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>> Good morning, Rabbosai.
Omar Rabba
Okay.
So, there are two alachas that are new
to us when it comes to parah adumah. One
we learned, one we didn't know about.
Here's alacha number two.
Alacha number one is that as you are
shechting the parah adumah,
you cannot do any other
melacha. You can't do anything else
besides shechting the parah adumah.
You can't cut another watermelon at the
same time.
Can't be oisek with anything. You can't
text message anyone.
>> [snorts]
>> You got to be concentrated on that one
task.
The other alacha is vishochat oisah
that you can only shecht
one parah adumah at the same time. You
cannot shecht anything else with it.
Can't shecht two parah adumahs. You
can't shecht a parah adumah and another
animal.
Therefore,
Omar Rabba, shochat parah, if he's
shechting a parah adumah vishochat
beheima acheres imah and at the same
time he's trying to save time.
By him trying to save time, he lost $3
million.
Vishochat beheima acheres imah the
divrei hakol pesulah.
Everybody will agree that the parah
adumah is possul because it says
vishochat oisah. Oisah means only it and
nothing else.
What about the other animal?
The other animal is kosher. There's no
reason why the other animal should be
kosher.
Shouldn't be kosher. It's kosher.
Top of lamed beis, amud aleph, leiv.
Nishchat beheima acheres imah. Now, you
have to put in with the pencil.
If you shechted another animal without
intent of the other animal, Let's do
this about pet. It's very good smack.
If you had no intent, you didn't you
didn't want to shut another animal. Is
it a good or not a good
that was a silly yesterday. According to
it's a good uh.
And according to it's not a good
and we passing like it's a good
according to that it's a good
uh.
And you shut it a para with it but by
mistake you shut it another black and
white cow. It's a good the black and
white cow. So what happens to the para
uh?
Possible because you know how to shut
two things at the same time. But
according to
that the black and white cow is not a
good
because you didn't know about it. So you
didn't shut another one with the para
you only shut it the para by itself. The
knife sliced into the to the other
animal. Oh, and what about the fact that
you know how to slice
a watermelon and by you by you slicing
into the black and white cow is like
slicing a watermelon. The answer is that
if you slice into a watermelon without
knowing it it's not a problem.
Because you weren't with it. The problem
is when you take off your concentration
from the para uh
and start concentrating on the black and
white animal or in a watermelon but over
here you didn't know it was there.
So it's not a problem at all. Either way
it's not a problem.
So says the inside
according to it says that you could shut
another animal by mistake and it's a
good
uh. So it turns out that you just shut
the two cows at the same time and part
of
and therefore the para becomes possible
because you know how to shut two animals
at the same time because it says
only one.
But what about the black and white cow?
The three million dollar cow is
completely possible throw it out.
But the the two thousand
two thousand dollar whatever cost two
thousand dollar cow is completely kosher
because even though you didn't know
you're shafting it, it's okay to shaft
something without knowing.
The rabbonim The rabbonim say you have
to have kavana when you shaft.
Parah adumah
The parah adumah is kosher. Why? Because
you didn't shaft anything with it.
Why didn't you shaft anything with it?
Because beheima pesula, the black and
white is pasul.
So, the black and white is pasul.
And the red is kosher cuz you only
shafted You had kavana for the red. So,
it's the the opposite halacha. According
to the The black and white kosher, the
red pasul. Says the Gemara,
"Shita."
This whole idea that if you work with
the parah adumah, you don't work with
the This is all stuff that we learned.
Says the Gemara, "Nishchata beheima
acheres l'Rav Nosson ben Yitzchak l'ei."
Now, I want to tell you chiddush in the
second black and white cow.
I would think that the words
"v'shachatei saw"
means you could only shaft the parah
adumah and not a second one. But, what
does it mean not a second one?
I would think that you can't shaft two
red cows together.
But, when it comes to a black and white
cow together with a red cow, it
shouldn't It shouldn't affect the red
cow. The red cow should be kosher.
Kama shma lon that no matter what any It
doesn't matter what kind of cow. You
cannot shaft two at the same time.
