Chanukah: One Who Forgot to Make the Bracha Until the Last Candle - The Ruling of Rabbi Akiva Eiger

this Tower class is brought to you by torahanytime.com something a little bit different we learned something when I get Hanukkah and we're going to speak out a question that is raised by Rebecca Vega and we're gonna see uh the pack of the mishna Brew about this situation now it's really a very big privilege to be able to learn Rebecca Vega I believe that if a person wants to train themselves to think properly so the first thing you need to do is you have to learn Gomorrah but if you want to hone in either even further uh Ravi kibeger's uh writings are certainly a very important way to train your mind to think clearly and to study his analysis is a very important way to train your mind so Ricky Vega brings the following Shiloh let's say it's the eighth night of chanukkah yeah it's the eighth night and you forgot to make a brother we know before you like Daenerys of Hanukkah you make on the first night you make three broccolis you make lahadlachner you make and you make let's say it's from from after the first night of Hanukkah you make two brothers if let's say on the eighth night or the seventh night or the sixth ninth after you lit almost all the candles you realize you didn't make a brush and you have one candle left could you now make a bracha on the last candle yes or no could you only make a bracha on the first candle or maybe we'll say even though you already lit that first candle but now you have one more candle to go you could still make the bracha on the last candle so you're a bit of lighting the candles and um yeah for whatever reason you had temporary Amnesia and your um you get there you lie one two three four five six seven yeah one two is I had to make a broken can I now make a bracha on the a for candle that's the Shiloh I think so because uh just like uh if you put yourself on Multi yeah you know you stop running about yourself oh my gosh I gotta say emotions and you can take another bite okay or maybe in that respect so jealous you want to say just like when you're still in the middle of eating as long as you get food left you could still make a bracha so here are two by Nero's Hanukkah also if you still have a candle left you should still be allowed to make a Racha okay well we'll see about that momentarily begins I sing that the brothers of alanisim and shakyanu you could definitely make even if you've completed lighting all the candles let's say for instance on the first night of Hanukkah you met the first candle now you have nothing to go you have zero to go Charlotte you could definitely make you know why because even somebody who is not lighting candles and merely is walking through the street and sees someone else's manaira is allowed to make by looking at someone else's so why should my Menorah be any worse than someone else's money so if again so if I let my menai finish with the midst entirely but I finished with the myths entirely and I Rose I didn't make any brachos on the first night of Hanukkah even I could make shaasanism and I can make but the question is could I make now on the first night on the first night of Hanukkah if I already lit one candle there is no way in the world I could ever make ladley commercial I ready I already did it there's nothing to make Hanukkah you can make Allah I'm looking at someone else's candles and I can't make it on my Menorah if I already lit it myself but now the question is it's not the first night of Hanukkah it's the second the third the fourth the fifth the sixth the seventh eighth and I lit the candles but I have one left so maybe I can make on that one candle that's the question Republican I can make by looking at the menorah it's no worse than looking at anyone else isn't it I can make by looking at my Menorah it's no worse than looking anyway but the question is what about the highly commercial Hanukkah so really what it boils down to not what it boils down to that wasn't so okay but what it boils down to is could you make a bracha on his or mitzvah were you already performed the Mitzvah and now the only thing you have left is you want to be mahada you want to do it mahadrin can you make a bracha on mitzvah foreign of course you can make a broken header mitzvah let's say in my house they're gonna be uh a lot of menorahs yeah now the question is who remembers how many people in our household half the light of an area how many people have to light the menorah for the house however according to the rambam the rambam says everybody in the family has to like the menorah right that's how the ashkenaz and passing like the rambam that everybody in the family has to light the menorah what a maid uh males and non-married females yeah non-married females oh so wives don't do it wives don't do it okay with the husbands Rev salavechik has some type of Salvation Housewives do do it but the Mr Brewer disagrees we don't do it wives do not do it wives don't lie tonight so so that that according to the ashkenazim the icker the the the ickerdin the Iker had in only one person lights but it's considered Mahajan it's considered a nice way of doing that everyone in the family does it male or female so I'm sorry for rights females don't do it but you should know and according to many many postcode even single girls like some surface is not but that's uh that's uh some sort of writes in this condition but according to the simple understanding of the rambam everyone in the family lights except for a married woman wait a second what do you mean everybody lights when I'm the Bella bus I lit I made a bracha How Could my son make a bracha is he of tonight he's not obligated to light the menorah he's doing it no he's fulfilling yeah but how can you make a brother