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- Good Morning - Introduction - 15A (14B) - 15B - Have A Wonderful Day! -- MDY presents: "Nothing but the Daf", R’ Eli Stefansky’s MDY (Mercaz Daf Yomi) Shiur in a concise format - all the clarity of the full daf Shiur, with Reb Eli's unique charts and visual aids, without any extras (emails, stories etc.) Perfect for Chazarah or anyone who wants a quick, focused Daf.
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[music]
>> Good morning boys
and girls.
We're
in the middle of the Sugya when a person
checks on Shabbos and Kipper. He does a
Shita on Shabbos and Kipper.
You're permitted to have from the Shita
says Rav provided what?
You wait a full You wait a day. You
wait. In other words, we'll see maybe it
means Shabbos. You wait. Can't eat it on
Shabbos. The Sugya tries and says, you
know what? Maybe it's the Rebbi which
Rebbi says we tried this one, that one.
Muktza Machmas Issur.
It's Muktza. You can't touch the meat
because it's Muktza. It was Assur. It
was Assur before Shabbos and it's Assur
now. Does Rebbi really hold this in?
Last words on the Amud. This not Rebbi
Omer.
Kol Ner Yishal Machmas Metatla. You have
a candelabra. If it's made out of
earthenware, so it gets all nasty and
gross from all the oil. So it's
certainly Muktza Machmas Meos. But even
if it's a nice
material like metal which doesn't get
dirty and it's older it's a older
candelabra. You're allowed to move it on
Shabbos if you have some sort of reason
to. Chutz Min Ha-Ner Shel Likui Ba-Bais
Shel Shabbos. Everybody's familiar with
this Halacha. The once you light a
candle I I I remember as a kid I don't I
didn't see it in a long time. Some
people light their candles on the
Shabbos table and it becomes like an
issue. So they take the table cloth
you're not allowed to move the actual
candles. So what do you do exactly? I
remember that there were people people
were not so familiar maybe with this
Halacha back in the day. Maybe today
they became more I don't know. Okay.
V'Dilma Shani Hasam. So the Gemara
what's the connection? How do you know?
So therefore Rebbi would say in our case
when you have meat you have an animal
that was an Ever Min Ha-Chai before
Shabbos. So it's like candelabra that
you have candles lit on it. And even
when the candles go out the candelabra
remains Assur. Why? Because it was a
bosses became
something that's also at the time that
the candles were lit you weren't allowed
to move it so the way here at the time
that the animal and that's a big issue
when somebody owns a dog like we used to
have a dog are you allowed to touch it
there's not a good heather to really
touch your own dog it the actual dog is
is muktza
and a lot of people in my family were
make of the dollar
they came up with their own coolest
There there's there's some material
I'm not I I was looking high and low I
would love to hear it but
I don't know why it's muktza to tell you
the truth I don't know why like has no
use but the mice it's your pet you like
to pet it okay fine
call upon him
The Gemara says over here that
this is Reb Yehuda that's why you can't
have the animal the animal's muktza
because it's
so you have to do on Shabbos it's
already shabbos and the meat is
available it's still muktza says the
Gemara shani the Rebbi
What's the connection when you light a
candle on a candelabra you're saying I
don't want to use this this beautiful
silver piece for the next 24 hours cuz I
just lit a candle on it but an animal
you didn't push it off you didn't do
anything physically to show that you
don't want this animal
the Rebbi Shani the Rebbi Rebbi died
So therefore let's go and find another
Reb Yehuda Elazar Reb
Yehuda the Rebbi Shani this is the Reb
Yehuda of Bishul It's not Rebbi Shani
Bishul Bishabbos It's a very very famous
machlokes it's a three-way machlokes
and the three-way machlokes has
different parts to it
So what's the machlokes
so I just want to to make the machlokes
easier goes like this if a person
is mechallel Shabbos he cooks on Shabbos
somebody in Chicago baal teshuvah I ate
in their house and I I witnessed a
chillul Shabbos that had to do with
cooking she wasn't aware that a certain
thing with the oven was also She didn't
know. So, what's the you allowed to eat
this meat or not?
So, we have a three-way like this.
