CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 64 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

Good morning. So Omar 10 lines from the bottom. If you have a tradition that this bird is, you're allowed to eat it. Even though you don't know that, you don't see the simony kash nothing but you have a tradition. This is a kosher bird. Now since 11,000 birds are kosher and only 24 out of the 11,000 are non so you could rely on them. A hunter has you could trust a hunter. My rebi told me that this bird is kosher. That's what a hunter could say. So the is going to explain what does a rebby mean? He's the Rebi in Tyra or he's the Rebi in hunting. Doesn't even make sense. He should be the Rebi in hunting. But at the end of the day, the Gumar says he's the Rebi in hunting. He's a hunter Rebi. He could be a big amar. Doesn't know how to learn a word, but he's a Rebi in hunting. And you can rely on him. He tells you what's kosh, what's not. We can only trust him when he knows the names of these birds, of the 24 tummy birds, and he knows what they look like. When you tell me that the hunter says this is what my rebi told me, are we talking about a rebi in or rebi in hunting? Prove it to that he has to be familiar with them and their names. Now the says, how would a know what they look like? He's a he's a big godly. He knows how to learn. He knows names, but he doesn't know what they look like. He's never to the zoo. He's saying he's a hunter. Shaper makes a lot of sense. He knows what they look like. I can understand. He knows all 24 names by heart. But how would he know what they look like? So must be that we're talking about a Rebi who taught him about birds and how to hunt birds, but he's not the entire I remember going to the stores when I go skiing and you always see these weird eggs. Are these kosher eggs? So based on what the Gar tells us, one of the at least from the outside, they look very kosher because it's round on one side. Right over here, it's round and sharp over here. So that's that's what a chicken egg looks like as well. Has a pointy side and a rounder side. These are quail eggs, which should be kosher. Now, how do you know they're quail eggs? Maybe they're eagle eggs. Now, I'm assuming eagle egg is much larger, but let's say so you can rely on the guy. The guy tells you, "Hey, these are quail eggs." Now, if he tells you they're kosher, it's not good. He has to tell you what name. He has to tell you, "These are quail eggs." Okay? Even in the Alps of Austria, in every place, you could buy eggs from a guy. So here's two things that could be a big problem. What if the chicken died and you remove the eggs from the chicken? That's an avail that would be also for you to eat. There's another problem called the tra is what if a chicken has a defect in its heart, a defect in its lungs, a defect in like we learned the other day, the tendons are ripped, then that would be user to eat the chicken, but you'll also be offered to eat the egg of that chicken. So the kasha the question is so then how do we eat eggs today maybe the egg was laid by a mother chicken who has a broken and has a hole in the eventually when they toss this chicken away they say we can't eat it it's not it's not good for this shalom so what do you do same question is asked about milk how could you eat drink milk from an animal that's strafe now that's a harder question to answer than the eggs when it comes to an egg, you could look at the individual egg and say, "Okay, this is an egg and it has a ra roy or nature." Great. But when it comes to milk, the milk mixes in with other milk. And even though roy is okay, but within it now, you certainly have one cow that's strafe out of the hundred and it's milk mixed in with the others and you're drinking t milk because every cup of milk is going to have a mixture of all the milks. So they they deal with it and we go with and we're not concerned. Especially chickens that lay eggs don't have as many problems as the chickens that we eat today. That's what they say. So asking how could you eat his eggs and you know maybe it came from a bird that's in the list of birds the 24 is because the nonjew tells you it comes from this quail bird that's that's tar and the idea is that something that you can detect and figure out later that he's lying he's not going to lie about so since he says it's quail bird and you could go online and check out this particular picture. Ask Chad GPT what this is or you go to your friend who it looks like a work of art actually. It looks like somebody drew on it. Give so says the shar. Why does the idol worshipper have to tell him what bird it is that it's a quail? He should just say it's it's a kosher bird. No, he could always wiggle his way out of it and he'll say, "Oh, I meant another bird." But now that he said it's a quail bird, now he's in a corner. He's not going to lie about it because he could catch him easy. asking why do you rely on the nonjew doesn't every egg have its own its own signs to tell you that just like eggs have their own sim so fish or the the the sim of an egg is like that of a fish right away before we go on tells you that a fish has uh scales, fins and scales. We know eggs don't have fins and scales. What it meant to say is that the caviar, the fish eggs have similar sim as an egg. So the kosher caviar would be as explains in a second. So I don't know there's a picture in that he explained it like this that even the way that it lays in the stomach of the fish is like a egg not a round thing like in a a non-coosher fish it's like this versus like an like a egg shape not so much that each individual looks like an egg these are the signs Every every egg has to be round but a circle. Meaning a circle could be a flat pancake, could be a circle, but it has to be round and a circle. If the bottom is circular and the top is pointy, then it's tar. If both heads, both sides are pointy like this. I didn't show so many pictures in the Hebrew. On the one on the right, both of them are pointy. The one on the left, both of them are round. That's