That's the pshat of "Shachatei saw."
This this case right over here.
As you're shafting the parah adumah,
you shaft You cut a watermelon. You cut
a gourd.
The yakol pesula.
You're not You're not allowed to
multitask.
If it just happened to be cut as you
were cutting the thing, you didn't have
any intent, that doesn't ruin it. The
yakol sheres. We We're learning what the
problem with doing something else is.
Doing something else is not the actual
physical doing. Doing is that takes away
from the mind. A person physically
cannot do two things. Don't listen to
your wives or whatever. I m-
You could only focus on one thing at at
once. That's it. That's all that's all a
human being could do. For most human
beings.
Reb Boaz said it happens all the time. A
person is is shuckting is shuckting
shuckting. His the knife falls out of
his hand.
Can he continue shuckting?
What is that called?
What is what shihur? How how much of a
pause is considered a pause to ruin the
shrita?
So we have different cases. Some of them
are deliberate. Some of them by mistake.
Different things happen to a person. For
instance, nuff second big beer. His
knife fell down.
One of his garments fell.
One that is is is hoisin might have
fallen off. So you have to bend down.
You have to stop shuckting, pick up.
He was in middle of sharpening the
blade. It takes a lot of strength to
sharpen blade. And he got really tired.
So his friend came and did the shrita
for him.
So now what what how much of a pause is
too much?
If he if he stopped and waited the
amount of time that takes to do a full
shrita
How much is that? Reb Boaz I guess how
much that is. A behema gassa, how much
is that? Be'erach.
3 seconds. 10 seconds. So just for the
sheer for today now nobody hold me to
this at all. Just a sheer we'll say a
bird is 6 seconds.
And a and a large animal is a 1 and 1/2
minutes. Just to let's say we have this
knife so we have a little bit to work
with.
Bikur means to check the knife. How long
does it take to check a knife? I forgot
to ask Rebbe Rebbe Weissfish. I'm
assuming that it's less than the shkid
itself. It's going up and down with your
nail, and you do it pretty quickly. And
we said on the sides also. I think if
they're good, they can do it in, you
know, let's call it 30 seconds, but it's
not 1 and 1/2 minutes. My good how much
is shkita? All my today shkita is
in order to shk another animal from
beginning to end.
So, we'll call it 1 and 1/2 minutes. All
my Kahana
so Kahana told Rav today shkita animal
to animal five life.
While you shk
animals, I understand it's 1 and 1/2
minutes that you get
to pause and take a nap.
But when you doing birds, five life, but
if it only takes 6 seconds per bird.
So, maybe you only get 6 seconds.
I do more of the animal life. Maybe when
you doing birds, you still get 1 and 1/2
minutes.
Because there's a sheer. There There's a
sheer. It's a There's a cos of It's a
sheer. It's a
You get a shihir is 1 and 1/2 minutes.
How do you know how much
the time it takes to you shk animal to
the other one?
But but even when you doing birds, you
have that 1 and 1/2 minutes.
I don't know.
So, Rav says it's unbelievable lotion
here.
We have a
no the
they shile.
I wasn't in a good mood
>> No.
>> with my uncle. We weren't in good in
good terms. My uncle, me, Rav, and my
uncle Hillel.
>> The uncle wasn't in a
>> Okay, the uncle wasn't. One of us wasn't
in a in in in the proper
I know wasn't in We weren't in good We
weren't in good terms then. He wasn't In
other words, I couldn't ask him the
question because of one of our moods. I
could pardon him. Just to remind
cuz it's fascinating.
Hillel
had a sister
from his mother's side, and he had a
brother from his father's side.
The sister and the brother were not
related.
They were both related to him.
It was Reb Hiyya's brother and Reb
Hiyya's sister. That brother and sister
got married.
That kid would not be accepted to any
Yeshiva today,
but he turned out to be Rav.
So, that's my uncle, my beloved, my
uncle, Reb Hiyya. Did I couldn't ask
him. I don't know. I never asked him.
So, and then the Gemara says a
fascinating thing. It's mar Omar Rav.
