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CHAZAQ's Torah Talks #130 Rabbi Avrohom Stulberger - All About Teenagers
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the very often the the balich Chua make
the from from birth individuals look bad
they and they really do in a sense
surpass for them they know the other
side they know the darkness and they
they embracing the light when you're
coming from Darkness to light there's
going to be a passion there's going to
be an excitement I see the truth when
you grow up with the truth there a very
it's very easy to sort of take it for
granted let me just ride on my parents
coattails and you know you we we take it
for granted very often well we see many
sons of of rabbis do not follow in their
father footsteps very often we see kids
taking a very different
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route welcome to Torah talks kazak's
Tuesday night program with special guest
we have with us all the way from Los
Angeles correct Valley stouber welcome
how's the r doing how's theem doing
great from the valley we send regards to
all okay
amazing be talking about inside and out
all about the teenagers and before we
get to the exciting topic I guess uh a
little bit background of the rabbi and
the great work you're involved
with yes I've U I went
to high school and and Bas Med Queens
yes 13 years post High School um and the
real I grew up in Queens myself I'm a
Queens boy gard's boy myself uh 1986 we
moved to Valley Torah High School to Los
Angeles to the valley we've been here
ever since um my obviously my main focus
we have a boy school about 130 boys we
have another girl school 130 girls um
I'm responsible for both schools uh been
doing that for like I say 37 years is my
38th year barem and in addition I have
the Hat I wear the hat of the head of
Thea of principal Council here in Los
Angeles so very often shist that come up
with schools getting into schools being
thrown out of schools different issues
that come up also come my way as I have
to facilitate some of the uh the uh
strategies to deal with those challenges
in terms of kids not having a Yeshiva
both elementary school and high school
and as well I I we also learned a lot
serving on The Advisory Board of alenu
for for a number of years dealing with
the crisis on many levels in America
which again filters into the teenage
world into the K Israel world so um
those issues are also very much on my
mind and things that I have experienced
in
amazing strength so the topic of is in
everyone's mind educating our our youth
our children what is a difference with
regards to with regards to children and
teenagers is there a difference with
Elementary aged and high school
aged absolutely absolutely I mean and
the afor there's a lot we can talk about
but the for introduces us a little bit
when he talks
about Yosef when he was um now and he
was as end of Braes we are told about
Yosef in the whole episode with the
brothers
andar says Sao there was a certain
challenge being in N at 17 years old he
defined it as not as smart as he was as
brilliant as he was and he was
Yad at the same time there's a certain
element of a
teenager coming into his own and number
one focus on the immediacy which is the
safera point focus on the immediacy of
the moment where he really could not see
the RO of his actions and the
discussions that he had with yov and the
whole isue of lashar regarding the
brothers he responded from a position
obviously again we're talking about y
but at the same time that Nar was a find
of somebody who responds to the
immediate as opposed to the longterm and
that is something that we've seen you
know in the teenage world even the the
scientific world that very often is
jumps on the badwagon way later than the
ter of course but sometimes they do get
it right and they do
recognize that what the T teaches us is
accurate that they too recognize that
there is something about the teenage
brain that really is very different than
the adult brain and certainly as a
youngster before the the teenage years
we're not in that mode where it's got to
be my way teenagers are very often uh
young men and young women that are
feeling their oats that have found new
level of Independence new levels of
awareness and they need to understand
that and to respect it while at the same
time creating the proper guidelines is
something that parents find very
challenging how do you find how do you
give that teenager the level of
Independence while at the same time
saying this is the way it is and I'm
still the parent and uh when we make
mistakes in that regard we very often
end up paying the the results where we
see too much push back and a lot of
issues right 100% so as parents uh
listening in what is the right approach
with regards to uh dealing with
educating our teenagers how much space
do we give them they want to go and
explore they you know we know the
importance and also if if there's a
difference between the boys and the
girls okay um so I there's a lot to be
said on this topic number one um we
really if we think that we're going to
win the teenage battle by putting our
foot down as many parents think and I'm
G to show my kid I'm boss I run the show
and this is the way it's going to be
it's the it's my way or the highway and
that whole mentality
you might win shortterm you're not going
to win long term I always say you care
about how from they are when they're 15
or you care about how from they are when
they're 25 and 35 so you might win the
