The Rebbe’s And Chabad position on Zionism And politics, Rabbi Gedalya Oberlander - 5785

Yesterday, everybody knows the date was higher. What's higher? Some people celebrate and say hallelujah and some people fast that day. Now what is the approach of and what is the in this whole uh Zionist movement you know the whole medina is how is the the look the approach of the reba of the rabbi on this Indian in the end we're going to touch a mashi on the votes which go which goes now through the world's sign in this organization which some people say you should vote some people say shouldn't shouldn't vote you know touch on it and drop but basically first I want to uh make a clarity which is a very very important topic because uh a lot of by us anash totally got it wrong and mitad uh some things which they saw the rebba did and said they got right, wrong, the whole They took and they went way way way far. So therefore I want to make clarity a little bit in this ma we see by by the rabb from one side we see radical uh sayings against the zionist movement other side we see the rebed that you shouldn't give other support the rebought that you shouldn't give give backto the reb was mikv um and took or even uh other times uh people which were involved in the government of of Israel. The Reb was uh that hold that if a person does not land in yeshiva, a married person if he does not land in yeshiva should join the army if it's a in a in a mat that he could uh it's it's it's kosher for Yiddish. If it's anger which is Yiddish guide then if you don't learn then you should go there. guy name. So there's a big uh you know uh ability so to speak if you look at it is what what what do we know about the saying this of of the Zionist movement now we all know the famous was a I don't know say how do you say it but but huh fanatic. No, I'm a snag is a worse than strongly opposed the Zionist movement even if it were would have been a government very sharp very sharp and it's printed this whole thing is printed everybody can take it out in the hagdum of kintay there's a very sharp letters and the whole the shab movement There was once a yeet, his name was Shinburgger. A lot of people heard of him. He was the masides and he used to come to America for money and other things. And he went into the reb more than once. And he once asked the rebba ban the reb was a big koi and the rebiko and the rebba answered him this is a story which I heard from I heard it from all the sources but I heard it from that's a very real source because he knew on a personal level and told asked him what are you talking about we just recently printed over the kintay with the and all the People should know and understand that this whole is is the same as as it was once. What are you talking about? Not only that, not only that, there's such thing as the giml. Now if you go you take the moa and you see a lot of the first part the third part third first third part of the is regarding the now writes it's very harsh and theb old there was there was a lot of other which hold it's not first of all some say it's only it's it's a the whole the whole is only says but even the say it is a is a concept there's a lot of person hold that the three the Three go together. The first one of the isalis should not be mos and go to ru against against against the the wishes of the nations. Then there's another for the nations that they shouldn't suppress khali's rule very harsh. So a lot of hold that it's connected the three. If the are suppressing kal's rule very hard then the other is also null void. The rabbi did not hold like that the whole is and is also to have a medina even when it is everything is from it's not it's not secular from whatever it should be it's also not only that the rebb went a step further and of theb met with theb and the rebba said for theb that basically there's no such thing as the out of day because all the nations the United Nations agreed that Khal's rule may you have that Eden can have a Medina so there's no such thing as which a lot of contemporary po like that the Rabbi answered him if this is your whole uh that you it's not a promise because the nations agree that you should have a nation then tomorrow the United Nations is going to vote against this whole Jewish state and then you're back to square one so the reb said, "No, the only reason why I hold that day has to exist is since over there, you cannot just say like some wants to say you just give back the keys and the you give back the keys you have October 7." We know also that 1948 Yeah, it's published imprinted in my Malik the day which was was the the the vote was that it should become a a Jewish state I don't think I remember who who the guys one of the old saw the reb was when around 770 you know you know hyped not hyped what worked worked up so we went over to the Reb, you know, why you so you know why, you know, we got the votes. So the Reb says this, we waited 2,000 years. This is the thing which we saw for 2,000 years to get this. This is what we have. This is it. Okay. A minus. It was a plus. was a big sim. The people were dancing in the streets and saying halb is great as as you we know the famous letter which the rebba wrote for the ni of madin's rule beni and the rebba did not they title him's rule and he wrote to the rebb are you talking you know am I high and the famous answer is the rebba answered him that's the language from when I went to and Even before that I started to fantasizing and imagining that's