CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 52 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding 13 lines from the B. When an animal falls, you have to check the entire digestive system, the whole intestines. Start from the entire length of the spine and all the ribs. You got to check to make sure there's no internal damage. Animal falls, we have to be concerned that there's damage. What about the trachea and the esophagus the animal fell? Do we have to be concerned that maybe popped out of place? You don't have to worry about it. They are in good shape. They're very strong. They withhold. They withstand a fall. That's not the issue. [clears throat] I guess you can see also like in a human being, human beings that fall, what breaks? Their hip, their their ribs. You never really hear that the guy's esophagus popped out of place. You know what I'm saying? So the sophagus is pretty pretty pretty good. For me, this is one of the most interesting gimmar I've seen in a long time cuz now we're going to discuss when a bird falls on a certain material. Now the idea is in the says all the way at the end that there's two types of fall. There's ways to to to to jump off a two-story building. you know, you jump and you like um you try to absorb the fall. Now, if you can absorb the fall in a better way, they like roll. I don't know what different things. If you were to jump off a two-story building, but on an angle, it'll be a lot better. You let's say you hit a wall that has an angle to it, it'll be a lot better. It'll have absorb the fall a lot more than if you fall straight on a piece of concrete. That's all you hear. That's the end of the day. Anything that is slippery and that you're not it's not going to give a jolt like that. But what's the pella? Why why do I say it's one of the most interesting so the garamar gives 27 examples of different things that a bird could fall on that that's our so it's easy it flies you just have to understand what these things are I don't know all these 27 you'll help me out a little bit and we're going to go most of us some of us are scared of water most of us try to dive into the water once in a while and you do a little bit of a belly flap why does it So what if a bird with its wings tied fell onto the water? I guess these are all things that happened. These are [clears throat] common materials the birds fall on. Interesting. So as long as I could swim one bird's length. So he showed that he's not a he's not in a fool. He's not a res. He doesn't have crushed organs. He's able to move. We're going to see later on if an animal stands up, if an animal walks, these are all signs that he's okay. He doesn't have any internal damage. And this is only a bird who was able to swim from downstream upstream against the flow of the water upwards. But if he swam from up down, that's nothing. That's not a he just he was floating and he happened to make his way downstream. Big deal. Ka and if the water is stagnant it's just staying it's not going anywhere less limb but what's interesting is that Rashi says in this case that even if you went upstream even if you went like but [snorts] I thought it's ky it's it's stay so talks about it he says it the water is moving slightly and he he doesn't have to prove himself that he went upstream because it's barely moving so for a bird it's nothing let's say have a leaf You have a piece of floating wood on the water. So now you know the speed of the water, but he's vikat. He went he swam quicker than the wood. So he's going downstream. We said he has to he has to swim upstream. But look at the detail, the amount of detail. Like it's crazy. So he really has to prove himself by swimming upstream, but he could also prove himself swimming downstream if he's quicker than the floating things on the water. Floating things are going 5 miles an hour. He's going 10 miles an hour. So obviously you see that he's capable. Okay. Glema kash. Here's a gleamma. This is a real story. This is not made up. This is not AI. So that's a gleamma. Is this miach? If it's taught and the bird fell into it broken. So if it's taught, you know, like these guys, you saw they're professionals. There was a little bit of a stomach in that blanket. It gave it a little bit of absorb means we have to be concerned. It has broken bones. If it's not taught, if it's folded up, it has a nice cushion. If the net that you're catching with it has these knots that are close together, so now you have to be concerned that he got broke his bones on these knots. If the knots are further apart, you don't have to worry. I guess these are all things that they used to do back in the day. the cotton if it's in a bunch of bundles it's very it's very tough. [clears throat] So we have a nice video over here. Theisa like I explained before if the bird falls directly. This is not a good video because it has his wings are flapping. You know without without flapping wings he falls on the on the pinnacle on the spits of the bail then it will destroy his his uh bones. But if