CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 13 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning, Morocco. >> [screaming] >> We're live in a Marrakech side street right in front of the L as Asma show. We're in the middle of a Sugya of whether or not a cotton could think in his mind and will have an effect on let's say a carbon. If he had a machshava kavana that this carbon should be a carbon, do we care? Does it make a difference? There's actually three possibilities. Possibility number one is that he takes action and he explains the action with words. It's machshava with with a ma'aseh. We call it a machshava, it's really a dibbur with a ma'aseh. That's for sure good. Then there's another one. There's just machshava, just a thought. Just a thought is no good. And then you have We have there's be some people that we don't really want in the picture, so you're going to have to be careful going this way. Okay. And then you have the in-between one. You have one that the the cotton takes action, but he doesn't explain what the action is. It's noticeable what he means. We think we understand what he wants, but it's not clear. So that's what the Gemara is discussing. The Gemara says like this. And I may amar Rabbi Elazar ben Azarya, we already discussed Rabbi Elazar wants to discuss this that when you are able to discern what his machshava is, he didn't explain it, but he did something. He already He already said that what the halacha is. What did he say? It's non hamala peiros of a gag miknei a kenima. So I'm going to show you a video. I don't have it with me. I'm going to push this button. Mark. And Ariel is going to show it. >> Min haTorah, fruits aren't mekabel tumah unless they were first motion the cover tumor. And there are three tonight that need to be in place in order for the fruits to be motion the cover tumor. First tonight that they shouldn't be in the cover the cover. Because as long as the pre is in the cover it's not in the cover tumor at all even if water fell in it. As the passage says The second tonight that one of the Shiva's machine should fall on them. Which are motion them the cover tumor. The third tonight that this should be saying about them. Because if water fell in it should lose tunnel it's not motion. As the passage says And only after the pre is polished with a cover and one of the Shiva's machine was put on it. Now the pre is motion the cover tumor. And if a double tumor was in the game it it becomes tumor. This is a famous Halacha in Shas and the guys did a phenomenal AI job on this. Beautiful. Mamish. Very little humor a lot a lot of shot. But high class and this is the Halacha of motion the cover tumor. What does it mean? We have a fruit you have a pre you have any kind of food it's not in the cover tumor unless you sprinkle it with water and you thought at the time that this is in order to be to unlock it and enable it to be in the cover tumor. Now if somebody takes fruit and puts it on a rooftop because it's wormy whatever and he wants the rain to come and wash it off that's not in the cover motion the cover tumor. You have to in mind that specifically [clears throat] for the have shower of the cotton tomb. So, when a person puts the fruit on the rooftop for a different reason, he puts it there because of the worms or whatever it is, that doesn't count. But, what if he switches his mind? He's an adult, he puts it on the roof for worms, and then he says, "You know what? I want it to be on the roof so that it rains on it and there'll be motion of the cotton tomb." That's good. But, what about when a cotton does the same thing? So, it says the right says in the Mishnah, it's not. I'm a little bit racist with the cotton and the cotton tomb because of these little worms or whatever you'll see it in the video. The yard line towel and then dew came on the roof. And I thought that's not part of the cotton tomb. In this cotton and cotton but if he had good intent, in other words, after he put it on the roof, I really meant cotton and that is good. How long has it gone? That's our case now. Somebody without that. A cotton showing the cotton. I have a piece of the cotton and cotton after he put it on the roof. The cotton thinks it's all I wanted to be motion of the cotton tomb. No, no good. So, what do you see from here? That the cotton's motion of the air. Cotton motion of the air. Doesn't count. We don't care about his motion of the air. I have a piece of the cotton and cotton and the cotton and the cotton