CHAZARAH - Chullin Daf 10 | "Nothing but the Daf" with R' Eli Stefansky

[music] >> Good morning BOYS AND GIRLS. >> [screaming] >> YEAH, THE BOYS SAY, "HOW ARE YOU?" I'm going to ask you seven lines from the bottom of base. I'm going to ask you slowly we're talking about the This is the water that you take from a um a Mayan. How do you say Mayan? Spring. Only from a spring for the part of the burn the part of the You take the ashes, mix it with water, and then you sprinkle whoever's tummy from to may mace. Now, we know oh about Oh yeah, here. This is an older video. It's going to be see it again. We're very very mad on the tomb of this water. So much so that we take women that are in the massive and we put them in this special place that has no tomb. And we these kids are born without any tomb and they grow up without tomb. And here just put it on top of So even if there's a mace underneath and then eventually we put them on a bull that has a wide door so they can't stick their hands out and become tummy. And these kids they draw the water. That's how much we're mad a kid. No birthday parties, no no nothing until he's 8 10 years old so he could draw water. Can't see anybody, can't have friends, nothing. So now you you left you left this glass uncovered. You come you find it covered. Who covers a glass? Who would cover a glass? A human being or an animal? Only a human being usually. Not Not only usually but usually only. Who bought it from the house? To mayor, we must assume that it's a human being. Now, if it's a human being, it is 50/50 that whoever covered it is tomy. So, now you may Adam tomy the kisa. Who else would cover it? You never see a rat going ahead and covering a glass jar. Any comment but what if you you covered it? You know, we're not talking about, you know, a peanut butter cover. We're talking about, you know, some plate on top. So, we found it call if you left it covered with balm and some gula. Now, this is the reverse. Who uncovers? Usually, it's not a human being that's going to leave it uncovered. Now, it's an animal. Unless it's your children, whatever. Okay, fine. If you list this in manner, if a weasel of some sort could drink from it or not harsh or snake. Now, what's the problem if a weasel or a snake drinks from it? The problem is that there was a malacha done to the water. You cannot do any work with that by drinking it. That's the malacha. And they they usually spit back. They'll they'll drink a little bit and but you know, dribbles right back in. And that's a problem. Now, you have a cup that has malacha water in it. The and then we're going to see I see you at about 12:00 at night or instead of it being water from a spring, it's water from dew, which is no good. Sula, it's possible but not tomy. Possible. Can't use this for part of them. From the lady, madam, what's the reason? The dark and the shots in the galloys. The aim dark on the toys. So, in this situation where the first case where it was covered, so that then it's for sure a human being covered it and then you have a 50/50 that human being is tomy. May Allah, we consider tomy. But in the second case where it's revealed, it's uncovered, now it could be a few things. It could be a human being, and it could be a sheretz. Now, if it's a human being, there's a 50/50 chance that it's tar. Cuz maybe human being that tar uncovered it. But, you also have a another 30 So, let's call it 30%. 33% that a human being that was tar uncovered it. 33% that a tar person uncovered it. And another 33% that a sheretz uncovered it, needed a good drink. So, totally you have let's say 66% you have a rove that it's okay. They take this out. We'll just read it quickly. You know how many times they uncover it's only cuz he did something because of it changed the status. Harm but if you found it the way it is, la to make up neither. We know but there's a good over there. We know something I saw if you have a safek on the water of the the mekhad as we say it's possible. But, over here if it's if it's you find water that's megulah, you're going to say it's also even like the is a very big meal, still you say it's also. So, what do you see from khamira sakanta misura we're more makpid on sakana than we are on issur. Shma minna. Okay, so now we just go into the sugia of megulah not also had a few times with different variations. Shlisha mashkin assurim the only three liquids that are assur for the concern that perhaps a snake inserted its venom into these drinks. The other drinks are not something that snakes are interested in. So, let's say Coca-Cola is not one of them cuz they don't drink Coke. Mayim that's water the in the kholaf. Kami issue what's this mayim megulah? If you turn your head around for a moment, do you have to be concerned or is a certain amount? Says the they should be a makom karov yishteh. It's the amount that it takes for the snake to come out of a close a nearby place and drink. The kama makom karov As long as it comes out like from the handle itself and drinks. But if that's the sheer that it comes out of the handle and drinks, so he's right there. You see