CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 109 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. Here we go. We're holding 13 lines from the bottom of some of the B. We have to finish up the of it's actually if you get into it, I'm telling you it's very very gishm. Then we have a easy suga of the milk that's inside an udder. What do you do? The blood that's inside the heart with a little bit of a actually. Okay. So now the says that this this concept that we learned yesterday concept is what does means that if you do squeeze out the milk somehow you're able to take the milk out of the piece of meat. You have a piece of meat that's cooking and a a drop of milk fell into the piece of meat. Are you able to take the the milk out? And if you could take the milk out means that the piece of meat becomes 100% mut as if it never happened that even if you squeeze it as much as you can and you pulled everything out, it remains forever. It remains a Here's a little bit of a Here's two drafts of milk. One falls into one piece, one falls into the other. One is according to the mut and the other one is sir. Here you go. >> [music] >> So that's a but even if you pulled out all the milk it still remains means Even if you pulled out the he pulled out the milk, it's motor. So now we have whether or not it's whether or not the piece goes back to where it was. One drop of milk fell on top of a piece of meat. Rashi said the piece of meat was sticking outside of the chunk. Let's say once it imparted flavor into the piece of meat the meat itself becomes an ison something like this. No. Oh, that's not a good Okay. No, no, not that one. Fine. Something else. Forget that. All right, babe. Okay, that's just to show that the the piece itself became an aa meaning that it has the ability to to give trafe to the to other pieces of meat because they're all the same type. So one piece of meat that gets mixed in with other pieces of meat. So one piece of meat that is tra because it has baser it has in it became so that piece of meat goes to the other pieces and ruins everything else says the say it's not until there's enough milk in all the pieces in an entire child until you taste the flavor everywhere. If the milk falls into one piece, it doesn't make everything a user. And the Gmorra goes on to explain. This is the line that we're going to be dealing with until the Mishna. Basically, so if we pause here for a second, think for a second on our own without anything. If a piece of milk, if a drop of milk falls onto a piece of meat and you start mixing it or you don't mix it, what's more of a spire to say that the milk dissipates and becomes nothing? It's what's more of a to say that the milk actually attaches itself and does something negative. If you don't mix it at all, does the milk go into the meat and make something negative or it's it'll just uh dissipate in the rest of the ch if you don't mix it. >> Huh? >> More like >> more likely that what it would >> that it would affect it. Very good. It's more likely that if you don't mix it, the milk that goes into that piece of meat will affect that piece of meat. Then what happens afterwards then depends. If you holder then that piece of meat never becomes kosher and that piece of meat affects the rest of the path. And if you hold then it's possible that even that piece of meat became affected later on the milk will come out of it through boiling through cooking and that piece of meat is mut and it won't affect the rest of the path. But that's the difference of but if you right away go ahead and start mixing. So that piece that drop of milk never had the ability to attach itself to that piece of meat. And now that little drop of milk became bottle in a thousand. The entire chunk whatever you're you're cooking over there is going to destroy that that that drop of milk. Therefore says it depends whether or not it was mixed again. So we have to remember basically the entire sug we're only talking about the first piece. Our focus is on the first piece. What happens afterwards? That's a that's a that's a discussion number two. But the first piece does become us or not. Riuda holds that the first I'd like that the first piece becomes user like he said he didn't cover the pot. He didn't or he didn't mix it. In other words, the milk. It's very very simple. Oh, the milk has the ability to attach itself to one piece of chunk. In your chunk, you have small pieces of meat this big. Two drafts, a drop of milk falls on one piece. It destroys a piece of meat. Why? Cuz I didn't mix it. So, I hold when I didn't mix it that piece becomes say that the first piece does not become when I started mixing it. here. Something like this. You have a piece of milk that that it should if I go like this. I start mixing it. Then it then then it dissipates. It disappears. Oh, it becomes green. If I started mixing right away. So now the emergence goes into another step. What does it mean? I didn't mix it. piece of cloud. Maybe he didn't mix it at all. Something like this. So if he didn't if he didn't mix it at all, then why would it why would it spread? There's no reason for it to spread. There's no mix. So we have to say that he didn't mix it right away but he mixed it at the end or not to get confused. It's one thing basically there's not >> no no hold on a sec. It does it does absorb the says it's not going to come out and make other pieces. No, I was talking about the one piece. The one piece. The one piece. I said the one where the the first piece becomes >> that's in that picture. >> Spreads it. >> Okay. But if you didn't spread in the that's the main piece because it's sticking out of the rot. It the rot is what spreads it. It because the only sits there. You don't mix it >> like in this picture. You see this picture over here? The the milk is on top. Sets on top. Yeah, that's another thing. That's step two. That's step two over here. Step one. Let's talk about step by step over here. Step one, you have this piece. It got a bunch of milk