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CHAZAQ's Torah Talks #206 Rabbi Mordechai Twersky - Shalom Bayis: From Conflict to Connection
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Children absorb stress into the home.
Sometimes it's because the children,
sometimes it's because the parents don't
know how to deal with children. And
sometimes it's simply the husband and
wife don't know how to communicate with
each other.
>> Communication.
>> Yeah. Communication is a big word.
>> Lack of communication causes issues.
>> Yeah. When a couple or an individual
comes in and says they have a problem
with Sha and bias, I have to listen
carefully. What they present on the
surface is usually just the what they're
arguing, fighting about,
>> what's causing it.
>> Right? So the first part we I would call
an evaluation to listen carefully and to
understand that there are issues that
are underlying
that's causing the conflict
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and welcome to Torah talks Kazak's
program we spe with special guest today
we have with us
all the way from Brooklyn. So good to
have the RAV at the Kazak headquarters.
Thanks for joining us.
>> I'm honored to be here.
>> Thank you. Thank God. And the topic is
shal from conflict to connection which
is a very important topic. Before we get
to that topic, we got a little bit
background about the RV and the great
work the RV is involved with.
>> Well, just a little background. I grew
up I was born in Denver, Colorado. Grew
up in Denver, Colorado. and for um a
number of years for 20 years lived in
Denver as well and been in primarily
cure programs
and then when our younger children
started I have my younger three
daughters there was difficulties with
the community and the schools and we
sent our children to um to to New York
my in-laws Alam were here in New York
they so they spent we spent two years
going back and forth to realize we can't
do then,
>> right?
>> So, I went to my pis of doicon and I
asked him, yeah, he says, I give you
permission to move to New York as long
as you keep on doing what you were doing
there.
>> How's that possible?
So I we started the shul actually in the
basement of our home, a small minion and
within 6 months there was no more room
in the basement
>> and we rented a storefront and within a
year there was no more room in the
storefront and we bought a building that
had had a a home that had a fire and we
renovated and we bash expanded the
building four times since then.
>> Wow.
>> So community grew.
>> Yeah. So the understanding what America
has to offer, I'm very familiar with it.
I grew up in America. I grew up in the
50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s. No.
>> Wow.
>> And then come back into moved into the
Torah community, the film community in
New York. And it initially I looked at
it, I didn't understand it.
>> I said, "What's going on here?"
>> There's something, you know, and people
started to coming talking to me because
they knew my background. And I realized
that there's a piece of Torah that
a bridge between the therapeutic
community and the Torah community. There
was a big gap,
>> right? So working together with Rabon
and therapists to create a bridge which
today there's quite a number of these
what we'll call coaches Torah coaches
who help shias with Torah perspectives
because until this until the last maybe
almost five years maybe a little bit
more than that
the stigma of a from couple going to a
therapist was very high Right.
>> I didn't want to the the Rabon did not
trust the therapist and the therapists
didn't trust the Raon. So the neffish
organization which has helped a lot with
that and um the the now the these
programs that run like and kanaki are
all building the ability of to address
the problems of peace in the house
literally needs to be completed. So
that's a little bit the background
>> right. So in the realm of sh which is
the topic what are the underlying
reasons couples seek help
there obviously stress at their home in
their home conflict sometimes the
conflict is comes out because the
children are misbehaving and the parents
want to know what's wrong with the
children where it's really the parents
>> the conflict that's taking place.
Children absorb stress in the home. So
sometimes it's because the children,
sometimes it's because the parents don't
know how to deal with children, and
sometimes it's simply the husband and
the wife don't know how to how to
communicate with each other.
>> Communication.
>> Yeah. Communication is a big word.
>> Yeah.
>> Um
>> lack of communication causes issues.
>> Yeah. Except for So then, so when a
couple or an individual comes in and
says they have a problem with Shaolias,
I have to listen carefully.
what they present on the surface is
usually just the what they're arguing
fighting about
>> what's causing it.
>> Right?