him drinking. It's more like What was it? Oh, here, this one. First of all, this is the place it says over here. It's even a very, very small snake. Very small, as wide as a hair. Hair breadth, that's how small the snake is. That's the finest of this. From it seems like the snake is coming out of the ground, not so much the handle. And it And it comes in from the from the ground, goes in, drinks, and comes back out. So how long does it take? About a minute until it climbs up, until it drinks, until it goes in. So let's say if you turn your back to the to the wine, to the water for a minute or two, that's already considered good. And to remind the the says that even if we don't have snakes today, the only uses one reason why we shouldn't do it today, but there's other reasons that that are concerned. It's my Is it a good idea to check this knife, the sharpness, to see if there's any any nicks with your tongue? >> [snorts] >> So when I saw it in the I literally I was feeling my tongue to see if it's still there. It's like The talks about it. But anyway, I showed you the second the second the more. So the I sharp sharp he says. Over and over again. I feel about someone is calling him solo. So we got to get this shark and to We have a like a serum. What happened? We have a knife that was perfectly fine. He checked it with his tongue. Mama's not a single nick. He chefs the animal and then he finds a nick. What happened? There are two options. Either as he started the heater it got a nick immediately by the height of the animal. The height is thick. And that could cause occasionally it could cause a nick. Not very common, but it happens. The other thing is maybe it have to happen after the heater. For instance, a feeling he's taking the knife this very delicate knife and he's chopping away at at a at bones. It's not something you do. And obviously you're going to chop a bone, what's going to happen? It's going to create a lot of going to create a nick. What do you expect it to happen? So my mailer Sula I seen it before I never come up. So the one is of the opinion I have to go the I have to understand that what happened was that yeah, you had a good knife, but immediately as you started the became possible the knife. And if you have a beginning what's the problem? You're going to do equal. Equal means you're going to pull the the seam on [clears throat] them and you're going to it's going to tear instead of cut nicely and that's awesome. This is no. Let's go to cooler. Let's assume that during the it was perfectly fine. What happened was it got a after the Cairo. It makes more sense to me that as he's chopping away he knows he shouldn't be doing that. He knows that a bone is a bone and it's going to create issues with the knife. It became pogum Let's assume. >> [clears throat] >> Oh. Oh. So, says the Gemara, didn't we learn yesterday and that's what the beautiful sugiya is. It's Unfortunately, it's not that long, but we have a great sugiya about chazaka. Chazaka demikra, what's chazaka? Chazaka means that we're not always in this context, chazaka means that it's we're going to assume what status quo, the status quo, meaning whatever it was before, that continues until otherwise notified. If this animal, we said yesterday, according to Ravuna, if the animal is assur to eat, why is it assur to eat? Because it's a living being and you cannot like take a bite out of a live animal cuz it's even a a ben noach is machuyav on such a thing. That issur or the issur, not that issur, the issur continues until somebody notifies you otherwise, until you know that it was shochted properly, whatever it is. So, maila, over here also, I have an issur on this animal, boom boom boom boom boom, I thought I shochted it, but I found a nick on the knife, I'm going to continue the status quo and say it's assur assur assur. It continues. How do I How do I know that it's not assur? You can only tell me it's assur cuz there was shchita, but the shchita knife had a had a nick in it and I don't know when the nick happened. So, now you're going to The onus is on you. You have to prove to me when the nick happened. Meanwhile, this animal is assur. The The chazaka continues and it's assur. That's Ravuna, that makes a lot of sense, says the Gemara. But what's Rav Chisda? Why Why would Rav Chisda argue with the chazaka? >> [clears throat] >> Ravuna, bishlam Ravuna, kishmayte. Like you said, there is a chazaka of issur, chazaka demikra. Ela Rav Chisda may taymo, why would Rav Chisda say that this is mutar on my law? Etzem v'ali paygam, let's think about it. Everybody knows you're going to take a knife and you're going to going to whack a bone with it, nine out of 10 times it's going to get a nick. So, it's a vadai. There's a certainty. Or safek pagim safek lo pagim. It's a big safek whether or not the hide. Imagine every time you shecht it and then then the hide then you can't shecht, right? It's So, it ha- it occurs once in a while that that the hide is going to give a nick. Okay? That's a That's a big safek. Have a safek with vadai. So, now you have a safek against vadai. Vain