the midsole is performed already the Iker halacha was performed away the only thing he's doing is he's doing hither so you make a Brach on hither ah we have Araya that you make a bracha on hither Mitzvah that's what Vega says we have a very clear proof that you make a brother Mitzvah the fact that everybody in the family lights the menorah and makes sabracha it's a proof you can make a bracha even on hither there's no proof it's not a proof you know why listen very carefully if my son wants to light the menorah what do you mean he wants to let them know but I'm lighting it why isn't he I'd say with me the answer is he's with me ah once he's makave with me then by him lighting it's not a hinder for him to light he's to light now once his cavano is not to be used with the balabayas it's not a hitter for him to life he's obligated to life because nobody lived for him because his his mindset is cavana was not to be used with the balabayas so you can prove from the fact that everyone in the family makes a bracha that you can make a Brach on hither Mitzvah because once they choose to light their cavana is not to be used so then they're in so they're not making Abraham they're making Abraham so bottom line is we want to know it's the eighth night of Hanukkah and you lit seven candles and you have one more time you say oh yeah I didn't make a bracha could you make a bracha on the eighth candle rabbi the eighth candle are you have to light eight candles on the eighth night of chanukkah no yes no how many no no don't tell me what because you're not so so on the eighth night of Hanukkah you're only mcleave to light one candle Lighting in candles is mahadrin so maybe I can't make a bracha imagine means to do again according to the letter of the law how many candles you have to light every night of chanukkah one lighting corresponding to what day it is is only considered Theodore hither means beautifying the Mitzvah it's not the it's not the Baseline obligation it's just doing the Mitzvah in a more beautiful way so now the question is can I make the bracha on just beautifying the missile or maybe no maybe you could only make the Brach on the Baseline Mitzvah and the Baseline myths I already did right all right that's the issue it's let's say the fifth night of Hanukkah so I'm supposed to be making the rock on the first candle the first candle is the obligatory Mitzvah in this case I already lit the candle and I forgot to make the bracha now the additional candles are only Hider Mitzvah are you allowed to make so that's the shine one huh he's not going down no I mean that that would only be it first of all if it's the eighth night of Hanukkah that would only work out if you let one candle but if he would two three four he's not he's also he's not going down and also you can't do you can't pass it like this channel okay so you got the question again the question at hand is the Baseline obligation every night of Hanukkah to Light One Candle yeah but in this case he already did the Baseline obligation and the additional candles are only hid their Mitzvah can you make a Brach on hithermith so that's the shine so Ricky Vega says that for this you have to look in the prehadash look at number two raises a similar question is it's the sixth night of Hanukkah it's the seventh night of Hanukkah let's say it's a seventh night of Hanukkah and he was a little famished if I blunge it a little confused a little hazy and Daisy and even though it was the seventh night of Hanukkah he thought it was the sixth night of Hanukkah and he only LED Six Candles and then he realized after he light Six Candles he still has one candle to go can he make a bracha on the seventh candle again in this case not like the case we were discussing we were discussing the case with a guy completely forgot to make a bracha when he lit the candles and now he has one candle to go could he make a rock on the final candle no she's talking about a different case he made a bracha on the manaira but he didn't write the collect the correct amount and now he has one candle to go do we say well my brother did not go on the seventh can when I made a bracha I thought it was the sixth night of Hanukkah so my bracha was only going on Six Candles now I realize it's the seventh night of Hanukkah and I have one more candle to light maybe now I have to make another bracha Rabbi if you didn't make Brava can you shut down all the lights again no it doesn't help you ready did the Mitzvah dude put the new candles no he did the mints already Mr is over he did it the fact that you put it out doesn't well what's the if you like near Hanukkah and then uh somebody comes into the room and he puts it out you got the Mitzvah you did it that's the shadowing marshabus you know it's good what if you lit the menorah and all of a sudden someone in the house opens the window and it blows out after one second you don't like it again you don't have to light it again you already did the midst one so are you allowed to light the candles and then blow them out no I didn't say that it's a Shyla it's a Shyla if you like the cat it depends if your mindset was to light it out so then you never lit it in a way that it was going to last for 30 minutes because you knew you're gonna blow it out but if let's say you're planning on leaving it and then you have to run out to a wedding and now you want to blow it out for safe now we could discuss that we could just go no not for safety reasons say the reasons you knew beforehand if you knew beforehand then you're not then uh you can't blow it out for safety reasons no it doesn't have it has to be able to burn for a certain amount of time it doesn't have to burn first right but if you know you're going to learn to burn out then we can't make then we're not gonna say