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Chanukah: One Who Forgot to Make the Bracha Until the Last Candle - The Ruling of Rabbi Akiva Eiger
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something a little bit different we
learned something when I get Hanukkah
and we're going to speak out a question
that is raised by Rebecca Vega
and we're gonna see uh the pack of the
mishna Brew about this situation
now
it's really a very big privilege to be
able to learn Rebecca Vega
I believe that if a person wants to
train themselves to think properly so
the first thing you need to do is you
have to learn Gomorrah but if you want
to hone in either even further
uh Ravi kibeger's uh writings are
certainly a very important way to train
your mind to think clearly
and to study his analysis is a very
important way to train your mind
so
Ricky Vega brings the following Shiloh
let's say it's the eighth night of
chanukkah yeah it's the eighth night
and you forgot to make a brother we know
before you like Daenerys of Hanukkah you
make on the first night you make three
broccolis you make lahadlachner you make
and you make
let's say it's from from after the first
night of Hanukkah you make two brothers
if let's say on the eighth night or the
seventh night or the sixth ninth after
you lit
almost all the candles
you realize you didn't make a brush and
you have one candle left
could you now make a bracha on the last
candle
yes or no
could you only make a bracha on the
first candle or maybe we'll say even
though you already lit that first candle
but now you have one more candle to go
you could still make the bracha on the
last candle
so you're a bit of lighting the candles
and um yeah for whatever reason you had
temporary Amnesia and your
um you get there you lie one two three
four five six seven yeah one two is I
had to make a broken can I now make a
bracha on the a for candle that's the
Shiloh I think so because uh
just like uh if you put yourself on
Multi yeah you know you stop running
about yourself oh my gosh I gotta say
emotions
and you can take another bite okay or
maybe in that respect so jealous you
want to say just like when you're still
in the middle of eating as long as you
get food left you could still make a
bracha so here are two by Nero's
Hanukkah also
if you still have a candle left you
should still be allowed to make a Racha
okay well we'll see about that
momentarily
begins I sing
that the brothers of alanisim and
shakyanu
you could definitely make even if you've
completed lighting all the candles let's
say for instance on the first night of
Hanukkah you met the first candle now
you have nothing to go you have zero to
go Charlotte
you could definitely make you know why
because even somebody
who is not lighting candles and merely
is walking through the street and sees
someone else's manaira is allowed to
make
by looking at someone else's so why
should my Menorah be any worse than
someone else's money so if again so if I
let my menai finish with the midst
entirely but I finished with the myths
entirely and I Rose I didn't make any
brachos on the first night of Hanukkah
even I could make shaasanism and I can
make but the question is could I make
now on the first night on the first
night of Hanukkah if I already lit one
candle there is no way in the world I
could ever make ladley commercial I
ready I already did it there's nothing
to make Hanukkah you can make Allah I'm
looking at someone else's candles and I
can't make it on my Menorah if I already
lit it myself
but now the question is it's not the
first night of Hanukkah it's the second
the third the fourth the fifth the sixth
the seventh eighth and I lit the candles
but I have one left so maybe I can make
on that one candle
that's the question
Republican I can make by looking at the
menorah it's no worse than looking at
anyone else isn't it I can make by
looking at my Menorah it's no worse than
looking anyway but the question is what
about the highly commercial Hanukkah so
really what it boils down to not what it
boils down to
that wasn't so okay but what it boils
down to is
could you make a bracha on his or
mitzvah were you already performed the
Mitzvah and now the only thing you have
left is you want to be mahada you want
to do it mahadrin can you make a bracha
on mitzvah
foreign
of course you can make a broken header
mitzvah let's say in my house they're
gonna be uh a lot of menorahs yeah
now the question is who remembers how
many people in our household half the
light of an area
how many people have to light the
menorah
for the house
however according to the rambam the
rambam says
everybody in the family has to like the
menorah
right that's how the ashkenaz and
passing like the rambam that everybody
in the family has to light the menorah
what a maid
uh males and non-married females yeah
non-married females oh so wives don't do
it wives don't do it okay with the
husbands Rev salavechik
has some type of Salvation Housewives do
do it but the Mr Brewer disagrees we
don't do it wives do not do it
wives don't lie tonight
so so that that according to the
ashkenazim the icker the the the
ickerdin the Iker had in only one person
lights but it's considered Mahajan it's
considered a nice way of doing that
everyone in the family does it male or
female so I'm sorry for rights females
don't do it but you should know and