safek what's with vadai? And the uncertain cannot be stronger than the vadai. Mosif Rava lesayulei Ravuna. So, Rava wants to bring a proof to Ravuna. Basically, and at the same time ask a question on Rav Chisda. Imagine this. A guy who's a painter. Imagine Imagine you finish work and you look in the mirror and you see like a a blotch of paint on your nose. Happens, right? So, the question is when did it happen? When did the paint get there? Did you have it in the morning right before you went to the mikvah? Or it happened later on in the day? Tovala al al avanim tzalal davar chotzitz. After the tvila, you look in the mirror sometime during the day you find something that that's a chatzitza, like paint, like something else, like chocolate on your nose. Ava pishon asasi bo se'amim kolim kulam. Even though you're a painter by profession, you do this all day long. Lo yotzei le tvila we have to assume that you're still tamei. Ad sheyomar until you could say with [clears throat] certainty barurei sheli haya like kol davar saying I know for a fact that when I went to the mikvah I saw in the mirror of the mikvah I saw there was no paint on my nose. So, when I went in it was a good tvila. Okay, fine. That That's poshut. But v'acha davar tov aval the one thing is for sure. You went to the mikvah. There's a vadai tvila. Safek hava lei safek lo hava lei. And there's a safek whether the paint was on you before you went to the mikvah or after. So, that's a safek. Because he's safek what's with vadai. You have a vadai that you went to the mikvah. You have a safek whether or not the pain was on you. And we say that you didn't do it feel like there's no feel that means the safek one in this case. You have a safek in the value of safek wins. Why is the safek winning? That's a casual of his. >> [snorts] >> So now the guy will step by step over the over by the paint. You could say listen this person was Tommy. So his akha he this person is Tommy his akha is going to continue. I maybe you went to the mikvah but maybe you didn't go to the mikvah. So the akha you have a safek on him akha is going to continue. As the guy akha nami so what's the difference? So perhaps we could just continue with the akha. So the guy but what do you mean he's dead he had a slice in his neck he had a akha nami he went to the mikvah. What's the difference? Ha is he leave the baby this guy that went to the mikvah something there's something that that that tells us perhaps he didn't go to the mikvah why because he has a bunch of paint on his nose. Ha akha nami is he leave the baby but also this knife has a nick in it so maybe it wasn't akha. Oh so finally the guy gets to where wanted to get just to show us how to get there. A beautiful akha. Over here by the person that went to the mikvah the person himself has a something wrong with the person himself. He has paint on his own nose. Over here in our case the akha has nothing wrong with it the knife has something wrong with it. The knife is an external factor. That's something else. Oh so this is a question I asked yesterday not everybody knows this. So for those of you who weren't here akha this How much of the two of a bird how much of the two of the bird you have to of a of a chicken? Only one out of the two. Only one out of the two. So, check this out. Ah. Over here you can see a bird has the same thing as an animal. It has a cona, which is the trachea. It looks like the Israeli air conditioner pipe with the a bunch of rings. And then this red thing, which is the veshet, which is the esophagus, which the food goes down. I guess you would hit the the cona first. Depends from what angle, but we're talking in a situation where he cut only You only have to do is cut one, one out of the two. So, he cuts one. He cuts the esophagus. And then, after he cut the esophagus, that moment that he cut the esophagus, what happened? Animal is kosher because he cut one. And then the trachea, which it could happen, I guess it happens a lot more often than the esophagus, the trachea pops out. Here, take a look, like this. He cuts one. At this point, when he cuts it, it's a good shrita. And then, boop, that guy pops out. It's a nice a nice little video. I like it. It popped. Does that pop create an issue here in this case? No. Why? Cuz the the animal was kosher before it popped. What if it popped first and then he shechted? Then of course there's a problem. Why? Cuz it's a treif. It can't breathe. If the trachea goes that way, how's it breathing? Although we had a chicken without a head. Oh, then it had a breathing apparatus. No, we had a chicken walking around for a few day or two. So, it's okay. It could live like that. It once happened in 1956 or whatever. Okay, fine. Yeah, mom is like Mom is Mom is like that. So, it says in Gemara, shochet is a veshet. Maysit. Shochet is a veshet. We're talking about a bird now. And you only have to shecht one siman. He shechted the esoph- uh the esophagus. Varigach nishmat dag ageras and the trachea popped out. Chara, cuz all you need to do is cut one. Nishma the geres if the corner the trachea pops out and only