CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 34 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. [screaming] All right, here we go. We are holding like 10 lines from the bottom of to remind what's going on over here. We're talking about people's hands. instituted a special tuma on on the hands different than the whole body just the hands the hands have when we look at the chart of toma there's a the highest there's a there's sheni the hands are somewhere in the middle very weak it's a weak weak to all the hands can do is that if it touches certain foods that are very very susceptible to tuma that have a very high sensitivity to tuma Then it will become tummy. It'll make them aishi. A sheni can make something aishi. Could a shady make a sheni? We'll see. It's possible according to a certain mandar in a certain situation. Well, actually not. A sheni could make a sheni according to everybody in a certain way. So the problem that we had and we were dealing with yesterday and that's all we're going to be dealing with today is if your hands are a sheni why does it seem from the Mishna the Mishna says yesterday we shed an animal and there's blood squirting everywhere he came with a special bucket or we did I don't know they put a bunch of clothing in there and they but there was blood like not the mission says if there's zero blood then the meat meat is not susceptible to toma. So if you touch it with your dirty, disgusting, shady hands, nothing happened to the meat. Why? Because they didn't get any liquids. And if they didn't have any liquids, they're not susceptible to tuma. And what if they did have liquids? What if it did bleed? Like our animal yesterday, it bled. So if you touched it with your shiny hands, it would become tummy. How in the world? How does a sheny make something tame? Asked the gar. What's the So the Gar is going to introduce to us a new thing. Now that's what's interesting about these sugas. They're not difficult, but they're brand new to us. Things that we never heard about in our life. Here there's a person who is wearing jeans and gym shoes and he's a all he is is a cucumber but he pretends to be like a cayenne he he he tries really hard to keep the of truma on uneven fruit. He says this, which I personally took from my house, looks like it's on its way out, spoiling. It's probably sat in my house for four months in the sun. He takes this and he says, I'm treating this like truma. I don't have to. This is hooland. This is from the, you know, nobody gave it to me. It wasn't mu. Nobody separated as a truma and micer. This I bought in the store. It's regular koolin. It's very mundane. Anybody could eat it. Israel could eat it. But I want to treat this as truma. Why? Because I'm a cyan and I as a cayenne I'm I want everything in my house to be treated on the same level. I don't want any any problems. I don't want anybody eating by mistake. One day my friend is going to give me a grapefruit, a truma grapefruit. I'm going to put it in the fridge. My wife is going to eat it. So I got to treat this with respect as truma. No tuma. Be careful. Don't touch this. Don't do anything with this. There's a guy that takes it up another level. He treats meat as kachum as if they just came off the misbeh as if they just came from the b mikdash. It does. Every meat, all the meats in his free freezer, all the stuff in his refrigerator, all the Benny's meat, all the empire meat, all meat kach again, he's wearing jeans. He's trying to be kaidesh, but but he's hoolen. He He really is jeans. He really is regular mundane meat, but he's pretend he's pretending. He's watching it with the of Oh. So basically we're talking about these two things but more so this guy today we're going to be talking about him. It's a guy who is protecting his meat ales. So our Mishna I should have brought a piece of meat. That's what I really should have done. But our mission is talking about this guy right over here. This is what we're talking about. He [snorts] is pretending on that it's kaidesh and therefore that explains the problem. What was the problem? If you have a sheny hand, what could a shiny hand? It only has sheny tuma. A sheny tuma cannot make regular. And we're talking we proved we proved that our whole mission is how do we prove it? Because it says in the Mishna there's there's there's wild beast antelope deer. There's no antelope and deer. That's in the Mishna antelope and deer. But there's no antelope and deer in the mdash. So it can't be kachum. It must be regular venison that you buy in the store that you get in fancy restaurants. Dear soar comes up says we're talking about but we're talking about a guy that's very mbid on he treats the like it's meat from the mdash and if you take your shiny hand and you touch it are going to tell you that it becomes aishi. It actually does have an effect on this meat because you took it upon yourself not because in reality it's like that now for meni and if you want to enjoy it also I know likes this I'm just going to throw this out here for him the whole today we're talking about there's one that says that