CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 108 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] Good morning. We're holding the good news is we have a very short today. You're allowed to take meat and cheese, meat and dairy, and put them into one bag. We'll call it one plastic bag. Make sure they don't touch each other because if they touch each other then some of the fats of one will go into the other. You'll cook it. It won't be a good thing. A lot of these we're familiar with. And this is the source right over here. So what do you do? This kid wants to eat pizza and I want to eat meat. What do you do? So that these are the right over here. So first says the if you have two people that don't know each other as going to explain two guests sitting on a hotel table they don't know each other each one could eat their own cuz since they don't know each other one is not going to go over and and then take a piece of pizza from the other guy without you know it's it's not a normal thing. So he'll eat his pizza, he'll eat his meat, and there's no problem. Says, "So what if they're in the same bag and they touch each other who two cold items? It's not bishial. Nothing happened here. You're right. You don't have to peel off the outer layer of either one. You certainly need to wash it off if if the if the cheese gets a little piece of of meat on it. Well, you don't have to wash it off. What happens if you eat that cheese later on? What happens if the cheese goes into the meat and you cook the meat and there's a little bit of cheese on it? So, you certainly have to wash it off >> and now the problem is that you might forget to wash it. So, don't put two items of touching each other. They can be in the same bag, but make sure they don't touch. Now, here's a C. This is this is a very nice doesn't say it here, but it's it's an ala. What if the two objects are are like hard cheese? A block of hard cheese and a block of hard meat touching each other. Salami. Well, salami has You should see the salami. We hate on the counter. You'll see like >> something like salami. Yeah. A hot dog. a hot dog. >> Yeah. Literally a hard piece touch. You don't have to wash it off. It's like nothing beef jerky. Nothing. Nothing went from the beef jerky onto the cheese and nothing from the cheese onto the So use common sense. That two people eat on the same table because they don't know each other. as family members on the same table. Also, you're not allowed to have the two items on the same table. Wait a minute before we jump into any conclusions. Two guests come to the same hotel. What is it telling us here? It's telling us that they don't know each other because this guy came from the north. Another guy came from the south. [clears throat] They come with their own food. He comes with his meat. Then he came with his cheese cuz they don't know each other. It's only user when they touch each other. They're together and touch each other. Says if if they touch each other then it's even in somebody's bag walking down the street. Nothing to do with the table at a hotel. So here comes the of Heker. We all know this the idea of of Heker. This guy's eating cheese and he's eating meat on the same table. What do you do? So, you put something out there. Some people put a placemat. Each one should ask their own rub. You put a a loaf of bread that you're not going to touch. You put some sort of uh distinction, a hecker that you know that he's eating fleshik, he's eating milk, he's eating dairy, and he's eating meat. And therefore, they won't come. It comes from this word right over here. When it's similar to touching each other, meaning there's no hecker. If you have a hecker then it's okay. This is I know a few cases like this especially a lot of times it happens after you have two brothers that are they don't talk to each other they don't talk to each other two two brothers will not eat from each other's plate. Why? I don't know why. So now there's no problem. You know that they're not going to eat from each other. So can they eat on the same table? They used to have a to make designs on the matzah, you know, like on the sour bread today. >> They they make these flowers and trees. So they make a design on the on the bread. So they said it's awesome to do. Why? Because people spend a lot of time making designs and then it becomes But had a great idea. They had a like a form like a like a stamp like a thing they go boop and in in two seconds they had a they had a design. So are you allowed to make a design can bite this make the design. She says people of course not why plug people say what their designs nobody's going to understand why and everybody's going to come making designs why can't you wash clothing so a lot of people think it's it's a it's a it's a the reason is because wanted you to have nice clothing before says So now this guy this guy only has one cloak only one thing he's allowed to wash what's his choice [snorts] but the problem is you're not allowed to make designs in a mat but if you have a stamp you're allowed why why don't you give a head to this guy says awesome when you have when you have like a robe a thing. So you take the gar off and you wash the actual clothing without the if you only have one you put the whole thing in the laundry with the with the belt. So people see oh he's a guy that only has one they don't they don't nobody's going to think anything of it. All right. You have a a drop of milk that