after that he did shrita psula because this animal is mamesh a treifa. Shach the shavish and nishma the geres muta. What if you shachted it and now you develop a safek? You don't know when it popped. Did it pop because you were messing around there doing shrita or pop right before you did shrita? Many times shrita nishma the geres shrita nishma the geres. You don't know when it happened. Oh. Why does it say 7:55 on my screen on top? It's the wrong thing. It's 40 minutes. Okay. Many times shrita nishma the geres shrita nishma the geres. Zeh haya maiseh. Mamesh a maiseh like that. I hope I remember cuz I forgot to tell the Israelis the haya maiseh. There's a rashi haya maiseh on the base. Zeh haya maiseh. Mamesh a story like this. V'amru kol safek b'shrita pasul. Every time you develop a safek in the shrita it's pasul. Says the gemara kol safek b'shrita pasul l'chumra. What does it mean kol? Every single time. Every single time means including our case. What was our case? You shachted an animal then you look at the knife you see there's a nick and you don't know when it was developed here. That's a safek in shrita. And what does it say? Pasul. You should treat it l'chumra. Let's say a guy got no lie lasui safek shach safek daras. We're talking about a real safek in the shrita itself not in the knife. Where he paused momentarily in the shrita or he doesn't know he pushed downwards. He put he applied downward pressure instead of back and forth pressure. He's not sure. You know what? Maybe this time I was a little bit forceful on a downward motion. What should I do? Pasul. Chuck the chicken away. Chuck the chicken. Daf yud alef beis. Umashna chasal misleed b'reiusa b'beheima. Hachol and the gemara explains this sword that we said before. That what? When you developed a suffocate in the animal in this in the in the chicken itself, in the animal itself, because there's a shihio, there's a drisa that's in the animal itself. The neck had a shihio, the neck had a drisa, but that's the animal. And then may Allah I'm going to take this chicken and toss it. Haha, but in our case it's different. Sak in Israel. The the problem didn't have with the chicken, the problem having with the knife or the animal. And it all has to do with the knife. Raboy said we're going to make a shura over here. We're going to say that Allah is like Allah is like Raboy says when a person uses a knife. Let me see Let me show you this knife. When a person uses a knife and you find the Gamara after you was perfectly fine before the Gamara. I'm not going to take it out. It was It was great before. You checked it before, but you found the Gamara after the shihita. Says Raboy, no. Throw the animal out. And says no, the animal is kosher. So, let's pass again. If he never broke bones with this, then it is possible. Because how else did it get a Gamara? But Allah is like Gamara shihita by itself. That when he did break a bone, the Allah is like why? Because he broke bones later on, 5 minutes later. But when he did the shihita, it was perfectly fine. There's no reason >> [clears throat] >> Oh, so much louder than this. Obviously, I forgot the way she does it. Obviously, if the Allah is like when he didn't break a when he didn't break the bone. So, and what do you mean the Allah is like meaning argues even in the case where there's no bone breaking, the guy didn't do vandalism, there's no bone breaking. That was is like a phone and now that he would say in such a case where he didn't break any bones afterwards that the animal is kosher. How did he get a nick? How did he get a nick? There's only one option so far. He got a nick from from the hide of the animal. That means the knife is not the knife is possible and it's not a good shita. So why would he argue? Hello. So how in the world did it get a nick? So tomorrow I'm going to freak is if you have a beautiful video here. Here we go. Check this out. Look at this. Mama's from he cuts cuts cuts boom into the spine and look what happens. You see that? Blow it up. Look at that. There's a little nick and there's even sawdust from the from the bone. Bone nick. Bone dust bone dust. So oh, so I can say that it happened from the from the spine. So you might have a oh, and I just want to point that out here. That's why I said before I forgot. He was a girl says the guy in the by the day by the old master says there's a story with me. He said that even when it happens with a bird you could assume that the nick in the knife happened from the hide. Says the have a there's a story of the Torah from at least so this is interesting. He said that 13 animals are treif because we found the nick on the animal. So the what's the past tense? What does it mean 13 animals? All the animals that we come on come on come on I feel like everything he did that day is treif. So you might I could I could say that perhaps no, it means that he did treif up 13 animals besides the first one is because according to our I'm going to assume that the first animal is kosher I had a nick it happened from the mafricas it happened from the spine. You will be saying my lord of