it was able to burn for a certain amount of time because you knew you were going to blow it out now the question is could you change your mind and what maybe that's a different story but again Rebecca veger Shiloh was where you forgot to make the bracha and with one candle left you want to make the broth on the additional candle but you didn't know what night of Hanukkah seventh seventh candle says the prehadash no number one because the icar Mitzvah is one candle the additional candles are only hither Mitzvah you don't make a bracha and Hider mitzvah and then the pre-cather says a Whopper safe says the story wanna hear a story when Everyone likes a good story this story took place many years ago in the city of lunil where's lunio in France and it was the fourth night of chanukkah and they only lit three candles and now we have one candle to go says the base you are safe you don't make a bracha on the fourth candle why because when you originally made a bracha the bracha the kavana of the rakawas that this will be going on any candles that I'm going to be lighting so even though in my mind I only plan the lighting three but when I make Havana is any candles that I'm going to be lining my brother should cover so then when I realized I have I really supposed to be lighting four candles the broker already during the fourth candle because when you made the bracha you don't think only going on these three candles you think whatever candles I need to be lining it should be going on and now I realize I have to be light one more you don't make a bracha because the original covers even the fourth candle so it says so you see you don't make Abraham hither mitzvah so that's how far there's nothing to do with Spider-Man that way I'm gonna make it on the first day then they would take care of everything however this space he is safe that the prehadash quotes not only does it not prove that you don't make a rock on hither mitza it proves that you do makeup what but they says it says that the story happened in lunia and it was the fourth night of Hanukkah and they left three candles and the base said you don't make a broth on the fourth candle so don't you see you don't make a brother mitza on that for no you see you do make up Hawaii because the basically safe says what's the reason why you don't make a rock on the fourth candle because when you made the bracha originally the Cavanaugh was that that bracha should cover even the fourth candle even though but that implies that had it not been for your kavana covering all the candles you would make a Brach on Heather Mitzvah you would make abracad an additional candle and therefore in this case where I didn't make any bracha originally and it's the eighth night of Hanukkah I lit seven candles I said yet and now and now it's I have one candle left let's hit their Mitzvah the only reason the base the ice safe says not to make a rock on the remaining candle is it because the original broccoli is covering all the candles but in this case where I didn't make any broadcasters it would seem from the base guys if you would make a bracha and in fact the eliar rabba poskins that not only do you make or Mitzvah you even make a bracha on hither mitza so it says in our case at hand where it's the eighth night of Hanukkah and you lit seven candles and you have one candle left and that candles hither Mitzvah should you make a Brach on it so right now it's between is lighting more than one candle beautifying the mitzvah and the Elia rabba says no you do make Abraham the proof would be from the base of Joseph himself because basically Joseph says the only reason you don't make a rock on that fourth candle is because the Cabana when you made the original Bronco covers all future candles well in this case I didn't make any bracha so I should make a rock under their midsole now so if um if you were all post-skim over here if you were all halachic authorities at this step in this year if somebody would come and say you know what it was the eighth night of Hanukkah and I and I forgot to make a bracha and now I'm up to the last candle should I make a bracha yes or no yes what would the answer be ER so far I didn't hear any right answers yes now we're talking I'm just talking if that right yeah so it's not like it's what you don't make a broken header now your rabbit says you do make it so what do you do when you have a Mahalia suffix you can't make a Raha because the preakadas whenever you're not sure whether to make a broth or not now if it's food don't eat the food it's like you know I don't know what broccoli to make on the food no don't eat it don't eat it but if you're not sure whether you make a Brach or not then you don't make a bracha but says Roberta I'm gonna throw in two more factors why if it's the eighth night of Hanukkah and you lit seven candles you're going to make a bracha on the final candle or the final so far we only have one factor and that's the Eli Arab who says you make Abraham okay right it could be the second night and you have one to know you're right it could be anything but you you started it with the play bites is the kid supposed to do how not supposed to do according to that is no so that sort of thing where bikina said that when a kid that even according to the freehadash that you don't make Abraham a kid who wants to make a who wants the light would make a Hawaii because his kavana is not to the Yoji with the balabayas once he's makave not to be I say so now he's in so his brother is okay yeah no it's a man can a man make a block on this son's Bridge ah very good so Mr Grossman wants to know yeah a person has a son and he makes sabracha as soon as the kid is born again and everybody's saying well what's wrong with this guy the brisk is on the eighth day he said