CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 57 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding in the afternoon with top. We're talking about different that you have in chickens and birds. The Mishna says that if the feet break, then the the the chicken is okay. These areas that are these are chairs, not there's a basket full of chickens that had broken legs and they came to says the broken legs kosher. So Raa checked the so we're going to learn about like you've never seen it before. Here it goes. So first we'll start with the pictures then we'll move our way into video like you've never seen it. This is from the lotion book. I'll show you here is in this area more or less. It's also in the leg the yellow part. It's tendons. The Gomorrah. We We're going to learn that there's 16 strands. 16. 11 on one side, five on the other side. Check this out. Here's a person. I love this picture from Kalashan. Person sticks his finger underneath it to make sure that nothing snapped. And now check this video out. We have in addition to all our amazing artists that we have, we also have some somebody that no one in the world has and his name is Re Vice from Manchester. Huge and he gives us great videos and pictures. Check this out. >> This is a chicken. Yeah. And we're going to show where the giddy now. So this is where the shik is and we're going to cut in the leg. I'm going to try to find the giddy. So if we go here have 16 G in 11 on this side and five on the other side and you can see each thing even just one of them is snapped it's safe. Some check over here and some check over here. Okay, give. So if we just finish here right now, we gained a tremendous amount of knowledge. That's you hear it a lot. Some don't check at all. They take a sample checking. They they go with different some check everyone. I think it's a big big to check every single one. I think says Omar. So this we're going to have a lot of freebies, a lot of that's over and over and over. If you take a look at the animal, there's the front and there's the the rear. Here you see how the joint popped out. That would be cauter. Even if the tendons snapped back over here, the hind leg, if it popped, if the tendons snap, then it's trafe. So you take whatever makes a trafe in the back leg and you say that that on the front foot, the callad, that's kosher. So the back one, the only time it's tra is if it's the tendon snap. That same thing on the front 10 snap would be kosher. Even if the tenants snap if the the ball came out of the socket, if it happened in an animal, it's because it's the front. And if they have in the rear of the animal then it's oh and that's today's day we're gonna see basically the holds it if this happened a bird only has two feet not to be confused with a four-legged bird it only has two so if the two back one of them pops out and is going to try to say that says it's kosher back and forth repeating itself over and over. It's going to be and if the wing pops out then it's so there's a fascinating thing about the lung of a bird which is the interesting shape. the the bird, its lung doesn't >> expand, >> inflate and deflate, >> inflate and deflate. Why? Because a bird flies and when it flies, it uses up a lot of oxygen. It'll be too much for it to go. It's too slow. It needs to like it just opens up its mouth and the oxygen comes in, goes through the lungs, through the body, and end of the story. So, it operates slightly different than an animal. Now the the lungs of the bird are kind of interwined with the ribs. The ribs also it's more of a solid cage. It's they almost connect in a way >> embedded >> embedded and oh the the lung is embedded with with the with the ribs >> ribs are embedded into the lungs. >> How do you know? You're just saying what I'm saying >> based on what I'm saying. Okay. So they're different than an animal. And when you pop the wing off, which is connected in that area to the to the ribs, it it's going to rip a little bit. It could rip the lung. So therefore, what's the problem? Just like you check a lung, you check of an animal, you check a lung of a of a chicken, see if it has a hole in it. So what if the the the the wing came off? How do you check the lungs? So Rash says something interesting. You take a straw, you put it in the esophagus, and you blow in. You're not going to take it with your mouth because you can't remove the lung of the chicken from the body because it's going to it might rip. It's embedded over there with the with the with the ribs. Says, "Check it. If it doesn't leak air, then you know you're good." Also agrees to check it. Says a very interesting thing. A bird doesn't have a lung. So, we have to understand, did he mean it literally or not? He does have a lung. Not only that, I'll tell you exactly what it looks like. It literally looks like the color of a red rose. It's very deep red and it's stationed between its wings. It has It has a lung. In real life, what