But, we have the three-way like this in
both categories, whether she did it
deliberately or she did it
unintentionally.
Because if she did it deliberately, then
we have a whether anybody could eat it.
Anyone.
And so, it goes like this. We have
who's the most
make all and we have who's the most make
all and who's the most make all.
And they'll say that if it happened
deliberately,
then no one can eat it forever. Toss it
out.
With and says if it happened
unintentionally,
like in my case in Chicago,
then you're allowed to eat it, but only
on Shabbos.
And you have to wait this
You have to wait
how long did that meat take to to cook?
2 hours? You have to wait for 2 hours on
Shabbos. Why? Because you don't want to
have any benefit
You want You don't want people to
benefit from the Shabbos. So, if it took
them 2 hours on Shabbos, you're not
going to benefit from the Shabbos at
all. You're going to wait till So, that
those are the extremes. You have who
says it's motor
to eat.
And then you have
who says that it's also to eat for
anybody.
So,
But, they and who's in the middle?
And we're going to say that our We're
going to
The truth is we don't have to know all
the different because it could get
confusing. Now,
to make the a little easier,
I will say
that
whatever holds in
it,
which is his
extreme category, that's what holds in
it.
In the lighter category. And whatever
holds in his
That's what the next man holds in holds
in his it.
So, it's steps.
It's tiered.
Rebbi Meir who's the most maker says by
mazel you should do XYZ.
So that's what you going to hold exactly
by his shul.
Rebbi who that holds in his mazel you
should do this and this that's what
Rebbi is going to hold in that. Okay,
fine. Okay. So let's see inside. This is
not the shul the shul gig.
Yoi khan.
You could eat.
Ah.
When could he eat?
He could eat right away.
So I I I misspoke before Rebbi Meir
holds they could eat even on Shabbos on
a shul gig.
On a shul gig?
So according to Rebbi Meir
which we'll see that Rebbi says passes
like Rebbi Meir. So in that in that my
situation sitting in this guy's living
room or dining room and seeing that his
wife was the shul gig Shabbos with the
food you're allowed to eat right away.
Even she even she. Yeah. Even her even
the the right. So we have the two we
have the
guy doing the cooking the chef and then
we have the friends. We have the shul
gig and we have the mazel.
So the mazel is the shul gig
the mazel
why if you do it deliberately why
shouldn't you eat because there's a
we there's a there's a penalty here.
Can't eat it right away.
Rebbi Meir. So let's see I don't know
I don't know if we did this correctly
yesterday.
Rebbi Meir is on the bottom.
Is there no it doesn't move. Okay.
I don't see what's going on here.
>> [snorts]
>> Okay. So Rebbi Meir says the shul gig
yoi khan
so I don't know if you could see there's
a table with a chef
with [snorts] friends. You guys see the
chef you can you see it?
Oh zoom in very good. Oh.
Okay.
Here's the chef. He's the he's the he's
the worst guy because he's the one that
did it. According to the mayor, on a
shogeg, even he could eat and his
friends could eat.
On Shabbos, you see it says on Shabbos.
Yom Shabbos.
Meizid
Meizid, what's the halacha? Only on
Motzei Shabbos, you see? Meizid
Motzei Shabbos, only who?
Only friends. You don't see a chef
there.
That's what Rebbe Yehudah's going to
hold
what?
That's what Rebbe Yehudah's going to
hold on a shogeg. You hear?
On a shogeg
Rebbe Yehudah's going to hold
that
only friends and only on Motzei Shabbos
on a shogeg.
What does Rebbe Yehudah
What does Rebbe Yehudah hold on a
meizid?
Yeah, yeah. On a meizid, the next one
up.
Here. So, he did very nice. He put the
chef all by himself. He gets nothing.
The chef gets nothing.
The The The friends get to eat when?
Only on Motzei Shabbos.
So, that's That's basically what Rebbe
Yehudah holds on a meizid. Let's see.
Let's see if it's right.
Rebbe Yehudah imer
Rebbe Yehudah imer, and this is what the
Gemara is trying to say that Rebbe
Yehudah is our Mishnah.
If somebody shochts on Shabbos, this is
what you do.
Bishogeg lo yochal.
Lo Motzei Shabbos.