it's on the if it's on the side, so it get it moves a little bit. It's a little bit on slant. It absorbs more of the impact and then we don't have to worry about his bones and everything uh breaking. If he falls on the on the slant part, we're talking about reads. They're very tough. So you have to be concerned. If you have cotton that was pounded and combed, it's soft. It was just pounded but it wasn't combed so it's not that soft. David if small bundles small bundles have you tie it together so has knots you have to be concerned about the knot breaking it bones if it's like the stuff that comes out of the uh the cotton the it's finer stuff it's it's it's soft it's the what? No, I didn't. Oh, if it's very fine the Oh, the those little strings on on a palm tree. They're too tough to fall on, but if you like split them, then they're softer. This is super interesting. Sifted ash. You have ash. Sift it. You have to No, it's tough. If you didn't, you don't sift the ash. So it has it could absorb the fall. It's soft. We're going on. We're not even there. We're at number 16. Thin sand is not a concern. It's soft. If it's it's heavier, it's thicker, then it could break bones. In other words, don't think that, oh, oh, he fell on sand. Sometimes sand is not very to fall on in. I remember they had a truck like over here. They put the whole pile of sand to make so kids would actually jump out a very high like a third story fall into the sand cuz it's like it you know so that's straw made a bail out of straw. So now it's a tough little it's a box. But if you just have a a whole pile of straw, wheat and everything that's similar to wheat like how do you say and rye r this is rashy rye again anything that's similar to barley barley and everything that's similar wheat and everything they're tough kidney all types of how you say >> beans beans They're softer peas. No, this is this is a type of I guess is is is soft. The arbas that we eat on those are tough. Whoever goes to knows those are tough. They could crush your bones. Oh, finally after 27 here's the rule. Anything that's slippery so it absorbs more of the fall. You don't have to be concerned about but if it doesn't slide it has so says the gar like this here. Check this out. It's unbelievable. I didn't invent this. This is in the time of the gumar. trick. I probably got it from here. If you put down glue on a trap and a bird's wing sticks to it and it falls down, is that res or not? If the woodpecker fall from the second floor down to this, is that did his organs break? Do we have to be concerned? So, goes through the whole thing. How many wings got stuck? Because let's say only one wing got stuck. So, he has another wing that could lessen the impact. We're talking about impact. It's all about impact on the same bail of hay. Sometimes you it breaks, sometimes it doesn't if it's on the side. So over here, all you need to do is flap your wing a little bit. Maybe you lessen the impact. Okay, we're going to see a man that says one wing doesn't work really. It barely does anything. Okay, so let's see real deeper. If a bird falls down on a glue trap, he's stuck. His wings are stuck. He is also according to my not a problem. Gapa, if the problem is one wing got stuck, the other wing is like like the mouse. How did the mouse make it to my bed? Because only two of its feet got stuck on the glue trap. The other two were off and it kept on moving moving until he got to my bed. One wing is not the end of the world. He has one wing to to lessen the impact. Has two wings. How is he going to stop his fault and all things? So, so what's the other what's the other to say that it's okay? So, let's say this is my this is a wing and my the wing is stuck in the glue, but you still have the rest of the wing that he can move. It's not the whole wing is stuck. The ends of it are stuck on the glue, but from from where the the the bow and the wing attaches itself to the body can still move a little bit. moving lessens the impact some learn it two wings stuck to the goo trap everybody agrees that it's he has no way out of this he's not he's just like a human being falling off a fivetory building he can't flap anything flat flap your hands it's going to help you keep but there is one wing he could he could fly a little bit with one wing and therefore it lessens the impact the one who says that it's there broken bones I don't know exactly how it works, but I could assume a bird flies with two wings and when one doesn't work, then the other one also doesn't fly. It's not It's not It's not a thing. Doesn't the other one is not doing much at all. Not like in our video that he has like a nice descent down is when there are two wings stuck to the glue trap. The animal has broken bones. No, there is in fact a lessening of the impact when there's one wing attached. So now we have a whole about ribs. Lucky us, we have crazy artist who made this uh a lot more enjoyable for us. So it says in the Mishna if most of its ribs were broken. Now how many ribs need a break? What's