CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 68 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. We are actually continuing the they explain we're talking about these areas. So we're continuing with a type of a tra we're discussing the famous called bmpua. Benua is a fascinating here. I'll show you. I'll remind you this is a older video, but it's a should be a classic. So, what happened here? There's a cow that was pregnant and she had aita. That shita works on the fetus. You don't have to chef the fetus. We're going to see if they walked around maybe like in this video maybe. But the baby you're allowed to eat without the just tells us the the background of the story. It's not important. animal had a hard time giving birth and the the fetus stuck its hand out. Now we're talking about the of the mother works on the fetus. You don't have to shuck the fetus. You're allowed to eat the fetus. If everything would remain in the mother, then the works. The problem is something came out. Now it depends what part of the animal came out. the leg, the foot, the hand or the head. Big difference. Because if the hand of the animal comes out, then that hand didn't have a So if the hand remained outside of the the animal and then we did a of course the doesn't work on the hand. The thing is the the animal brought its hand back in and then there was a what does the Mishna say? Let's read together. of zero. What's >> the the hand or the animal? >> The animal. So then why what's the difference? So why does it say that the it brought its hand back in? And if it if the hand remained outside, you're not allowing the animal. We have to even all the words. It seems like it seems like the hand is that's how I would learn it because if it's the whole animal then I don't care if the the the animal took its hand back in. It's not going to help me. You can't if you can't eat the hand, why does it say that it brought the hand back in? You can't eat the hand whether it remained outside or brought back in according to what you're telling me means the whole the hand also the the animal inside for sure but the hand also. But the mission makes but if the animal stuck its head out head is different head is like a complete birth once an animal is born you can't put it back in its mother and the mother and say oh it's a it was born finished once it stuck its head out even if it pulled its head back in it's already born the mother doesn't help the fetus What if you take you cut a body part off surgically, stick a knife in, you cut a leg off from the animal while it's still in the inside and it remained inside, but it's not attached to the baby anymore. It's a it's a dangling leg somewhere inside the mother. The works, you got to eat it. Why? It's no different than the lungs of the mother mother. But here's the tremendous. If you were to chop off the lung of the mother and it remained inside and they did, you wouldn't be able to eat the lung afterwards. Why? That would be so the Mishna gives a different example. These are organs that if you do cut out the animal won't die. So it's not a tra and you take the spleen, you cut the spleen and you leave it inside. You take one of the kidneys, you cut one of them off and you leave it inside. You're not permitted to eat the the that that kidney after you sh the mother. Why? Because the kidney is while the animal's alive. When I cut the kidney, you're not allowed to eat that kidney that minute. So just because you left it inside the animal and you ditched to the mother, we're talking about the kidney of the mother, not the kidney of the baby. Yeah. >> Let's start over. I started over. I said from I'm starting again. If you cut the lung of the mother and you cut the kidney of the mother, forget she's not even pregnant. We have an animal that's not pregnant. You cut one of the organs and you the organ remains inside. At that moment that you cut the organ, it's you can't make mut. There's no such thing. If I cut a leg off a a live animal, am I allowed to eat it? No, it's then I sh the mother. Am I allowed to eat the leg? No. Once it's I cut the kidney of the mother doesn't come out to the world. It's in the mother's stomach. Am I allowed to eat it at this moment? No. Oh, it's so just cuz I shucked the mother 5 minutes later doesn't make the kidney motor. The mckini is awesome. >> Why is that different? >> Oh, but if I cut the leg of the animal and it remains inside now, it's like a it's like a it's a it's in the animal. It's no different than the animal itself. It's no different than the than the baby animal. The fetus yasim is muted through the of the mother. So to its dingling leg is muted through the of the mother. It it's not it's not the mother's a it's it's the baby's a so there's no difference it's one or two any a that's in there it's zakl this is the rule if it's part of the mother and you cut it and it stays in there but if it's not part of the mother then it's this is this is today's right over here the question that I asked you in the comes ra and says is the hand that stuck out the window and pulled it back in. You're not allowed to eat that hand. You eat the entire animal and not the hand says do not eat the traa. But there's an interesting word in the what it should say is if you were to write it you would write meat that's don't eat what's a place a field doesn't have any walls doesn't have any and the tells us once the meat once the it goes out of its makita like by us it went out of the of the mother nessar you're not allowed to eat it forever You can't undo. You can't retroactive something that's trafe. If it's tra, if it's tra you can't say, "Oh, but I did this and this and I fixed it and it's not tra anymore." Ask the gumar a question on Rav. We're going to try to beat up Rav here and see if he if he holds strong. And he does. The ones who argue with Rav, they lose. Again, what does Rav say? We have an animal in the stomach. If the the mother, you're allowed to eat the entire baby. But if the baby sticks its foot out and brings it back in, you're not permitted to eat that foot ever. Even if it's stuck, it brought it back in. The