fell on top of a piece of meat. Imagine a ch. Rashi says there's a piece of meat popping out. A piece of meat popping out of the ch half out and a and a drop of milk hits it. [clears throat] So now if the flavor of the milk goes into the meat and you could actually taste there's a reason why you know these burgers whatever have milk in them because it gives a flavor. If you could taste the flavor the milk in that piece of meat it's so he said if a drop of milk falls onto a piece of meat if it gives it flavor it's listen to this. near if he mixed in the whole thing. He went like this. He gave it a nice mix. When it fell in and then you give it a mixer, if it gives flavor to the rest of the pot, it's meaning that if it if it doesn't give a flavor to the rest of the pot, now the milk has to contend with the whole pot and the pot is misgab on it. is a the 60 times the milk it's m what does it mean that gives flavor we said already we learned the suga a lot of that we're going to learn today we learned already giving flavor means it's less than 60 that's how that's how we give the shear afterwards you tr you're supposed to taste it if you have a gy that could taste it let him taste it if he but if he can't you don't have a go so it's 60 if you give it a nice mish you hear what's going on here think about it if there's a piece of meat it fell into the meat And you wait, wait, wait. That's it. It's done. The meat becomes awesome. But if you take a a split, somebody asked, I don't even know the answer really. You go like this. You give it a nice stir. So now the the milk is not in this piece of meat. Now the milk is in the entire pot. The entire pot could be invat. If it's it doesn't have 60, then it will make the whole pot. Also here, something like this. Something like this boy side. Did we didn't do it? stayed on it. >> No, you mixed it in real good. Okay. >> Now, if you didn't do it, this is if you didn't. [music] You waited, waited, waited. [music] >> No, we're going to see what Raph says. If the whole part has more than 60 if you give it a mix. If you don't give it a mix then that piece itself becomes what happens with that piece of becomes. Does it make the other pieces assured? That we're going to see the Raph says yes. This is like a piece of Naa. First it becomes becomes a piece of that. Now the piece of NA is cooking the in the rest of the path. So now the 60s the whole you have to go 60 against this piece of against a piece. before is against the the little drop of milk. Now your milk just became the size of the of the meat and now it's much harder to get rid of it. Okay, says the sounds complicated but it's not. Means the flavor. Usually you're talking about a piece of tra in a pot of nonra. You have a piece of a that falls in. So you get to look at it here. Here's a piece of a you have a piece of kazer. Here's khazer and here the rest. So now it makes the rest awesome. But over here you don't have anything that's physical. You have milk that disappeared into the meat. So it's it's just a flavor. Right now that the fact that the flavor makes everything seems like a why because if it's only why shouldn't it be? In other words, why don't you learn this idea that giving off flavor to anything else is and you learn it out from why you're going to tell me the reason why you don't learn it out. There's a little bit like you have to add little pieces here, but it's it's not bad. Why don't you learn from the So, let's pause for a second. What's the What's a big this new idea called? What's what's so special about those culture by itself? >> Oh, cuz each one by itself is mut. You take two mut things. Where else do you have something similar? Two things that are mut becomes kion taking two seeds. What else? What are you saying? >> Here you take is 100% muter. You take put them together. It's us. What's the second that we don't find anywhere else in the You're allowed to cook as as much as you want. You allow to cook a piece of of kazzer. There's no is to cooker. This is to eat khazer. You take a piece of kazer, put it in a pot with water, put some things and cook it for 2 hours. You have anything? No. It's awesome for you to cook it. You know how to take the buster and the put it together in a pot and cook it. >> So that's So I'll tell you the reason why I'm not learning from this idea that the flavor ruins everything is because of special. [snorts] But wait a minute. But if it is if it's such then why is only when it gives flavor no so even if it doesn't give flavor there's no there's no so I can learn it to the rest of the meaning it's because I'm going to learn from this idea that the flavor uh ruins other foods and is the end of this. Don't bring me a that it's not a why because you need to taste it. And if it was a real thing, you wouldn't have to taste it without tasting. No, the says it has to be a bish. What does bish mean? Bish means that I'm why do I cook something to give it flavor. So the is telling you that this flavor. It could be it's says says it is a kdish. I can't learn anything from it. Ah, why? Why do you why does it have to give flavor? Because the T says it has to give flavor. Okay. End of that. Now we're going back to that to the point that we said before says what happened? A drop of milk fell into the piece of meat that was sticking out according to Yeah, we're going we're making this very simple. No, just simple shot like Rashi. says Rav once it has flavor what happens to the piece