Kadesh be a male be a male of life. So,
he he was he was makpid. He was makhmir.
He didn't get the answer from his uncle.
So, he said, I don't know if that's the
reason, but he said, "No, when you
shecht chicken, you don't get the minute
and a half. You only get 6 seconds."
Ushmol Omar after the be a male of life.
No, even when you shecht chickens, you
get 1 and 1/2 minutes.
Rav Nachman also be a male of life. And
Reb Hiyya also holds you get 1 and 1/2
minutes throughout whatever you shecht.
Reb Hanina sticks in something. No, no,
no, you get much more than 1 and 1/2
minutes.
As long as it takes you to get another
animal from somewhere else. Asks the
Gemara, it makes no sense. You have to
feel my almost. Sometimes you have to go
all the way to
>> Brazil.
>> To Brazil? I don't know where exactly.
You have to go to to Yerushalayim to get
an animal?
Says the Gemara,
uh
on the side of the issue there. That
means that it depends where the animal
is. Sometimes it's an hour away.
Sometimes it's 10 minutes away.
Sometimes it's 4 hours 4 days away.
Omar Rav Papa,
I met this guy in the middle of the
night. No, no, no, no. It doesn't mean
to get another animal. It means to get
the other animal down on the ground.
So,
over here you see Reb Avraham Weissfish
knocking down
uh a 1,000-lb animal, a a wild beast, in
seconds. Yeah?
Not a problem for him. But, we're
talking about a regular human being.
The Lahaira
Lahaira takes for a cow, it takes a good
few minutes. I'm I'm going to assume
until you tie its legs down, until you
trip it up,
it takes a a nice amount of time.
So, Rebbe Yochanan says, "No, the sheer
is 1 and 1/2 minutes as long as it takes
you to shecht." Rebbe Chanina says, "No,
as long as it takes you to knock an
animal down, 5 minutes, plus 1 and 1/2
minutes." So, you get a total of 6 and
1/2 minutes.
If you take a nap in between, you start
shechting, you take a nap, you you go,
you start whatever you do, you you
sharpen your knife, you have 6 and 1/2
minutes, he says.
You got to lift the animal up, knock it
down to the ground,
and to shecht. Dako l'dako, the gaso
l'gaso. So, it takes a little bit of
here
Where was it? Something like this. I
don't know if this
>> [clears throat]
>> Looks like
Meyer.
Omar Rava
Guy uses a really bad blade.
It cuts, but takes some time to cut.
Afilu kol hayom kuloi ksheira. Even if a
person shechts all day long, as long as
he's cutting,
he's making progress, kosher. Boi Rava,
sh'hi sh'ma sh'tarafu. Unbelievable.
Let's say you get a minute and a half to
pause. So, what if he paused for a half
a minute at 9:00, a half a minute at
10:00, and another half a minute at
11:00. He's going all day long. So, he
wants to take a little break. He's
tired. His arm is falling off. So, he he
pauses.
But he knows that you know how to pause
for 1 and 1/2 minutes. But if you set a
timer, does it does it accumulate? Does
the shears accumulate? Practically
tomorrow of this limited day. Didn't you
just say that a guy is shifting all day
long with a bad knife? Obviously, he's
going to take a pause there. How do you
go 24 hours straight without taking a
pause? So, you see pauses do not
accumulate. Otherwise, how did he do it?
So, tomorrow, what do you mean? How do I
say I'm talking about he he shifted all
day long non-stop. But if he stopped,
maybe it's bad.
So,
this is unbelievable.
We had a very similar question 2 days
ago.
A guy takes a knife and he shifts.
Where's my new pipe? I have a wild occur
be him a Gaza trachea.
He shifts shifts shifts.
Let's say uh that amount.
He shifted right. It's perfect.
Is it a good shita?
It's a good shita. He shifted right.
Now he waits 2 minutes. He waits 2
minutes. 2 full minutes, which is more
than 1 and 1/2 minutes that you're
allowed. And then he puts the knife in
the same exact thing and he goes later
and he shifts more.
Problem or not a problem?