if you that nothing happens that if you treat something there's zero tuma I don't care that you treat entire in fact if you treat it aluma then it will make a difference but to treat it so extreme it's nothing I don't care about that this is there's no such thing as a person treating it like like a like a like a carbon there's many people shenberg included who you go to his house he treats all his fruit with alarum cuz he knows be some Donnie also. I'm sure I didn't ask him but uh I'm assuming >> of course >> of course he says you see I know I know my men this yes this not that's that's the here that that if you try to do something you got nothing but then you have three shittas that we're going to go see two of them today I think and it goes it goes in levels from worst to best. Well, or from best to worst. You see it's greenishi. They don't make a rivi. They not make they becomeishi. If you treat your food with takishi and then you have somebody says no no no it has the ability to give off tum. It's so severe that it has the ability to give off tum. And then there's somebody that says that if you touch this fruit with your sheny hands, this fruit will become a sheni, meaning it could make something else ai. So you have all the way in the bottom, your second hand makes this this meat a sheny my second my sheny hand makes this a second a sheny. And then going to explain how in the world could usually you drop a level. No, it's so strong. It's so severe when I say that my fruit should be treated like kachim that if my second touches this fruit this this meat this meat becomes a sheni to the to the point that it can make something else aishi and somebody says no no no no no ai drops down toi and what does this do aishi it can make something else a ravi and then the other the the the the guy second from top the time ravi meaning this becomes a that's it. It doesn't move. It becomes puzzle but it doesn't it doesn't uh give over to something else. Wow. 27 minutes into this year. We're talking about this piece of meat, not this. We're talking about a guy that's super mocked on his meat that it should be like it's one. He bought it in the store. He didn't get it from the B md. He pretends that he got it from the B mikdash and he's very careful not to touch it like you don't touch things from the B mikdash what his shiny hands everybody together his shiny hands when they touch this this becomes a >> like Yeshua it doesn't go like the and we're going to see on that there's a says it does go like why it doesn't go likew there's something called your body you're the tomb of your body so if you eat the first sheet is very very simple you are what you eat you ever heard of such a expression >> so if you eat a reshine you become a >> reshine because you are what you eat and if you eat a sheny >> shiny you eat ai So even though some of you don't haveudas and this could be one of the most confusing sentences in chass you could read it could be a mess but it goes like this if you eat something that is on the level of what you do what do you become your body becomes a rish if you eat something that's a sheni your body becomes a sheni and if you eat something that's aishi body becomes Yeshua says and the Gar is going to rip him apart soon. You're right. If you eat something, you drop down a level. So if you eat a risha, you become a sheny. But he says, but also if you eat a sheny, you become a sheny. Huh? Does that make sense? Or boy say, what should happen? If you eat a sheni, you should become a >> but he doesn't say that. He says sheni. But here's even more confusing. He says if you eat aishi, what happens if you eat a shley? What do you become? >> A ravi. If you eat aishi, you should become a ravi. But he doesn't say that. He says if you eat a shley, you become a sheni. You go up. If you eat a rishine, again, if you eat a rishine, you draft a sheni. If you eat a sheni, you stay on the same level. If you go up a level, what is going on here? And he says that you don't become when it referring to Truma, if you touch Truma, it it doesn't become. And what are we talking about? What is the case? And he says, Mafurish, listen to this, and this is super important. Let's go back just one second before we read this line. We just established that our mission is talking about a guy who's keeping Tyus and he says Al Tarus Truma very different this guy we're talking about a guy who keeps the of Truma on all his food which would I can infer simple that you do not it's not talking about This case it's only talking about Truma. This case wouldn't work. This is zero. If a person accepts upon himself to keep it wouldn't do anything says only a person who who is very on his food like Truma in it doesn't work onesh what it can't our mission can't go like we just established our mission is and he just said it's talking So it doesn't go according to why he holds that when you do it this guy it's zero. It doesn't your your shiny hand will not create ai. Ask the gor simple question. Why do you have to say that our mission is not like rishua? say that it's Rab Yeshua. Who told you that