then it was born naturally. Why not? You tell me it's the craziest thing ever. It's not so crazy. This this case is not brought down. But maybe maybe we could apply something from this gar to to to to reality today's reality. No, >> you could >> I didn't see anybody even talk about it. >> Crazy. >> This case is >> No, I'm saying the Yeah, because they didn't have that that day. The point of these cases these the point of all these crazy cases that we have in sh you you if once it's to no the point my point is we have we're giving usarim it's to give usar not in this case you're right is saying never happened in the world this case and so and the next case coming up never happened but perhaps it could apply even the next case now I'm thinking it could apply today how >> if what's the problem No, but it it was already born was born. >> No, >> maybe this this particular animal was born once three days ago was born just because it was born again. Here, let me give you another case similar. Listen to this. Another case that brings as a as a ria that listen to this. >> So I I don't know this is okay but I I brought a I brought the artist didn't do this. I threw this in cuz I thought it's we had his mish three days ago. This if if push moved from one womb to the other. So what's the shila? But everybody pay attention in this case there was a 100% not this one there's a 100% birth on the left one the gar doesn't even ask that that is a birth it came out of the womb but it insert itself in womb number two and then it came out could it could it be aar for the second animal the first animal is posit is it was a birth through a womb it left the one on the left what are you looking at me that's look at two wombs attached to each other. The first one his real mother. She's she already gave birth and the one on the right is not his mother. Not maybe one animal could be p could patter two different animals. So today I'm I was just thinking this aloud today you could maybe transfer a pregnancy you have a surrogate they take it out dies and puts it in another womb. >> I I don't know that that's possible that that ever happened but they have a surrogate mother today. to have the Muslim again. Okay, we don't have this exact case yet, but perhaps you start we start thinking it's 2026. They do crazy things with with medicine. Does the animal have to touch the actual womb? What if it widened up and that all pops out without touching anything? Is it the ear space? And then there's it has to touch the and there isn't all these these are cases that don't ask me I I some of them I don't understand completely or at all I'm saying it but we're trying to learn here what if the actual walls of the womb were cut out necro the god necro what's There's not a there has to be walls of the room. So, Yoshi did a whole beautiful thing here for the I'm not going to show you the whole thing yet because I don't want to ruin it. But let's say these are these are the walls of the womb right here, the blue. And it went from this to this. Okay, that's what the says the wall. It was wrapped around like a scarf around its neck. [clears throat] my dude the the blue walls if they're in their their natural place then they give to the wrapped around the shoulders nothing does give the bottom line there's a wall there so here this is what he did it for if you have this and check this out the blue disappears Now you're touching something that we asked the question. Where do we have this? Where else >> where else with the with the graves? But the idea is there that what parts look at this part of the wall is missing and he came out through the part that's missing. But there's walls of the they're still there or parts that's most of the walls are intact. Most 90% are intact part not. But here's the opposite case parts. Most of the walls are not intact. They're gone. And where did he come out of? He went out through the part that's still standing. My soar says I'll tell you part in both of these cases. Take a look. There's still walls standing. This walls are standing here. wall standing but there's walls but in this case where the blue is gone completely that we never had of course it's not now much easier stuff says the we have an animal who's pregnant and the fetus died so let's go through this raid let's do it again real quickly we got to get clear with this there's there's a bull there's something People that were talking to me after yesterday after I said the whole thing they came over to me with questions new guys hopefully most of us know this but let's do something called they give off tum so people get confused oh they give off tuma so other things don't give off tuma it's not true it's exact opposite every animal in the world gives off tum when they die including kosher animals so a dead sheep that wasn't gives off tuma a dead cow that wasn't gives off tuma a dead horse tuma dead dog to dead cat tom sheep a cow don't give off to because the works dead pig Tommy dead horse Tommy dead snake >> not Tommy not Tommy not Tommy not Tommy that's why you got to do that for me rabbi >> why because the snake is a sher and only in only the Not the ninth and the 10th. That's the thing. Okay. But that's not get to us 100% a little bit. So it says like this. What if you have an animal that's dead? A dead animal is tummy. So the the the shepherd stuck his hand into the animal's body and touched the dead animal. Tommy or not? No. You know why? Because what if you the mother? Are you allowed to eat the dead animal? It was dead. It was dead inside. You allowed to eat it? >> Yeah. >> Yes. It's still eat it. It's not. And the shepherd stuck his hand in and touched it and he should be no. If a shepherd touches a dead fetus depends if the animal is a cow. If the animal is a is a pig is a is a donkey that if you touch the fetus that's dead you're not if this dead fetus you're allowed to eat later after you the mother so certainly the should get rid of the part it's not an that's very good if it's a How do you know? It says in the same puzzle, I put it in red because that's talking about what could you eat? You could eat kosher animals, but the part before that is talking about the the the non-coosher animal. So that gives us the same we could learn one from the other. I learn one from the other. That what you just told me. We said it already. We established that a animal if you touch the the fetus. So too with a non-coosher animal say that only on a non-cooser animal. So he learns from a anybody that walks on its paws. In other words, a non-cooser animal. that what so if they were alive they're so too when they're they're a dead fetus they are to avail the famous this guy or he did better this guy as a fetus in other words his feet are not split he doesn't have splits he just has those two toes but they're not split We already established that this guy, this camel looking animal that doesn't have split hooves is kosher when it's a fetus. It should be told according to what you said. Why? He has paws. He doesn't have split hooves. He should be when did I say that it's also when he's inside of an animal that has four feet. But guess what? The mahino a cow is actually a 4x4 or a 4 by8 whatever you want to call it every one of its feet is split so he has four he has eight legs not four so it's different that's why he's m so okay so I'll I'll roll with that but the problem is what about this case if you have a camel that has a par inside of it according to what you just told me shouldn't be But it is it's a it's a non-cultur animal. Yes, it looks like a cow, but it's a non-cultural animal because he's uh walking eight inside a four. And you said only a 4x4, not a 8x4. Says, okay, you're right. you have extra that tells us that this case that a a cow is inside a camel that is a problem. What if you have two kosher animals but their feet are no good? In other words, a genetic defect the mother has. She's not maf so her baby's also not so should be a problem. That's what we had before said that if you eat the baby so certainly there's no tomb on the baby. Okay. So, you know what? We'll just stop over there. A boy, have a wonderful day. [music] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.