CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 51 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> The whole thing in Hebrew. The boy said we are holding like 20 lines, 18 lines from the bottom of the noon on the base. But the two dots will be who the I'm a big dollar. So, we know that in the mission it says that if the carrots That's the first part of the stomach. Goes The food goes into the carrots. From there it moves on to the base of to the hemsas and to the caver. If there's a hole that's a mashu in the carrots happening me it's treif. If it's hits on it has to be a tefa. Reba says it depends. If it's the dollar or katana, if it's a large animal or small animal. All my own by some of the other laws are like dollar or dollar mams it doesn't really mean a giant bull like kind of kind of mams and a teeny tiny little sheep a lot kosher nigrum a tefa but they have a rubo If the animal so large that if you tear a tefa We had a maybe it's on the next dub. The point is if the the tear is that large that if it tears a full tefa it's not the right. That means it's stomach is huge. More than two, you know, more than two tefa and wide. Jewish dollar tefa So, therefore that is considered a dollar. It's not a a giant animal. It could be any animal that a tefa is not the right. Rubo will have a tefa. But if you were able you cut there's a tear in the carrots that's a right. That's a majority of the carrots and that doesn't even add up to a That's a very small animal. So, zoo is a Victor and a Ruble. Okay, that's considered Victor. What about Ruble the way I have a Victor? Shito. If you have a Ruble, you have a 51% tier and it's not a full Victor. Who cares? Throughout the Torah, Ruble is what dictates. Ruble 51% like the entire thing. So, who cares if the full Victor? So, the master says an interesting kidish. Let's say that Victor with a masho. Ruble is slightly less than a Victor. So, you're already there. So, now push a little bit more, you'll get to the Victor, the share of the Victor. Mother says about the maker of a Victor they have a treater. So, maybe in that case, interesting, no? It's already a Ruble. You already have 51%. No. But because we have Victor as a as a share and you're already there, you're you're centimeter away from a a Victor. So, no So, maybe it needs to be ripped a little bit more to the Victor. Come on, show me the no in that case, Ruble dictates. You don't need a Victor. All my Ganeva, all my Rabasi. So, I'll give you a mother. All my Ganeva, all my Rabasi. Nigda casela treifa. What if you have a hole in the Yeah, it is. Black. You have a hole in the carrots the size of a sela. So, in other words, it's a round hole. Treifa. Why? She told me that Victor take a look over here. If you stretch a circle, you can get it to be a Victor. All right. I have no idea. All my Rabasi We're still on number base, not on today's daf. The demon fire should be made in Ganeva on my brother in law. I was right there. I was about to cross the the the the the water over there in the hard door and I remember where it was and he told me kissel akshara it's not true. If it's this size, if it looks like it's the size of a seller it's kosher. Yes or make a seller treif it's only when it's a little bit more. Like the gamara is like so magbit over here. The kami yeser look we're going to great detail over here. The kami yeser make a seller what does it mean it's a little bit more than a seller. All my rabbis used to say go going. The island Alaska she also people but docha. I mean it's unbelievable. Two two shiyurim. If there are three date pits but they have a little bit of meat on it then it's hard to get it through. But without without the the meat on it it goes in easy. Here take a look. We're not this one. Uh this one. One The one on the left doesn't have any meat on it. It's clean. So then it goes out this is bedoychack. Okay. So that's more than a seller. When it goes in like that it's more than a seller. Next sugiyo as usual we're flying through sugiyos. Hemse base akoyces. The mission says if there's a hole in the hemse base akoyces there was a beautiful thing that Yoshi did and I unfortunately oy vey. Ugh. I put in the next year. It It It looks like a cow and there's a bunch of things it says base akoyces. It's like a nice looking cow. It's like six slides I threw it into nun gimel. So I forgot to show it but I could show it here. Huh? >> Base. >> No. In nun base. Yeah yeah nun base. Anyways let me just show you meanwhile what base hemse base akoyces. You see these are the two things I was holding in my hand. This is the close up of it with a nail in there. So check this out. Torah machas boy base akoyces. we even had a little bit of the Sugya there's a needle that the the base of cases that's the second part of the stomach and it makes little cut it makes like little balls out of the grass the size of those honeycomb devices. It cases little cups. And then it shoots it back out through the esophagus back to the cow cow's mouth or the sheep's mouth and then it re-chews it. Chews its cud that's why it's called cud like cases I think. Anyway, so