problem is, let's see if it fits in the Mishn. It says in our the baby stuck its hand out and brought it back in. Eat it. What do you mean? It's talking about the foot. That's the regular way of reading it. That thing that it stuck out and brought back in. You eat? No, we're talking about the the my is talking about the foot. We're talking about the actual baby, but the foot you're not allowed to eat. So say, I knew you going to tell me that, but I had a question. But if you're referring to the baby, so why does the say he brought the foot back in? Even if the foot remained outside, nothing changes in you to eat the mother, the the baby, and you know how to eat the baby's leg. Why does why does it say that it brought its leg back in? What difference does it make? Says, "You're 100% right. There's there's no difference whatsoever. It doesn't make a difference. If it brought its leg back in, you didn't bring the leg back in. You're not allowed to eat that leg, that hand." The second case in the referring to the head of the animal, once the head is born, the whole animal is born. And the doesn't help. Even if the animal brings its head back in over there is a kadesh by the head. It says a nonadesh by the hand. You're right. There's zero kadesh. We don't have to say it brought its head its hand back in. There's no difference if it the hand. But we want the mission to be symmetrical. And the second part of the mission is a very nice kadesh. Even though the animal brings its head back into the mother, the of the mother doesn't work on the baby. Why? Because once the head is born, the whole animal is born. Once the animal's born, you can't take an animal that's born and shove it back into its mother and say, "Oh, this will work." Doesn't work. The animal's born. So the zero kesh on the hand. Now, let me ask you a question. If there's zero on the head, does it does it make sense? No. Zero on the hand, zero on the head, then what's going on in this mish, why do I need a mishna for? And that's the question. Now, there's no on the head. Why? Because I see it in two other Mishn that same once a head is born the whole animal is born. So again we're discussing this leg that went out came back in what's in the head a head was born. So you're not allow you're not allowed to eat the entire fetus even if it brings the head back out. What's the once that came out it's considered a birth that also we learned. Oh, so let me just be magnum super interesting today. I'm serious. There's two when it comes to there's two types of there's aar what does aar have think about it what's what's special about two things first of all gets everybody knows oh it gets two time a second that's all you guys care about if you're not akar you care about your older brother that he's going to get yeah and there's another thing when he's born you have to do there's two very very big between the two has to do with the mother's first child. So sometimes you go to you see a person has a baby. Oh mazto maz you go to the bris whole thing and then you wonder to yourself how come there's no bed. Could be a number of reasons. Either it's a you know the wife is a kayen but you know you know the wife very well. I mean she's she's your sister or whatever like I'm not a ken. She's not either a ken. So what's going on there? How come there's no today? >> C-section. There's no C-section. It's very possible that she had a miscarriage and a miscarriage makes the se makes the other kid that she had a second kid to know one month this that you go ask him someone just asked me recently do I have to make a pin I said don't what do you I do I'm a d guy you know I give she go ask your local rabbi my just like in the last two months or whatever so but when it comes to the to to a A little different, very different. Yusha who gets raious. So we learn in the Gar means the one that the father would have a lot of sar if he dies. And when when a uh there's a miscarriage, the father doesn't have that amount of pain. Therefore, the miscarriage doesn't affect the yusha. So even if he's considered second foren he's not he's considered first for the he gets two parts. So you can't go and say by the fight you can't say oh but he didn't have a pin so he doesn't get two parts. No it has nothing to do with so it says like this but we already learned that when once the head comes out it's considered a birth. So if that's the case I don't need it in our mishna. If I don't need an hourish, there's zerodish in our mishna. Case number one of the hand coming out, he said it's not a at all. It's really for the second case of the head. But the head is also not a why not. It's a riddle. How do you have a four two times for a second portion? But he's not a for you don't have to pay five. The second kid who comes after the first child was a nafl is born let's say in the eth month in the time of the garra some even though the nafl the miscarriage came out with a live head or was a fullterm baby the first one he was he was delivered dead his head came out dead and time it's because in the ninth month he came out dead. But if his head was alive and that's the that we see over here that a live head, it's considered a birth. The first one was born even though he might have died later on he came out his head was alive. So what do you see? It's all dependent on the head. The head is the birth. Why does our have to talk about the birth of a head? Oh, he'll tell you over there. We're talking about a human being. Parl is talking about humans and this is talking about an animal and you can't learn one from the other. Why? I'll tell you why. Two big you can't learn a human being from an animal. Why? A they praise the if you ever saw we just showed a video of a zebra giving birth. Not mish. What an animal gives birth. It's standing up and it's exposed to the world. Any direction that you look at it, you'll see the birth. By human being, the thighs cover the birth from certain angles. So it's cons maybe the birth of the head is not considered a real birth. Didn't come into the world. Not everybody could see it. We're not talking about inflar which is referring to a pipe inside