according to many many postcode even
single girls like some surface is not
but that's uh that's uh some sort of
writes in this condition but according
to the simple understanding of the
rambam everyone in the family lights
except for a married woman
wait a second what do you mean everybody
lights
when I'm the Bella bus I lit I made a
bracha How Could my son make a bracha is
he of tonight he's not obligated to
light the menorah he's doing it no he's
fulfilling
yeah but how can you make a brother the
midsole is performed already the Iker
halacha was performed away the only
thing he's doing is he's doing hither so
you make a Brach on hither ah we have
Araya that you make a bracha on hither
Mitzvah that's what Vega says we have a
very clear proof that you make a brother
Mitzvah the fact that everybody in the
family lights the menorah and makes
sabracha it's a proof you can make a
bracha even on hither
there's no proof it's not a proof you
know why
listen very carefully
if my son wants to light the menorah
what do you mean he wants to let them
know but I'm lighting it why isn't he
I'd say with me the answer is
he's
with me ah once he's makave with me then
by him lighting it's not a hinder for
him to light he's to light now once his
cavano is not to be used with the
balabayas it's not a hitter for him to
life he's obligated to life because
nobody lived for him because his his
mindset is cavana was not to be used
with the balabayas so you can prove from
the fact that everyone in the family
makes a bracha that you can make a Brach
on hither Mitzvah because once they
choose to light their cavana is not to
be used
so then they're
in so they're not making Abraham they're
making Abraham
so bottom line is we want to know it's
the eighth night of Hanukkah and you lit
seven candles and you have one more time
you say oh yeah I didn't make a bracha
could you make a bracha on the eighth
candle rabbi
the eighth candle are you have to light
eight candles on the eighth night of
chanukkah no yes no how many no no don't
tell me what because you're not so so on
the eighth night of Hanukkah you're only
mcleave to light one candle
Lighting in candles is mahadrin so maybe
I can't make a bracha imagine
means to do again according to the
letter of the law how many candles you
have to light every night of chanukkah
one
lighting corresponding to what day it is
is only considered Theodore hither means
beautifying the Mitzvah it's not the
it's not the Baseline obligation it's
just doing the Mitzvah in a more
beautiful way so now the question is can
I make the bracha on just beautifying
the missile or maybe no maybe you could
only make the Brach on the Baseline
Mitzvah and the Baseline myths I already
did right all right that's the issue
it's let's say the fifth night of
Hanukkah so I'm supposed to be making
the rock on the first candle the first
candle is the obligatory Mitzvah in this
case I already lit the candle and I
forgot to make the bracha now the
additional candles are only Hider
Mitzvah are you allowed to make so
that's the shine one
huh he's not going down no I mean that
that would only be it first of all if
it's the eighth night of Hanukkah that
would only work out if you let one
candle but if he would two three four
he's not he's also he's not going down
and also you can't do you can't pass it
like this channel
okay so you got the question again the
question at hand is the Baseline
obligation every night of Hanukkah to
Light One Candle yeah but in this case
he already did the Baseline obligation
and the additional candles are only hid
their Mitzvah can you make a Brach on
hithermith so that's the shine
so Ricky Vega says
that for this you have to look in the
prehadash look at number two
raises a similar question
is
it's the sixth night of Hanukkah it's
the seventh night of Hanukkah let's say
it's a seventh night of Hanukkah and he
was a little famished
if I blunge it a little confused a
little
hazy and Daisy and even though it was
the seventh night of Hanukkah he thought
it was the sixth night of Hanukkah and
he only LED Six Candles
and then he realized after he light Six
Candles he still has one candle to go
can he make a bracha on the seventh
candle
again in this case not like the case we
were discussing we were discussing the
case with a guy completely forgot to
make a bracha when he lit the candles
and now he has one candle to go could he
make a rock on the final candle no she's
talking about a different case he made a
bracha on the manaira but he didn't
write the collect the correct amount and
now he has one candle to go do we say
well my brother did not go on the
seventh can when I made a bracha I
thought it was the sixth night of
Hanukkah so my bracha was only going on
Six Candles now I realize it's the
seventh night of Hanukkah and I have one
more candle to light maybe now I have to
make another bracha Rabbi if you didn't
make Brava can you shut down all the
lights again
no it doesn't help you ready did the
Mitzvah dude put the new candles no he
did the mints already Mr is over he did
it
the fact that you put it out doesn't
well what's the if you like near
Hanukkah and then uh somebody comes into
the room and he puts it out you got the
Mitzvah you did it
that's the shadowing marshabus you know
it's good what if you lit the menorah
and all of a sudden someone in the house
opens the window and it blows out after