>> So the first one we I would call an
evaluation to listen carefully and to
understand that there are issues that
are underlying
that's causing the conflict. So we have
we can do the alphabet you know ADD ADHD
OCD
>> the ABC XYZ everything
>> right and we know they can't you can't
use labels
>> if we label the person say ah you know
what your problem is you have ADD the
person's out the door
so we say ah I see that you're having
difficulty keeping your your self
focused on one thing at a time he says
yeah I know that's what that's what I do
I do everything well that's my business
I I'm always running around and doing
and I listen and I see that the problem
difficulty is
>> that you know for example you know the
person is multitasking all the time
including in the conversations with the
wife right
>> and the wife saying you're never talking
to me you know you cut me off in the
middle right that type of thing
>> so um that and if you want to call it u
anxiety and depression which are all
fairly well linked together
there are medications that work
temporarily.
>> Temporarily. Yeah.
>> Uh I was on the way here I was thinking
of a conversation I had with a with a
couple who had some fairly serious
problems. I realized that the husband
was not only ad was hyperactive as well
and it was affecting his his business.
He was he was in computers. He was he
couldn't get his business together.
And so we got him on some some simple
basic medication
and things were really good for a year
or two. And then the wife called me up.
It's they're back the way they were. So
I called the husband. I said,
"What's going on?"
>> He says, "Are you still taking the
medication?" He says, "No."
>> I said, "Why not?" He says, "Because I
realized that this person who I was
becoming who thinks about one thing at a
time is not me.
>> It's not me." So I know I wasn't
comfortable with the fact that the
medication was making me feel like I
would not me. So I stopped the
medication.
So I understand the what was happening.
Um so medication for the most part is a
temporary patch. Sometimes long-term
depression etc could be longterm but
that's doesn't address the underlying
causes for it.
>> Anxiety is learned at a young age and
therefore it can be unlearned even later
on in life.
depression which very often comes as a
product of an anxiety and not being able
to find answers.
So if you help them find answers to what
they're struggling with then the
depression lifts.
>> So yes, we generate all such wonderful
things to help people start to laugh
about this what their their weaknesses
are and recognize that there is a way to
help them change their thinking and
behavior. change behavior is easier.
Getting to change the way that their
brain is programmed is harder. I have
developed together with a couple of
alternative um
uh
I don't call it healers but people who
do alternative treatments
fairly quick way to demonstrate how a
person's thinking. I could show it to
you right now. Would you like to see it?
Yes, sure. Okay. Put out your right arm.
Okay, I'm going to push down. Right.
Okay. This has come from chiropractic.
>> Should I resist?
>> Resist. Resist. Okay. Resist. Resist.
>> Good. Am I pushing hard?
>> Uh, not hard enough, I guess.
>> Okay. Good. I'm pushing down hard,
>> I guess. So,
>> so I want you to say, I am strong.
>> I am strong.
>> Come on. Push. Resist.
>> Okay. Say it again.
>> I am strong.
>> Yeah. Okay. Ready?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Ready to resist? Say, I am weak.
>> I am weak.
Wow.
>> Our brain is programmed.
When we say the words, I am strong.
>> You're strong.
>> Strong. When I say I am weak,
>> you're weak.
>> Then I ask the wife to say it while I'm
holding the husband's hand and the
husband when the wife says I am weak,
the husband hand goes down.
>> Ah. So you realize that our brains are
mirroring each other's thought
processes.
>> The power of our speech also.
>> The Yeah.
>> Power of our words.
>> The power of our words. the power of our
thinking and it affects our entire body.
>> I just this is just yeah I can test your
legs like
one of the ways to test it which I do
all the time. I don't tell them what I'm
doing is watching their eyes
>> because the eyes follow which side of
the brain is processing information.
>> Very interesting.
So these are these are just basically
and I and I do this right away at the
beginning to let them know that I
understand that what they're
experiencing now is because of the way
they've learned how to think and how to
start thinking differently.
>> Very powerful.