the woman's body. We're not talking about inside. We're talking about outside her body. There's a praisor. We're talking about the thighs. So once the head is born, if you're standing from the side, you won't see anything is not considered a birth. And another reason you can learn an animal from a from a human today we know for a fact every two days or every day uh some of the terrorists from the they they they suddenly a missile hits them somewhere in Gaza what happened they they're running around on social media with oh look what I did I attacked a tank I did this so they have their faces facial recognition wherever they are they know exactly where every single one of them is and they're all going to go bye-bye. >> Why? Cuz a human being there's not a single face that resembles another f every face is different. We're probably though I don't know look look it up. I'm sure there are other animals like monkeys whatever that have a similar kind of thing but like like human beings that everyone is so unique. They hear color and the the the cheeks and the eyes and everything is different about every single human being. So, when a human being is born, it's a bird. His head. I can recognize him right away. It's different. I mean, all human beings when they're born, they basically look like aliens. That's a different story. But they're different. The animal cow's born. You can't say, "Oh, there's a birth. This head looks exactly like the other cow." So, says that that I also learned anyways. This is no in ahead. Why? It says, so you have the amniotic sack that the baby uh sits in, spends its pregnancy in. If a little part of that sack comes out, we're concerned that there's a a there used to be a baby in there. It just it got dissolved. And what are we concerned? We're concerned that there's there was a head and the little part that came out there's a head that got dissolved. So once again we see that the head is considered the birth amniotic sack because again we're concerned about the head just like by a woman we're considered we're concerned about uh a dissolved baby. So too by the animal but the point is the head. So we already see that the birth of a head is what what counts and then the Gmorra goes on with the question. And here's the question just about P once again we asked why does it say that the animal stuck its hand out brought the hand back in says you're right there's no at all what's the in the head out head in big kesh asking not a kdish I have two that tell me the same thing already the birth of the head is the birth so then what's the in our it's not the head part so what is it the hand it's not the hand part so what is it why do we have it zero duration if you tell There's a big in the hand that what taught to say that what that you're allowed to eat the hand once the hand goes out and comes back in there's a major you're allowed to eat the hand not not like we're going to see that's great now I have a so that that's why even though there's no in the head I'm saying it because of the hand if you're telling me there's zeroish in the hand and there's zeroish in a head. So what's the point of this whole Mishna says not the point of the whole Mishna but the point of that bringing you back in part there is a major here we're talking about that you're allowed to eat the actual animal itself the baby and we're going to see this three times today he's going to say which is the place of the cut what happened an animal sticks his hand out comes the owner sees his his animal struggling in this birth. He takes a knife, chop chop, chops the hand right off. You have the part of the hand that's cut by the cut. It's at the surface at the opening of the animal. It's not outside and it's not inside. It's right there by the surface. If the hand was outside, it would be to eat. If the hand is inside it would be it's saying or like my friend says okay is >> so hold on a second. So now this part is not outside not inside major that if it pulls its hand back in you to eat it with the big >> that area that's on the entrance of the animal if it was outside if it's inside mut but it's it's not it's not inside not outside. If the animal was outside completely and it came back in not to eat if it was in noish at all is that that part of the part. Now we're going to have this three times in a row. So remember you land if you only if the animal pulls it completely back in it because it no it's it's it's in between. It's and so now we go our our Mishna >> and it's not our surprise but it has a lot of similarities to our Mishna an animal is having difficulty giving birth it stuck it hand out and pulled it back in then it checked the mother. So we have the same question. What's the hand or the whole animal? But we're going to try to prove it from the rest. But if it you the mother and then it decided to pull its hand back in. Of course, what's that piece that came back in? It's not it's not not okay. It stuck its hand out and you cut it off and you the mother the the the hand that you cut off is to why is it? It's an aa it's a it's a dead animal that never had dead animals that don't have a a cow that dies without is an aa a cat that dies without is an aa a snake that dies without anything is not is not why Because it's not from if it stuck out and you cut it back. It's an that is inside the animal. In other words, the entire fetus that's inside you eat it. Here's a this mother. Then you cut off that foot, that hand that was sticking out. Listen to this. The meat touched the why. The the foot that's outside is not part of the animal. It's not part of the that we said is an that is. And guess what? Na what to Na that the highest that an animal could be avatar goes down one level. So if meat good kosher meat which is the fetus touches this aai part this foot the foot is what's this over here? It jumps down. It becomes no not other food. It's food. It touched the part and becomes important for us. No, it only touched which is which says more. that says in the beginning it now we're going to go through the motions here. What are we talking about? We're talking about what do you like to