one second you don't like it again you
don't have to light it again you already
did the midst one so are you allowed to
light the candles and then blow them out
no I didn't say that
it's a Shyla it's a Shyla if you like
the cat it depends if your mindset was
to light it out so then you never lit it
in a way that it was going to last for
30 minutes because you knew you're gonna
blow it out but if let's say you're
planning on leaving it and then you have
to run out to a wedding and now you want
to blow it out
for safe now we could discuss that we
could just go no not for safety reasons
say the reasons you knew beforehand if
you knew beforehand then you're not then
uh you can't blow it out for safety
reasons
no it doesn't have it has to be able to
burn for a certain amount of time it
doesn't have to burn first right but if
you know you're going to learn to burn
out then we can't make then we're not
gonna say it was able to burn for a
certain amount of time because you knew
you were going to blow it out now the
question is could you change your mind
and what maybe that's a different story
but again Rebecca veger Shiloh was where
you forgot to make the bracha and with
one candle left you want to make the
broth on the additional candle
but you didn't know what night of
Hanukkah
seventh
seventh candle says the prehadash
no
number one
because the icar Mitzvah is one candle
the additional candles are only hither
Mitzvah you don't make a bracha and
Hider mitzvah
and then the pre-cather says a Whopper
safe
says the story wanna hear a story
when Everyone likes a good story this
story took place many years ago in the
city of lunil
where's lunio in France and it was the
fourth night of chanukkah and they only
lit three candles and now we have one
candle to go
says the base you are safe you don't
make a bracha on the fourth candle why
because when you originally made a
bracha the bracha the kavana of the
rakawas that this will be going on any
candles that I'm going to be lighting so
even though in my mind I only plan the
lighting three
but when I make Havana is any candles
that I'm going to be lining my brother
should cover so then when I realized I
have I really supposed to be lighting
four candles
the broker already
during the fourth candle because when
you made the bracha you don't think only
going on these three candles you think
whatever candles I need to be lining it
should be going on and now I realize I
have to be light one more you don't make
a bracha because the original covers
even the fourth candle so it says so you
see you don't make Abraham hither
mitzvah
so that's how far
there's nothing to do with Spider-Man
that way
I'm gonna make it on the first day then
they would take care of everything
however
this space he is safe that the prehadash
quotes
not only does it not prove that you
don't make a rock on hither mitza it
proves that you do makeup
what but they says it says that the
story happened in lunia and it was the
fourth night of Hanukkah and they left
three candles and the base said you
don't make a broth on the fourth candle
so don't you see you don't make a
brother mitza on that for no you see you
do make up Hawaii because the basically
safe says what's the reason why you
don't make a rock on the fourth candle
because when you made the bracha
originally the Cavanaugh was that that
bracha should cover even the fourth
candle even though but that implies
that had it not been for your kavana
covering all the candles you would make
a Brach on Heather Mitzvah you would
make abracad an additional candle and
therefore in this case where I didn't
make any bracha originally and it's the
eighth night of Hanukkah I lit seven
candles I said yet and now and now it's
I have one candle left let's hit their
Mitzvah the only reason the base the ice
safe says not to make a rock on the
remaining candle is it because the
original broccoli is covering all the
candles but in this case where I didn't
make any broadcasters it would seem from
the base guys if you would make a bracha
and in fact the eliar rabba poskins
that not only do you make
or Mitzvah you even make a bracha on
hither mitza
so it says
in our case at hand where it's the
eighth night of Hanukkah and you lit
seven candles and you have one candle
left and that candles hither Mitzvah
should you make a Brach on it
so right now it's between
is lighting more than one candle
beautifying the mitzvah
and the Elia rabba says no you do make
Abraham the proof would be from the base
of Joseph himself because basically
Joseph says the only reason you don't
make a rock on that fourth candle is
because the Cabana when you made the
original Bronco covers all future
candles well in this case I didn't make
any bracha so I should make a rock under
their midsole now so if um if you were
all post-skim over here if you were all
halachic authorities
at this step in this year if somebody
would come and say you know what it was
the eighth night of Hanukkah and I and I
forgot to make a bracha and now I'm up
to the last candle should I make a
bracha yes or no yes
what would the answer be
ER
so far I didn't hear any right answers
yes
now we're talking I'm just talking if
that right yeah so it's not like it's
what you don't make a broken header now
your rabbit says you do make it so what
do you do when you have a Mahalia
suffix