Ravuna. No, let's go back. It goes like Ravuna. Because I have a big problem. You want to say that Ravuna goes the cooler and he says oh you know when the nick happened it happened afterwards it happened from from the spine it happened from wood whatever it is. But if you're going to go the cooler there's 13 animals here. So who told you let's go the cooler the cooler the cooler instead of it saying that it happened from the first animal it got a gun it got a nick from the 13th animal. You can So I can't go because if it's make or maybe it's make or all the way and why would Ravuna why why would you pass again why would why who said this? A story. If you always say why would you always say the 13 animals are trade? I'm going to be called Ravuna. Ravuna says you need to check the knife in between every single animal. Now let's see how does that go? So there's two reasons why you check a knife. You need to check a knife to make sure that the animal that you just checked it is kosher or you check a knife just to make sure that the animal you're about to check is kosher. You have to check each and in between every come on. You can have Ravuna goes to Ravuna with the to say that if you don't check after the first animal then the first one is trade. So perhaps I can say says Rashi. In other words there's no force to say that this they have to check the knife in between every animal goes like Ravuna and to say that the first one is puzzle for current. It goes like to say that the last ones are kosher. In other words if I don't check the knife then even the last ones will be puzzle. So in order for me to make sure that the last ones are kosher I have to check the knife in in other words I'm checking knife for the future not for the past because for the past it's okay. According to the Grizelda, we don't care about the past. We we're going to assume that the the the the one you did already is kosher and that the the the nick happened from something else, a side thing afterwards. But if so, if I'm checking the knife for the future, don't you need to show a knife to every time? So the more no, I don't need to show the knife to every time. There's a positive that says So in fact, the Torah tells me I could check an animal. I have an honest I used to ask you, I could check the animal and tell you later I checked it, it's kosher. I There's no way to do that. No, I'm believed on on on on a single animal, a single person is believed. So tomorrow, you're going to come and so then why do I ever have to show the knife to a and we know that you're supposed to show the knife one time to the of the city. So tomorrow, I'll tell you why. It's to give honor to a So I didn't understand so I said, "What kind of Please don't don't give me any honor. I might it, okay? Bring your knife to somebody else." No, says the Rashba, you shouldn't be Michael. Cuz it's a very important thing for a that knows his stuff to check knives and that the should be using proper knives. So don't be such a thing and I don't have to say, "Oh, I don't need No, no, no. Take the cuz then they'll force him to come to you and show him your knife his knife and then we'll make sure that the knife is in good condition. We just spoke about the of the Torah. Do not confuse it with the of the of the of this of the means sometimes means something completely different than the that we're talking about now. So just don't confuse it. means status quo. Whatever the status was until now, we're going to go until further notice. For instance, if the animal is also because of the it's everyone has a right to eat, also to eat until you can prove to me that you shucked [laughter] it. If you shucked it properly, this animal is 100% good until you can prove to me that there was a nick or something that happened before the shucking. But meanwhile, it's going to be good. Where do I know this? Where do I know this? What happened there? Let's watch the video tape. This is a If somebody finds a funny-looking discoloration on his wall, he calls a remi coin and calls a nikonen to check it out. And if he decides this is takanega, we have to close the house up, take everything out, close it up for 7 days. Then he comes back again and checks. But this closing is the summer trying to learn literally that his girl means to close the front door. Mhm? I like how the second one appears magically. Okay, that's as good. Shma. Zushiva Zubeira. Someone leaves the doors open. That's one of the big problems with the AI. Someone leaves the doors open this way, someone leaves that way, so You have to remove that that stone. If it's a griss, a griss is a certain size, one griss by two griss, great. So now, how do I prove hazaka from here? Vedu madenovi but at least you know, maybe this is what happened. You have to Here, check this out. As I bring it leaves, check that it's this size. Look what happens. Oh. It became smaller. Maybe that's what happened. How do I know that by the time he got to the door, it didn't shrink? Oh, because I'm assuming status quo. It's going to stay the way it is. Masculine This is a khazaka. Maybe he was walking