CHAZAQ's Torah Talks #107 Rabbi Maimon Elbaz - Safrut: The Holy Writings

Welcome to Torah Talks Tuesday night program with special guest. We have with us Rabbi Alba Malika. Rabbi, how are you? Wonderful. I want to wish you and your wonderful work for you. Amazing. Thank you Rabbi all your amazing work that you do for Jewish people and I'm really excited about the very very excited about the topic topic that we haven't done yet on Torah Talks which is which is the holy writings of Torah and and before we jump into the topic and get a little bit of a background of the great work of the Rabbi and the books and Torah shows. etc. So basically I I just feel there's a need to fill a void. We tell our children don't watch television because of the bad influence in it. So something inside me always says so then provide something else for the children. So that's what Torah shows is. We try to make slide presentations, game shows, educational fun that we could give them instead of them having to look elsewhere from a non-kosher source. Amazing. So that's Torah shows and we're going to mention the Rabbi has a few books that have been published and There's actually questions and riddles on and on of course not the whole the beginning and we're going to print any day now book about Torah which will be talk. Yes, amazing. Okay. So we know there is a to write a set with Torah. It's actually with so easy for all or is it a coin for those that are able to afford it and we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars. Right. So so if you wanted to get a price tag today on a safer Torah, I'm not talking about an eBay safer Torah. We'll get into that later. But, if it's with an authentic scribe, God-fearing Jew that takes him approximately 1 year to write, so you're talking that uh Sephardi safer Torah would run about $40,000 and an Ashkenazi safer Torah would be about double that. And the reason there's such a difference in price, even though it's the same same words, is because the Sephardi's uh ketav, the script, is called Velish. And Velish is straight strokes. And the ketav that Ashkenazim use, which is called the ketav Beit Yosef according to the Beit Yosef HaMar, which means the Beit Yosef quoted an Ashkenazi rabbi when he when he cited it in the Beit Yosef, so that that ketav has a lot of twirls to it, which will take a sofer almost double the time to complete the same page. So, that's why an Ashkenazi safer Torah costs more. Now, the rabbis tell us you're not required to give up all your money for a mitzvah of the Torah, which means if I don't have a dollar in my pocket, I am technically patur from a mezuzah on my door. Now, a tefillin I can just borrow from my friend in shul. I can't exactly borrow a mezuzah from Rabbi Meir Av and say I'll bring it back later for what we're sharing. Doesn't work. Now, Rabbi Rabbi Schwab exclaims that since the cost of a safer Torah is out of the standard family the simple family's budget. We're talking about middle-class and low-class Jews, not people that are filthy rich. Obviously, they should make many uh contributions to Chazak and Torah Anytime and the local synagogue and the local yeshiva, etc. But, we're talking about the average family that I would say just pays their bills if they're lucky and they pay them on time. So, that such a family does not have the luxury unless they're good at savings and save up tons of money over the years, it's just not happening. So, our rabbis tell us, believe it or not, that when you buy a set of Mishnayot, you buy a Torah Shulchan Aruch, you buy a Rambam, you buy a Tanakh, you get a a We'll call it a virtual Kinyan Mitzvat Aseh. How does that work? So, the Rosh, who was one of the Rishonim, explains that when Hashem gave you the mitzvah to write a Sefer Torah, Hashem's intention was that every Jewish home would have a Sefer Torah, which by the way, would be gorgeous. Imagine you're walking into everyone's house, you see their leicester, you see their menorah. And wow, what a beautiful Sefer Torah here. Now, that would be in a perfect world. But, since nowadays we don't learn from the Sefer Torah, so when you buy the books of the Torah, says the Rosh, that is the mitzvah. So, the Moshe Feinstein writes that really, if you're wealthy, you should do both. Fill your house with Sefarim. You should study and lend to others. But at the same time, you should make a Sefer Torah. If you're a person is on a shoestring budget, then he should just comfort himself that even if I don't have the shleimut, the perfection that a person gets from fulfilling the mitzvah of writing a Torah, which is a thrilling mitzvah, it says when you write a a Sefer Torah, it's like you'll get you'll feel like you were at Har Sinai. Kind of hard to to get to have such an experience in your life, but you'll you'll feel a tremendous high like we do when we go to a Sefer Torah, we feel very elevated. But even if we can't get there, some people say you can be mishtatef. You you dedicate Parshat Bereishit, I'll dedicate Parshat Noach. But