the Mish is talking about a guy who's super mak on his fruit on his meat that it should be kachum? Maybe he's talking about a person that's super mak that his fruit should be trum and therefore if I with my second hand my hands are seconds they're shiny. I touch my fruit in my refrigerator this will become even according to so I could say that the mission is talking about according to also according to say it goes like and he's only says no no no that didn't even occur to me why the mission is talking about meat no blood we're talking about meatuma what's truma is only on your produce on fruits and vegetables. That's it. It doesn't doesn't happen to meat. It can't be a guy who's he says. So, so what you're so happy that the mission is talking about but then you have another problem. But there are no deer in the mdash. So why in the world would a person be mb on a deer and say that it's super sensitive like like like meat that came off the misb but there is no deer in the msb says you're right there's no deer in the msbah but I have to be careful in my house for all meats my wife when she goes and grabs a piece of steak out of the freezer sometimes she grabs the the the deer steak instead of the buffalo steak she doesn't see the difference they look the same if it's not packaged Well, and doesn't say exactly what it is in the freezer can get mixed up in the refrigerator can get mixed up. So or whoever these people are usually they're onesh on even the even the deer meat and that's why even though it says in the it fits right in there are people who makid that all their meats should be I'm going to watch them and and and and treat them as even on meat that doesn't apply to because me and me could get confused But to say to say that our mission is talking about instead of truma when people don't people that are mak that are makid to treat their fruits their produce withda [clears throat] they don't confuse that with meat you don't confuse meat and a and a pickle you confuse me and meat you confuse venison and then beef but you don't confuse a pickle with beef. So he holds arm is only talking about fruits not meat. So okay says my friend like we just said our mission is talking about this case guy who's on his meat then it should be your hands are your hands touch that meat in the refrigerator the me becomes my friend sayishua like we just established it can't be because says he's talking about that he's mak on it like Truma, not like but you should know I I hold that the Mishna goes like ah wait a minute we have a major problem. What do you mean I hold that goes? We're saying that it's we established that the Mishna is talking about says we're talking about and we said oh it means notes. No you didn't understand him. He said even a person who cares about Truma but certainly a guy who cares about it like Kaidesh Kachum is much more sensitive than Truma. So if I say this Truma guy so certainly this not this and not this. He's not excluding Kaidesh. He's saying even Truma but certainly Kaidesh. That's another way to look at it. Yeah. certainly if a guy accepts upon himself to treat everything like like then that if you touch it with your second shiny hands then it becomes my is when I said truma I didn't mean only truma I said even true we're going to have this will be a freebie now says something super interesting I want to figure out Who's this this friend of his? Who's the friend? We're going to prove that's how could I prove it. It's like a complicated uh to prove who the friend is. It goes to the B of literally but it's to understand the the the behind the scenes what was going on between the two of them they were arguing again to remind says that if I eat it's it's a bad if I eat a one I become a one it's what what you are what you eat so I eat a sheni sheni I become a sheni says is it's impossible to understand like even to remember what he says. He says if you eat a risha and you draft a sheni if you eat a shi you remain a sheni. If you eat ai you pop up to a sheni. What in the world is going on here? So he tells him, I you could find in the Tory and we had this a few times in the last few days that a person that the food the the person eating the food is worse than the food itself. The tuma of his body is more sensitive than the tum of that comes off of food. Where do you where do you see this? By a bird. Why? A bird. If you touch a bird, nothing. But if you eat the bird, you consume the bird, it goes into your body. >> The aa we're talking about a kosher bird that's an aa. You touch an aa, usually this is tum. Now you touch a dead cow, a dead sheep that wasn't, you get tuma. But you touch a dead kosher bird, you don't get any tuma. But if you consume it, you eat it, then you get to. So you see that the person that eats it is more susceptible to than the food itself the guy eating is more than the than the food what if you eat a you should at least be a it should you consuming it your body should be it if you touch a bird from the outside a dead available bird from the outside you don't become tummy and if somebody shoves it in your mouth. He