does mean that a bird doesn't have a lung? If you want to tell me it doesn't have a lung at all, I mean, just open up a bird and you'll see it has a lung. What he meant to say is maybe [clears throat] he has a lung. Just you're not going to make a tra out of it. It's not going to hurt anything if it has a hole. Has a hole. Big deal. It doesn't make a tra. But that can be connected. Every traer an animal has, you could do the same tra in a bird. So we know that one of the traers of an animal is a hole in the lung. That same tra you would have by a bird. Not only does a bird have the same exact tra than than an animal if it's um skull breaks. If the skull breaks and there's a hole in the in the membrane of the brain a uh oh so that that's a traer by a bird by an animal you need a hole through the membrane by a bird you don't need that even just a broken skull. So what does mean that there's no no it doesn't have lungs a bird doesn't have lungs what it means to say is that if a bird falls, we know that if a bird falls, you have to check the insides. We have to be concerned of what you don't have to check is the lungs. Why? Because the lungs have nice protection from the rib cage, we're not concerned. And if uh a chicken, so if he burnt himself on a barbecue, let's say, and his organs turned green, he's straight. So that you do not need to check the lung of a chicken if it falls into the flame. Check the the liver, the cork, the the heart, but not the the lungs because they're protected. What's the reason? because most of its ribs protect it. Argues with he says, "No, a bird has a lung." And he he goes on to describe the color and what it looks like. It looks like a red rose must be the last he doesn't have. So what's going on here? They say from the words of the who is you could see that this galadar didn't eat chicken because if had eaten chicken he would know exactly that it has a lung inside today we get it all packaged we don't know about the lungs in those days you got you went to you got a chicken you wife had to cut it open you had to cut open you know this lung you know everything about Here we go. Starting all over. We're going to we're going to confuse ourselves here because on the one hand, Rav says that when it pops out of the joint that that pops out, it's culture. review the famous of Rav. He says in the name of Rav that it's sorry. You [clears throat] said a second ago. What's going on here? Or Malay? What does that mean? That every river has a different stream, a different way that it works. And again, you don't have to be a big uh Gimar think about Gimar all day, but if you just walk out of the hotel, you see a nahar lit a beautiful river and all through Austria and Switzerland and Germany, it's all rivers and rivers through the Alps, the whole thing. And each one has a different size. Some of them are massive rapids, some of them are slower and narrow. But what the Gammor really is saying is like this. It's a little bit of a step over here. Very simple. What happened? Rav holds that when it when it pops out of the socket, it's kosher. He happened to be at and he sees everybody saying that it's strafe. The is when people are m on something, you don't tell them, "Oh, what you're doing is is mut." So, he didn't say anything. He didn't say anything. So, he didn't say anything. But Rav Yehuda took that that silence as if he held that the Rav that the that Rav holds that it's again Rav was in a place that it was he didn't say anything. So he's thought that holds that it's but in fact Rav holds it [snorts] says found checking the tendon. Why you why are you so into this says that if the whole entire thigh popped off with all the and everything it's cauter so certainly if the itself is is snapped it's not about I don't know about I don't know anything I know it says if the animal's leg was cut from the bottom part It's caution and from that part on top then it's ple and if the are removed by an animal and says that if the it is so what are you telling me the ra said it's kosher we have a contradiction so that's the whole back and forth back and forth if the or if the if The joint of the pops out is it t or not but we have a contradiction in rav saysik there someone who explain in rash over here that ishik means that I don't even need to answer you it's such a not good question why goes on to explain why it's not a good question the tells him it's very simple there's a difference between when the joint pops out and everything comes out to cutting it. When you cut it, the animal will die. When it pops out, it won't die. You think that you invented this answer? Rav said this straight out. There's a difference between a joint that pops out or cutting a tendon. Oh, about the don't don't wonder. You're probably thinking, so what's the difference? What's the difference if it popped out or cut? Shouldn't they both kill the animal? No. If you cut the the birds like by the knee of the bird, it'll die. If