it'll definitely be your way of showing glory of Hashem that had I have the gelt, I would definitely do it. But when they whenever they have a Sefer Torah, they they had a different people writing the letters. Yeah, so there's an opinion that if you write a letter in the Torah, it's like you wrote the whole Torah. That he has a source in the Gamara and the Rambam. But in in in the real Halachic aspect um there's no such thing as a safer Torah that you shoot foot. Uh if you want to know make a din. Definitely in s'char you'll get a big s'char. But as far as real shleimut Halacha l'maiseh, that's not the way to go. Okay, so Rabbi Albell the other day, not too long ago, there was an individual from the Kehilla, from the shul. Well, one second, let me interrupt. I forgot to tell you that even when you wrote the letter in the Torah, I have a secret for you. The Torah was already finished cuz we have a law that if the outline of an ot is the inner that's the outer letter. So, when you think you filled in a letter you you're you're coloring, you're playing, but but really technically, if you want to know he the mitzvah was not already. Just by the way. So, I was saying that in the Kehilla not too long ago, there was an individual that bought some mitzvot and he's growing in his Judaism and Judaism and he's training himself and he was telling me how his his son's feeling he got from eBay. And uh How much did he pay for me, but I'm curious. 400 dollars. By the way, I I I searched on eBay for Mr. Sultan's tefillin just to see how ridiculous this world is and I actually saw there were tefillin for $1.99. Now, let me just give you an example that's like imagine I told you that um you're a someone a Jew, a good Jew needs a heart transplant and I tell him that the doctors charge $50,000. But is they they say that you know, it has a guaranteed shelf life, the guy will probably live you know, X amount of years. Now, imagine I tell you one second, one second on eBay you can get a heart transplant for for $2,000. Would you in your right mind jeopardize the possibility of some type of heart valve that is inferior and not and not authentic said your life. So if that's for the physical, how much more we have to be sensitive when it comes to the eternity that we're trying to earn it all in my bar by doing much more in this world. I want to tell you a secret also. The I I would not want to buy a car that the guy tells me that we're giving you a special deal. It's you know, it's $20,000 car. I'm giving to you, you know, for $800. Because there's got to be strings attached. No one in his right mind is going to do that. And also don't forget Rabbi Sharabi one time saw a beautiful mezuzah and someone said, "Rebbe, isn't that gorgeous?" He said it's gorgeous, but it was written by an Isha. Now how did Rabbi Sharabi know that? I guess if you have Ruach Hakodesh, you could tell that there's no radiance of kedusha popping out of this mezuzah. Now what I'm trying to say is there are a lot of people today that they need parnassah, so then they make tefillin or mezuzah in illegal ways. Do you know that I do not going to believe this? Even Torah there's a a company that takes what's called silk screen and they put like a net on the cloth and they push a rubber with the ink through the tiny micro microscopic holes and they claim that it's fine. I you'll laugh that the Shema Hashem has to be written with Shem kedusha and Shem. So they say, "Oh, we leave out the Shem Hashem and we spell it in." Now it is stable to write it and claim to do that, but again, the Torah says a katav not vishafa. And this there's even companies in Israel that tried to sell a mezuzah that were stamped. It was a stamp, very nice, very sharp. Professionally done with a machine. Now obviously you could tell that something's not right here. Doesn't look right. But the bottom line is that there have been many incidents where tefillin mezuzah were written by by Arabs. One time there was in the guy that followed his agent cuz he suspected him that he was into foul play and he actually followed him and he went to the forest and get so there was a place a shack and then there was a bunch of air blade is that were writing the partial. Obviously they have good handwriting and it sounds like easy money. So the bottom line is unless the software is a Yaris a mine and it's a and he's a real idiot how do you know you're buying something kosher? Would you go into a store and buy meat without a hack sir? But hey, it says glad kosher meat we're having a seal. You know, I hate to say it. I know a story about a friend of mine. He did to Shiva but at one time he was off the data and basically he had a deal that comes his restaurant and eat all you can eat for a very low fee. It was a Chinese restaurant and he had almost a whole city coming to him because eat all you can eat is definitely an invitation to everyone and later on they found out that when the customers leave he would take the leftover food and put it back in the butt. And if that doesn't turn your