So, the
what's the problem? What? He shifted
already. But whoever was paying
attention 2 days ago, we had the same
exact question by Halacha.
What happened by Halacha? The more I ask
the same question. He did right. It was
a perfect shita. And then he sticks the
knife in, he buries it,
and then he goes later. So, what's the
question? What's the more I ask the
question? He already did a whole whole
shita. So, Rashi explains because it's
one long shita and he messed up at the
tail end.
So, here also, he he he did a shita. If
he would have stopped and gone home, it
would have been perfect. The problem is
he continued. Who asked you to continue?
You continued and you did a shiya in
between.
It could be it's a problem. Listen to
this and Rashi says here something
unbelievable.
He sticks in there.
Venira
Listen to this.
A guy, it happened to me, I saw with my
own eyes. A guy shucked at a cow.
And they're they're they're they're onto
the next cow. They don't wait.
So they release him from the box. The
cow stood up
and started running around the place.
His head gushing everything. Guys are
running out of the way. They're holding
on their their like their legs are in
the air holding on to the machines. A
guy pulls out a gun starts shooting.
Don't ask. It was a mess.
So what are you doing? It's a situation.
I'm not joking.
It's a cut of the fashious. A cow out of
control is a cut of the fashious. Smash
you into a piece of metal over there.
People were hanging, dangling,
screaming.
They they have a system. They're
literally taking out weapons. Boom boom
boom. Crazy. So venira That shoychin
simonim says Rashi. V'ish
v'oyish shoyel al omas. We're talking
about a bird here.
He sees tarvel chaim, the bird is going
crazy. The bird is not dying.
She has a more to gaze at.
He's going to take a knife, same knife
he's holding in his hand, and continue
to give him shiya and knock his head
off. Finish off the job.
Oso laxar v'lich amil b'toyr shchita.
You're not allowed to go back to that
place.
D'mut of shiya al etzavar. Give him a
whack in the head, but don't go back to
that place. Cuz you go back to the place
and the says take him. The says
I don't know what the alacha is.
A fascinating alacha. Huh? You did it
You did a complete shchita. And
everybody says, "Hey, it's 100% good.
It's kosher v'yashar. You can eat the
bird right now."
No, but if you continue, you make it
worse.
So you have a bird that's out of
control. Make sure you don't cut it in
the neck.
Reb Shimon Shokdi Bikor. Reb Shimon says
that if
that Shimon argues he says it's not
could they could they be it's checking
the knife.
Mike how much is that I'm
could they be
you got to go all the way to a smart
the the in the city.
Okay
every lives in a different place.
Sometimes you have to travel 2 hours to
get to the
so is it 2 hour thing? It's 1 minute 10
seconds. What is it?
It's
if he himself the himself knows that is
So how long does it take him to and then
go with his finger like this?
Whatever that is 30 seconds you get 30
seconds.
Says the mission.
So let's do this about that for a
second.
You come to an animal and you see that
is trachea is this is the breathing pipe
it is completely disconnected. And then
you go ahead
and you check this pipe one pipe. What
do you just do?
Is the animal kosher to eat?
Absolutely not. You didn't check this
pipe. This pipe was already
disconnected.
The big question of the mission is
how do we view the animal?
>> [clears throat]
>> Did the
help at all? Because a lot of times
helps
to get remove tumor.
If it has a hole in the heart and you
then it's great. It's a good you can eat
the animal but there's no tumor.
What if it doesn't have a hole in the
heart it has a removed trachea it's
popped out of its place and you check
the one in
Did you remove the tumor?
No what do you guys say?
You say no.
You say no. Anybody say yes?
says yes for a second then he takes it
back.
Show this
We're going moving on to different now
it's called to to pop out of cement. He
did the
esophagus, the eating tube. Or possuk is
sagoy geres, then he messed up on the
trachea, on the breathing tube. He He as
he's shechting it, he popped it out.
He did something wrong with the knife.
So, he only shechted really one out of
the two simanim. Or possuk is sagoy
geres, or he started out really bad.
Here.