no I'm gonna it's gonna go on the Eighth Day the answer is no because by that time already your mind is distracted you've in the in the interim your mind has been distracted from the Mitzvah and that's a hefsec that's an interruption between the bracha and the performance of the Mitzvah eight days later in general when it comes to making Abraham Mitzvah you're supposed to do it immediately prior to the performance of the missile so for instance when you put on your Talus you don't make a bracho and the talus is in the bag because that's too much in advance you don't make a rock when you take the talus out of the bag that's also too much of that you make the broccoli while you're holding it over your head about to wrap it so you hold it and then you do the atifa so there's the eighth candle and the first candle so I think you said that the eight can was covered by making a block on the first camera yes no no so you want to know why why is it not an interruption let's say I made a bracha and I let three and I realized they're supposed to lie to fourth so we said well the bracha covered the fourth why don't we say that's an interruption because it's within enough time and you're not involved in other activities you're still involved in doing the Mitzvah so your mind has not been distracted from the performance of them so the bracha is not considered interrupted from the full performance elements you're still actively involved in it what happened if you forgot let's just say that you got the phone oh and then you had a phone call somebody says what today's the fifth day and then you got distract them oh so then now we're dealing with uh that would actually be exactly like a case where somebody entirely forgot to make any bracha and then he remembered with one candle left right and uh you're very good a case where person did make a bracha and then lit too few candles and then got distracted would be exactly like a case where a person did not make any Brock at all and then he remembered with one or two candles to go it does make a difference you go you go left to right now you start with the leftmost candle and you go toward the right okay you go from your left to the right okay but it has nothing to do with anything we're discussing today okay um Ager what's the halacha if you're a male dominating he goes hey I didn't make a brush on my Talus you said well you know the gamara says you have to make the bracha before the performance of the mitzvah so that's why you make the broccoli before you put on the towels before you put on the tone well what if you're milled down you say hey I put on my towels 40 . so I didn't make a makeup are you up the creek without a panel let's say you put on your fill-in and then you realize at the end of that I didn't make a brachan's fill in well it's not a problem because you could always make a bracha on Talus you could always make abracades filling while you're still wearing the talus and wearing the villain because the bracha will be before the continued wearing of the last 10 minutes of you wearing in other words yes you have to make a brothel before you perform a Mitzvah but Talus and philan has continual performance so even though you didn't make the braco before you put it on you can make the bracha now and then the next 10 minutes your brachas before the next 10 minutes of wearing the talus where the next 10 minutes of wearing this villain but let's say you know now in the middle of the show you say hey I didn't make a Brach on my Talus this morning you can't make a rock on the talents anymore because the performance of the missile is over right now let's say it was hey I didn't make a rock on my phone this morning well hopefully you'll make a bracha tomorrow right so the is that if you're still within the performance of the Mitzvah you can make the bracha on the continual performance but once the the myths is complete you can't listen carefully that ha they're different kinds of Mint Slice certain kinds of mitzvos you do it and then you're finished the mix is over and certain kind of Mitzvahs have duration of time says the rush any Mitzvah that has duration of time the language of the bracha begins with salamid for example foreign once you wash your hands and you dried your hands you're done you can't say oh I forgot to make a rose until now I'm gonna make it now too bad you're like you're out yeah but there's no Mitzvah to eat an apple there's no mints in the tire yeah but it sounded Brussels we're talking about slice yeah you realize after you started fighting the Apple yeah well you have to make a broken The Next Bite right okay but the Lord are different than Allah says the rush do you make on Hanukkah Hadlock us no we have oh they had like means it's a mystery that has duration what is the duration of the myths of Hanukkah it has to burn from when for how long what does the gemara say s it has to burn the amount of time from when people go home until people get home I should take a regular in other words you have to put in enough oil to last for 30 minutes let's say I put in enough oil to last for 28 minutes well hopefully you did other mitzvos that day but you didn't get the midst of near Hanukkah right hopefully you put on your filling right that day hopefully you're feeling well it wasn't on your nose also but near Hanukkah you didn't get right now Hanukkah you didn't get if you put in enough oil to last for 28 minutes you're out you're all burnt down you didn't get the missing so that means duration like Talus and filling well the same way Talis and filling if you forgot if you forgot that to make the bracha you could always make the bracha in middle of wearing the towels the middle of wearing this villain so too near Hanukkah maybe you'll make the case within the