Oh, remember Rav said, yes, you're
allowed to eat the shchitah provided
that you wait a day.
This is the This is And it goes
according to Rebbe Yehudah. This is
Rebbe Yehudah that what? That if you
shocht by mistake, our Mishnah is going
to be talking about bishogeg, by mistake
you have to wait until Motzei Shabbos.
Umeizid lo yochal leolam es.
But if you do it deliberately,
you can't eat forever. But who can eat
forever?
The chef.
But somebody else could eat.
And that's going to be and Sandler's
shagig.
In the maze of
if you did deliberately, the chef can
never eat it. He can never benefit from
it, ever.
But his friends could.
Shlecha de niska.
Yeah, it's always shlecha de niska.
So and Sandler may
I
know it because it's there's a lot of
elements, it's hard to remember it all.
But and Sandler says if you did it by
mistake, I'm going to hold like you do
in his maze. You have to have the same
way.
Only his friends, not him. Why? Because
we we give a shagig of the maze. The
maze of
if you do it deliberately, you can never
eat it. You have to have the same way.
I could probably wasn't going to want to
say.
Where it says that we're going according
to our mission is going through
according to you that in shagig. You
have to have the same way.
And you have to wait even you have to
wait until Shavuot day.
So the Gamara
the new maze of the maze of the mayor.
Why don't we say that it goes according
to the mayor?
The second category of the mayor that he
did it deliberately.
And the mayor has to wait until Shavuot
Why?
It can't be the mayor.
Since the mission he says the words that
he Shavuot and Kippur together one after
another, so Shavuot is similar to
Kippur. My Kippur
on Kippur itself nobody could eat.
There's no to eat on Kippur whether even
if you did it by shagig.
>> [snorts]
>> So there's no difference between shagig
and amazing and he shouldn't be able to
eat.
So the Gamara great.
So we must have shagig of the mayor. Why
how could you how could you say that our
mission goes like you do? In what case
of a shogeg? Think about it. Let's read
the mission together. Let's see if it
fits.
Ha shocheit Rebbi Yehuda
Ha shocheit b' Shabbos or Yom Ha Kippur
I'm reading these words. You tell me if
it makes sense that it's a shogeg. Af al
pi she mischayev nafsho, even though he
gets the death penalty
shchitaso ksheira.
Are we talking about a shogeg or a
mezid?
How could it be a shogeg? It says
mischayev nafsho, he gets the death
penalty.
Says the Gemara, I don't understand what
you're talking about.
U'mi matziz mogim b'shogeg Rebbi Yehuda?
How could you say goes like Rebbi
Yehuda? Av avishul mischayev nafsho
k'dati. It says m'foresh that he gets
the death penalty. You don't get the
death penalty if you're doing something
by accident.
How we call him? Av avishul d'meizid
mischayev nafsho. What the mission is
trying to say is so extreme. We're
talking about a situation that if
somebody did it deliberately, he would
get the death penalty.
So if he did it
unintentionally
>> [snorts]
>> maybe we should be super machmir.
It's a very severe thing that he did
here.
So what if it was unintentionally? It's
like
if you kill somebody deliberately, you
get the death penalty. It's a very very
severe thing to kill somebody. So if you
did it unintentionally, it's not a joke.
You don't go home. Says the Gemara, so I
didn't mean to say that our mission is
mamesh a mezid. I said in a case of a
mezid, you get the death penalty. Mila,
you have to be very careful by shogeg
also. And in fact, you do have to wait
until Motzei Shabbos to get to eat it.
How could a shogeg shogeg be allowed to
eat it from the shchita? But if it
happened b'shogeg, you're allowed to
you're allowed to eat it from the
shchita.
Says the Gemara, okay, so one more
question and then we're done with the
sugiyah. Why don't we say the mission?
Who told you that the mission goes
according to Rebbi Yehuda? We have three
shitos. We have Rebbi Meir who's meikel,
Rebbi Yehuda in the middle, and we have
Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel who's super
machmir. Maybe our mission goes
according to Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel
in the shogeg part. It happened
b'shogeg, it goes according to Rebbi
Yehonasan ben Uziel.
B'nukma d'Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel
b'shogeg, b'nukma d'meizid lo yochal.