>> Okay. So when it comes to working with
couples and able to work with what we
call
insight into what's happening underneath
the surface, then it's not so hard to
make change. And it's also not so hard
to get them to get therapeutic help or
medication. You know, we have
from the psychiatrists who are
available, understand, you know, when
the husband says, "I can't get up for
domining, you know, and his wife and his
wife saying, "I'm very upset. My
husband's not going to do the therapist,
the psychiatrist understands.
>> He understands. Yeah, he
>> understands. It's not just it's not
depression. It's affecting the entire
home."
>> 100%. And then the wife looks down at
the husband and wife down the husband.
husband feels bad about himself and
>> the cycle of
>> so so addressing these issues there's
what's the most effective ways to
address this these issues that are
happening
>> okay so there there are for most of the
behavioral problems there are ways to
help either with medication or with good
therapeutic program alternatives
um to the standard therapy and there are
now some really good things that
workbooks that you can take a from
couple with a kosher workbooks and help
them work through so they can see where
the thinking has gotten them into
trouble and how to get them to think
differently.
So the
>> from writers, from publishers,
>> some are from some but some of them are
just simply good workbooks.
>> Good workbooks.
>> Um CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy,
dialectical behavior therapy. There's
some really nice workbooks which in a
conversation when you start the person
says, "Yeah, I got it." It says, "Here,
let's take this workbook. Let's work
through, you know, work through the the
thought process." Oh, they didn't get
it. M
>> but when they sit down to write it
through write a write follow a workbook
process and write through an exercise
the change starts to become real because
we know
our thoughts our words and our actions
when a person is thinking I need to
change and I say I'm willing to change
and I sit down and write what it takes
for me to change
it it it becomes very effective and it's
and it's much more much more effective
than what we call armchair therapy.
>> Armchair therapy sitting down.
>> Yeah. Uh even though that's no longer
such such a prevalent uh practice,
armchair therapy is almost out the
window.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Especially among the Torah world.
Therapists recognize from therapists who
sees a problem and they're trying to
struggle with it. They feel the pain
and they and they understand. Yeah. I
have no therapist. They have lists that
they say every day uh haven't done
before with them before their clients.
>> Wow.
>> Because they care and maybe that's maybe
that's what has helped us a lot.
>> What what uh steps can be taken to
prevent such challenges from arising in
the first place so the couple doesn't
have to get to this point of whether
it's therapy or or
>> see it depend it depends on was the was
these problems this first noticed when
they were still young. before they got
married. Part of the difficulty is that
um you can take a girl go to Bishak or
Bisha and as long as they're not making
trouble, nobody nobody bothers them,
>> right? They're doing well and the report
card is doing well. Well, the test could
be said they're making it through
>> making it through.
>> Uhhuh.
>> Had one you man who after I'm talking to
him for while his his wife was
complaining, I realized he never learned
how to read.
Younger man meaning a col guy
>> he doesn't know how to read.
>> No. So what
>> he passed through entire everything all
those by memorizing everything.
>> Wow.
>> Had great memory right but he because
his mind had to use memory instead of
and nobody ever caught that. He actually
never learned how to read. So if the
problem is caught earlier on before they
get married then it can be addressed
fairly easily at the beginning of a
marriage. But the difficulty is that so
many of these a alphabets
these these the underlying diagnosis
are not caught until they're well into
their marriage when starting to
interfere with the dayto-day.
>> Why would him not being able to read
affect his marriage? What is
>> Yeah. Because his wife wanted to know
how come he's not learning with
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>> he says well because I you go to Davin I
sit down I learn afterwards.
Yeah. And also she realized that there's
something missing.
You know, he's not he's not the bent
that she thought he was.
>> In his mind, he was.
>> But in their relationship, she realized
it was a gap.
>> There was something wrong.
And when I sat down to talk to him
trying to I talked to him individually,
I started
trying to catch what the underlying
problem was. He had never he had some
may learning disability as a child and
he learned how to get through the
system.
>> Wow. So if we can catch these things and
which and the yeshivas have become much
more astute and aware
>> than they ever were. They're trying to
catch when they see a learning
disability or behavioral disability in a
child they try and address it now
before. But we have in the tar world
still if a if a if a child is seems to
be functioning well and not making
trouble it's very easy for them to fall
underneath the under the radar.