backwards. And then he here like this. Take a look. He keeps on going back, back, back, back. And he makes sure that the nega doesn't shrink. And only in that situation he closes the door. Otherwise, he can't close the door. I have two two answers to what you're saying. It's impossible, you're saying. When you walk backwards, that's not a When the Torah says to walk out, you walk out. You don't walk backwards. Where do people walk backwards? At the Kosel. So the Torah is going to prove that that's considered walking That's considered walking by the Kosel. Void that that it was wrong. Sometimes walking backwards is considered walking. What if you're blocked by something? By a door? By a wall? So what? You should open up holes in the walls as you're walking out. You can see through into the bedroom, the terrace, or behind the door. You should pop pop a hole in the door so that you could see it as you're walking out. What's none? So this is interesting lotion that our uses. I wasn't excited about this lotion because it cannot but it's based on Rashi. The what? If you're in a dark room dark room and this is you think there's a nega. The only way to see it for real is to turn on the light or to open up a window or something. That's not considered a nega. Not a nega. Even if you turn on the light and you saw a nega, not a nega. You don't have to open up the window. The cannot is a little strong, but okay. Meaning open up the window doesn't change the status. Says Rashi, it's not a nega. It's not considered a nega. >> [snorts] >> So it's impossible to say that I have to poke holes in doors and and pop the drywalls I could see through into the other other room. That's not considered a nega. Walking backwards Here check this out. The like like a Thomas from his rabbi, he walked backwards. So [snorts] he walked backwards. So walking backwards is good. That's why we walk backwards from the to give cover to the you walk up the ark of the covenant, you walk backwards. And says in the Torah you have to when he leaves it's the same thing as when he came in. In other words, in the same direction. His body's facing the same way. His head is facing the the the ark the the holy of holies and he walks backwards out. And this tell me that in a dark house you don't you don't open up windows to see the nega. That's if you never establish the nega. You don't know if it's a nega or not. You need to turn on the lights to see it. I would like to say but where you already established in our case it's a nega. A rabbi saw that it's a nega. Just what? You can't see it all the way to the door. So maybe in that case you do have to pop a hole in the wall. Says the says maybe he was walking out backwards and they have to see you have to see the nega the entire time otherwise there's no there's no here. Says in the that the leaves the house. Maybe the could go all the way to his own house. His own house. From his couch, he'll close the door. How? How will he close the door of that uh house? He'll have a long rope. Tom and Mary are buying this. Oh, so it says over here, do not go home. Do not go home. Stay by the door. He puts a bias if it's literal by the door. You have to have me to have a Maybe you should be in the door. Maybe you should be mamesh in the door. Yeah, Tom and Mary are buying this. You have to go home. You have to leave the house completely. Okay, it's sad. What do you do? Oh, you may be sad. I'm asking for a masgid. So, the best way to do it according to the Torah, you don't go home and you don't stand underneath the doorway, but you stand right next to the door. But, Tom and Mary are going to buy this. What if you went all the way to your house? Which you shouldn't do, but you did it anyway. So, but the avid will be okay. The hisger says get him out. You know what's good? Tom and Mary are buying this. What do you see? What do you see from here? You see you can be in your own house and pull the the a long rope that's 200 ft long, close the door, and you're Tom and Mary are buying this. Keep going. The Tom and Mary are buying this. You have a bunch of people in a row. Here, take this out. Whoa. Look at this, Reb Isaac. This is what the says. Maybe this is what happened. Let's give Valdic. He said, "Sit down." Valdic, sit. So, Abraham is on his Yeah, I don't know if you noticed. He hides everywhere. This cow hides behind him. He's sitting on the He's a coin. So, he's eating his cheesecake and the hundreds of people What? This is a dietetic cheesecake. He went to buy this. Tom and Mary are buying this. How? So, the guy is going to say, "Listen, you don't have to come on the hazaka. He has first hand information what it is." Prices points out, "For that, I don't need 100 people like in the video. One person that was there at the time that he did the hesger will tell you that it was good it didn't grow. Raboisai, have a wonderful day. I'll see you be shalom in a week. Don't fall off. Reb Nachman Monday morning will be here. >> [music] >> Merit the schus of spreading Torah throughout the world. Sponsor a shear today. mdy.sponsor.com [music] or [email protected].