and she has no mice so the animal has motion of the air. And we're holding and the next we'll go to the next place and we'll do it again. We're both here and we're here in the Sahara Desert. We're going to continue this year with some camels. We're about to go to gear time. We're going to learn some Torah over here. So, the more we're talking about whether a cotton has motion of the air or not. What does it mean? He do a mice of the air. Could he Wait a minute. Maybe I should take this off for a second. It's a little bit better. So, the Gamorah's the Gamorah says like this. Didn't Rebyochon discuss this before? So, Gamorah says like this. How he come in by a lay? There's a This is the Gamorah's question. The arise of the rabona. Yes, Rebyochon discussed it. But, I want to know is it full-fledged arise of meaning that I could use the cotton's machshava even when it creates a cooler? Or only, in other words, that I could say that it's a real carbon and cotton, or only could be machmir if they want. So, they could say, "Oh, this fruit, because of the machshava of the cotton, it's considered chiyuton, it's considered mushul to cable tuma, and it's now tamei, but that's only a chumer, that's only mid rabona." So, that was the Gamorah's question. To be continued. Okay. Reb Nachman by Yitzchak must be a chacha. The whole sugia, but just in a little different way. So, all the camels over there meanwhile, you don't need to look at me. Omar Reb Chiya bar Abba boy Reb Yochanan. Cotton, yesh li ma'aseh o yesh li ma'aseh. Same question that Reb Yochanan asked before, whether or not when you take action that's obvious what you're doing, but the cotton didn't explain it, didn't articulate himself. Let's say with the aylah, he's making aylah, but we don't know exactly what he what he's doing. He took it from the south to the north. Omar lay Omar lay Reb Abba, "Maybe you should be a ba'al machshava." Similar to what we said before, but the opposite. Why don't you ask me about machshava? What are you asking me about ma'aseh? Ma'aseh machshava, why are you asking why why machshava you didn't ask me? The way you give me by the way That's my first mission. My son Ami. Look at the boy like this now. Yes, the master. The same mission tells tells you that there's a master and that there's no master. My son Ami look at the boy like this now. So tomorrow like just like we said before the shala is the right the rabona. Do we say that it's the right and you could even be make all of it or it's only the rabona and then just a little hack mirror. So it's just to go back. I don't even know what we were saying on the camel over there. So we'll go back three lines just in case I missed a word or two. So the boy says like this. Once again, this is the second that we had it. The main question we have if a cotton when he does an act that there's no deeper or no explanation. Do we say that we use it even in a the right sir situation where you have to use this as a cooler or only in a the rabona situation we use it as a cooler. It's not a big Everybody could be a master. The constant to be a maker and to say hey, you could use this kid's carbon it shut up carbon and to say that you use it and it's a good oil. You don't have to bring another one. That's a tremendous and that was the question. Can I even use it in a situation where you have to be maker or no just the rabona. Okay, you master to say that something is coming is not a big lick. And what do we come out with? Yes, my sir. That there is my sir my dear right sir. Meaning that if let's say the animals in the south and the kid says I'm taking this animal to the north so I could shut it for carbon that even with the right sir I'm going to use his deborah his his mice that has an explanation. But when there's no explanation like putting the fruit on the roof and the kid decided that he wants to use that the water as a match then it's not going to work. But in the third case, so let's talk about all three cases just as a wrap it up. These are the three cases. Mice and deborah we said that even with the right so works so it's green. Mice and deborah just a mice and deborah by itself nothing zero. Now when you have a mice that is mu that's the blue one. It's so obvious from what he's doing that he's trying to accomplish something even though he didn't explain it. He didn't articulate it. It's still then what do we have here? Mice and deborah and mice and deborah so like he brings this animal from the south into the north without