Ry? So an animal actually has 26 ribs. So Ry would be 14 maybe. But that's not the R. R is 12. Why? Cuz we don't care about two of the ribs on each side. We don't care about the two red ones. Why don't we care about the two red ones? According to one, okay, this we're just going simple. Make it easy. Rashy, these two, they don't have marrow. They're without bone marrow. So they're not Yeah, they look like everything else, but they're not. So we're left with 11. All the white ones. So what's the majority of 11? Six. Now, you don't have to have six on each side. As long as you have 12 total broken ribs. You could put all of them on one side, all 11 on one side, and one on the other side. That's 12. You could do six and six. You do it any way you want as long as 12 are broken from all these. What part of the rib? See the rib goes all the way around. So it needs to be the upper part. Great. Let's see inside. Six on the other side. 11 on one side, one on the other side. Here, take a look over here. 11 11 They they break on the upper part. You see there's even a a purple line over there. From that line, let's call it that's the halfway from that line up. That's where it has to break. That where the ribeye is. Oh, okay. Great. We're talking about not the red guys. We're talking about the ones, the large ones that have marrow. says there's a difference between breaking and uprooting detached completely. There's more to get pictures here. Here's here's a here's a cell that's detached. They fit nicely into a ball into a >> socket. It's a ball and socket. And if it pops out, that's worse than breaking because now it has zero support at least. What? So if all you need is six, a total of six on one side is less severe. If they break then you need a total of 12, not six says. No says doesn't matter if they were uprooted popped out completely broken. You need a majority 12 broken or uprooted rav and here we start a beautiful sug. So step one in the sug rav says something very simple one uprooted rib but with the vertebrae. This animal is a goner. Trafe one. Something like this. The whole the whole um vertebrae is gone over here. Okay. So Rav what does Rav say? He says one plus the vertebrae. This is a spine issue. Traa. It's a tra automatically relay. So the two ask Rav, what if you have two necroman from both sides and they're opposing each other? They're they're twins. They're they're they're on the same vertebrae but on both sides the but the you we wouldn't ask you about two because you said one is no good but one with the spine with the whole vertebrae. I'm saying the vertebrae is in place, but two ribs popped out of their sockets. They're gone. What's the mouth? He said to them, "What you're just describing is an animal that's sliced in half. It's an a." So, basically, he said when they're missing when it's missing uh ribs from from uh the pier, we'll call them a pier. What are we going to call them? The two ribs together from both sides. They they meet in the middle. When they're both gone, then think about it. The animal has a bunch of a few inches with no rib and the whole body is going to twist and turn. It's not it's it's not a stable animal. It's a it's a gist. Ask the of it's a beautiful sug when he says that the uh the vertebrae is gone, isn't that a gistra? He says one vertebrae is gone with one rib. But guess what? If there's no vertebrae, then both ribs are worthless. So it's also a gist. His case of one vertebrae missing actually means two ribs are missing as well. Automatically the two ribs don't mean anything. Even even if they're there and they didn't move, they're not there. No. So we're typical classic. We're going to try to wiggle our way out of it until we're stuck. And then we're going to come out with maybe meant that the the rib is missing but the vertebrae is in place. That's impossible. But he says that the vertebrae is missing. So don't try to tell me that the vertebrae is in place. Okay. But what I could try to do is I'll say and that's what I'm going to stay with. That's everybody's happy with that. Rav didn't mean literally that the whole entire vertebrae went went missing. He meant to say that part of the vertebrae is missing here like this. So what does this what what does this help me? This helps me that it's not a gist. It's not an animal split in half. It has some support on the other side. It's it's intact. This part this this part of the is broken. Okay. If that's the case, obviously if they're asking if Raf said that a half a ver vertebrae is missing, a half a vertebrae in one rib is missing, what does Raph say? Trafe gone. So his would never ask him and and what about two? Yeah. If one is no good, so two is also trava that. So what do they ask? Why do they ask two? They saying but the vertebrae is intact. What happens if two ribs are missing and the vertebrae is 100% in good shape? What's that? He told them that that's considered uh a split animal as how could that be? How how could you tell me that if two ribs are missing that's called an animal that's