half hour it's in the duration of doing the Mitzvah so the mitzvah's still being performed so I could still make a rock on the Hanukkah within the first half hour even though you could make the case that it's not like Allison's villain why because you can put the lid in Philly nothing after that again because even though the Mitzvah has duration but the act of the Mitzvah is merely delighted in a way that it could last that long but once you lit it it would be difficult to make the case that it's a continual performance of the Mitzvah you wouldn't say it's not like Palace and stone Palestine every minute that you're wearing it you're you're fulfilling a mid-sub by narcanica not every minute it's burning you're getting a Mitzvah it's just that you have to light it in a way that it burns for 30 minutes but not every second it burns you get it you're still performing the midst of but still nevertheless you could make the case as if a kid anger does that since the rush Compares lighting the menorah to wearing talisense villain as long as it's still burning I don't know it's still burning it's still within the time frame of a mitzvah and therefore you could still make the bracha so according to that reason even if you little let's say you let all the candles you let all eight candles and you realize you didn't make a bracha according to that you'd still be allowed to make the Brava because just like Talus with while you're wearing you can make the rock I'm just like tell them all you want to get some wings while it's burning for that first half hour you still make the Raja says I'm not willing to go that far I need two reasons yeah in order to make a broccoli you need two reasons number one is within that half half and frame of the Mitzvah still being oh you need to you also use the opinion of the eliaraba they're on a hither Mitzvah you can make a rock and since I have one candle left which is still beautifying the Mitzvah I can make a bracha but you need both reasons together but if you already lit the eighth candle and now I'm not doing the midst I'm not doing Hitler Mitzvah you can't just rely on the fact that it's like tallest and filling and it's still within the time frame of the performance of the mitzvah plus Ruby cubaeger says you could throw in one more reason to make the bracha and that is there is an opinion which we don't pass that if I put on my Talus and then I take it off and I put in his bag and I remember I didn't make a bracha there are some place you could make the brother afterwards after you put in the bag Vitalis bites fill in by any Mitzvah no don't put it on again you can make a brown foreign but there are poiskins who say yeah but sister with all these three reasons together again what are the three reasons number one the Elio rabbit holds you can make a broken so you have one candle to go it's so hard to make a broth number two you're still within the duration of doing the Mitzvah in other words you're still within the first 30 minutes so the midst is not over yet you can make it and combined with the police game who hold that you don't that you could always put the oven maker after influence if you have all these three reasons together pascans will be keep the eager you can make a Brother on if you're tallest actually you're the eighth candle of the menorah do we pass in like rubikivago yes look at number six the mishnamura in Simon tafresh first he writes when you make the rock on the menorah you have to make the bracha before and then he talks about the following case you forgot to make right before you finish sliding all them in this car you remembered beer if you make the broccion yes but if you remembered after you lit all the candles then could you make the bracha you can't make lahada why because now you're missing the reason of the Elia rabba making a rock on hither Mitzvah there's no hitter myths anymore however you could make because it's no worse than singing but then the mission Brewer adds in number seven in the Charlotte the following so it's okay as long as you didn't lit the final candle right oh everybody say listen to this it's the eighth night of Hanukkah or David even the sixth night of chanukkah let's say on the sixth night you lit five candles I didn't light this thing I didn't make a bracha Fairway no you said in your mind yeah so it's the sixth night and you realize after landing five counts you to make a brother says you can make the bracha on the sixth you say all of a sudden Eden all of a sudden your sister opens up the window and the first five candles blow out so now you're no longer within the duration of doing the mitzvah because the the candles blew out then you can't make abracana sixth your rabbits say you could though your obviously well it's hid their midst so yeah but you says you need three reasons to be able to make the bracha on that six candle reason number one is it's hit or miss so that you have reason number two is there's some party skin that hold you could always make them after that you have but according to the reason of you're out of the duration of the Fulfillment so you don't have that anymore because the first five blew out so if the candles are still burning bright you could make the brother on the sixth if the first candles have blown out says you can't make the Brach on the sixth okay so that's the bottom line bottom line is do you make a rock on his or Mitzvah says again but in the case we're on the 690 left five and you was going to make a bracha we have three reasons to make the brown number one number two you're still within the duration of the mitza and number three there are places that bracos do not are not required to be made okay I wish you well you've just experienced 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