why I wasn't sure if this is a chicken egg. It should. This should be a chicken egg, but it kind of looks >> It's points from both sides. >> It It's round on both sides to me. This one is a little point there. >> Little point. Okay. I hear I could hear that. I don't understand. >> She says, "Oh, so I said in the Hebrew that the sign that that that I work with is like it has base is milk which is white. So you know that's the white part of the egg. Is like lemon. It's like like a lemon that's yellow. Okay, great. Has nothing to do with the with reality. It's just a way to remember it because it it could get confusing like if you like that you go do a few more lines and all of a sudden it says so. Okay, here it goes the white on the outside. That's like a typical chicken egg and the yolk is in the center. That's great. But if you have the reverse, now everybody discusses what in the world is. We're not familiar with any eggs that have that that have the yellow on the outside and the white on the inside. So they different if there's a mixture something like that. Um the the turtle they they go into different things where you can find something similar. Okay. I don't think you'll find one of these uh yell on the outside with a different species of bird. Oh's question is why do you have to trust a nonjew to tell you if it's kosher or not? Just look at its egg. You can't look at it. can't tell because he bought um the the the yolk and the and the the the white part they were already cut. In other words, it was they already cracked the egg open. Okay. So, they cracked it open. We could see is the white on the outside or the white on the inside. They already beaten. They already made a egg mixture. They sell it already. You know, like you can go probably to to Costco or whatever, buy one of these milk cartons. They're already and you just pour it out. You make all your eggs. So that's why we can't tell. We have to rely on the non-Jew to tell me, hey, these eggs are of kosher species, which is interesting because they discussed this also. But the whole point is that you can catch the non-Jew if he's lying. But how can you catch him? It's already in a mixture. You'll never be able to catch him. How can you say, "Oh, this is not a quail egg. This is something else. They all look the same. It's all mixed in." Okay, that it's discussed. Says, "How could you purchase a mixture of eggs, a beaten egg? It says buy from a guy a beaten egg. You you should not sell a tra egg." Egg that came from a trafe. What's a trafe egg? Egg that came from a tra chicken. The egg itself is perfect, but it came from a tra chicken. So the egg itself is a tra. You shouldn't sell it to the guy. Why? Because he'll turn around and he might sell to the Jew. But LMK, if it's beaten, so then you're allowed to sell to the guy. Why? Because no Jew will buy it from him. You see that nobody's going to buy it from him. That means you're not allowed to buy a beaten egg from a guy. So why are you telling me that he bought beaten eggs from the guy? So obviously this whole idea that the egg is is is round and it's pointy and the that's all stuff that we said but it's not in the so then why is it needed? So the is going to discuss that because if you don't say that it's a that's just the thing there are eight birds that we don't know what they are. We have a suffic. What's the problem? They do see what what kind of eggs they like. If they have the simum of a kosher bird in the kosher see from the fact says that these eight birds remain a suffic there's no way to determine whether or not they're kosher birds from their eggs. So then why do we have this bry that tells us oh you should know kosher egg is round on the bottom and and and and sharp on top just like a good yeshiva what's the point is telling if you see that they're equal on both sides they're both pointy both round then for sure it's strafe or if the yolk is on the outside and the white is on the inside this all these cases of but if one head is pointy and one head is round that's good and the yolk is in the right place is in the center and then comes the non-Jew after you see all these signs this is a quail bird and it's kosher why I looked at this egg oh m's like I take a look at this quail egg. If I could grab one without cracking it, I say, "Oh, this egg is round over here and pointy over here. Oo, it has good sides." And then the guy says, "Mom," and she tells me it's a quail egg. He knocks he he writes on the box. It says right over in the box, "Quail pack." But I don't want this to fall on my thing. It says here quail pack right over here. Could you see? No. Anyway, it says it. So, I could trust him. Why? Cuz it it started out with this. That's why I need. But if the nonrew doesn't tell me what it is, you can rely on him. He didn't say what bird it is. He says you should know it's kosher. He didn't tell me. He didn't say it's a quail. Because there are the raven birds which are very similar. Here's the video. They're very similar to the pigeon bird. I can't rely on him. Okay. When you have the white and the yellow mixed with each other, now I know which is what cuz Israel told me is the white is the yellow. You should know that this is a nonosher animal. This is more of a animal. What's the point? of means that it started developing. The embro started developing. Once it starts developing, it has the and therefore if the egg has a small tiny hole the size of a lentil. Now if I touch the egg the if I touch the shell I don't become tummy. Oh, let's try it. This is not a good idea, but let me see here. Nikka, I just did a neckv the size of a lentil. Now I'm going to touch it. So since I touched it and it started developing. So I just touched the sher and and say it's actually much more than but the opening. So that's the you should know that he came to me because he just touched a sher. He just touched the egg of a turtle. Maybe it's the egg of a snake. And the egg of a snake is not mama. Why is the egg of a snake not mama? Here we go. Here's the eggs of snakes. It's not mama