and it itself becomes zer. At least the part that the milk uh is absorbed in >> that hit >> that hit. But the rest of the the rest of the pot doesn't have the ability to to spread because you didn't mix it yet. So what happened in the beginning? You didn't you didn't mix it. So you gave it the opportunity to to become infected by the by the milk. Now it became a piece of then you gave it a nice stir. It's the same thing basically. It's two two ways to make this work. Yeah. I'm not focusing on the covering of the path. Let's talk about the mix. It's the same thing. or just like it absorbed, it also spits it out. Once it spits it out in a giant p of ch, now you can't even discern the taste. You don't feel the taste. It's one drop of milk in a giant p of ch. >> It affected one piece of meat, but once you stir it, doesn't the flavor go out of that piece of meat into the rest of the chunk? And now you can't even taste it. You can't taste the You can't taste the milk. If you can't taste the milk, nothing should beer. Not even the first piece. And therefore, you see from here, you see that the first piece remains even if the flavor comes out of it. Even if you squeeze it out of it, in other words, you cook it out of it by cooking the you see that the first piece remains. So, we have one mandar that holds Reb is talking about oh I like this but it seems like would hold that if you if you just sit there and you mix it from the beginning to the ender it is why am I why would it be if it you never gave it a chance to absorb says the only you're right. If in fact he mixed it the whole time he stirred from beginning to end, it shouldn't be. It never had a chance to absorb the evenuda. But the reason why says it's because we're concerned that he might not do it properly. Maybe he didn't stir right away. He didn't stir. So that's why heers. But you're right. It was in a blender going like this the whole time. It never had a chance to go to to affect one piece even and therefore the whole thing would be now let's see the other we saw we tried to say that we saw one says I like says I like when you mixed it what does it mean and that's exactly how we ted up a second ago in and that's what I like in that that's exactly what you said a second ago that I like piece of remains. So I can't say we're talking about that he mixed it at that even in a case where he only mixed it at [clears throat] even the first piece would be why is the first piece be because of this concept that once the the milk comes out then the original piece is completely mutter. Okay. So now we have one and one answer to the end of the to the new simple question. There's no mention here of not I hold also we're understanding the arguing in maybe it's a completely different what what could possibly be the other very similar do I hold what happened first of all here let's just throw this this is what the said that we're talking about near I like says I like ribbuda when they didn't mix He didn't mix it then everything becomes awesome and I like where he mixed it or or he covered it then what happens it becomes what motor if there was a mix then the [music] then it becomes green okay fine at the end it becomes green so who told you You're going a little far here. What does mean when it's means that the first piece of meat becomes awesome. Maybe everybody holds the first piece of meat becomes awesome. I'm just showing you this picture. Let's say maybe the centerpiece that got the milk everybody holds is officer. Forget the question is does it go to other pieces as well? If you hold also who holds in all excuse me so it spreads everywhere say it doesn't spread everywhere. Yeah, maybe that's the Well, that's a problem because what does Rebi say? What's the I'm just saying the terrorists now Reb's gonna say if it if it's like this if it's going to spread because I hold it's going to spread and what do I hold like if this first piece is not well that's not the you just told me if this first piece is that holds everything becomes say it's not so you can't hold like both of them now if that first piece is You pick pick or choose. You want to hold like you want to hold like you all like then everything becomes just what you want to say if this first piece does become then I hold that everything is that's a that's a different you can't say I hold like I again we want to say that the is in this case where this piece became red came red what what the hold the whole pot becomes also what say the whole pot is green says The whole pot is red. Say the whole pot is green. What does Rebi say? Rebi says I hold like this and I don't hold and I hold like that. What's like this and like that. >> Near says says Rebi. When there's no mix, I hold like like uh like when there is a mix I hold like if there's a mix then that piece is not red. Then that piece is green. So you shouldn't say I hold like and I hold like it's a question of is the piece is the first piece red or green in it depends I hold when the first piece is red then it spreads everywhere and if the piece is not red if the first piece is not user then it doesn't spread nothing to do with not in here >> yes >> it's it's a little >> we cannot be that it doesn't make sense to say the words the words don't work well >> correct >> if the if the first piece is 100% oser I could either say that it's the whole p becomes or I could say it doesn't but it has nothing to do with mixing once I mix it then the first piece is not user it never became so it's not a question of like we're talking about the other cases when the first piece is green we're talking about listen holds that the first piece is green if there's a mix that has nothing to do with that is just even rebut might be to that says so let's see inside and then we're at the mish in this case when the first piece is is read and then the whole entire thing becomes even what I'm sorry even if this piece is red it'll become bottle [snorts] that Doesn't make sense that that's whether or not it's not >> that's not