Says the Gemara, can't be Rebbi
Yehonasan.
B'nukma d'Rebbi Yehonasan ben Uziel
b'shogeg, b'nukma d'meizid lo yochal on
Shabbos. Lo yochal.
What's tricky about the Sugya? A lot of
things you have to stick in a little
word here, a little word there. When it
When it says over here, loy loy shomer
mazik
bishogeg loy shomer mazik loy ochel
means only on Shabbos he can eat.
So, why don't we say that it goes
according to Rebbi Akiva and some of us
say it's Rebbi Meir. Rebbi Akiva and
some of us say it's Rebbi Meir. Some of
us say Shabbos ochel loy ochel.
But at the end of the day,
there's a difference between the chef
himself and his friends. Tani d'Rebbi
Shimon bishogeg tani, but our Tanna
never differentiated between anyone.
He said a a blanket statement that the
shchita of somebody who shochts on
Shabbos and Yom Kippur is kosher. He
didn't say, "Oh, only kosher for
friends, not kosher for himself." So,
immediately we can't say it goes
according to Rebbi Akiva and some of us
say it's Rebbi Meir.
And now we have a brand new Sugya.
Tani Tanna Kamma d'Rebbi Akiva.
Hamivashal b'Shabbos bishogeg yochal
b'meizid loyochal.
So, I'm going to read this and you're
going to tell me who this is. This is
this tricky. 8:00 in the morning after
sleeping 2 hours.
If somebody cooks on Shabbos,
if he did it bishogeg, if he did it by
by mistake, b'meizid loyochal, if he
does it deliberate I'm sorry, bishogeg
yochal, if he did it unintentionally, he
could eat. You hear this? He could eat.
B'meizid loyochal. Who does it go I'm
going to show you the steps and you have
to tell me besides Rebbi Akiva.
>> [clears throat]
>> Again, if he did it bishogeg, you're
allowed to eat. B'meizid, you're not
allowed to eat. Who does it go according
to? This is the most makel shitta. This
is Rebbi Meir.
When Shas d'Rebbi Akiva Rebbi Akiva
said, "Quiet.
Don't don't talk like that."
So, the question is why
Why would Rebbi Akiva tell somebody to
be quiet? The Gemara has two questions
on that. What's the point? My time in
Shas d'Rebbi Akiva, why would he tell me
to be quiet? Ilay which is the shitta
d'Rebbi Akiva d'Rebbi Yehuda.
You're saying the shitta d'Rebbi Meir
and I Rebbi Akiva hold like Rebbi
Yehuda. But Tanna Tanna Kamma Rebbi
Meir.
And the and the and the Tanna the
announcer said it like Rebbi Meir which
is the shitta d'Rebbi Akiva d'Rebbi
Yehuda. Because man d'Tanna
because Rav holds like
so if anybody tries to say something
like
I quiet him down.
That doesn't make sense.
Rav himself doesn't hold like
Rav himself holds like
so he should have been very happy that
somebody said like
why would he be upset? When he himself
holds like why would he be upset that
somebody else said it's like him.
How do I know this?
When Rav was teaching Bisha to tell me
them he told them in private that the
law is like in other words that could be
made all that if somebody
in Chicago cooks meat unintentionally
you're allowed to eat that meat on
Shabbos even the cooker even the chef is
allowed to eat it cuz it was
unintentional.
That's what he told his tell me them.
But if when he said it in shul in front
of the whole
the whole community he said no no that
looks like why he didn't want them to be
make all on Shabbos to be on Shabbos.
You yourself are allowed to eat it and
then by mistake by mistake all of a
sudden you start cooking things on
Shabbos you start eating it yourself
forget it it becomes also.
because I'm out.
So I'm a mailer.
So what? So if somebody came along and
said that law is like why would he tell
him to be quiet? That is the law.
So what's the obvious answer? Because he
said it in front of so many people and
he didn't want the people to know this
this the secret.
this story happened in front of the
whole audience and that's why he quieted
them. No at the all and that's why he
quieted them.
Nobody listens to to another that comes
along and says something. They
listen to the guy the speaker phone the
ram call the
the megaphone the one that with the loud
voice I'm not going to say who the guy
has a voice here
in Jerusalem right now.