because it's not one of the who told me I'm so what's why do you tell me about that? If it's a if it's a mix yellow and white it's that of a not touching. If you ate it now you're have to bring a somebody warned you your didn't you should bring if they warned you not to eat it you get malus this three of eating you get malus should have the same exact of eating an egg even if Egg of a chicken. Last line. You see this is real. If you have little chicks that their eyes didn't open up and you eat them, you get an aa for eating a sheriff. Even though it's a chicken, but it's a disgusting little chicken. It's a little sheriff's chicken. So says, "No, no, no. That's only it's really the is to eat a little chick with its eyes closed. Not a real isser cuz it's not a sher it's a chicken. So it's also according to this it's also and I you brought me a cross. Okay. Says, "If you take two eggs, we're going to call we're going to call this the T egg and this this quail egg, we're going to call it kosher." You put them both in a pot and you boil them together. What happens to this kosher egg? Are you allowed to eat it? Obviously, you cannot eat the trafe egg ever. You can't make a trafe egg kosher. But I'm asking about the kosher egg. Did some of the juices of this egg travel into this egg and become tra? Says the noises. It's you're allowed to. We just considered it water. Now another bim. Those are basically the eggs that we have today. These are eggs without any male intervention. just females laying eggs and the female sits on it. She thinks it's a real egg. So she says it's kind of gross. So even somebody who's a little bit of an istanus, no it's not an estinus could eat it, right? She says somebody that's not an istanus because it it has a little bit of a grossness to it because she sat on it for so long. It's not like the eggs that we eat today. Now, if you have an egg that did have a male involved and there's blood. So, in other words, the egg is fertilized. So, listen to this. This will be a that we didn't know before we saw this because we're used to taking the egg and throwing it out. Says, "No, you could cut it blood out. Now don't pass in anything based on this. It's a little bit more detailed than this over here says you to take the blood and get rid of it and you allow to eat the the egg. It's because you're you're it's on the knot. You see those little strings that that's that's the beginning of the formation of the embro and rashi says in particular the blood will if it's found on the cad side on the right side of this chart not the left side. So if take the laser out for a second right over here. That's what he says there's a difference. Not over here over here. I don't know why >> he said he doesn't say but he says so says oh where are six lines seven lines on the top that this this uh uh blood was found on the white part. In other words, the kesher on the white part. Let's see. Maybe that's why he did that one here. Says the kesher on the white and not on the yellow. Maybe the kesher on the yolk. So he's showing the kesher like four different keshers over there. Not familiar with those extra two. pizza. In other words, the whole egg is also why cuz now she put a she ruined the whole thing. There's a little blood, but that's it. It spread. It's like a disease. It spread everywhere. First, they told the opposite that if it's on the yellow, then it's okay. And if it's on the white, it's not okay. starts and is the one that flipped it and said if it's on the white it's okay if it's on the yellow it's not okay how do you know that the egg we know that atomic bird how do you know it's egg is so says the I'm just marking it here they have to start here from the Israelis so we know basana is an ostrich but it says the daughter of a yano In Hebrew it's called that's the name of the bird saying what's bayana bat means the daughter of when it has a daughter gives lays eggs. So basana doesn't have a daughter. So what does bas mean? means it's the it's referring to the egg of the the name is and it has a daughter meaning it has an egg and that egg is also so this is the saying that that her egg is maybe that's exactly maybe that's exactly their name maybe the name is You see the Torah calls it by itself is referring to the egg. This is what we have in you have it all over the world. We have jackals and uh if you pay attention at night used to be much louder. Now they built a lot but you can hear them. They scream a lot. So this is katana. That's what it is. The tan is a give a like a a eulogy a hespit like a like a jackal. So over here it says like the daughters of Jana. So it says the Gmorra no it's her name is notana it's Kana her name is Jana but she's like the Jana who is in mourning over her sons. That's what it means. Give a h like a like a ostrich who's in mourning over her sons. Oh yeah. So I have to show this. Yeah, I'll show it in a second. Once again, her name is No, it's referring to her name is but she lives with her sons. Once again, we have a posit that her name is like in modern Hebrew. She has like a double name. If you think the word bas means the egg can't say the call it call the when when a writes this in the he says it in two he writes it in two different words bas means egg. That means it has two different names. In other words, the yan is the name and the bass is the egg. Okay, let me just finish here. These two lines is two words. The s betray writes it in two words. We know it's one word. It's one person over there. You're right. It's two words, but you can't put those two words on two different lines. You can't put on the end of one line and on the beginning of the next line. It's not two separate words. It's one name. It's like Gary Ben Moshe. Ben Moshe can't be on two different lines. It has to be together. You can put on two different lines. >> Rebell is one word. One word. How do you spell rebellion is also a word. >> Okay. Raboi. I can't believe. Hold on. Let's see. 1:40 in the morning. >> Raboi. Have a wonderful day. Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.