this this base of cases has two layers as you can see over here this looks like six but just pretend it's two. So, you find the needle in the base of cases and it punctured one out of the two walls. Where's that guy from Torah anytime? He left already? No, not yet. Okay, I forgot I want to say you thank you to him and his boss and everybody. Okay, I went through and through it's no good here you go take a look at this video a little bit. Oh, so if it stops there kosher. If it went through then it's treif. If you if you find a little bit of blood on the needle then you know that because the animal's not going to bleed after it dies it bleeds before. So, if it has like a stain of blood this must have happened before it died. And then it may what? It is treif. If you don't see any blood in it so this happened after shchita. By the way, this is 50 daf into chulin. It's crazy. 50 daf ago we started. It's because we go slow, one daf at a time, one daf at a time, and it adds up tremendously and very, very quickly. Higlid p'i amuka. If the wound already has, how do you say higlid in English? Scab? You have a scab on the wound, b'i d'uach sh'ish l'shishi yomim kodem shchita. How do you have a scab? It takes time for it to scab up. Then you should know that this happened three days before the shchita. So again, you open up the base hakoishes. You find a needle. You find a scab. You know that this happened before you bought it. So if it happened before you bought it, it's a mekach to'us, get your money back. In other words, you see from here an interesting idea that if you purchase like you purchase a car, and the owner of the car that sold it to you, he had no clue that there was something wrong in the engine, whatever. You go to the the guy, the mechanic, and the mechanic tells you this this is a this was there a month ago. I said, "But I didn't know. I sold it to you when I didn't know. And you didn't know, so it's your problem." No. If the the problem is pre-existing, it's a mekach to'us, you get your money back. L'higlid p'i amuka, but there was if there's no scab on it, then the buyer has to prove when it happened. Since he can't really prove it, he's stuck with the treif animal. As the Gemara meishiv mikol hakulam d'alma, how come we have all these different nikuvim, little holes in different organs, in the intestine, this, and it's all treif, and there's no there's no needle. D'avka d'leika dam, tohor u'mutar. There's no no no blood, and it's treif. How come by a needle you need blood? Hocham like a midah d'misrach, there's nothing for the blood to catch onto. When you have a a piece of metal, then you have good reason to ask the question, why is there no blood on this? And if there is blood, that's your indication. Hocham k'ivan d'gamrach eizeh d'kodem shchita, mizrach av asorach. If this if this wound occurred before the shita, it would have had some blood on it. You should know there's a big time that came from all my and even said his name is Avira. According to some opinions in the if you read it the way it is, comes out that Avira is hundreds of years old. Why? Because he's going to say a story. A story happened in front of Rebbe. Now, Rebbe was a Tanna. From the last he wrote the Mishna. is an Amora. Like the fourth generation Amora. So how did how did Avira see a buy and talk to a buy? Must have been very old. What's the story? or trouble. There is a needle that was found in the base of literally this picture. And Rebbe said it's treif even though it didn't go through and through. And the brice says that it's kosher because it went through one wall not both, kosher. So we got a big problem here. Rebbe says that it's treif. I buy couldn't believe his ears. I buy knows the brice. I buy knows that this is kosher. How in the world could Avira say that it's treif? So he says, I want to meet you. Tell me the story. No I 5 to 1. No way I'm not coming. What's the you know what? I got to figure this out. This is tired. This doesn't make any sense. I'm going to go to you. So he goes to him. Avira is on the roof. All my I really came I made the whole trip here. Neighbors Marvin S. I want you to come down and tell me what happened. Learn office. Not very nice. He didn't come down. So the cool guy so he went up there. Omar so tell me what happened. Omar after he can see us I know lay me ready rabba. So over here he says Rabbi rabba. He doesn't say Rabbi. He says Rabbi rabba. Rabbi he says Rabbi rabba means Rabbi it's talking about Rabbi. Others say no. It's not it can't be Rabbi. Rabbi and the fact is it doesn't say Rabbi throughout it says Rabbi. Because Rabbi rabba Rabbi rabba means a great rabba a big dar but not Rabbi that we know. Okay so that's where I worked over there. I was the guy getting people in and out. Rabbi Yossi Rabbi had these two sitting from the Rabbi. Both of them Rabbi the story came to Rabbi. This where you have the the the needle in the only through one of the membranes. Rabbi and Rabbi turns it over. First he sees the needle inside okay then he looks on the outside exactly where that needle is sticking. If on the other side of