I'll tell you cool the alma up.
I don't know what means talk.
Tana Shoka, Tana Kameha the Rav. Says
the Gamorah, listen to the what happened
was we're going we're going differently.
A new shot over here. A new shot.
When the Talmud came and said, "Hey
Rav." He didn't say Rav. He said Rabbi.
He was talking to the Godol the Rav.
Uh
you allowed to eat a bashiga. He wasn't
talking about bishul.
There's two categories. There's bishul,
there's there's um the cooking and
there's the shechting. Our mission is
actually talking about shechting and
that's why mom fits right in over here.
Says the Gamorah, or I don't even Tana
Shoka, Tana Kameha the Rav. He wasn't
talking about bishul that if somebody
cooked and that the the the the three
the three step makhloket that we had
over here, the steps, this thing. It
wasn't about this. It was about if
somebody shechted on Shabbos, what do
you do?
Says the Gamorah.
How should I go we're holding like seven
lines from the bottom. How should I go
we're Shabbos bashiga
if you shecht, then you could do it
you could eat it if it happened by
mistake. You shechted by mistake on
Shabbos. So the Gamorah says, "The meat
is not allowed to be eaten." But if you
did it
deliberately on Shabbos, you're not
allowed to eat it.
My dad is a chomer. You hold like a
chomer.
Uh the which chomer? Of cooking? I think
like a chomer of ashel. That's in the
ashel you're allowed to eat from it on
Shabbos. Why? There are two lokos. So
you the Gamorah makes a distinction
here. When you take meat out of the
freezer and you cook it on Shabbos, the
meat was edible.
In fact, we had a lot of carpaccio meat
during this trip trip. Uncooked meat is
a thing. People eat uncooked meat.
You don't like it, that's your thing.
But it's a thing. People eat uncooked
meat. They eat uncooked tuna. This is
uncooked.
And I was shocked that they only they
only allowed lokos lay. But but but a
but a animal that before you shechted it
was 100% also for the whole world even
for a
cuz it's ever been a high. So then you
can't you can't say oh I shut it and I
could eat it now I could I could use it
right now on Shabbos. It's not it's
muktza.
Ask the Gemara and oh and this is why
Rav tell me quiet.
Cuz we weren't talking about bishul
we're talking about shchita. So be
quiet. You're making a mistake.
The Reb Meir is talking about bishul not
about shchita. Don't don't don't confuse
the two. Shh, quiet. That's the that's
the pshat. Not quiet cuz Reb Meir made
here quiet cuz you made a mistake in
halacha. Don't connect shchita and
bishul.
But I was sitting in shul and I do But
wait a minute our mishnah is talking
about shchita.
And and in shchita we said that you
can't eat it that day.
What do you mean it goes according to
Yehuda?
Because only according to Yehuda it's
assur that day but according to the one
who's more meikel than Reb Yehuda Reb
Meir
muttar that day.
Reb Meir shari.
So why would Rav say be quiet?
According to Reb Meir it's okay and he
was saying according to this tannaim
that spoke up and said hey you're
allowed to eat this meat on Shabbos this
is going according to Reb Meir.
So the Gemara no kishari Reb Meir is
turning to daf 62b. You going to shul
and you don't know the
halacha.
If there's a a person who's dying mamesh
a choleh sheyeish bo sakanah and I have
to shecht this meat even on Shabbos so
now this animal is no longer muktza. So
what does muktza mean? Muktza means a
machshavah da'as. I removed it from my
mind. I'm never going to touch this
animal on Shabbos. But no he said I am
going to use this animal on Shabbos.
This live animal I'm going to shecht and
I'm going to make a good dish for my for
this sick person that I'm taking care
of.
So Reb Meir it's not muktza.
>> [clears throat]
>> So why did he tell him to be quiet?
Because Reb Meir doesn't say it's muttar
in general. It's muttar when there's a
there's a real reason. What's the reason
here? Cuz there's a sick person. But if
it's not a sick person you're not
allowed to eat it.
Y'all hear my time to review this
awesome. If there's really sick person
so even if you just going to agree
that's not muktza.