Oh, this is nishma. This is not a good
This is not good for us.
I wanted to show where he popped it out
himself.
Okay, it's one of the halachas. This
next one, maybe.
Or possuk is sagoy geres b'afikah shogeg
l's'aveshes.
B'kitzur, he didn't have a trachea to
deal with. He's only has the esophagus.
He shechted the esophagus. Or shochat
echad mehem Or he only shechted one out
of the two. Or shochat echad mehem v'eim
tinat meisa Or he only shechted one out
of the two.
Obviously, he shechted one out of the
two, it's nothing. It's not a good
sh'chita, but the question here is not
whether it's a good sh'chita. The
question is is it an aveila or a treifa?
An aveila has tumas magal mas. If you
touch it, you become tamei.
You carry, you become tamei.
Or shehegida l's'aken tachas asher
yifsok. You did chalada. What's chalada?
You hid the knife.
Let's see.
You see over here the knife is hidden.
It's underneath the the
It's underneath both simanim. It's
hidden.
And then he goes, after it's hidden, he
goes and he she goes in an upward
motion. It's the wrong motion. Instead
of coming down from the trachea
downwards, he goes from the esophagus
upwards.
Ufsok oi, Rebbi Shimon oimer aveila.
Rebbi Shimon says this is not a valid
sh'chita. If it's not a valid sh'chita,
the animal is is a real neveila. It's
like a dead horse, a dead calf, a dead
cow. It gives tumah.
Rebbi Akiva oimer treifa. No.
At the end of the day, he performed
sh'chita here. And therefore, remove
sh'chita.
So, Rebbe Shimon says a rule,
kosher [clears throat] and shchita is an
aveila.
As you're performing the shchita, you
create an aveila.
You create if if you did a psul as you
perform the shchita, then the animal is
an aveila.
So, over here, you performed a shchita
and you realize you messed up on the
trachea. You ripped the trachea out of
its place before the the esophagus.
After the esophagus,
only the trachea.
It was during shchita, so it turns into
an aveila.
Kosher shchita is a karoit. Let's say
let's say you had a hole in the heart.
But you did a great shchita.
The psul
the gorem the psul treifa. If if that's
the the other thing caused the hole in
the heart caused it to be possible, it
was a good shchita, then it's a treifa
and there's no tuma.
Says the Mishnah of Rebbe Akiva, Rebbe
Akiva admitted to Rebbe Shimon that
you're right.
You are right. In other words, if I
messed up during shchita,
everybody there's no machlokes anymore.
Everybody agrees it's an aveila and
there's tuma.
Says the Gemara,
we have to remember these three words
over here, these two words. Eilu
treifos. That's the next perek, Rebbe
Meir says.
What do we say? Rebbe Meir says,
>> [clears throat]
>> if you find a damaged trachea and you
shacht, you made an aveila according to
everybody. Rebbe Akiva admits. Rebbe
Shimon for sure said it.
Eilu treifos.
There are 16 types of treifos, the
Mishnah says, and the first two
talk about a hole in the esophagus and a
messed up trachea.
And it causes treifos, not an aveila. We
just said it's an aveila. So, we have a
contradiction that we're going to be
dealing with until the end of the shiur
today.
A contradiction. On the one hand, our
Mishnah calls it an aveila, on the other
hand, it's eilu treifos, it's a treifa.
Let me call Rebbe Shimon and ask him to
ask Rebbe
If the gargeres, the colon, the
trachea, the breathing pipe is
dislocated,
is it treif?
So, that's the question. The answer,
we're going to have a few different
answers here.
He did a nice shita on the esophagus,
and then he dislocated
the colon, the trachea.
The answer to the problem is the Gemara
is going to explain. The answer to the
problem is the Gemara
First, he disconnected the colon, the
the breathing pipe,
shifta the the eating tube, the
esophagus.
The what?
If he started out nicely, did a nice
shita on the esophagus, and then he
disconnected the trachea, then
that's an availa according to everybody.
Why? Because the p'sul happened while he
shacted. While he shacted, then it's a
According to everybody, it's an availa.