the real word imagining how the gil is going to be which is going to be such a gill we we understand and we going to say it was worth the 2,000 years being in exile in golas and we're going to understand the whole golas And over there then it's going to be which was going to be and therefore when I give a look at I don't have the heart and I kind of bring myself to write on you because that's not ani and he wrote him in the face you know which you are still in golas and we're still suffering I cannot do it I'm sorry. So we we see we got a bit of the picture of the drebb never said this doesn't exist this word wasn't in the reb's mouth was and they as the why and the rebel have as a letter again everything is documented as a letter the reb that's not the name is rule he gave and you know Never. Not only that, there was we all know was a lot of years we didn't have did not have the of the Reb was had a shisha but there was a dinner which in order to to uh how do you say to uh one of the nunam to satisfy him and he demanded you should sing the at the dinner. Yeah. And once the Reb heard that there was song that by that by by the dinner the Reb says I'm sorry I don't want to have this and the reb took off the for years it took years they should beg and beg and beg and the rebitions they put it back so again the reb was radical against the Zionist movement radical bringing politics there's no you You know the freed once said the rebu was a big supporter of tira. Let me let me bring it to your attention. Big supporter. How do I know? I know it because I have the letters of real simmer. Real simmer was the canoi number one. And the reb was a big supporter. Not only is a big supporter. He wrote a whole cipher against which is called it's three languages of Hebrew is called and in Yiddish is called the tomb the the Medina and the Edenum. And there's also in English who's huh gimmelus. And who sponsored the the the publication of it? Who sponsored it? Who paid for it in ZB? He paid for it. And not only that, the Reb wrote for him at the before he was finished with the book. The Reb wrote over and said, "It's not sharp enough, but I'm not going to make you write her over because you should you should publish it. Reb is not sharp enough." And believe me, I know this book. I have it. It's shimon. So this a real simmer writes writes he had had with and he writes letters to blow what he had fascinating. Some are planted but it was edited by the by the by the by the boy family. But I have the original I made years ago and the family I don't know he wrote it to he wrote his he was he was a a radical against Zionist movement and he came to the rabbis and then he went out and said wow I never saw a person which he looked so uh so such a big Zionist such a big canoe and became a barian and he was the first person who translated in Yiddish he knew 17 languages he was a translator in the United Nations for the United Nations. He so he writes that the Reb said the I like and I support them because they're real. They don't take anything from the Medina. They don't take any money. They don't take personal but the people who are cano and when it comes to their personal lives they take all kind of money. This is so he writes reb was against he had a lot of nice cute things which uh which he writes the at least you see the mind of the you should go into the to the to the government that was against the current that that that's that's way off because they now they're going with the Arabs. What are you talking about which so therefore first of all is as we should take part in we should anything which has to do with politics and supporting any. So therefore the whole thing of taking taking stage should give is we were never into politics and there's no justification what they did has to be a big and I don't understand how much lost not only him even a few months later was galant we are aid wants to come and say we are open for everybody but giving a platform for uh just because he holds of of not giving But he has other things which is against he goes out which is against now again on his person as I mentioned before is the rebed in the supported when there was a war they should go the rebba was was was again if if a person doesn't learn and he's married and it's that he could be you should go he has no no justification. So how does this work together? The answer is very simple which himself said there was a story there's a his name was a big and he wrote on the GI Indian of Kavatar there was a bigish contemplant if you go from there to Japan where you hold chabas and that's one of the reasons why we are not going to to no to Australia that's clear but the the Iowa um Hawaii Hawaii Hawaii there's Shabas that's one of the reasons because there's a big because there's a big problem if it's Sunday therefore stay away now now he wrote on the so there was a big one a lot of there was one which was basically he gave out the Turkish language constantly and he had a different had a third And the Reb was like wrote against below the belt very sharp. And the Reb went when he came into the asked why did you write so person so sharp. So he said that that is none of this under the holds and let's make it clear and that's the one of the biggest mistakes which we have today's minds against anybody who says Medina is rule as Medina is a beginning of the gul that's a part of the gula is the rabbi explains it modern modern orthodox yeah is why the rabbi says the ra writes exactly how