So it's going to work inside of every.
What happened was
we remove the the muktza status. You're
right.
According to review that there's no
muktza according to your mate there's no
muktza there's no muktza. Why is there
no muktza? Cuz I have a sick person in
the room and I have to cook for him and
my law it's muktza it's not muktza this
animal.
Body became healthy. Once he becomes
healthy now I go back to the muktza from
every Yuda. What happens when I do
something on shabbos unintentionally
intentionally? That's why
review this is awesome and remains this
is muktza and try to be very.
Really all the other other other says
all the other other other other other
also the body.
If
somebody came sick on shabbos and
somebody you shut for him you got to
give him some meat immediately to to
heal him.
But the the healthy person cannot eat.
Why can't the healthy person eat? Rabbi
say give me a good reason.
No.
Who just said that?
If you did you said it.
If you did you pray you. He said muktza.
Cuz for the for the healthy person it's
muktza. The muktza doesn't go away.
What what does muktza mean? The banish
mashes this was awesome.
Now I'm allowed to shut it for somebody
who really needs it cuz because of that
but it doesn't mean it's not muktza.
For you it's still muktza.
You all like it.
What?
No no no I said it became shabbos.
Says tomorrow.
I'm a virtual shabbos
my time I really
all.
I'm a virtual that's a
shabbos
it's muktza. But I'm a virtual shabbos
you take the meat out I don't want to
say freezer because okay people are
going to tell me it wasn't really healed
it's in the freezer. I don't know what.
You take it out of the refrigerator, but
it's meat that my official doesn't like,
but Jamie Azulay does.
So,
that meat is not muktza. Why? Cuz it's
really locked up. Listen, I'm with you.
I don't need I don't No. Tuna is one
thing, meat is another thing.
You know, it's interesting. Animals,
they eat it as I Okay, they just eat it
raw. They don't need any nothing.
Oh.
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So, the Gemara
So,
the public comes with a little and then
we're done with the sugar. We're
starting a brand new Mishnah,
interesting things about different
knives and stuff. So,
it says Reb Papa,
but sometimes we could reverse the
halachas. Both halachas will reverse.
Palm sugar and water.
You Sometimes when you shaft on Shabbos,
it's mutar for everybody. He go out of
jail and
all that's what he was asking. Oh,
yeah, cuz then what happens? Did you
pray? Yeah. What happens in the house
sick before Shabbos?
Then there's no more muktza.
Can enjoy my day.
But sometimes
even though it's the typically it's
mutar on Shabbos if you do it for a
So,
it's also cuts like glass. When you cook
something that was connected to the
ground on Shabbos, so that's how much
muktza and you're allowed to do it for
the but not for a healthy person. I'm
going to die.
So, what's the halacha? If you have a
who is a from before Shabbos,
then
it would be allowed for a a healthy
person in in a in a raw state, like just
to chew on it.
Compare to you. My time in the
because this is not muktza. Why is it
not mukta? Because I I designated for
the sick person. And the shchita was
completely for the sick person. Cuz you
cannot shecht a part of an animal. You
have to shecht the entire animal. You
could shecht the
choleh shcho. And I shechted it just for
the sick person. So maybe you're allowed
to take a ride on it, piggyback on his
shchita, and eat from it on Shabbos in a
raw state. But you can't cook it. Why
can't you cook it?
But don't try to piggyback on a sick
person, take advantage of a sick person.
A sick person Oh, yeah, I I made a pizza
for him on Shabbos. I'm going to have
some of the pizza. No way. Why? Because
because you might come to add
extra for yourself, and that's assur
obviously. And mamila, we just say
anything cooked on Shabbos for a sick
person, healthy people should not be
touching it.
What do we have here? We have a magel
yad. It's an interesting tool. It's
sharp on one side and it has like a saw
like like serrated on the other side.
So
you're allowed to use the magel yad on
the sharp side.
Not with the serrated side.
Batzar
Sorry, you see they made it interesting.
It's It's a stone. That's the top left
one. So akol shochtin, ulaylim shochtin,
ubakol shochtin, hakol ulaylim ubakol.
Which one is going to explain?
I Oh, I I did say bakana, but I didn't
explain it well. Ubakana. Bakana is a
reed.