and is whether or not the first piece could become or not. So it depends. The first piece becomes motor if you mix it and the first piece doesn't become motor if you don't mix it. You're talking about the first piece if you didn't mix it. I like if you did mix it I like but if you hold the first piece is 100% and the question is whether the rest of the pot becomes so then the focus have nothing to do with this case it's whether or not in the case of mixing if you mixed it then is out and if you didn't mix it is in but it's nothing to do with yaldic says the that's it end the story. So obviously the over here is whether or not and we're going to stick with that. So we have when it comes to to the milk of a cow we have three stages. We have the stage of the milk that comes out of the cow while the cow is alive. And if you cook that with meat, what is that called? You have milk that comes out of the cow after the cow is dead. And that's only and they have milk that's in the itself and that's so says the Mishna. It is fascinating to to to see this the Mishna. I think this is a classic case of a Mishna. Why? There are two avarim two limbs two >> organs. >> Organs that's a better word. Two organs that are very problematic in an animal. the uter and the heart. The uter has contains a lot of milk and is also and the heart contains a lot of blood and also >> liver is slightly not as much as a heart. The heart has literally liquid heart >> is all blood. >> It is all blood. It's a different type of blood. I'm talking about >> it's like it's congealed blood. This is liquid blood. Not only that it has liquid blood from the at the time. As the goes and it comes around to this very problematic. So what do you do? You want to eat the heart. You want to eat the you have to rip it, tear it. The gar says you do a like a plus sign. Cut it from top to bottom, right to left. And you remove the milk. before you cook it. Obviously, if you didn't do it, what does this mean? You don't get like a big history, you shouldn't do it. The the fact is the is going to tell us you're allowed to do it. You're allowed to eat it. So, the needs explanation. Why do you write it in such a way? Now, look at this. If you follow these words, it's a word for word of the What did it say before? You remove you you cut it in a certain way and you remove all the blood. But if you didn't know now, very super important. What heart are we talking about? That of a chicken. It's only that of chicken. How do they know? Cuz Rashi says talking about chicken. I just want to point something out that the wording of this mission is identical. The top and the bottom, the first line and the last line, the the uter and the heart. Yet they have very different alas in the garra. Meaning that a lot of times the gar the Mishna preferred to write something that's easy to remember. It flows better for the memory because all the were done rather than changing up the and making it more complicated even though it's more complicated for us to understand that there's very different one is you're eat one you get a you get it's for you to eat but it's brought down in the same so we have the first rav two raves say the opposite of this that you that you as gonna explain. We're talking about it's uh it's roasted it's 100%. The problem is later on you're going to see from the suga that when you cook it is problematic. Why is it problematic? >> Because remember the three stages there's milk that comes out of the animal when it's alive. There's milk that comes out of the animal when it's dead and there's milk that's stuck in the udder that's 100% motor. But if you cook it, what happens to the milk? It goes out >> and then it goes back in. But once it goes out, it's already out and that should be it seems like from the any kid that reads the will see you're not going to get for this. It seems like there's just not says you should know it's 100% the is funny. We're talking about the heart of a chicken only. Why a heart of a chicken? Because the heart of a chicken has less than a kazay's blood in it. But a heart of an animal large animal has more than kaz problematic. So the heart of a chicken you have to rip it up and remove the blood. by a heart. If you eat it like that without doing it, you're interesting. No, the is confusing. It it's it's not it's not accurate. It's the is there. So, it should be easy to remember, but you have to know the difference. You as know that when the mission says in the means and in the means you get for eating the blood. You have to know the difference between milk and blood. Big difference. It gives you another step in this braz. If you didn't tear the heart, tear it afterwards. Cut it afterwards. And then it's motor. Why is it? I didn't mention it before. I should mention it here. The way the heart is, the heart is very smooth. So it doesn't really absorb blood when when when you cook it. So therefore, you could actually cut it after you cooked it. And don't worry about the blood that was absorbed in the cooking because it doesn't absorb. Says there's another step when it comes to the heart. Why does it say only by the heart? It says after you cook it, cut it open. Get rid of the blood. It doesn't say by uh by the udder. After you cook it by mistake, cut it open. Remove the the the milk. Why not? Because it's water. >> What's the other option? Because it's It won't help if you cut open the uter. And maybe the not that the heart is worse than the udder. The heart is better than the uter. The heart has a a solution after the problem. You have a problem that you cooked it by mistake. You know what? I'll tell you what to do. Cut it open. Get rid of the blood. You could eat it. Avocado is not going to be creative. If you make a mistake by a udder, there's nothing you can do about it. Not that it's you don't have to do it. You can't do it. It's not going to help. You already cooked up the milk in the in the bus or it's totally bad. Maybe that's the Now we have a freebie. M is a freebie because it's