the guil is going to come and according to the it cannot be the way it is the rab says clear and there's no religion which argues with the raom that you I cannot say I want to pass my other so everybody agrees with raam So you passing again against you pass against and therefore it's sobb the cash holds that he wrote and nothing to do with nothing. So so he so he said to the rebb said why did you write on so so harshing him? So he said to the another thing the Reb said once against mention over here comes I'm against and I'm not against a person that's why if you have a Zionist Nusi or president or Shazar or whatever it should personally on a personal level. Something else anything which had to do with the rhyme with the with the ideology of Zionist vivious against. So again anything which had to do with which says I was with I agree with wasb against. So therefore flags was remember the first I was when I was when I became a and it was they make every year new programs then there was a program that all the children from all the cities by the song they came with the flags they came in the flags with their own with their own this Israel had no flag there's no sh Israeli flag no such thing I was so pull I fascinated you know anything which had to do with as the medina is Why? Because Zionism is going not because if you ever read you shouldn't read it but if you ever read the the the Ryan of the forefathers of Zionist he himself said to the Vatican and said we are ready to convert everybody all all Jews to Christianity. We should have a state but all the was that we gave to in order how do you make a y which doesn't have were all over the gas how do you connect them together how do you make a family should hold connect together so you have to have something to stick together what is the sticking together they have a toy we don't need a toy we need a toy in order to stick together because we are in ghoul If we have a a medina, if we have a country, we have a language, we are going by, we don't need to language. You can see you can read if you read a little bit what was there you know once but they didn't want to write so they they wrote serious rule what serious rule could be so the mindset and therefore Anything was against all the way fully sharp now as it is as it is like this. The Medin are du facto over here. Zamukum which thousands of people got refugee refuge of of of after the war as the Rashag asked the Beler was free visited and he went to the freed told me we should go the and ask what is the answers for the which is printed also again in the bel sources the answer for that a battle that means gulas because between is the worst gulas gave us after the war we should have a place we should he gave that you should s you can have your own community he gave kings and crownab and he gave a place which they can sit down and we have to watch it because if anything we we lower our standards in in in therefore you cannot give back because they'll come and take us and they make October 11 there therefore you have to go in if again if it's that you don't learn and it's mas okay you have to watch not only in ifro If the go wants to come into Mand want to ken you have to have a shir you have to have a shamra you have to have guns uzies you have to prepare we don't you live there you have to go not not necessarily no not necessarily It's all the reason because if the then has to also go over you you have to pay if not you go to jail if you can get I don't know if this you know let me stop over Anything exception of the Ryan is total totally that's why the is anything which has to do with the symbolity of the Middle East flags anthem that's what a few years ago they wanted to give they wanted to give lip yeah what before hay makaba with maba to put on a a flame I don't know exactly will explain a torch they do every to mention that they did something special yeah and and and lip and says he cannot take it because that's already that's already identifying with the list and I think we should not identifying with is the given aggressor because again as I mentioned the exist holds that the reb was so therefore that was anything which has nothing to do with factor we have a medina that means we have a country and we have to we have to protect Eden and we have to be able to learn we have to put in people should go in the class because we have to protect Toyota That's a problem because then we we alabad are not into politics. So very important thing that was the biggest mistake why we we bring these into talk because you identify with a party you identify with a with a but was against politics divide between problems it makes the one time which we went with we had a lot of problems but then we have to go because but we should bring people which which is in their in identify with a party. So, so therefore when it comes to when it comes to going protest against giving back and if you want to go one thing but holding a Israeli flag why in in in the old interviews which doing in a lot of people do not this this division Maybe if anybody wants to hear hear clearer than there is a lot of letters which I hope one day was saying print but there's famous two letters which he wrote it's called it's printed I had I had have it already 40 years but there was a a group of oil and they printed it and it was printed four or five madas with additions that was against it but who asks him and it's good they didn't ask him it's very important letters and over there you can