battle of the 15 year old but you know
then when you wake up at at and they're
they're 20 years old and the fire is
gone and they want to leave Yeshiva and
they're not developing the way you want
them to and you just what Happ what's
happening that is if you speak to abum
throughout America it's a very much a
crisis within clly Israel of the
disconnect
Jew and sometimes even KY like they
leave they leave and you look at them a
few years after KY what happened and the
question is it wasn't really their own
they didn't you didn't we didn't give
our kids a chance to truly internalize
who they are as as Jews how they're a
the service is really in properly in in
in line I just just for a second I'll
say very briefly but just really on this
last week's para we just read and Par
told those the the alar of Kellum has an
incredible
incredible idea when he says why did
answer instead
of and Rashi says you can't compare the
TW of a of a righteous person the son of
a righteous person compared to a
righteous person who's son of a of a
wicked person and he asked what do you
mean just the opposite of B Chua we know
that somebody who repents who comes
close to go is at a much higher level
than even a great sadic so what's that
all of a sudden here y gets answered and
not Rifka Rifka came from the house of
Buel they were Idol worshippers they
were conniving sleazy people and yet
Rifka became Rifka shouldn't she be
given so much more credit she says a
fantastic idea
that very often the the balich Chua make
the ffbs the from from birth individuals
look bad they and they really do in a
sense
surpass up why because for them they
they know the other side side they know
the darkness and they they embracing the
light when you're coming from Darkness
to light there's going to be a passion
there's going to be an excitement
there's going to be I want to do
everything right there's no sort of
laxidasical mentality when you are
taking full advantage of the opportunity
you've been given because bar I see the
truth when you grow up with the truth is
a very it's very easy to sort of take it
for granted I'm the son of a rinu and
the son of suru let me just ride on my
parents coattails and you know we we
take it
for granted very often well we see many
sons of of rabbis do not follow in their
Father's Footsteps very often we see
kids taking a very different route and
what y he explains was unique from the
point of view that he was able to grow
up in A's house and in s's house and yet
he made it his own he was a sad sadik
means he didn't just ride on their coils
he totally said this is my job I I have
to be my I have to be my unique
individual ual um person who achieve
greatness not because uh who who my
father is who my mother is it's about
about who I am I need to be the best I
could be I think for us we have to find
ways to allow space for our kids to make
choices where they see yish is their own
if you even if the kids very forget
about being rebellious they're not
rebellious they follow orders but if
it's only orders that they're following
so did it ever become theirs they ever
show for daving because they want to be
there for daving did they ever spend an
extra time at SATA because they chose to
be at learning longer or is it because
pressure peer pressure the parents you
got to do this you got to be the you
know you got to be the top kid in the
class all these pressures we create when
do we give the this young adult a chance
to really Embrace Torah for what it
really is the most beautiful life in the
world but they they have to embrace it
it has to be theirs and when they wake
up some of these kids wake up at and
boys or girls they wake up 20 22 25
sometimes even later and like I never
bought into this I just I kept following
orders I kept following what people were
telling me
so so it's it's a tough thing to
navigate it's not there's not one
formula but number one we have to give
them some space to sort of let them
choose their way and that's why we have
to listen to them we have to talk to
them and the other point is that telling
them is really not the answer our job as
parents is to make yish kite so
beautiful so uplifting so
exciting so vibrant so relevant that who
would want to live another life because
nobody really when they know what Torah
is about no one wants to live another
life who who in the world would would
give this up when they know the truth
when we know what what it's how
beautiful it is and how uplifting it is
and how connected it is you wouldn't we
wouldn't want to go any place else but
why do kids do because they think
they're not getting that satisfaction
it's not this is not what I chose this
not what I want and therefore they very
often they they leave and they very
often they come back but how sad is it
they have to make this very C circuitous
route away and they come back and they
go through different challenges
different crisis if we can make it where
our home when they come home there is
this sense of connection and positivity
and receptivity and excitement and just
the the just unbridled Joy of being a
tyod that's what they have to see and
then they choose it on their own as
opposed to us telling them what they
have to do and the the amount of space
again I you know I just maybe speak from
a personal experience I raised six kids
myself and now they married they have
families but when when a kid wants to
sort of you know dabble not something
that's prohibited but even something
that's permissible maybe not exactly