split in half? We just read it and Zach says that if you're talking about this case that they they popped out of place, it's not two that makes it. You need Yeah, you need a lot more. You need at least six missing. Not two or when do you need arrive? When they are lined up nicely, these ribs are missing. You need six missing ribs because they're not on opposite sides. But when you have a pair, that's terrible. Even two is worse than six or worse than five, I should say. Five missing, they're in order. Fine. See, you're missing a bunch of ribs. But when you have two ribs that are opposite each other, they're appear that's a terrible thing. That's that's what Rafanas were talking about. That's a different case. But that's also not a good shot. Says 12 are missing. Listen to this. Let me let me show it to you over here and you'll see how beautiful this is. Says that 12 ribs are missing. Six from each side. Even if you do six from each side, you're going to have one overlapping because it's 11 on each side. If you take six out of 11 on the bottom and six out of 11 on the top, that's he says you need at least 12 broken, one of them is going to be overlapping. So what in the world are Raf Kahana and Raasi adding to the question? Rean says you need 12 ribs missing. So they ask, but what if they're overlapping? What if they're facing each other? Spoke about a case that one is that two are facing each other because there's no other way. It doesn't matter if you put all 11 on the bottom and one on the top. One of them is going to be overlapping. The one on top is going to be overlapping. Very simple. No, the math is beautiful. You need to have six on each side. It's impossible that you don't have a situation where one is against facing the other. So what what was the question that as he had says first of all the words this is pestil and mortar right you go like this you put the so this is the socket and this is the ball and it goes in like that so one case is rev kah were asking when the socket and the ball both broke everything broke which is you should be asking yourself so that makes no sense because that that's what Rav was talking about. We already established Rav the Rebi spoke about one rib broken with a little bit that popped off the vertebrae. So then why would Rafkahan Ravasi ask about a question of two two ribs with a broken or missing vertebrae? That's the Gar's next question. But he he says rebel was talking about that the ribs popped out nicely like this. So that's why you need 12 ravana raasi. We're talking about this case two of them that broke the the the vertebrae. You see there's a piece of vertebrae on the rib. That's what they were asking. So two is worse than 12 because the broken rib broken ask Rav didn't really speak about a a complete bro a missing uh says but it doesn't matter he said even in a situation where part of the vertebrae broke off one one is stra so why are you asking about the same exact case too says they asked that question Because they had no idea. [clears throat] They had no idea. The Raph said that one is one is a problem. Again, what does Raph say? One rib missing, but the vertebrae broke off with it. Trafe. They come along and they ask Rav the Rebi. Uh Rebi, what about two ribs that have a broke? They It broke off a piece of the I already said one is no good when it has a broken vertebrae. So certainly two is no good. The says, "No, they never heard that. He said that." That's what they asked him. Now you have to ask yourself though, time out. If you were a Talmed and you were asking your Rebi a question about a broken a missing rib with a broken vertebrae, would you ask him rebi what's about one or you would jump and say what's about three broken ribs? Which one would you do? >> One. You start off slow. You ask one. So why would they jump the They never heard anything about ribs with broken vertebrae. So they asked him about two. Why don't they ask him about one? It's a lot makes a lot more sense. Rebby, one rib with a broken vertebrae. Is that TRA or not? No, they didn't ask me that. They said rebi two ver two two ribs with two broken. Why would they ask him that? So the garam says we'll say about pet. Listen to this. It's a nice. It's a riddle. It's a riddle. Here's the riddle. You have one question to ask your rebi. The r is very very busy. The whole generation is there. You can just imagine 100 people in line. You can't drive him crazy. You have to ask him one question in out. Think before you ask. Ask the proper question. You want to know all. So if you ask him about one vertebrae that's broken with the with with the uh one vertebrae with a with a rib and he and he answers you it's kosher you'll never know what about two and if he says strafe then you will know he says strafe so certainly two great but what if he says it's kosher and I only have one question it's a riddle it's one of those riddles the guy's in the room and you don't know and he have to ask you have one but if he asks about two then I can figure it out how if he says it's