didn't even touch it becomes so severe the it even makes your clothes tummy. So at least if if you if you eat a rish you should for sure be a reshine Yeshua says and I understand completely like I'm reading how could you learn from a of a bird that a lot of us just a few days ago didn't even know this existed that if you touch a dead bird you don't become only if you put it in the back of your mouth that's a big it's one it's a one time thing in But what? Yes, I could prove to you. No, no, no. The opposite. The food is worse than the guy that eats it. Food is more. How do I see that? That a piece of this fruit, how big does this fruit have to be in order to receive tum from a dead rat? One egg. One b. Yet a person eating tuma only becomes tame after he eats two eggs. So ma what what do you see that the person eating is less susceptible than food itself. Food itself is one the person eating it is two you have to eat at least half a shear of of the food becoming tom is one egg. The shear of you becoming tame by eating is two eggs. You see that a person is less susceptible than the actual food. if a person is less susceptible to food. So what happens what he says if you eat ashine what happens you drop down you your body drops down a level because your body is less than the food. So if you eat food that's a one your body becomes a two because you become less. So what's the problem with that? The problem with that is two problem. Then what happens when you eat a second? When you eat a what should happen according to this you should wrap down to become so why in the world did you remain a says you can't bring any proof from how many eggs you have to eat in order to become and how many eggs because there's different shirum have different things they there's different reasons behind the shirum it's nothing to do with how tummy they are and how not tummy they are it's how much fits in your mouth etc but It's not a it's not a it's not a the point is not how much tuma it gives off. So don't make me here's one egg here's two eggs I don't understand you when you said that it should drop down according to your why should it drop down because a person eating it his body has less susceptibility to tuma. So when you eat a one, you turn into a two. That makes so much sense. But sheny sheny lama. If you eat a a sheni, your body should drop down to ai. So why in the world do you say that if you eat a sheny, you remain a sheny? All of a sudden you are what you eat. Check this out. This is mish. Beautiful. I have water over here and I have two fruits. Let's say this fruit is a shiny fruit. This is a shiny fruit. If this shiny fruit touches this fruit, if this is clutching, let's say, this would become a check this out. If I pour water on this like this, so we'll just have the water here. The water is on this fruit. This water becomes a reshine. You hear what's going on here? It climbs up one madrega here. This water becomes a rish. So now I have rishan water. How did this water become rish? Because it touched the sheni and it goes up goes up to. So now I take this fruit and I touch this water. What happens to it? becomes a sheny. So I have a I have a way that a sheny makes a sheni and that's why I say that a sheny becomes a sheny. You hear what's going on here? You're asking me how does a sheny make a sheni? It's a drop down. Yeah, but I have something >> I have a bridge that I can make a shady into sheni through touching water. Oh, so the question is so so let's just read this. So this we saw this shady fruit can make this fruit a sheny. So that's why I say that a shady becomes a shady. Wait a minute. You're making the person who touches it, you're making you're making it a sheni. You're making this you're saying that if a person touches with the sheny hands, the fruit should become a sheni. But guess what? The bridge in between. You forgot about the bridge in between. Let's remove this fruit for a second. There's a rish here. So maybe if I touch this fruit, the fruit should become a rishine. Why do you say it should become a sheni? You're saying oh if there's another step the fruit that touches the water it becomes a sheni but even before that it becomes a so make it even worse say if a guy with a shady hands touches something it should become a not a sheni the water becomes anything that's a sheny that that makes a truma ple it makes the the water become becomes the the the liquid becomes a besides yeah do I need to show this again is a person who's touched to he goes to the mikvah and the day that he goes to the mikvah he becomes quazar he's in between if he touches truma the truma will become possible >> but if he touches this water it won't become possible He's a young besides a young that touches this he touches a becomes a he has to go to mikvah goes to mikvah but he's not tah until nightfall so in between mikvah nightfall what is he he's in full he's in between status is new for today is it full yim waits there till he's purple. He's not he's not a red t and then when it becomes night he becomes green becomes t. So even if a if a touches this water it doesn't