what you had in mind you know if if and
then I'll just pick one example that's
sort of universal the kid says you know
I don't want to wear a hat for daving I
don't want I I don't feel comfortable
with the hat so I'm picking something
very lukewarm where we're not we not it
okay that's you're going to make that
battle you're going to pick that battle
no you have to wear the hat so he starts
getting re resentment and they start
feeling negative and you know a girl
comes and you know I want to do whatever
the earring a little bit here or the
second earring it's not a prohibitions
and that's a little Independence a
little asserting maybe there are school
rules but outside of school you know is
it so terrible so I'm picking very power
of a lukewarm things that don't do not
go against but clearly we have to
navigate sometimes even against is
saying now even goab bid if a kid goes
completely off our job is to keep loving
them and keep them connected and keep
them close certainly if if the space
that they're asking for is something
that's that's not going against the idea
that might is gonna do this no
way no you know we we do everything I'll
bees well you know it's one thing to to
feel that way about the overall feeling
of your home but this particular
individual young man young lady lady you
know needs to have some space and needs
to feel that let me find my way and when
they find the way I'll just say one one
one of my children loved loved hearing
to you know non non-jewish music Love
listening to non-jewish music I could
have put my foot down I didn't and and
you know what how much more meaningful
is it that in 11th grade that particular
child says I I dropped it if I had said
no their whole life they would have said
my father didn't let me listen and I
want to and I all you know maybe they
sneak it and they you know they sneak
here they sneak there and there's
resentment and you know you know I I
said just don't play it out lot put it
put it on your earbuds and then I said
you know you know how we feel but if you
really want to listen you know listen
with your and by 11th grade you know
they they dropped it and they they went
in a different direction bar so you know
again I'm there's no set formula there's
always you have to consult you have to
ask but the idea that that we just sort
of lower the boom and we're happy
because 14 through 17 they follow all
the rules and they ended up you know
winning the tire award at the
graduation we're being shortsighted we
want to produce young men and women that
love yish kite not just follow orders
because eventually they're not going to
want to follow orders it's not about
following orders it's about living a
life that's that's true and they should
embrace that truth on their own power it
was mentioned also is there a difference
with regards to the raising of boys and
girls in teenag
years certainly there's a difference and
obviously the challenges of of
technology and the the issues of you
know what of exposure that was also
questioned about technology and phones
that's for the teenagers there's always
that shil of that question the parents
ask what's the rule by the Shiva and
Valley Stream Valley Torah um we yeah we
we're we are not u a blackhe hat school
so to speak um we're very we're very
close I guess on the the girls level
were close to a Bas Yakov maybe on on a
certain certain out of town schools we
would be called a Bas Yakov but we do
our girls do have phones they have to
give it in every day they get it for
about 15 minutes but we're getting girls
who from the schools that they come from
they already come with with uh with with
smartphones and the boys too uh 90 to
95% of our students when they have
graduated from their elementary schools
come to us already with phones so for us
to say can't have a phone it it's it
would not work in our community with our
families it would not work but you
educate them you talk about filtering
you talk about you know tagging the
phones and it's involves a lot of
education and you know there are many
places where uh kids and parents can
learn about the dangers of of Technology
there it's no secret it's what it's
doing to our kids so this is where again
discussion understanding uh setting the
tone early not to allow they are fourth
third fourth graders already with the
phones and they're already playing on
everything it's it's it's it's about
parents taking responsibility because
when they're not teenagers we could
create a certain standard for them about
what they're exposed to if we if we if
we break down early and just you know
give everything that they want then by
the time they get to you know older
years it's it's going to be very tough
to pull back um and that's where issue
of getting into good habits and uh good
environments
and creating proper standards is
important the while we're creating the
positive feelings about yish yes there
has to be guidelines as well 100% Rabbi
stulberger very very nice words of
wisdom how about the situation with
regards to teenagers and sleeping
so well again this is where parenting
has to come in a little bit um to allow
a child unfettered access to technology
in their rooms where there is not an
understanding of when that technology
stops um it's it's criminal I mean it's
nothing short of being criminal but it
happens I mean I I you know you come in
I just I talk about all the time with
the seeing K Bar we have 130 boys in the
in the school but there's certainly a a
not insignificant number but their heads