it when you look it's nice and smooth. There's no exit wound. But there was there's a bunch of blood. Where did the blood come from? This is a this is a animal and if when if you had the and I recommend if you want to go to and wherever you are around the world go to the area. It's an amazing thing. Maybe don't go for the part. You don't need the part. But go for the rest of it how they open it up and bring nose plugs. So Everything is sterile. Everything is perfect. It just everything fits in there. There's no blood squishing around. Everything is in pipes. The blood goes around and then it's clean. Everything is clean. So, how did I find blood on the other side of the vesica crisis? We saw the vesica crisis. It's clean. It's just vesica crisis happens to this cave. There's no blood over there. If you see a stain of blood on the other side where the needle was in the inside, obviously the needle poked through once upon a time, went back, and it healed up, and now you have but there's blood. That's a perfect indication >> [clears throat] >> that there was a exit wound. Says Rebbe, that's why it's treif. What are you crazy? You made me come all the way here and climb up all these stairs to hear this? I don't need that. This is obvious. It must be that's in the Mishnah. It says if there's a It says if there's a puncture wound through and through in the vesica crisis or the hamstrings, then it's treif. And it's obvious there's a puncture wound through and through. I thought you come to my city, you tell me Rebbe said that if there's a needle in one of the membranes and not in two, it's treif. I couldn't believe it. I know the brice says it's kosher. You you just added something. It's a minor detail. It's just a little a little minor detail. There's blood on the other side. Why didn't you say that in the beginning with? If I If you had said blood, you would have saved me this whole thing. All right, Rebbe said enough with the talk. If an animal falls off a roof, it's called an affula. We're concerned that its limbs are broken, something inside is ruptured. You put your animal, you have a goat, you put it on top of a roof, and you come back and you find it on the bottom. How did it get there? It fell off the roof. It's it's not a problem. Nothing is Nothing is fish matter in there. I will guide you. Oh, my sir. There's a story with the goat. I will guide you. The heavenly He saw Really got I was like couldn't hold himself back. He's on the roof and he looks through the skylight and he sees like barley. No family girl so he jumped off and he falls to the ground and he's laying there on the ground and they they decide okay, it's a good time to to shock them because otherwise, you know, the guy he might not survive. As the community of Russia So the community of Russia only Here we even have a little bit of video of how this happened. It's like not a hot The skylight is a little off over there but >> [snorts] >> All right. So you had a you had an issue getting up cuz had it gotten up it's it's my doing this video cuz if you would have got up, that's a riot that is not on a fool. There's no reason to give you sitting on the ground like that. So it's interesting. Why? Because he didn't fall. He jumped. Is jumping different than falling? As the community of Russia only this time we saw we said that if you if you leave an animal on a roof and you come back and he's on the bottom, we're not concerned. That's because an animal if you ever watch to see look at a cat jumping off like a high fence. So puts his paws down on the wall and you know, slowly then then it jump. Over here, it jumped through the skylight. There's nothing for it to catch on. If it's using the wall as some sort of a brace slash it slows down the the fall. Okay, but over here the high Leslie meeting the mission over here there's nothing for it to catch on. It was a complete fall. I deal more on the other hand you can say machine down the natural an animal is good at at at at checking distance on my way machine down the natural by none down the natural no animal has the ability to gauge distance and don't worry about it. It jumped off the roof and knows what it's doing. It's not a treif. There was a sheep. Now if you were to see a sheep dragging its rear legs just the front work the back don't work. What is that what is that indicate to you? Huh? No, two two oh spinal cord injury. That's the first thing that I that I cuz I've seen a few videos of even human beings they they got people they got shot for instance they start crawling on their hands and the legs are just like they don't do much. That's what's going on over here. This animal is dragging it's just using its front the two back legs are not working. So is it treif? I should grow you an actor. You know it has a bad um what do they call when you're swimming and it has you have that attack cramp a muscle cramp muscle cramp on both legs doesn't want to use its back legs. Doesn't know what? >> Actually says cramp. >> Yeah, I love it. Kirampa I have it here cramp I have it underlined even. So it has a cramp. So says the Gamara muscular Rabino de