explaining with the right so in my with the right so so that you can't use with the right so why cuz he didn't explain with the right so on you could you could use in the martial what's a good martial like you took the fruit on the rooftop and flipped it over. He flipped the fruit over. Why is he flipping fruit over? What is he crazy? He has a bunch of apples 100 apples he went to every apple and did a a 180 on it. Uh 180 or 90? A 180 did a 180. Why would he take every apple and flip it over? Because he wants the water to hit all sides. The middle that's a heater. Another question. If a guy is shacking around animals in the but has zero intent for coaching, zero intent that he should do shita like the situation with the with the knife let's say through the knife shoe possible. How do you know it's no good? The guy is going to bring us two sukkum. And the guy is going to explain why we need two. You have to have intent for this carbon. Like I mean I ain't slaughter view were at the Hebrew chair remember? We're in that tent over there. What's the guy's questioner? Like I mean I So those of you who are with us for the Zevachim and Menachos know that one possible is not enough in coaching. When it comes to coaching you need two possible. Why? Yeah, that's funny it stops. When the Torah repeats itself twice, that means the Torah is serious and you have to do as is. What's the second possible? It should be to your rotten with your does. That's how you should do it. That's how you Great. So here's the question my boys I We have a guy and you're standing there as a meeting you watch him shack. Is it good shita or not? A lot of people were fooled by this question. Can a guy shack while you stand there and you watch him and you make sure he doesn't do shiya and he doesn't do drisa and you save a sham matzah. You do the whole the small thing. It says the Mishnah shita is not curry the vela. The shita of a a idol worshiper is considered literally an available whether you're the standing there and watching him or not. His actual shita is a terrible thing. It makes it an available. But only an available. What's worse than an available? I mean the Zara. Who made the time have a muscle since we consider it a completely available and I want to repeat this. I want to repeat this again and again because I feel that a lot of people get confused. Even though I repeated it a few times in the last few days, I think it's good that I repeat again so you can tell your friends, remind them. Go to show and tell them. A dead horse, a dead horse, and a dead cat, and a dead dog, they're all metama. They have to metama nevala. People get confused and they say, "Oh, the shmona shratzim are metama." Yeah, they're also metama. So, what's shmona shratzim? What's special about shmona shratzim is that these small What do we call them in English? Creatures, insects. Creatures? Insects. No. No, a rat is not an insect. Reptiles and creatures, there's only eight of them that are metama. So, some of them are not metama. Like a frog is not metama. A toad is. There's certain things that are not metama. Yeah. So, a dead cow is just like a dead horse, just like a dead dog, and a dead cat. Metama, metama, metama, metama be massa. If you carry it, you become tummy. Nevala answers the Gemara, it's not allowed. Wait a minute, you just told me that if a idol worshiper shakes, it only is limited to the issue of nevala and it makes you tummy, but it's not as severe as avodah zara that makes it also to even benefit from it to sell it. Matana, who's the tara? Or like do you have a laser? If it's a laser, all my stomach shakes so they can call him avodah zara. If it goes like a laser, he says, "No, any idol worshiper that shakes, you cannot benefit. You you sell the thing. Now, listen to this. What does it mean? There's an incredible khidush in this line of Gemara. Especially you folks, oh, maybe you're reading from the from the official edition, so you have the English. But you know what it says here in this Gemara? It's not as simple as it says. Again, we'll read the words. "Amar stam machshavos avodah zarah when a when an idol worshiper has a machshava, it's lav avodah zarah." You know what that means? That means that he even if a Jew shochets the non-Jew's machshava goes into the shechita and it becomes the kurevis of avodah zarah. He has the right, since he's the owner of this animal, he has the right to decide this animal is avodah zarah. And he didn't do the shechita. The Jew did the shechita. No