kosher then 1 2 three, four, or they're all kosher. But if he says it's strafe, then I know two is strafe. But how will I know one is strafe? Oh, I will know one is strafe because the way he answers it. If he's annoyed at me and he says two is tra, that means of course one because one is also trave. So what do you ask me about two? So he says it with a little bit of anger in his in his voice. You have to read the body language. It's not just the words that come out of his mouth. You say Rebby is two two ver two two ribs missing with the vertebrae broken off is that kosher not he says it's strafe meaning one is strafe of course two is strafe but that's only if you that's why if you have one question to ask you have to ask about two so asking why don't we why don't he ask a question of Rav's case what's Rav's case one rib one missing vertebrae so they said there's only four more lines to this then we're going to very easy stuff they said we're going to ask one question and we're going to have two answers from that. We would ask what's about one rib missing with a vertebrae missing. He told us this is great for there everything else is but the problem is if he says one rib that's broken off with the vertebrae kosher and there's a big chance he'll say that just also the the the the respect they had for him. >> The it's it's like we're not on his level. We we don't we talk with complete fear. If he says that it's kosher, I won't know what to do with two. And I have to ask another question. I can't do that. But it doesn't make sense what you're saying. They ask him about two. That's great. It's kosher. So one is kosher. Two is certainly if two is kosher, one is certainly kosher. And everything else is kosher. But what happens if he says two is which we know is strafe. I won't know. What about one? Maybe one is kosher, one broken off. You have to read his body language. You have to read his word. How he says it. He would be very mad and he would say, "What are you asking me question about two? What is strafe?" Of course, two is strafe. He wouldn't say it like that. He'd say, "To is strafe." But that didn't work. That trick didn't work. There's no body language. Rav answered, "But what?" No. says, "No, no, no. If you look, if think about what Raph said, he did. He said it. He was annoyed at them. He said, "What you're saying, that's a case of gist." He said it like, "Oh, it's gist." Like, what are you asking me? That's a animal that's broken in half. That's a That's Think about it. That was a little bit of more than he could have said. He didn't say Trafe. He said, "Ah, it's a gist." G. Oh, that means one is one is tra. What are you asking me about two? Two is a animal that's cut in half. Next boys, here we go. If you remember in the B, I can't believe it. It's already 10 days ago. We're still in this perh we're having a lot of fun with this per it says in the mission there's 18 tra there's more than 18 and that's where we introduce the word there's another seven. So now we're going to talk about three out of the seven. And who said that is the one that mentioned the it says or part of it says here's three of them. There's another three strafers that are not mentioned in the Misha necro. If a bri was uprooted from the root like this uprooted or a skull that was bashed in, somebody took a bat, whacked it on the head and most of it 51% of the skull is broken. The is going to describe where what part of the skull is 51%. [snorts] and the the the stomach the bottom part of the animal here just uh here this you see this is the the the is that red that's the meat that that covers let's just for argument sake that's covers it it's the outside meat but it covers the intestines okay so says the gamar >> tra these three are trul if you tell me one rib popped out of its socket It's we had this when you have a dead person in a room it the whole room so what if you have just a skull or just a spine also the spine a whole spine but what if the spine is missing two vertebrae that gives tuma gives red to the entire room a spinal also gives two to but if you have two vertebrae missing there's no in the room one vertebrae missing so who's more makm here is more mak why they say that the tuma the red keeps on spreading and spreading unless you remove a lot if you remove a little just one vertebrae it continues to spread so there will be tuma in this room up until a point where you take two vertebrae out or you started with two vertebrae less I should Here's again says that this we had this remember 10 days ago this applies to tra in other words if you have an animal that's missing one vertebrae you could eat it it's not it's not a it's not a tra if it's missing two vertebrae then it becomes a tra all of a sudden in the case of tush the same bish who are makum they're make by eating cuz you can eat it up until you have two full vertebrae missing a what do you see from here if you don't have vertebrae you don't have a vertebrae you don't have ribs so you need at least one whole vertebrae missing which