of me it turns it goes from green to red it goes from kosher to then the piece itself became now this piece of is cooking in a pot it ruins everything else we're going to see in a second we know the famous says if it's the same type of food. You can never be mata with 60. So now you're cooking a piece of meat in a whole pot of pieces of meat. So it happens like this. Take a look. You take a real piece of beef from McDonald's tray. It's an avail. And you put in kosher pieces of meat. The tray goes into those pieces. Now you can remove the the original piece. It doesn't matter. Everything is tray. And it just a bunch in a veil just keeps on going. Goes forever. Why? Because each piece can never become even in 60 because the holds. Okay. So this the original piece is a piece of why is it? It's a piece of so now it continues giving off the to the rest of the pieces. He must be holding like must go like that says that in the same item if it's all meat meat is not so he's arguing. This is also something we learned just recently maybe a week ago. If you have the same item, meat that fell into a pot of meat, but you have another thing in the pot, what do you have? You have potatoes and beans, it's a child. What do you do? You get rid of the original all the meat. Pretend there's no meat. So, what do you have left? You have the piece of tray and potatoes. And then it becomes Boy. It goes like this boy side. Here you have a pot of red is meat and green is potatoes. And this guy I painted this mah is beauty. I love it. Red. Ah. This is red right over here. So when I drop it into the pot, what happens? If I drop it into the pot and all these reds become na like this. These potatoes cannot be moved to this. This is a lot. But if I loically when I drop it into the pot, I go like this. I get rid of all these. That's what says you get rid of it. The same any min. It's the same. It's the same item. Get rid of it. So now what do you have? You have one piece of meat and 60 lollies over here. 60 potatoes. The mato. This red guy. This guy becomes bottle. It's only because I'm getting rid of all the meat. If I didn't get rid of the meat, then this would not become ble would would gang up with all the meats and you don't have enough potatoes to move all the meat. But since it's a small piece of meat and there's a lot of potatoes and beans in this chunks bottle, that's if you hold like your budo. Let's see what he did. I didn't see this yesterday. This wasn't ready yet. You pretend the meat is not there. And now you have just a bunch of chunk. And the ch is the piece of meat. [music] >> Pretend it's not there. >> Huh? >> You pretend. >> No, you just pretend it's not there. How long is not there? It's not It's not powerful to to help you out. It's as if it's not there. You don't take it out there. Oh, she says, "Okay, you're right. It's a good title what you're saying, but there's two types. That's if it happened like this in in a in a sauce in a gravy that's very thin, regular gravy. Then you're right. Then the all all that gravy and all the beans and everything will will overcome the piece of meat and make it kosher and my skin on. You're right. It's a special situation. It's like piecy. A piecy kind of what's the better gravy? There's a better word than gravy. Soup. I don't know what it is. Okay, you understand the idea. If it's thick and it's made of small pieces, this >> mixture >> I don't know. >> So then then it becomes that all that soft stuff is actually hard. Hard is actually considered meat. And the meat will will be starved with other meat. Well, you cannot use it as a you can't use that that sauce that that gravy to go against the meat because it's actually meat. It's now we're going to learn about a a concept that nobody ever heard of. Not that no one a lot of us didn't hear especially for a very long time. There's a concept called if you squeeze it it's what does squeeze mean? If you're able to extract the milk from the piece of meat. Milk fell into the meat. Now I could extract it. How? By squeezing it. How do you squeeze it? You put it in a pot. You boil it and it comes out. says, "Why does Rav hold that the the piece of meat becomes if it's possible for you to take out the milk, then you can't label this piece of meat as an aa means something that you can't ever correct. If you have the possibility of correcting it, then it's not an it has a temporary is on it called but I'm able to do something. I put it in a pot. I do something. I give it a good and out comes the milk and it's mutter now. So why do you call it an a to the point where it it ruins the whole the whole pot? You must say so it's a new concept so I'm throwing it up here. He obviously holds it. In other words, that piece of meat becomes forever. And that's why I could call it a piece. In fact, you have finished and ra is of the opinion. It says over here holds it remains. [clears throat] Does Rav say does Rav really hold that if you're able to squeeze out the milk somehow it remains you have a whole piece of meat that fell in to a pot of milker the meat is why because it contains milk in it the mut the rest of the milk in the giant pot is mut why because there's not enough flavor of the meat that went into The milker, wait a minute, it doesn't make sense. The milk should be also asked the at the end comes out that the milk is what's question. How in the world could the milk in the pot? Yes, there's a tremendous amount of milk. There's 22 gallons