become it doesn't make the the water reach right I'm asking and here's the bigger problem what did what did say that a person withishi hands I'm sorry not a person withishi hands if you eat a sheni you become aishi sheny llama how does it go how I'm sorry if you eat a shleyishi you become How's it possible that you go up in tells him? He says, I was only talking about the person who keeps this guy right over here. I'm sorry, wrong one. So now we're going back to this. A guy who's keeping Tyras Truma. He only keeps Tyrus Trumo. Yeah, this guy only somebody that does this, not this. Only a person who keeps get this out of the way. Not to confuse. Okay. That what when did I say that jumps up to a when a person is watching all his fruit in his house on the highest levels of truma. not cut notes only. Why is that? And I'm going to give you the the reasoning. I'm going to treat because when it comes to I'm going to treat even if you watch yourself, you were very very careful and treated it like Truma because I'm a big tadic. I'm treating my fruit like Truma. Guess what? But when it comes to Kachim, it's a zero. I'm going to treat it like maishi your I'm going to treat it so bad that it's going to go up to so if we go through the whole si again just we're wrapping this is it right here it's it's the end of this then from here it's easy just to wrap it up what does hold this guy we had we had a shila are we talking about he he mentioned Truma that he keeps Truma And certainly this that was once smart. No, no, no, no. Ribishu says mafurish. Now I'm talking about this and this only he keeps truma and he doesn't keep kesh. And in fact if he keeps truma we're going to treat it when it comes to kachin we're going to treat him like a like a nothing like he's tummy. It's tummy. If you have three a third hand you're going to become a shiny head. So Rubish can't go like our Mishna. We said our say is talking about what this guy he says no no no I don't hold like tar I hold so now I know who it is it's that said this wholeik back the whole back and forth between and finally says his reason and he says in the beginning when I said I meant it I I it's that's it so who said Oh, so now we're going back to this list. Yeah, [clears throat] let's see where he fits in on this list. If a person eats a a third number three in very very weak to of But he treated it with all like like it's like it's a carbon his body becomes a shiny what he makes. His body if he eats ai his body be goes up a level. So he asks a question. If you eat ai, if you eat a consumeishi, you go up to and what is it talking about? He's only talking about when a person accept himself. Sorry. Only truma in. It's this side, my left, your right. Not the kesh. It's the truma. How did you just tell me? So this is the ter we had when I said it means even truma. Truma is a lesser than kaidesh. Kesh is much more sensitive. It's not only truma. It's even truma. The two of them. It doesn't matter which one. But even Truma the Truma is the much lesser one the much it's less susceptible to to of course the Kesh you treat it like a carbon which is the highest level besides paradum so says the garra or I don't maybe that was wrong with what I just said but you know what I'm talking in terms of susceptibility to to but says wait a minute that's a great but he says before only Truma says, "Who said he said it?" One man says that he said it like that. The other man says he didn't say those words. We could continue for a minute. No, let's just continue one minute. If a person eats a third level of a third level of he treated it with respect of truma. So his body becomes aishi but it cannot continue on. His body is not allowed to eat truma but it doesn't give off tuma anymore. It becomes puzle. Ple means it stops right there. Michael what's we learned. If a person eats a shishi he eats a shishi. He becomes you don't go down a level to truma and it's talking about when he respected it like it seems like his body does become possible he's not allowed to eat anymore truma what does it mean his body becomes possible he's not allowed to eat truma so it says so what is doesn't it say this says no it's not it's not 100% doesn't say a force that you become I would say he's not I just want to point out something [snorts] went smooth like anything. You smack like anything for 30 days straight. 30 days straight. Every is going to have a daf here and there that you don't appreciate, you don't understand, you don't like that's just and we go. It's not it's not a time to get discouraged there. Oh. So why did he say sheni it's not means only no no both sheni that you don't become so why do why did he just use the word sheni I don't because it it it works well in the words since he used the word cheny when it comes to kesh I'm not having any chen I would think that butishi also know that he does become you your body becomes in other words you're not allowed to eat anymore a boy side have a wonderful day [music] >> merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world sponsor a shir today mdysponsor.com [music] or sponsor at mdy.com