It gives tuma.
But p'sul, that's what Naim was saying.
P'sul was shacted. If it was
disconnected first, and then he shacted,
then
we view it as if
this animal had a problem. Sometimes it
has a problem with the heart. Sometimes
it has a problem with the trachea. It
has nothing to do with the shita. And
then you went and you shacted the the
esophagus,
then it's a treif.
The problem is
it can't be. Why? Cuz our mishna says
differently. It says, "Shacted the
esophagus.
If you shacted the esophagus, the
feeding tube, feeding pipe, or p'sul is
the gargeres, and then he dislocated the
trachea,
but then what does it say? P'sul is the
gargeres. He first That's You're trying
to say that this case, p'sul is the
gargeres. If the trachea was Excuse me.
Was dislocated first, then it's called a
treif. But it says in our mishna, "Posek
is a gargaris."
The trachea was was was dislocated
first.
It's a nevelah. It's a nevelah not a
treifoh. It says in the Mishnah that if
the gargaris was dislocated first, you
dislocate Fine, you dislocated the
gargaris.
And then you shechted the the the the
esophagus, it's a nevelah not a treifoh.
Don't tell me that that that's a case of
a treifoh when it says in the Mishnah
it's a nevelah.
So, we're aiming at shechted the
esophagus mikarah. Maybe
we're talking about that he already
shechted the esophagus. The problem is
then then it would be exactly the same
case, and that's what the Gemara asks.
Well, you'll say that in our Mishnah one
was together simultaneously and one was
one after the other. Al kol panim, we
really should stay true to the davar.
Stay true to the davar. It's a nice
daichak, but it doesn't really work. You
know why? Chod da in kamai so then
you're saying the same case twice.
Ve'od, hot na v'achar kach. It says in
the Mishnah that after the esophagus
came the
After the Sorry, after the konah, after
the trachea came the esophagus. It
didn't happen in the reverse. It
happened first konah then esophagus.
El amar Rav Ashi, Rav himself has
another p'shat.
That the next Mishnah of the next
Mishnah Next perek, Eilu Treifos, you
have to understand that it's not Eilu
Treifos. It's not 16 only treifos. It
what it really means is Eilu Asuros.
These are the ones that are assur to
eat. Some of them are treif, some of
them are nevelah. Don't Don't be medayek
in the word treif.
If Asuros is done, yesh mehem nevelos,
yesh mehem treifos. Out of the 16, some
of them are in fact nevelah. For
instance,
that if you if you if you damage the
trachea first and then the esophagus,
then it's a then it's a nevelah. It's
not a treifoh.
>> 18.
>> The problem is that if you 18? Okay, 18.
But, check them out. I don't know. I
thought it was 16.
So,
the problem is that you're opening up
uh, a can of worms, so to speak. Now
you're introducing that the mish next
mish the the that perek also talks about
an aveila. So, guess what? I have a
bunch of other aveilas that it's not
men- mentioned in the mishnah. Vilush of
Nami the chiskia the machiskia also
gistera an aveila. This famous gistera
the the cow that walks into a bus
half a half a cow. Vilush of Nami
Reboisai here's a beautiful question.
Vilush of Nami the Reb Elozar Reb Elozar
Nikla Yagav also here take where's this
picture?
Uh, this guy is missing. Take a look.
It's missing it's entire thigh. But and
when it sits down you can see a hole.
This cow is mooing away. It's in a lot
of pain. I get it the whole thing. If
you touch it do you become tamei?
It's alive, right?
Wrong. You become tamei. It's It's
halachically it's dead. Pele ployim.
You learn a lot of stuff in that biur
Yomi.
The mishnah of aveila and treifa is only
talks about animals normal animals that
are an aveila after they're dead not
when they're alive.
This animal over here it's winking at
you. It's wearing a hat. It's It's
mamish it could be walking around. If
you touch it you become tamei.
Next. Okay, so that's one shita.
I have another shita.
In our mishnah it's talking about take a
look. There's already
a nice incision right over here.
And he goes and he takes a knife. Do it
left these very dangerous. Takes a knife
and continues the incision.