good. Next, Rebbi Meir omer. Rebbi Meir doesn't really argue. He says, "Hachi idani." Let's read it differently. "Ha shechitas noch in a veila." "Ho d'mein if it's a person." A regular non-Jew that's a idol worshiper I don't care about. His shechita is not avodah zarah. But if you have a min, a min is the next level. A min is somebody that loves avodah zarah. And we're talking about somebody that's Jewish. And a guy that's Jewish that does avodah zarah lav avodah zarah. Everything he thinks he's a frummer. He's mamash a frummer when it comes to this stuff. And every everything he touches avodah zarah. Sheim avodah zarah al piv, unfortunately. Everything he does is avodah zarah avodah zarah. And a mailo we have some interesting halachas. Al last the oilam, I I I forgot. I only asked it in the Hebrew. It's a riddle that you know, so you can't answer. It's for the people online. In what situation do you take the Shem Hashem and burn it? Now, if I would ask you what in what situation you take the Shem Hashem and you erase it with water, then everybody knows that's a psak din. But in what situation do you burn it? Burn the name of Hashem, Yud Kay Vav Kay, you're allowed to burn it. Not only you're allowed to burn it, you have to burn it. And the answer is, as we're going to see here, the Gemara says, Tanya Rabbanan, shchitas min, you have a Jew that's completely off, a kofer, la'avoda zara, you should know that his shchita is la'avoda zara, pitoy pas cuti. In other words, you can't benefit from it. His bread is the worst of the worst. You can't call it pas palter or, you know, regular bread that cuz there's a concept called pas palter, which means bread of a non-Jew that's that's baked commercially. There's It's not assur like like a bread of a a bread of a cuti. Yeah, this pas cuti is the worst bread. And the issur is for kasherness. We don't want to intermarry, we don't want to get friendly with them. What's he living on this earth for? What's he thinking when he makes this bread? No, no, not the bread. Time out. Let's go back. That's for the shchita. The shchita is la'avoda zara. I'm shocheting this carbon to like just like a Jew would shochet to the guy to Hakadosh Baruch Hu, he shochets it to the to the idol. Then so what's wrong with the pas? His pas What's not nothing wrong with the pas as much as kasherness kasherness. The intermarrying That's that's the that's what's wrong with the pas. Because we treat him in the in the worst in the He's Jewish and he's the worst of the worst. This guy is an avoda zaranik from top to bottom. We got to be We got to be super careful from there. If you try to If you eat his bread, before you know it, you're marrying his daughter and before you know it, you're working for him in the in the in the avoda zara business. Yayin no, yayin nesekh. And his yayin is unbelievable. Now, listen to to This is Listen to this everybody say. Sfarim his the safer Torah Nevi'im u'Kesuvim are burnable. You Not burnable, you must burn them. Is the safer Torah written with a Shem with Shem Hashem? You take the safer Torah put it in a fire. That's what you do. Crazy stuff. Sifrei Kodesh man it's like the books of Sifrei Kodesh man they're like books of of of of of the Torah that was written with Shem of the Torah. Even though it's a real safer Torah every word is perfect as a beautiful ktav. He's a top sofer. But we treat it as a Torah form and they must be burned. Pri Eitz Chaim and its fruit we consider it tevel issur to eat them without trumah u'ma'aser. Mi yashir amrim? Av bon av mamzerim. We have to be concerned that his children are mamzerim. Why? Because his wife is hefker. He couldn't care less what his wife does. The Tanna Kamma ishto lemafkir. No, no. There's one thing about a person who's who's not shomer Torah u'Mitzvos but that doesn't mean that he he's mizazel in his wife and he lets his wife be hefker. Amar Mar Shmuel Shchitas Nochri neveilah. The shchita of idol worshipers considered neveilah. As the Gemara brings in the name of Rav Menachem bar Simai. we concerned that perhaps he's a person that really does strong avodah zarah and it's more than just a neveilah it's also bad no. Amar Ravina amar Rav Huna bar Rav Yehoshua ein min umos ha'olam minin. The reason is because we don't have people that are frummers today. As the Gemara brings in the name of Rav Kahana what do you mean? There's a lot of priests there's a lot of people that are very devout. And they think about avodah zarah even at night. And their