the same thing just in the reverse. So everything we just all the everything we just read in reverse. What's the first line of the first line in the go to the top of the if you cook the in milk you're not at all. Now we have something completely opposite the same it's not to do it in the first place now we're going to use the same everything we had before we're just going to use it against us for us I have a it says in our says from the simple this makes more sense seems from the mission that you are you're right. No, no, no. There's no but I want to mimic the I want the same lotion to be. I want to be easy to to read. By the heart there is so that's why I wrote in such a language I wrote it in the same language even though it's not true. By the heart is is by the otter there's no against what I just said against rav says that if you cook the you are so just want to make sure okay you tear it and you take out the milk if you didn't tear it what do you do with the heart if You cooked it. I have what's a better word than solution? I have a remedy. >> A remedy. I have a remedy to the problem. Like after you cook it then it's says [clears throat] why does say that's also to do? It seems like only a heart is a problem because a heart has a remedy. Uh otter doesn't even need a remedy says the gamar. No not that a otter doesn't need a remedy. daughter that remedy wouldn't help it. The remedy works for the heart. We have a like the first way said that what that is 100% in the first place you go ahead and cook a udder. Why? Because the milk never left the uterely you can just go ahead and cook it with the meat. It says that if you cook it you're allowed to eat the whole dish. The whole bus of is 100%. What does that mean? We're talking about a calf. We're talking about a baby cow that nurses the So where's the milk? The milk is in its intestines. Also, check this out. Seven and a half years ago, I read this in the and I remember being very super from it and it made a big rush on me. There's a problem when a a calf nurses and takes that milk into its body. Where where does it go? There's four stomachs. There's a b there's the basis, the hems, the keris, and the >> the cao. >> Yes. >> The problem is the the first two stomachs are are are made to digest grass. >> In its entire life, it eats grass and who knows what. and it takes grass and makes it into whatever softens it up and then it's malagerra. It goes back up. If you put milk in there, it'll destroy the milk. It's not meant for something that that uh that liquidy and that um adin uh >> delicate. It's too delicate. It's not a piece of it's not a wood. It's not grass. It would literally destroy it. >> For what? The stomach. >> No, destroy the milk. the milk have would have no nutrition, no nutritional the enzymes in the basis will destroy the milk. >> It's still like a little baby still, right? >> You're talking about a baby. >> Baby doesn't have what it takes to destroy it. >> So, I'm telling you what happens. There's a special valve in the in the in the in the animal that when it drinks milk, it bypasses the first two stomachs, goes to the third and fourth stomach directly. >> Here it looks something like this. Yoshi did this. I asked him whatever we discussed this here. These are the first two. Instead of going there, it bypasses it completely. Look, mamish looks like the basic kis in the hems >> and goes directly into this thing. Now you you sh this baby animal and you find a whole pouch full of milk in the cave. That's what's the difference? Why is it different than if it sits in a in an udder? It looks very much like an otter. What's the difference? Why is there a difference? Says because when once it exits the mother animal that's the problem. It it exited the mother through the nursing then it becomes assur. That's the problem. And now it went to another bag. It's another bag. It's already outside of the animal. But if it's in the otter, that's that's where it's motor. How do you tear it? What's the What's the thing? Like a plus sign. You throw it against the wall. You slam it against the wall. Tells if you do the and we roast it. You roast it, I'm gonna eat it. What's the big to eat it? You don't eat both of them. Why? Cuz when you roast it, then the milk comes out of it. Anytime you put a a burger on a on a grill, what happens? The blood, the fat, whatever comes out of it. Doesn't go into it. When you cook it, it has the opportunity to mix in and go back into it. Not when you roast. You don't need the talk about says famous famously was wife some interesting stories in about her called whatever the answer there's something opposite it that's so if you want to taste the you could taste you could taste if you said it's also to to drink blood. You want to taste blood? It's in liver. He asked her to dam. There's a situation where a woman with dam is mut after she gives birth depends girl boy two weeks after even if even if there's dam she's 100% motor which is to me that was interesting because nothing changed really in the woman but okay I want woman with you want to you want to taste it's also to eat no said of is motor. You want Yeah. All you have to do is eat the brain of of a fish called the mamish tastes the same. Gus, it's a type of bird. You want to taste a bird. The tongue of a fish tastes mameish like you're allowed to marry a woman who's divorced even though her husband's still alive. That's says what about a sister-in-law also I have to understand me personally not everybody has the chance to have like okay fine I mean you see over here this it kind of explains why you could have a no I want as a not that person as a as Yeah. The first. So now tells but I want I want to taste where is that? I didn't see it in the restaurant. Tells his uh chef he has a chef has a chef. tells his chef, "Go take the daughter, roast it on the coals, and let her have it. It's possible. Have a wonderful day. [music and singing] >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or sponsor at mdy.com.