stomach they found out that he was getting chickens from the cuz it's much cheaper. So whenever something is low price you have to the suspect something crooked is going on. Now let me ask you a question. How long do you think it takes to remind me to write one mezuzah? And then we'll discuss how much is my time worth. Let's go backwards. So so if I want to do a great job you're talking 3 and 1/2 to 4 hours. You're a mezuzah. One mezuzah it's two partial. Now tefillin is much larger than that. It's not two partial. It's it's eight partial. Now and the making and the construction is intense work. So to really also this sometimes I'll give you an example. Let's say a guy is not a Yaris a mine. So he might see that you know letter is a is not doesn't fear a sham. He's going to figure this out. I have to make my money. I work so hard. He might take a razor blade and like scratch a letter forming a letter in it because he he by with a razor blade he could actually scrape it all and give that appearance of the letter you're trying to create. That's a sore. You know, one time that's a great story about this. There was a family that had sickness and poverty and accidents and all the all the all the all the all the all the all the all the all the all the all 98 of them. So, they went to the Rebbe of Lubavitch a love of Shalom and the Rebbe told them to check the mezuzot. When they checked the mezuzot it was fine. So, they didn't know what to do. So, they went to a different sofer. Maybe the other sofer I don't know I didn't catch it. And you'd be surprised even today he when they have computer checks, even the computers are not reliable. Someone just showed me a mezuzah that was computer checked. I mean that's tefillin. It says "V'haya et shem Hashem." And the computer said that it's fine. Et shem Hashem. V'haya et shem Hashem. Computer It was looking at space, size. It wasn't looking at detail. The bottom line is that they went to a second sofer and he said I don't see a mistake. Now, they were embarrassed to go back to the the rabbi and say they said it's fine. So, they went to Rabbi Wosner in Israel in Bnei Brak who has the Mishmeres Stam which is an organization that's really like the FBI investigating who's really a legitimate sofer scribe and not just some guy that has neat handwriting and he never passed the rigid test test. It's a hundred It's a hundreds of questions you have to answer and they're not simple questions at all. So, anyway, the rabbi said call me the sofer. So, luckily they found him. They chased him down and you know what happened? He says, "Rabbi, what's wrong?" He says, "Well, your mezuzot aren't bringing protection to this home. They are seeming to have every problem that a problem that that could arise." And they said, "Well, I I go to the mikveh even before I write the names of Hashem. You know what all of that is? So the rabbi says, what? When you're doing the mezuzah every time you write the name of Hashem, you run to the mikvah? He goes, no. I I write the mezuzah and I leave out the Shemot. And then I go to the mikvah and then I write the Shemot. Now, anyone who knows anything knows you can't do that by mezuzah and tefillin. There's a issur shalo kesidran. You're not allowed to write it out of order. Each letter has to be perfect before you move on to the next letter. So here was a guy who who was in the business selling beautiful ketubah. I'm sure he got compliments. I'm I'm sure people said, "Ooh, ah." When they saw his font, the the script. But hello, there's so much more to the halakha. So that's why anyone who's going to going to uh uh something from eBay, uh they sell mezuzah for $39. What? So you So you think that the guy's going to do a bad job without looking for kulot that really assur? Uh forbidden. He He He's going to tell you you're not going to know the difference when you look at it. But he knows how many times he made a mistake, went back, he fixed the letter, it's pasul. Oh, he forgot a letter. Oh, he he scratches, sticks it back in. These are things that the naked eye wouldn't recognize, but anyone who who's a God-fearing person knows, no. You don't sell a mezuzah that you worked on for 4 hours for for $40. You know, the the cloth and the ink and that alone is already 10,000. So what, you want me to get paid for $9, less than minimum wage? So I always say, whatever you pay for a suit, that's what you pay for a mezuzah. You pay $200 for a suit, then that's what you should pay for your mezuzah. Um if you're paying less, uh let's say you get a deal. Someone says, "I'm giving you a mezuzah $100." I don't care if he looks like a holy rabbi. If if he's selling you a mezuzah that cheap, do yourself a favor and take it not to your doorpost, but to a different sofer. And especially if he's a magi'a. Magi'a is a higher caliber sofer. Just like a mechanic is not the same as the driver, a mechanic understands how his car is. The driver just knows how to move a car, but a mechanic understands what's happening. So, if you go to a sofer with a