have yeah exactly and over you have a lot of clarity of the sobb is all the things anything which comes um now another thing one more thing before I'll get to the punch line is not identified with politics is against there was which asked the rebb why you shouldn't he was it was Yeah. He asked the Reb, why shouldn't Kabad participate in the world um world Zionist movement years ago and then the answer is identifying with a political move. So therefore he wanted the should come out more from deputies automatically then you can make a change says cannot come out because that's politics politics. We don't want to get identified also to say is when you go with one party you're going against the other parties given the unionbident. So now anything which has to do cannot come out in public and anything with politics because we don't identify politics. So now let's just finish up regarding regarding the today's day should you vote or could you vote in the world Zionist organization or not? Now first of all let's make it clear there's no such a thing as should come out and say you should go vote. It's no as I mentioned just even there's no such thing as you should say you could you should go vote because you mix together in politics which asks can somebody ask me privately could I go and vote for them what should be the answer oh so now is like this there are some which want to say that you cannot vote because you have to agree to the platform of the Jerusalem, the Jerusalem platform and the Jerusalem platform is I went over the new Jerusalem platform this year made every before the election make new platform I went over carefully three or four times I don't see anything over there which you cannot they asked one of the question asked rabbold that vote for the so when you vote for the automatically you are voting that has to um give a I don't know if it's swearing or giving aim a pledge allegiance to to the to the state and their laws. So how could you do it that anything which you could say on two ways it could be means so whenever it's not clearcut is yeah if you go through the I don't see things which is clearcut which is a problem I don't see problems clearcut person wants to issued a bonaf there's a letter which surfaced lately from the reb and one of rabbi Bronstein which he was involved heavily in the world organization as the rabbi the same question why don't kabat or make more fumin come in and take over because we have to understand one thing why does world is is a nothing is a is an organization which is a fundraising organization they fund raise over a billion dollars a year which is sent et and they divide it for kmas how to give what to give land for uh there's the four or five things which they they give a money making and if you have more the positions or you could give you have more influence on the government influence so therefore he asked why shouldn't you move you know a lot of from should come in notabad but why shouldn't a lot of answered can you will it make a difference that means you'll have a couple of from you know who's going to vote will it make a difference so to you you have the reform the cons of a big big big uh uh community then so assume that 100,000 yen let's say which which you it's not the now my question was the first thing I'm in it what's about with the whole project the Jerusalem project you know in the that you you believe in that then it's a practical and and he was right years ago there was no point of pushing in Jewish from from the members because it didn't make a difference nowadays when the reform and conservative are very very very getting the fa have a big chance to come It's I don't know exactly the policy but last time the GIA was heavily you should vote this year they backed out. I don't know why but I'm excited. Understand the changes they made in the Jerusalem. Look at the changes we made in Jerusalem. It's much more favor than it was one day. No, there are certain things that the idea you have to support because of the whole fight that's going on with the Bakar and and and they're saying you have to support everyone. So that's a it's a clash because they they what one of the changes they made in the Jerusalem project that you have to support they should support all youth go to the IDF and which sounds including okay and there and because of the current fight that they're having right now with the okay that was the reason but last time that was power day now nowadays was lately a report that there was a lot of that you shouldn't go vote for where Jerusalem they realize they got they got information that who makes this all the who pays for this the conservative movement they don't want the fish come in and take over as they do everywhere when they come into community and they eventually take over yeah which is going to happen anyways but so what did they do clothing and then right you know so therefore they don't want it so Again should any come out you should go with them? No politics and cannot say clearly that you should go vote we stay away a a person for itself a problem to to to vote I don't see a big problem but I feel since backed out and a lot of backed out is the said would you make a difference or not I'm not sure that our vote will make a big difference because last time five years ago So the oil was heavily in in in involved in in the elections this time. I don't know difference. So that's up to everybody organization will join this organization. No, no, you should go vote for