means two ribs missing according to and according to you I need two vertebrae which is four ribs missing so how you tell me one one rib missing is is is a traa when in fact the minimum is two ribs missing says there's a big difference. We're talking about uh ribs missing without the vertebrae versus a a vertebrae missing without ribs. How's that possible? I could hear that you have ribs missing without a vertebrae. They popped out. How do you have a a vertebrae missing without ribs? If the vertebrae is missing, then the ribs are missing. No bashil, it's at the end of the spine, the end of the spine here like something like this. Once the ribs are they stop the ribs and then you have all these bones right over here, these guys, those are vertebrae without ribs. Now you got why is this not mentioned in the list of things that say it's a what you could eat an animal that's not tra up until more vertebrae. I'm missing. So that's a bigger says, you're right. It is a ka. But this whole this whole of missing vertebrae was said by the tum and that's why over there in that it's you're right. If you flip it, it becomes a ka in the the of but it wasn't said in the of is the one that made the comparison from the of to the of but it was said in the of in therefore it turns out the are the in that case you have a skull that was crushed mostly I don't know what does it mean real quickly means You make a line by the eyes and you measure upwards. 51% of that blue line, the arrow, that's ora means you take a measuring tape and you do the circumference around the entire head. And 51% of that, I don't know if it's the the height or the width so to speak. [snorts] And if you have a cut from that meat on the bottom of the stomach, that's a kuru. So here's a picture. This is a tear, a majority tier in that meat. And here's most of it missing. It went missing. Which one is it? Does it mean missing? 51% missing or 51% tier? Says I could prove it. Now let's go back. Do you remember who's the one that said the chef is the one that says? So let me bring a what you also have to recall from two days ago we had seven what aisimi means and then we know what means we got seven closest to the where the hair started once said the entire whole thing. So one of the wasra it says over here it ripped there's a little puncture in the but the outer one was completely was was torn. It doesn't say that was our question is it removed or torn over here it says torn. Now let me prove to you that's talking about our case. What's it's the entire so the entire what does mean? It's not even referring to the car again. What's caris just when an animal eats it goes into a pouch called a caris the first stomach. The second stomach is basis thirds fourth ca this kis means the entire car. So what's not even referring to the car it's referring to the meat that's on the outside of the car. Oh and that meat it says it to. So what's the removed it's a riot to this that it's this case right over here and not this cuz it says it was torn. Says wait a minute there was seven shot over there. Who said this shot or somebody else? Somebody else. Guess what says his own shot? We're trying to prove one of the chevitzes in the Schmita. Is it a rip or is it missing? Oh, it's a rip because somebody else set up in it means it doesn't fit. doesn't go with trying to to figure out was the one that said a place that doesn't have any wool like like the little lumps over there. Uh we got to do this little and then we'll finish. It says in the Mishna that uh a wolf and a lion brings also a lion but a wolf has venom in its nails some learn it means bacteria some learn literally it has venom in its nails says when it comes to a larger animal talking about let's say a cow so any animal larger than according to most argues but according to a lot of it means what's larger than a wolf a hyena Ina, >> a leopard, >> a beer, >> lion, >> certainly a lion for sure. Even the rush agrees to because that's in the mish. All these have venom. I'm sorry. When it comes to birds, anything larger than a hawk, here's a hawk. So it says, oh, from a wolf and up, it's coming to exclude a cat. It says only a wolf and up. A cat is much smaller than a wolf maybe. No, it means also that a wolf is is capable of inserting venom and inflicting a traa to a larger animal. So in other words and not a cat but not it's not true that a a wolf is in a smaller animal and a larger animal is and a larger not a wolf only a larger predator like a lion is not coming to explain the but he's arguing we have that says review came to explain says so what if he said he that it's coming to explain I hold he's not coming to explain I argue on I say that review comes to argue it's coming to exclude a cat that a cat cannot inflict damage to a sheep and a goat that sort of thing the reason why I mentioned wolf because wolf is famous wolf wolf actually do kill sheep sheep, not so much cats. And I think a cat is also something that can inflict damage to sheep. 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