eat? You allow to eat the foot the the the hand we're talking about the actual fetus. But if we're talking about the now it can't be we're talking about a baby here because everything has to be consistent. So we're talking about the baby and not the the hand. So the whole mission is the baby. Now what happened in the second part the mother then it brought its hand back in. We're talking about the uber. We're talking about the fetus. What's Why in the world would the baby become if it brought its hand back in? What? The rest of the baby's also. You're right. We're not talking about We're not talking about either. We're not talking about the baby. We're not talking about its hand. We're talking about one part of it. The part that's at the border. It's not inside. It's not outside. If it pulls it back in, it's motor. So listen to this comes from what does he bring? Usually a good uncle from America brings toys and cash. He brings a I have a forum. Here's a bright basically he says these two these two words in the paras and says twice my friends any animal that split hooves paras is one is two let's learn something from it that if it stuck its hand out the paraser brought it back in you could eat it and if you brought it back in you could eat it the same Basically twice two feet came out you could eat it. One foot came out you could eat it. Same discussion that we're having up until now. Hand goes out. Hand comes back in. You could eat what? Not the rest of the fetus. The hand itself. You allowed to eat the fetus, not the hand. Asking are you? The same question we had in the Mishna. So then why does it say that he brought it back in? Here's I'm talking about that area that's not inside the animal. It's not outside. It's at the opening of the animal. And if it pulls it back in, then you're allowed to eat it after you the mother. Yes, I get it all. I heard this before. But you're bringing me there's one extra here. Okay. use the word paras but what about the aa itself what about the foot itself maybe that I can learn from the word procise says you're 100% right you do learn two things from the two words but different than you want to do I'm going to use up for what like you said but one check this out if a cow gives birth to something like this >> it's a Camel. Camel. Very good. Israel. A camel. But take a look at its feet. It's born from a cow, but it has stray feet. It doesn't have maf paras. It doesn't go through and through. It has exactly what a camel looks like. It has like these two giant toes. You allowed to eat this or not allowed to eat it. It was born from a cow. Two cows, father, mother. Just it came out weird. Allowed to eat or not allowed to eat it. So you're not allowed to eat it. But but in utro if you eat if if you sh the mother and it's in there and you find like that you're allowed to eat it. That's the second process. The whatever says if a camel comes out and has doesn't have mafance because it was born the mother and you have a baby in there with no mism and now we have the posing sheet and this is going to disappear real quickly. Rav was the golad in Bavan was his contemporary lived in the same time was an R was slightly older he's considered a Tana is not considered a Tana but was the galan argues and he says if a cow while it's giving birth it it's not important giving birth while she's pregnant the baby sticks its hand out and pulls the hand back in says you allow to eat the hand if you chef the cow mother and the baby's inside still says you eat the hand I argue on so I was just thinking to myself in the nothing but the daf those 10 seconds are going to be cut out but of me trying to get that drink >> it's all your explanation of those 10 seconds >> correct they won't even see how good the nothing but okay so how could you argue I'm just thinking yeah always argue and all of a sudden ram are together on this they don't argue they say what if the animal pulls its hand back this is today you can't eat the hand how could you go and argue on them there's a I forgot where it is that says that they used to go to Raph's caver and take some of that the the the dirt from the caver and put in their eyes says I'm both of them they're so the the I hold of them they I I'm going to take the dirt put it in my eye blind myself with it that's howish they are I wish I could have some dirt from their caver and put it in my eye but what am I going to do after my eye said everything was in the the general rule shouldn't eat meat that's from the field. What does it mean? Whether it's whether it's or that whole parish with why did you burn that that and he tells him did it go out if it went out I understand why you burned it didn't go out doesn't mean it didn't go out if it went outside of the the B mikdash for a second you know how to bring it back in once it went out it's gone So only one time did the say on on some item if it goes out it can't come back in the but all other things in the like a hand that went out of an animal came back in it should be okay what is it coming to tell us oh so now the jumps to another completely somebody has a bunch of produce he has to take 10% of it and bring it to and eating and his first fruit he brings to eats it only if you take my fruit and you bring it into then you take it outside and bring it back to you you're allowed to bring it back to there's no problem and I think so too by the by the fetus stuck his hand out could bring his hand back in sh the mother the hand's Okay. I would think like that it's okay. No, it's like it's not my Where do you see it in the word? In the word this treat like a not even when it comes to there's no there's no back seas. can't retroactive do something to to to apply a new rule to to what you have now. Right now it's finished. You can't undo that to the meat once it goes out of the its boundaries. It went out of the mother even if you brought it back in. It's also like we have a question. We just learned where do you see that you're allowed to bring it back in once it goes out of even if you bring it back it's 100% have a wonderful day >> merit of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.