la shidra if sick. I'm no I'm no doctor but I think maybe it's worse than just a cramp. It it might it might have a severed spinal cord. But who asked who could have been on the actually opened it up and they saw that Rabino is right. Spinal the the problem with the spinal cord. So the we're not concerned about a spinal cord injury. We think it's a cramp because it's much more common. We're going to see maybe tomorrow even that we we're When it comes to treifas, we're very into what's what's a rov, what's shchiach, what's It's not so common to have a injury. Over a minute. If you go to any Israeli you know exactly what I'm talking about. >> [laughter] >> Two males beating each other up. And one gets thrown to the ground. I mean, this guy that fell off the 6,000-ft cliff is a little bit of a risk. Maybe some of his got marusak. But we're talking about just, you know, in the in the ring and he falls down and it's not a big deal. I've a guy that been through with guy me. He's screaming in pain. He's crying. It's a little hot in here. It's a little but it's too it's the heat that's causing it. Yeah. Enough of the heat. But he falls to the ground. These these the sheep that they steal sheep. What do they do here in Israel? They do this it's nice and quiet up north. They constantly stealing cows and sheep. They you jump into a pen and you take the sheep you throw them over the fence and then you you you yourself jump over the fence you take them home. But when you throw them over the fence, they might have a risk of injury. They just they they fell from from more than 10 ft. It's not a problem. My time is up. When you throw them it's not you throw them on their on their stomach like because you want them to be able to you don't want to schlepp a sheep all the way home. You want them to walk. So, therefore, you make sure that he falls correctly. Hadrino, but if you you put him back, you see the cops coming, so you throw back into the pen, vali hashinan, then you have to be concerned that you just threw it you tossed it on its head. The hadi me the hadrino machmas here, that's because you saw the police coming. I've a machmas tshu if a person wants to do tshu and he put it back into the pen, tshu now is the other the other obviously doesn't want to ruin the animal, he's trying to do tshu here, so he puts him back on its feet. I'm already done with that. He got roisha, I said on feet, but it could be it means on its stomach versus on its back. We're not going to get into it. I'm already done with that. He got roisha the whole clappy nervous, so for this we have a picture because it's hard to understand on shot. If you if you hit an animal all this, I asked you to show me to do our Shabbos mom and hour before shabbos here. So, if you hit an animal with a with a whip, but it hits its entire length of the body, we're not concerned that you you you broke some of its bones. Or as not all clappy roisha, it's a whip, so if first it hits the head and then it eventually hits the but it's one motion and it takes every part of the body the length of the body takes part of the whip of the power of the whip of the the force of the whip, so it didn't break any bones. Can I get call us either cooler? As not all clappy roisha, if you start from the back and you get to the head, can I call us either cooler if it's entire spine and should we should we evolve and it's not a problem. We show them all the government officials and if it's a smaller whip and it only hit half the body, we are concerned it's like in a fool like you broke its bones. We is my kitchen hashinan, [snorts] beautiful, look at this picture. If it if the whip is more like a stick and it has a bunch of knots in it, so now different parts of the the stick hit different parts of the animal, it's not even. You're not evening out the entire power of the the force of the stick, so now you have to be cautious for reason give arm. We is my kitchen hashinan we suck is hashinan if you hit it on the width of the animal not on the length, also you have to be concerned that you broke some of its bones. An animal that's born goes through a lot of trauma. You can ask my kids. My My daughter tells me how much trauma childbirth is. And then you have to work a whole lifetime to get the It's all nourishkeit. Healing or whatever. I got The actual childbirth is painful for the animal, and maybe it broke some of its bones. Maybe you should be concerned it broke its bones. You don't have to worry about The time of the ziva that comes from the base. Ziva is a certain liquid that comes out of the body that's comes from It's like a disease. And if it comes because you have a good reason why it came, you traveled, you're sick, then that's not ziva. Ziva means it comes for because of the ziva. Now, if a 1-day-old could be tame with ziva, what does that tell us? That it doesn't have risky bones because it has a very good excuse. It just went through all this trauma, so to speak. Childbirth. So, that's why it has ziva. And that kind of ziva is not a ziva. It shouldn't make him tame. That's come from your from the flesh and not because of