Guess what? It's as if you didn't even
shecht this pipe. This pipe doesn't even
exist cuz it's already shechted.
And then you shechted this guy
the esophagus. Okay, so you shechted one
pipe.
It's as if you only shechted one pipe.
But the next mishnah is talking about
So, that's an availa.
Cuz you only shut down one pipe, it's an
availa.
But, conscious of Ator.
The next mission now, when it's a
treifa, it's talking about this is open
over here. So, you didn't cut over here,
you cut right over here, another place
completely.
And the maila, that's considered a
treifa.
Shalom Ator, this is shalom shalom Ator.
It's possible during the shalom Ator,
you're doing an availa. Shalom shalom
Ator. But, if you shut in another place,
you have another another mum somewhere.
A hole It has a hole in the heart. Over
here it has a hole in the trachea. Who
cares? You're doing a shalom in another
place and you're you're you're you're
mastering the tumor. You're getting rid
of the tumor cuz you're doing a full
shalom
in another place on on the trachea.
I asked the Gamara a very simple
question and that's it for today.
We have shalom shalom Ator. How can
shalom shalom Ator say something else
himself? He says something else. Why is
shalom shalom Ator shalom in the corner?
Take a look at this. Just little simple
signs over here, yeah? For people that
don't know, this is the trachea. The
trachea leads right into what? Into the
lungs.
So, what if a person takes the trachea
and chops it out chops it in half? In
other words, it's called shalom Ator.
Cuts it in half.
Then he before he gets to the veshet
before he gets to the safek, he goes he
takes a a screwdriver
and punctures the lung. Makes a bunch of
the shalom you know, the the the the
bite it goes takes the lungs and blow it
up to see if there's any sirchas.
He finds three screwdriver holes in the
lung.
Is the animal treif or not treif?
The animal is not treif. Why is it not
treif? Because he already cut the
corner.
So, when you cut the corner, you could
remove it all from the animal. Pretend
there's no corner in the body.
And the fact that you cut a
a lung that's connected to the corner,
it has no significance anymore. If you
If you If you stabbed it in the heart,
then you made it a treifa. But there are
no lungs. The lungs are in a box. The
lungs are out of the animal already.
How? By you cutting the corner, you
removed the lungs.
He calls it
It's
not a problem to to to to poke the the
lung. I'm a command of my people does as
if you put in a basket.
When you shafted when the when this when
this
um
corner has a giant hole like this,
so this corner is already removed from
the animal. It's in a basket. So you go
and you start cutting over here, down
here. Who cares? It's as if you poked a
hole in the in the lung. This is not
even in the animal anymore. I'm a
command of my people does as if you
So you didn't do a shita.
So
we don't like the carrots. So I have
another very very simple answer.
Again,
we have a contradiction in the two
Mishnahs. In our mission it says that if
you
uproot the trachea first and then the
esophagus, it's an availa. In Ailu
Treifus, the second case in the Mishnah,
calls it a treifa. So he says, "Very
good.
The second Mishnah is
is is
is before he took it back.
Before Rebbe Akiva took it back.
We
know that in our Mishnah Rebbe Akiva
retracted his He also said in our
Mishnah that it's a treifa. Then he
retracted. He said, "I have
It's an availa." So don't ask me that in
one place it says an availa and one
place it says treifa. The one place that
says an availa is when Rebbe Akiva said
in our Mishnah he took it back and he
calls it an availa. But that place, Ailu
Treifus, is a Mishnah that was written
before Rebbe Akiva retracted. It took
him years to retract and he calls it a
treifa. Well, Mishnah doesn't matter.
When people learn things about pen now
like in our days,
everything's about pen. You give a kid a
Mishnah and another mission and then if
you take out a mission out or confuse
him completely. Adult also. You can't
take out words from a song. You're not
going to be able to How are you going to
get through you? When everything's about
pair you you leave just leave it as is
and you know that that's a mistake. And
the real one is if trachea first and
then safa is called an aveda not a
treifa. Raboisai, have a wonderful day.
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