down they're exhausted they can't they
can't open up their eyes for noen or for
Shear what happened and this is you know
this is again not a Valor issue this is
a across the board
issue well I was on this and the games
and the the technology and you know the
the for night all these misham that
they're involved with till four o'clock
in the morning where are the parents
saying not not on my watch no uh I'm
still the parent and this is not going
to take away their their feelings of
Independence this is again these are all
logical things that we can all
understand and the early we start with
these guidelines they they already
understand you my parents of me they
care about me kids do want structure
they do want discipline U so we start
early they they recognize uh it's not
it's not just a you know Open Season to
do whatever you want so yes it's getting
getting enough sleep U Get closing that
technology off at the right time is is a
very critical thing and not having it in
the room um basically unfettered for
kids is is an absolute must but
unfortunately many parents just they
don't go there they don't they don't
want to fight and therefore they just
they let it go besides for the going to
sleep aspect there's also the waking up
aspect when there's no Yesa or even when
there is Yeshiva it's that difficulty
and uh it all depends one on the other I
guess with regards to what time they go
to sleep and what time they wake up this
time no no question no question and and
again you know for a child to have that
excitement to want to be the minion
where does that come from you know if if
it's always about the rule the rule the
rule okay no rules today I'm off today
so I can sleep till 11:00 um if we we
make it more about connecting to this is
what this is what we as Jews do and this
is something that how would you not want
to grab the opportunity especially with
the m our brothers and sisters need us
and how could we not be there for them
so we're going to sleep away while
they're on the front lines facing all
what they're facing it it's it's that
sense of a that again to appeal not to
the rules this is what you must do but
this is what we should be doing this is
what we need to do for the sake of our
brothers and
sisters St very very powerful
words things that come out of the heart
enter the heart we want to give a thank
you
to for suggesting that the joins the
Torah talks podcast we have a minute a
custom on Torah talks which is a final
message to our BR
audience well the message really is that
while there are many many families that
that are struggling
with
um I've heard the expression already 25
years ago uh you know the concept of
AAS almost every family has the
challenge of having a a child being you
know moving away and not where they need
to be and it's causing a tremendous
amount of Anguish within clel to see
that you know how many young men and
women are are not
being being part of the fold um I think
there there is I think if especially if
we adopt this concept of of loving the
unconditional love um again Abu was told
by Hashem take the son that you love and
and answer back I don't know I don't
know who I love more you want I have a
measuring rod on my loins the med says
that I should measure who I love more I
have and I have I don't know who you
mean I don't know who you mean how can
you love like you love you know yeah the
answer is we we do again we have it's
hard it's it's it's challenging with
said I love them both I don't know who
you mean even though he had one who was
aine and the other one was the is who we
know we know his basic life till he did
Chu at the very end of his life he was a
he was not an easy Child by any any
stretch so we have to love them and we
have to recognize they could very come
very easily come back don't give up hope
don't don't be down try to create the
environments up front earlier that we
don't have the challenges but if we're
going through it if we keep positive we
keep the love we keep them connected
that we have seen incredible young men
and women growing up from homes that are
not so strong and and they they go
through their their teenage years they
go through their you know their their
periods of time where they not they
might not be where they need to be but
with the love and with the support they
emerge to be incredible people we see it
so often uh so you know my ultimate
message is one of optimism that we're
living in special times there a r out
there in Isel where
where Aus is is part of the overall
atmosphere let's grab on to it let's
let's take that positivity of what we're
feeling of how we responded as a nation
to this incredibly horrific uh event the
horrific events of of to to respond with
such strength and such and such of Love
such love for one another let's manifest
that love to our children our children
should always see in our eyes I love you
unconditional love I know you're going
through stuff I know maybe not doing
what I would want you to do but I still
love you I'm I'm here for you when we
can connect to them on that way not
dismissing them disc scotting them or
giving them a feeling of of terrible
disappointment BM they will come back
they will see the truth they will see
that this is the most beautiful life
that a person could possibly lead and
will see from all of them
Amber with those amazing amazing words
of inspiration
of of educating our children our boys
our girls teenagers in particular uh
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