some sort of side reason. Childbirth should be a real side reason. Hello, my childbirth is not a big deal. No, not a raya. Cuz maybe this this 1-day-old that has ziva is because he's born with a C-section. Okay. So, this is just a build-up to the to the to the checkmate to the to the end of the sugya. Toshma, another one, another raya. Egel sh'nolad b'yom tov shechito nicea b'yom tov. A calf that was born on yom tov, you could shecht it that day. Now, if it's in a full law, if it has risky bones, you shouldn't be able to to shecht it that day. Why? So, a bones, you have to wait least 24 hours. How can you shock it day? Another problem is this is just a pun, new you should say. Nylod, if it's born on in Nylod is it but it's not Nylod. Why? Because it's it's ready to be eaten. Even before you enter this ready to be eaten through its mother, you can shock its mother. So so once again I'm going to answer that the reason why you could eat it and shock it right away is because it doesn't have risky of arm because it was born through a C-section. Again, we want to prove is childbirth something that will cause Look, in fact, we we spoke about it the skull folds. That's why you have the soft spot. How many soft spots are there on a skull? Anybody know? Doctor, how many soft spots? Very good. You listen to the sheer. >> [laughter] >> It has a baby has two. Everybody's familiar with the one the same exact one same side. You have to be very careful on the back. Why? Because otherwise it wouldn't be able to be born. That's like kind of squeeze fold. So isn't that like a risky of arm kind of thing? Again, we're holding like six lines from the top. We're holding like six lines from the top. We're holding like six lines from the top. We're holding We're talking about a book heart. Now in the time of the first born, you bring it to the base of the first born and you shock that you eat it. In our days you give the first born to the coin. How could he eat it? There's no there's no numbers bear. So you wait until it falls a moon. How convenient it was born with a moon beautiful. Now you can get to eat it. You you allowed to eat it right then and there. So how do you how can you eat it that day? It has risky of arm. So you see from here that there's no risky of arm from childbirth. How can I see you also there but this is where they might want to go to. Over here you can't answer that this this animal was born with a C-section. Why? You can't say that. There are many colleges that it wouldn't be a book heart. A book heart is only natural birth, not not from a C-section. It wouldn't have kedusha. So says him, "Well, you're right. The reason I'm allowed to eat it off my skin actually if it's like I got to be careful. It tried to stand up and then may Allah that's why it proves typically you have reason to be afraid from childbirth. But if you're able to prove that you don't have to you don't have reason to be afraid, how? By trying to stand up, then you don't have reason to be afraid. But childbirth might yes cause reason to be afraid. I don't know. They would take an animal and put him on like a table or something and then push him off so they falls on his back and then you can check them. You can't check an animal that's standing up and it's very dangerous. That's not considered reason to be afraid. A wild bull that fell was a bull that fell. We saw him groaning and screaming. All right, we talked about it. We shook him and shook him. He bought the best of the best meat to show that's not a treif. We also had him also in a different daf like 20 days ago that he bought the best of the best meat. I don't know in the halacha how do you know this? As he's falling off the table, he knows how to balance himself that he doesn't get banged up and he uses his his digs his his nails into the table and he's fine. If an animal stands up, you don't even have to wait 24 hours. You let it shake it, but afterwards you have to check the the spine, the the the ribs, make sure that it doesn't have anything broken. But if it walks, you don't need a bedikah. You do need a bedikah. If it just stuck its head out, wanted to stand or showed that it wanted to walk or showed that it wanted to walk So that's considered like walking. They have kids they worry they went home. Here we go. So if it just shook itself up to stand up, even though it didn't stand, they take this this line out because it's just the post of later generations not part of the Amora'im, but we'll say it anyway. The if an animal falls off a roof not knowing So that's a real cuz it didn't have I'm not didn't like see how far it's falling. The I'm not with the iron the first I'm not with the olive. The I'm not and it stood up the whole car and didn't walk. You need a check it to make sure that it's fine didn't break it's ribs, but you don't have to wait 24 hours. If it didn't walk I feel I'm not really sure. Fine, we'll stop over here. Have a wonderful week, a wonderful day. We're coming. Have a good one. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a share today. mdy.sponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.