of milk in the pot and a tiny piece of meat this size fell into the pot. Now, the meat obviously is is is tr has milk in it. But how could this small piece of meat says Rav make the whole 22 gallon pot also asking why not the little bit of milk that went into this piece of meat is part of the meat. So it became then eventually it pops out of the meat and it goes into the into the giant pot of 22 gallons a little drop of milk. But guess what? Now in the whole pot you have a tiny piece of milk that's tra that's an aa that's a bus of a piece of milk drop of milk and that drop of milk goes into the whole pot the whole pot should be awesome if you're telling me that the piece of meat is an aa you can't you can't make it mut if you tell me you could squeeze the meat out and one day it will become mut okay but now you're telling me that it's a piece of so the milk that's in it is completely awesome It goes into the pattern becomes awesome. So, you're right. He holds No, we're not we're not taking it back. He holds that the piece of meat is awesome forever. This is going to but it's only so chill out. Just the is on the on the meat alone says there's no on the meat on the on the milk that has a little flation is not a problem. The problem is the the meat that's just says does he really say such a thing here? That's the question I started off this year. You have a half a shear of each that you cooked it together. If you eat it, you ate a whole. Yes. Half of it is milk. Half it is meat. You get malus for that. like but you do not get malcus on cooking it. Does this make sense to anybody? >> Yes. >> A half a gazayas of meat and a half a gazayas of milk if you eat it you get malcus but you do not get malcus for cooking it. Why not avi you could have you could swallow two at the same time be that problem. >> Okay. But first of all you don't have a shear of each. That's the problem. But >> okay. So so why why so? So how come you don't not cooking? You cooked it. How come it's not for cooking? >> Different rule for cooking than for swallowing. >> No, cuz you weren't you weren't. >> So you weren't eating. So you didn't eat it cuz >> once once they came together says you have to have milk. How much milk there's a shear for milk? You can't just give a a 1 millionth of a drop. That's for sure. You're right. So two drops is okay. No. Five drops is okay. No. has milk and the says means each food has to be the sticks with what I'm telling you. If this is just on the meat but not on the milk, how could you be on eating a half a kaz of milk when the milk is not even all you ate right now is a half a kaz of meat and we don't even care about the milk. So the milk is not when you have a pot and a piece of this tiny piece of meat fell into the pot. The meat is awesome. But guess what? The entire pot is also awesome. The whole milk is awesome. But there's a special case that it's not user. What if the whole milk when you fell in was boiling hot then it doesn't allow for the meat to spit out the milk in it. So milk never went into the rest of the milk. The milk of this is a piece of meat and it has milk inside of it and it fell in it fell into the pot. It absorbed milk but it cannot spit out milk. It fell into the pot as a whole piece of meat without milk. It absorbs when you're cooking. It absorbs. It doesn't It doesn't It's not able It's too hot for it to to to beed to expel it. Oh, so but isn't it going to cool down eventually? I've never seen a pot that's on the fire for 400 years straight. Eventually, you want to cook it for a day, two days, but afterwards you're going to shut it off and then it's going to come out. You're right. He popped a piece of meat out of it before as it was still boiling and he never gave it a chance to spit it back into the pot. We're just going to do these few lines and we're done. If you cook a half a shear of meat and a half a shear of together, if you eat it, you get you don't get on cooking it. If you could combine the two halves then you should get for cooking it. If they don't combine you should get for eating it says no there's no two for cooking >> for anything for eating if it came from a large pot. In other words, there was a kaz of meat and there was a kaz of milk and then you ate a half a kaz of each together. It it cooked as a kaz of each. The cooking was great. There was a kaz of milk, a kaz of meat and it cooked together. That's how much you have to eat a half a of each cuz then you have a she of a kaz of that's what was saying but it started off on the right foot. It started off each one was a kaz. ladies and no also for the what half and half. Half and half it doesn't make a distinction. So you don't have the question is it is a half a she is you guys might might have been saying like that what a half a half a and a half a half of milk put together you're on there's no difference because once you make a distinction between that doesn't make sense either it's saying it's in all cases now a final for today how much cooking do you need the says How much? 1 minute, 6 minutes, 42 minutes. What's a Jew can't eat it means when a guy could eat it? In other words, it's a real cooking. Is it more? Let's say it's more. It's a great It's a good cooking. In other words, whatever it takes to cook something, 20 minutes on the plat, then you're overai. Have a wonderful day. >> Merit the of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor Ashir today. mdysponsor.com or [music] sponsor atmop.com.