you kill if you cut the live. Yeah. Yeah. Right. >> People could have uh they could have that injury during basketball also. goes alo who who went right before says and he finds saying when the bone pops out. So here we go again. We he found saying like this that Rav said in the name of Rav once again we have like a contradiction. What did Rav say when the the the tie is pulled out of it socket by a bird on your life like it's like a I think from the day the master came here. In other words, I had the opportunity to speak to I asked him second ago in the name of said it straight. Now he says cautious repeating everything word for word again. I saw checking the the tendons over there the 16 tendons. If it pulled out of the sack of its kosher, so why in the world are they checking the who cares? It doesn't even need the whole it's not important. says in the Mishna that an animal who an animal not a bird we're talking about birds here but an animal whose foot was cut off from the bottom part above that uh that joint is possible and so too if you remove the if you remove by a bird it's so how come they said in the name of that it's a contradiction ra is it we had before because it wasn't it wasn't a good question. Maybe the [snorts] is that there's a difference between pulled out of the joint or cut. You're you think you came up with this yank it out of the joint. It's because it's going to live. But if you cut it, how do you explain it? Says this is this is what said. So here we have another said if was here in the place and my friends would say that that it's when it pop pops out of the joint he wouldn't even twitch he wouldn't make a move he wouldn't show any discomfort with that says I mean this is one of these is going back and forth puzzle puzzle puzzle. What's the bottom line? And the says it's whole thigh popped out and Rebi said this is kosher takes this this bird. The Rebi said it's kosher and he preserved it. He put it in uh preservatives, salt. Vavayba for for for years he would pull out this bird chicken turkey. What is it called? Beef jerky. So chicken jerky. Is is that a thing? Get he preserved it for for a long time. >> He probably preserved the actual dislocation [snorts] jerky. >> The whole the whole whatever it was that whole part. It says this >> formaldahhide. >> Formaldihide. Yeah. And he would take this preserved chicken. He says, "Oh, you see this bird? This was says we can't learn anything is not like any of these people that say that when the thigh pops out it's not like when there's a hole in the trachea of an animal we know that a hole in the trachea doesn't make a But there's a certain amount that makes a question at all. It's a size of a coin. We asked him a question from a a story. There was a sheep in our neighborhood. It's trache had a hole in it. They put some some device on it and it lived. So you see that it can live you're going to rely on a story everybody knows that this is so again after all the back and forth and rebi said it's kosher and this one said the name that's kosher and they were kosher no everybody knows this is a this is a standard fight I'm going to have over shabas here with There's a somebody told this to me this morning about he says listen it's already it's a mig that's accepted and you know here he has a good tit from this I don't agree with him I'm just saying this idea comes from here that once it's already accepted in this they say yet. So this is fascinating. This is going to bring us into an about was like a scientist. He tried to experiment. [snorts] You know they have these people that try to experiment stuff. You know how far could you know if you throw a car a bullet could go through this. So he also experimented different stuff to see different alas. That what we know that if a thigh pops out of its socket, its tra and had a chicken that its thigh popped out. Here we have a video of exactly how it happened and how it worked because we always try to explain how things happened. How did its thigh pop out of the socket and what do they do? They made it a cast out of a fake, you know, like a fake little leg out of a reed. So you see it could work and that this this bird lived. Great. So we have two stories of birds that lived even though it's so you must say since the Gar tells us that this is a tra that won't live. You have to say that when they saw that it survived, it was less than 12 months. At the end of the day, when the socket pops, it's saw that it's not then. Here we go. Story time. He liked to experiment a lot. He wanted to prove our wrong. Why or what? If the larger feathers, there's larger and there's smaller. I just want to make sure. Where am I? Where's the mish? Maybe it's on days. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is the down the smaller ones. I made a mistake. Yeah, the smaller ones the down. Okay. So he says that the smaller ones are apostle last last line on the if the down the smaller ones. So I made a mistake in the Hebrew. Okay, we got to check. We got to somehow fix that maybe. >> How do we fix it? What? >> Maybe. Okay, >> you remind me after. So he wanted to prove him wrong. He had a chicken, punked out a chicken that all the down came out, the small feathers. He wanted to show that it could survive more than a year. So he put him in in an oven. In other words, a warm place. the he took this apron that copper smiths use and it's full of copper, little parts of copper. So it and it's made out of leather. It it contains it it keeps the heat, the body heat. So this chicken was well I don't know had a good high temperature. It was able to grow its feathers back better than the first ones. review them might hold that a tra actually could get better. The garb says over here the same thing this tra goes up up up but at the end it's going to die it's going to die if it's a tra it's going to die so maybe that's what happened over here you you saw the feathers growing okay but at the end of the day it's still tra it's not going to survive so doesn't make any sense. If you want to tell me that the animal gets better in another area, it gained some weight or whatever. Great. But to tell me that that area that became tra that got better like it has a hole in its heart and that's a tra healed itself and it grew stronger and more muscular and then it's going to die. That doesn't make sense. May I ask why is called a scientist an experimental scientist the famous says go check out the ants there if you're if you're a lazy person you need to look at the ant watch its its movements its its ways and you'll become wiser nobody tells it what to do doesn't have a it doesn't have a a king. It just does. It'll prepare in the summer everything it needs. >> What? >> That's why it survives. That's why it's so powerful because it doesn't have correct [snorts] says. Oh, so he wanted to prove The last name Mala is it true that what is saying that it doesn't have a king now I think they say that ants do have a queen but does it rule the the the whole nest I don't know I think it's more like that's the one that lays the eggs etc what did he do he went in the summer say like oh kiss from we're in now put it like a clothing on top of the ant hole. One ant came out. So put a sign on this ant. Whatever it is, it painted it. I don't know what it did. He wanted to recognize this ant. He wanted to see if his experiment is going to work. All right. The ant went back into the what is it called? Hive. What do we call it? Ant >> colony. Maybe >> ant colony. Not a bad word. He goes back to the colony. He tells all his friends, "You're not going to believe it." >> So it goes it goes back to the nest and says, "Rabo say you're not going to believe it. Antill and nest the shade outside. We could all come and party because they don't like the sun." They go outside. This is going to happen. So he pulls his coat right off the ant. So they real, wait a minute, it's sunny outside. So they they jumped on top of this ant, this poor guy, and they killed him. Omar says, "Oh, obviously they don't have a king." Is if they would have a king, shouldn't they go back and ask permission if they should kill this guy? What does a king do? king h you know rules the place makes sure everybody's in line and if the people are misbehaving or not be he decides who dies or not who told you not a good experiment maybe didn't recognize but the king was with the whole group and he said kill him maybe There was a a rule in this nest that the king said if anybody misbehaves, lies about the weather, destroy him on the spot. I know people that would do that. Like the weatherman says there's going to be they said there's going to be rain in Austria this whole week. Kill him. [snorts] Maybe the king died was a period in between period by human beings we have periods with no king. What happens if there's no king? There's um social unrest. What's the word? Anarchy. Okay, let's just finish up. She says you should listen to he says there's no no uh no king no king. I know we're late by a minute, but let me just say this real quickly. Asked a bomb question. There's a famous Gmorra that said that there's going to be giant uh gems that are in the entrance to to the B mikdash and the the the left inside. And one day he was on a boat and he saw Malim carving out these giant gems for the doors. He came back and he says, "Rebi, I saw it with my own eyes." Oh, that's the word he used. Reika, that's the word. Reika, you empty one. You didn't believe me when I said it. Only now because he saw it and he turned into a pile of bones. So asked Tyus, why is not trusting? Why? She says no, he wasn't not trusting. He came to see how did know this how how do you figure it out? And so want to say that himself says go test it. He says I'm telling you go check out the ants. Go watch how they work. Maybe that was part of what he meant. Have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor atmop.com.