>> Wow. There was a family that uh
mentioned to me that how the child that
quote unquote caused trouble in their
marriage in life they're doing much
better while the child that was okay in
school like the rabbi is mentioning is
struggling but that could just be
because they just went through it. So
it's very important to try to be alert
and to realize and to pay attention
underlying issues that god forbid could
only get worse.
So this is you know so you want how to
prevent it. early detection
>> early detection
>> because once they're married and they're
already adults so you know 95% of the
brain and its patterns are fully
developed by the age of 20 age of six%
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another 10% puberty another 10% by the
time uh a couple bentor comes into
marriage at the age of 20 22 23 95% of
his of his patterns of communication
already set.
>> M.
>> So, how much do can we make a change?
>> 5%.
>> And it's very hard to change.
>> It's hard to none of us like to change.
We're all accustomed to where I think
goes.
>> So then when that happens, it's Yeah, we
have we have not prevented it before. If
we can catch it early on in in the early
ages of development, it's much easier to
help with it.
So the correlation between I know the
Torah talk is about peace in the home.
The correlation with regards to with
regards to child wearing raising
children the rabbi said in the beginning
is that there it's it's uh very much
connected meaning if the children are
misbehaving it cause issues with regards
to the peace in the home. Well, how can
we prevent uh I'm saying obviously I say
over a thing on on on I speak here then
everywhere and one of the messages that
the letter
peace in the home and means to praise
the more you praise the family the the
wife the husband whatever it is the more
praise and positive energy in the house
the more you can have peace in the home
the more you can have good children
>> that's and then when it's not happening
then then it affects every part of their
life and it affects the children as
well,
>> right?
Um and as we know divorce which is now
becoming a bigger problem and the
children that are growing up in split
homes are struggling in when in
institutions
because they come home they come into
school
trying to solve their parents' problems
>> and they don't can't pay attention to
what's going on in class
and emotionally they're not being
developed correctly. So they don't know
how to interact with each other.
>> Wow.
>> So those these are some of many of the
issues that are that are facing the
Torah world in today's world that are we
call mental health issues. Hashem the
mental health
I don't call industry the mental health
community that in that based Torah has
meant made many many advances in trying
to get
>> it's grown tremendously
>> grown tremendously which is a mai
because then I know that if I have a
particular type of struggle with that
needs to be addressed therapeutically I
know who to send them to
um and I have raon who understand the
issues and will not give up sak
without taking into regard what the
underlying issues are. I just had it
with a couple just recently. They went
to the wife went to one who gave up
which tore apart the family and then I
sent them to understood the issues and
was a breath of fresh air. M
no very very very very informative Torah
talk shall embide from conflict to
connection very very important to have
proper communication and connect with
right individuals to guide them we have
a custom Torah talks as a final message
for our broad audience
>> oh coming to New York back 20 odd years
ago I realized that one of the things
that was needed is that teachers and
raon
need to be guided on how to work with
bay so I set up a series of seminars
which we work with had 150 participants.
Um I just finished finishing up one
group up in Lakewood one the kulum on
how to teach bur who are going into
abonus going into
>> right
>> going into the needs of the community
>> right
>> how to understand how to evaluate and
how to help them guide them tools that
are Torah based
all and all parracious is full with the
guidance of how to deal shown by
from the garden to his wives.
>> Torah I always say is
the way of life. It shows you
>> by learning Torah by delving to the
Torah. You could find out
turning on you could find lessons and
and messages that are appropo to
everyday life. We could become better
people. So using Torah skills I call it
Torah based family therapy
teaching um
and teachers how to use Torah to help
them with the tools that they're looking
for has made a tremendous difference. I
get keep getting calls from them over
the years and how do I deal with this
and
>> right
>> had one you man sitting at the table so
she was I'm married for 15 years and
this is the first time I'm learning this
he was taking the course so
>> wow amazing rabbi thank you very very
very much
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