shchita would be towards avodah zarah. Says the Gemara ein rov umos minin. We're going to go with the rov. Most people what comes to mind is people that I know in the United States so I don't know if that's everywhere and I don't know I'm just for a few people. The a lot of Christians, Catholic they're not very strong like the the previous generations. They're the weak. They go to church. They on Sunday stand what? Like like reform used to go like um No, no, they call them today what do they call them in the Jew would be a um Masorti maybe. Not traditional. It's light. Light. Catholic light. The these are these are schnicks are are they're not they're not the real thing. Why? They do it out of habit. Hello. The minute minute the minute of his saying him be a day and they have a minute. This is what they do. They don't know why they do it. They don't know how they do it. They do it, but it's not it's not for real. It's not like they have this mashup every time they shut down an animal the show of the Zara. Okay. So, what does this mean? So, now he's not repeating what we just said even even though it sounds the same words. What he's saying is the halachas of the the men the guy that does of the Zara in the nations the the the the guy you should mean has different halachas. What does that mean? Obviously, if a Jew who's a men his shita's terrible like of the Zara, so guy that's a guy and that's of the Zara certainly should be a problem. Hello, this is incredible halacha. It's so incredible we did a video for it. Hello my reading that if a guy is a min you could you could not only you don't have to save him, you can actually throw him into the pit. If you could knock out the the Jew that's a min by a certainly I don't worship him. All my no. Not it's not that you let that it came to tell us that you let us throw him into the pit cuz that's that you can learn from the Jew. But the is that I can accept a carbon from him where I cannot here's a situation where a guy is in a better position than a Jew. I can accept the carbon from a min guy a guy that's over Zara but not from a Jew. This is how you I can take a carbon from some of you not all of you not somebody that's off. But only from you I've only done this between you and the min and but not not in the nations when they have a min somebody that's over you let you let accept the carbon from them. This is the min my Who told you maybe it's the opposite maybe I could be something else. This is the that's okay. But when it comes to the Jews only take from people that are not over from not from the shot. But it comes to the non-Jews don't take at all. Don't take at all. Don't take at all. No that can't be why let's look at that shouldn't even enter your mind. The sign your ish my time ish ish why okay ish a man but why two ish? The rabbis we all know the difference between another and another another is Jew meaning I point to this animal specifically this animal is what I'm going to bring as a carbon so if this animal dies I'm not going to bring anything. Another means I am going to bring a animal. So, if this animal dies, I'm going to bring another one. A guy could do both, another and an Adava. Next Sugya, Umetameh Maasah. And since when when this does Shchita, it's an Avelah, so it gives off Tumah like an Avelah. Bemaasah, Shchita what's the Chiddush? K'ein Avelah Umetameh Maasah. Obviously, it's an Avelah, it goes hand in hand. That's how it gives off Tumah, Bemaasah, when you carry it. Maasah is the lowest level. There's something that's even more than that. What could give Tumah more than an Avelah? Huh? The Kever Avodah Zarah. Avodah Zarah is the worst of the worst. That what? According to this one Man Omer, if you have a piece of Avodah Zarah meat in the corner, this entire tent will become will be Tameh. Literally, ah, what a kiss from a Sham where an Ohel. We're an Ohel. Oh, let's show the Ohel. Yesh Rashi Umetameh Afilu B'Ohel. And there's something that if a Min Shochets, then the the entire Ohel, the entire tent becomes Tameh. There's a Zuta Kever Avodah Zarah. Vei Zu, Zu d'Kever Avodah Zarah. This is Avodah Zarah. Okay, Rebbi Yishmael Omer this goes according to Rebbi Yishmael. Rebbi Yishmael says something the opposite. Omer Rebbi Akiva Zuta Bemaasah U'Shchita Zu. Not that there's something that's different, there's something that's just like it. That what? We hold that the Kever Avodah Zarah is not Tameh B'Ohel. Sh'metameh Maasah V'einam Metameh B'Ohel. An Avelah is only Metameh when you