magiah, that means he's he's extraordinary. And by the way, in America today, they say there's approximately 400 soferim. In Israel, they say there's about 10,000 soferim. And magiahs, there's maybe um I heard a quote of 30 magiahs. It's a very rare thing. It's a mechanic. He has to go When When do you allow to fix it and how do you allow to fix it? So, the bottom line is um a lot of people today are writing mezuzahs and they're not certified. They never got smicha. So, it's really ridiculous to buy from them. Just like you wouldn't go on a road with people who don't have a license from the DMV. Well, Rabbi, the other question that always asked is how often and when is one required to check their tzitzit and to check their mezuzot? Okay, so there are different opinions on this. So, let's start from back in history. Originally, the reason why you had to check your mezuzah once every 7 years or twice every 7 years was because actually tefillin was once every 7 years, mezuzah was once every 3 and 1/2 years. The reason they did that was because mezuzah tended to get moldy. And today, we claim that our cases are much better. They They're not going to get, you know, dirt in there and they're they're vacuum packed or whatever you're going to tell me. So, that's why some people today became lenient. Why do I have to check it? Another reason chazal said to check it is to make sure it wasn't stolen. There have been many incidents that people like hit the mezuzah on the wall and how do they know it wasn't stolen? Um and believe it or not, there have been places where people stole the mezuzahs not because of the content, just because they liked the attractive case. But anyway, so today, people some want to reason that maybe we don't have to check as much as in the olden days. But the fact is we don't have the right to change something that the chachamim instituted years ago. We We don't have the caliber to change them in a group. That was the minag. You're someone that wants to be an authentic Jew, not an artificial imitation Jew, then you should check your mezuzot at least every 3 and 1/2 years or twice in 7 years. If it's a mezuzah in a synagogue or something like that, it does not need to be checked as often and as frequent. Tefillin should be checked again once every 7 years. There are those that argue that once it has a hazaka, it's good. But since we know that people sometimes leave their tefillin in their car, which is the worst thing for a tefillin if it overheats, we know it could fry an egg. It could cause a shalom in danger of a child. Well, that poor tefillin sitting in the in the dashboard is is getting sun-baked. So, because people do that, they they test their tefillin by leaving it in the cold frigid car or the hot car. So, therefore, it's just smart to make sure that that no letters are cracking. And a lot of times when people check their mezuzot, they're going to realize that the sofer that they counted on the first time was really a little lenient. I'll give you an example. I just checked someone's tefillin, right? So, there was missing crowns on the letters bet kaf yud. Now, everyone knows that the letters shin tav nun yud gimmel tav have to have a triple crown. But not everyone knows that the letters bet kaf yud need a single crown. There was no single crown. I just checked someone else's tefillin, and I was sad to tell him that it was pasul. I was very sad because this was a God-fearing guy. He sits and learns every day until 11:00 at night. And I took pictures on my phone and I texted it to him. And I just said, you know, take a look what is there. There was somehow like a splash of ink that must have gone during the writing that actually landed and caused a letter to be touching another letter. So, it's not mukaf kavya. So, at the end of the day, it pays to check just to make sure. You know, the worst nightmare a guy can have in his life is he thinks, "Okay, how many mitzvot did I have? Well, I at least at least I have one, you know, mezuzah, tefillin, and I mezuzah did that pretty good." And then he finds out that that wasn't good. So, if you have a mitzvah that you're doing so frequent, and every day you're you're you're multiplying your your zechuyot, then make sure it's great. You know, I can't wait for it to take down my own mezuzah that we checked recently, but I want to check them again. Or just take them down and check them again. Can't hurt. You know, I tried to not buy any mezuzah recently for my wife's work, and I I opened it up to the mezuzah peak, did it, and then I told the other sofer, "Again, I want my money back. This is not what I would call quality. I saw issues." So, it always pays to be safe. Give it to our guy. It's going to cost you. Today it costs anywhere between $12 to $20 to check one mezuzah. And like I said, if you're paying less than $100 for a mezuzah, get it checked. But if you're paying 150, 200, that's that's that's a logical sum. There's no reason a sofer who's sitting for 3 hours, 4 hours shouldn't get $50 an hour for his work. This is