A reed Yeah, cuz he started asking me a
question in the middle of that word.
Bakana is a reed. You slice a reed in
half, similar to what they have today,
the sachs on the mat. So it's a half a
kana. Very sharp sharp edges. Hakol
shochtin. Everybody could shecht.
Ulaylim shochtin. We have to know what
that means. Ubakol shochtin. And you
could shecht in every with every item.
It doesn't have to be a metal knife.
Chot bemagel kotzer. So what's a magel
kotzer?
Here. Magel kotzer has serrated blades,
but they go in one direction.
So the concern here is that you're going
to tear the the neck and not shaq the
neck. It has to be a nice smooth cut
and not
a tear.
The magera magera is the top one. It's
more like a saw also. Vashinayim teeth.
With a fingernail. What's the issue
What's the problem? Because it it tears
at the skin and it doesn't it doesn't
cut it doesn't cut smooth.
Says the gemara
It says that when you shaq
Again, this this idea of shaq
the
It says
If you did it with a magel yad, so you
after the fact it's okay. It doesn't say
you should shaq with a magel yad with a
sickle. It says if you do, then it's
okay. I
can understand why a sickle is no good.
The master
As you saw Benny holding it, it has two
sides. It has
the serrated side and has the smooth
side. So, very good that you're using
the smooth side, but you might one day
or a kid will see that you use that
sickle. He won't know that you did it
this way or that way. He'll use the
wrong side. But
why can't you use a stone or a reed?
You can do shaq in anything with
anything with a piece of glass with a
with a stone. It says before shaq the
stone says the gemara
Our
mishna that that that it says the eved
is talking about that it's attached to
the ground. When it's attached to the
ground, it's problematic.
It's not it's not the best thing. It's
okay after the fact. But when it's
completely detached, the stone that's
detached is good.
Rebbi Poisel. Rebbi says here it's
possel.
It says in the possel
You take it in your hand. So, when it's
when it's when it's connected, no good.
Rebbi
holds it's okay.
>> whether
It's like this that the animal's neck is
up and then the knife is down. Or the
animal's neck is down and the knife is
up.
money
because you just told me that according
to it's only after the fact.
Rebbe says it's completely possible.
So why you tell me it's 100% better?
Rebbe here says it's only after the
fact. And then and according to Rebbe
for sure it can't go because Rebbe
Rebbe here according to Rebbe in all
situations completely no good.
So how does this go? Rebbe
holds it's it's in the first place you
go ahead and shut like this not a
problem. So why is he arguing in a case
and then and it seems like he's talking
about after the fact? the
Rebbe to say that Rebbe is so severe his
sheet is so strong that he holds that
even not I hold yes but I wanted to
point out that Rebbe holds that
in no shape and form is the sheet okay.
Now
Rebbe here
money. But when the
our mission that says our sheet is which
seems like it's only after the fact.
Who does this go according to? Rebbe
Rebbe here Rebbe here
Rebbe
yeah same question. So Rebbe here
Rebbe here means even Rebbe
Rebbe here.
The mission that says our sheet that's
okay but the Rebbe Rebbe but the problem
is we just said Rebbe holds that Rebbe
is not good. How can you tell me the
mission says Rebbe holds that Rebbe is
good?
So what's the obvious answer? There's
a difference whether a read is still
attached to the ground and it never had
a
so to speak. It was always attached to
the ground. So may then even be the
evidence possible. But when you have a
knife that was once upon a time detached
and you put it into the wall with
cement, that's much easier. Even though
it's
right now, but it once upon a time it
wasn't.
How do you not to make such a
distinction? The sign
What's the Here we go. Beautiful. Check
this out. I would say.
There's a knife. It's a a knife on a
wheel. And he he has like a pedal. It's
like a machine.
Well, it says everything is kosher
kosher kosher.
But if there's a
a knife attached to to the wall, then
it's possible. What do you do?
On the one hand it's
on the one hand it's which one is it? I
would say no, obviously the difference
is shiny. The
difference is whether this is grew like
that. You have a read that came out of
the ground, so it's always
that's possible possible. But if you
have a knife that was once detached and
you attached it, then
it's kosher.
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