pick it up. It's not Metameh if you put a dead horse in this in this tent, and somebody's on the other side of the tent, he doesn't become Tameh. That's only if there's a human being, a dead human being in here. Or, according to Rebbi Yishmael, a an animal that was Shochet l'Avodah Zarah. But this Man Omer says no. You're not Metameh even Avodah Zarah. Vei Zu, Vei Zoi, Zoi d'Kever Avodah Zarah that it's not Metameh B'Ohel. U'd'lo K'Rebbi Yishmael, not like Rebbi Yishmael. This Man Omer says review them I am not allowed to grab the sword she time while. The lawyer says how do I know that's my time while? The reason why the lawyer says that is because he just discussed that one relieves himself in front of it. The Yolo what they eat they eat meat and what do we call the meat? Ziv Mason The Zev of a dead person. My Mason time while after of a desire while it's similar to a Mason. Now let's learn the Mishnah. Says the Mishnah the lawyer the king has assumed that the chair. If you share the night it's okay. What's the problem with sharing a night? The problem is you can't really see. What can you see? Can't see the same one whether or not you share the right most of the same one. Oh, the lawyer is going to talk about a light now. But it seems like it's only with the evidence not a good thing to do. The king has assumed that the blind man who shared the chair with the evidence points out immediately and we're only doing these six lines. The lawyer the evidence lawyer it seems like you shouldn't do it. Very meaning but why not? It says lawyer he should only he could only share the lawyer the lawyer the lawyer the lawyer you could share the night. What's the problem? So that's the question. Now just to finish off the question says very there's a problem sharing on top of roof. It might you might be doing it for the Zoro very you doing it for the gods of the ocean. The lawyer says over here that you're allowed to do it if you're in the middle of the ocean and you need to eat meat. So the lawyer says what do you mean but it's the lawyer you can't so the lawyer explains lawyer that it's a talking about where it's obvious and the lawyer pointed it out it's obvious that he's sharing it because you want to eat and not because you're doing it for the Zoro. But what lawyer meant to say is that he's spilling it sharing it on the bow, on the on the the other side of the ship. It goes down the other side of ship. And it's obvious that he doesn't want the blood in the ship. That's why he's doing it like that. But to do it over the water, extend his hand over the water, it would be ossur d'oraita. A couple of people want to question. You see from here that you're allowed to shuck at night, even l'chatchila. So why are you telling me and why does the mission seem like it's only b'dieved, only after the fact? We're talking about when there's a light. Turn on the light. Mamish a kiss from Hashem. Omer Rav Ashi d'Ika nami. I'll prove it to you. And Rav Ashi, this Rav Ashi has done this many times in Shas. A d'Ika nami. And it could be I I I'm just throwing this out cuz he wrote Shas, so he felt like he wants to prove it from the Mishnah. Says the Tani Hasam d'Ika nami. Over there, what is it saying in that braisa? Bain ba'yom, bain ba'layla. So let's put them in the same category. What is they have that night doesn't have? Light. So the night is like the day. The night has light. How? You turn on a switch. Or you put on a candle in those days. But it's talking about a night that's similar to the day, cuz it says them together. Yom u'layla. So just like the day has light, so too But let's talk about our Mishnah. So that that braisa is talking about l'chatchila. In the first place I can go ahead and shuck if I have a light. If I have a shlachta that has beautiful fluorescent lighting, LED lighting everywhere, so I can shuck just like I can shuck during the day. Not even a problem. It's not even a a beginning of a problem. Where does it become a problem? When you don't have light. The halacha in our Mishnah d'Ika suma. A blind man never has light, unfortunately. He's always blind. So when it says in the Mishnah that he's shucking at night, it means in the dark. And there's a problem, cuz then you don't see that he did rove tzimadam. Shma mina. Rabbosai, have a wonderful day and enjoy the night in the desired desert in your tech tents. >> [music] >> Merit this class of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today at mdy.sponsor.com [music] or [email protected].