artwork. It's calligraphy. How do you say it in Hebrew? Menachem Manavas? It's the the question that I'm thinking about is uh how does one become a sofer? Let's just say the the truth is the truth is you cannot become a sofer by just copying. You know, you would think, "Okay, I'll sit with the computer. I'll Google Kitab Ari Zal. Okay, print it out. Sit there with my quill. Buy the the the quill, the turkey quill. By the way, speaking of quills, a lot of the sofrim today use metal. You're not allowed to use iron, but many poskim allow you to use metal. So, many of them take out something that looks like a pen. Can show it to you guys. But it's Some use ceramic. Ceramic cuz you never have to sharpen it ever again. Some use kanah, which is ideal, but the problem with the kanah, which is a reed, is that you have to sharpen it a lot like a pencil, and that slows you down. The notsah, which is the feather, is most popular and if you have good cloth and the good not saw then was fish you gum sharpened the right way, which is all skill in itself, how to turn a quill into a writing instrument, it's a great feeling. It just feel there's a there's a very there's a very good connection you feel when you're writing it. But what I'm trying to get at is that um, the way to become a sofer is to take a talmid chacham who is a sofer and get a one-on-one training. Not by just trying to say, "Okay, I can figure out these letters." No, no. It's not enough to figure out the letters because even in the letters there's so many halachos, what's the ikuva, what's l'chatchila, what's good b'di'eved, what is the mesorah? There's four different um, traditions. Chabad has their tradition of how to write a letter. Arizal, which is very similar to Sefardi, and then there's Rav Yosef. So, you have to know there's four different um, uh, scripts and which one are you learning from? So, there are um, there are rabbais in Israel and here in Williamsburg and in Borough Park and in Monroe, uh, not far from here, that can basically sign you up. Um, I know myself and I spent the entire winter learning the the Shulchan Aruch Siman Mem Beis and Siman Mem Vav with the Mishnah Berurah and Biur Halacha. That's a start. Then you have to get the Sefer Keses Sofer and if you really want to be uh, uh, aggressive, there's the four volume Sefer of Rabbi Zalman Braun, Yerech and then there's the Sefer Migdash Me'at. These are these are staples. If you get tested on these books, then you should be doing a great job. But like I said, it's not something they could figure, "Okay, I can learn Chinese and I could be a writer." No, no, no. This is This is something that's given over, a mesorah ish l'meish m'pish and and then you'll then you'll you'll start becoming a sofer, but you have to get tested. Um, the tests are available in Boro Park or in Williamsburg or in I want to hear it as well to the Gearbase Matters. Half of the test is in writing. You have to answer so much questions. Half of the test is oral and then they want to see you write. You know, to see if your is lacking any of the just to show you how serious it is. Let's say you wrote a letter Yud and you were missing the point on the bottom is called the so should have been a time. So even Sefardim will don't go necessarily going to have a no time. Over here they will add that little connect that makes a protrusion on the bottom of the left side of the Yud. But it says in the Shulchan Aruch that if let's say someone wrote a Sefer Torah to give me the result and you have a letter Yud there and you call on a tinok and he says you say to the kid, "What is that?" He says that's a Yud. Generally if a kid 7 years old can tell you what letter it is, generally that means it's a a passable letter. The bottom line is if it's missing that kots, the entire Sefer Torah is pasul. I'll give you one more chiddush. Let's say you have a beautiful Sefer Torah but the sofer was a little absent-minded and he forgot to say "L'shem kedushas Hashem" when he wrote the name of Hashem, that I am sanctifying the holiness of God as I write this letter, the whole Sefer Torah could be pasul. You know, so and and when we talked about eBay, I forgot to bring out that if someone is a mean and he writes tefillin, the halacha is it's supposed to be burned. Not even buried. In other words, it's not enough that that you have a kitav. It has to be a kitav that came out of somebody who lives by those words. If he doesn't live by those words that he's writing, then that's that's just fake. It's not the real deal. Wow. Rabbi Meiselman insights nonstop about the fruits very very interesting. Again, all this is mentioned in the new book the Rabbi is publishing. Yes, as a matter of fact, the new book, The Living Safer Torah, is already available on Amazon in a paperback version. But if you want to Give you the details inside. It's a 470 pages, full color pictures, and um so we're just going to do and um If you want uh let me know, let me email you the PDF and you have to forward it to anyone who inquires from Chazak that they want to review the book, you can send them the PDF. The compliments of the Torah show. Where where where where is it going to go to the Judaica store? Well, it's it's it usually takes about a 3-month turnaround to get the books back from the publisher. So, if I'm lucky, Rosh Hashanah it should be on your table. Is it to lose publishing the safer? Uh that's a very hard question to answer. Rabbi Mine Manopla's. You're right. Yeah, I guess I guess you could say that way. But I will thank all my sponsors that I that I went to who when they heard the words a safer Torah book, they just immediately said count me in. So, I'm Israel lovers the Torah and I saw that because I wasn't expecting to get 54 sponsors for the book, but if I do the math, there's probably closer to 300 sponsors. Wow, man. Baruch Hashem, it's me and you so Rabbi Mine Manopla's bringing safe full of insights about the the importance of having the holy writings as a fruit of so fair. It'd be your sham mind to have a right do it right. We have a custom of having all of us to write a final message that you can leave to our brothers. So, my final message is that if you are serious about becoming a sofer, you should anticipate that once you start with three megillah, and a megillah let's say it's going to sell for just for argument's sake $1,600. That's not a lot of money considering how many hours you're going to put into it. But each megillah you write helps you fine-tune and polish the art, the skill that you need to start writing with the result. Once you finish reading Megillah, you can go out to Mizor uh officially you start to Mizor without the Shema Sham just for practice. Once you feel that you could write it, staying in the line, that's the hardest part of staying in the line. You know, when you're writing you know you don't realize you always have to stop flush. By computer that's very easy, by hand whoa that is the got to be the trickiest part of being a sofer. But once you go grab sweet to that and to be then you can start doing real part of I have a friend of mine he just wrote his ninth safer Torah. Wow. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty huge. During COVID there became a big demand of safer Torah because this is good for sofer. It was bad for all the people that lost their life from the from that pandemic and so on. But for all the families that want to dedicate a safer Torah to their memory, sofer became so much more in demand in the past 3 years that they were literally able to double their fees. So in a sense, sofer which were never ever paid normal are finally getting more reasonable salary which is a nice news for them. And whenever you buy let's say you buy tefillin, don't just take a closed box and say okay, it looks like a good sofer should do. 1 second, 1 second. Would you would you buy something that the difference of your just because he looks like it? Ask him can I see a photocopy? And if he gives you a photocopy, you can show it to the qualified sofer. Or Mizor, I want to see a photocopy what what did I just buy? Can I see a photocopy before you roll it up? I want to show if they're honest enough to give you that, then you show it to someone then you know at least I shame I did my my due duty. But if you're just going to say listen give me just give me I really I don't have time I know this guy he's has here for the past 2 days for for 6 hours. He's looking for a true sky Majnoon. I mean I just I want I drove for $30. What can So guess what? The same guy that can't put his coat and tell me what day I drove is the same guy that gets that cheap Mizuzah. He He tells the software how much he wants to pay. That's not the way you do things. You don't say, "Hey, I want a cell phone for 80 bucks." No, you don't. You say, "What's the best cell phone? $800? All right. Okay, give me two. That has to be the attitude. That the software should be compared to the material and even if it sounds outrageous, what? $3,000 for the building? 2,000 Just know he's not outrageous. He's actually normal. Outrageous is all the scam artists out there that are trying to sell things that are holy and they're not. And I'll leave you with one final story. There was a Genizah in Arizona where people where when there was a mistake in the Genizah to building, they would put it in here. You'd say, "Oh, these are special burial." And there was a scam artist that would go in there, take out the personal stuff, repackage them, and voila, make some parnassah. So just know that gezel is has been a rampant thing in the world of safroot, and we should be zoche that only kosher stam products should be in our homes, in our children's homes. I'd be a Mashiach now and our rabbi say in the zechut of proper stam, and that's zechut enough, Mashiach now could come. Is that the sham word for Rabbi Meyer Rubenstein shedding light on this topic? We want to thank you for your time. We want to thank you for all that you do for all of these other Jewish people. 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