you can't make a Raha because the
preakadas whenever you're not sure
whether to make a broth or not now if
it's food don't eat the food it's like
you know I don't know what broccoli to
make on the food no don't eat it
don't eat it but if you're not sure
whether you make a Brach or not then you
don't make a bracha but says Roberta
I'm gonna throw in two more factors why
if it's the eighth night of Hanukkah and
you lit seven candles you're going to
make a bracha on the final candle or the
final
so far we only have one factor and
that's the Eli Arab who says you make
Abraham
okay right it could be the second night
and you have one to know you're right it
could be anything but you you started it
with the play bites is the kid supposed
to do how not supposed to do according
to that is
no so that sort of thing where bikina
said that when a kid that even according
to the freehadash that you don't make
Abraham
a kid who wants to make a who wants the
light would make a Hawaii because his
kavana is not to the Yoji with the
balabayas once he's makave not to be I
say so now he's in so his brother is
okay
yeah no it's a man can a man make a
block on this son's Bridge
ah very good
so Mr Grossman wants to know yeah
a person has a son and he makes sabracha
as soon as the kid is born
again
and everybody's saying well what's wrong
with this guy the brisk is on the eighth
day he said no I'm gonna it's gonna go
on the Eighth Day the answer is no
because
by that time already your mind is
distracted you've in the in the interim
your mind has been distracted from the
Mitzvah and that's a hefsec that's an
interruption between the bracha and the
performance of the Mitzvah eight days
later
in general when it comes to making
Abraham Mitzvah you're supposed to do it
immediately prior to the performance of
the missile so for instance when you put
on your Talus
you don't make a bracho and the talus is
in the bag because that's too much in
advance you don't make a rock when you
take the talus out of the bag that's
also too much of that you make the
broccoli while you're holding it over
your head about to wrap it so you hold
it
and then you do the atifa so there's the
eighth candle and the first candle so I
think you said that the eight can was
covered
by making a block on the first camera
yes no no so you want to know why why is
it not an interruption let's say I made
a bracha and I let three and I realized
they're supposed to lie to fourth so we
said well the bracha covered the fourth
why don't we say that's an interruption
because it's within enough time
and you're not involved in other
activities you're still involved in
doing the Mitzvah so your mind has not
been distracted from the performance of
them so the bracha is not considered
interrupted from the full performance
elements you're still actively involved
in it what happened if you forgot let's
just say that you got the phone oh and
then you had a phone call somebody says
what today's the fifth day and then you
got distract them oh so then now we're
dealing with uh
that would actually be exactly like a
case where somebody entirely forgot to
make any bracha and then he remembered
with one candle left right
and uh you're very good a case where
person did make a bracha and then lit
too few candles and then got distracted
would be exactly like a case where a
person did not make any Brock at all and
then he remembered with one or two
candles to go
it does make a difference you go
you go left to right
now you start with the leftmost candle
and you go toward the right
okay
you go from your left to the right okay
but it has nothing to do with anything
we're discussing today
okay
um
Ager
what's the halacha
if you're a male dominating he goes hey
I didn't make a brush on my Talus
you said well you know the gamara says
you have to make the bracha before the
performance of the mitzvah
so that's why you make the broccoli
before you put on the towels before you
put on the tone well what if you're
milled down you say hey I put on my
towels 40 . so I didn't make a
makeup are you up the creek without a
panel let's say you put on your fill-in
and then you realize at the end of that
I didn't make a brachan's fill in well
it's not a problem because you could
always make a bracha on Talus you could
always make abracades filling while
you're still wearing the talus and
wearing the villain because the bracha
will be before the continued wearing of
the last 10 minutes of you wearing in
other words yes you have to make a
brothel before you perform a Mitzvah but
Talus and philan has continual
performance so even though you didn't
make the braco before you put it on you
can make the bracha now and then the
next 10 minutes your brachas before the
next 10 minutes of wearing the talus
where the next 10 minutes of wearing
this villain but let's say you know now
in the middle of the show you say hey I
didn't make a Brach on my Talus this
morning you can't make a rock on the
talents anymore because the performance
of the missile is over right now let's
say it was hey I didn't make a rock on
my phone this morning well hopefully
you'll make a bracha tomorrow
right so the is that if you're still
within the performance of the Mitzvah
you can make the bracha on the continual
performance but once the the myths is
complete you can't
listen carefully
that ha they're different kinds of Mint
Slice
certain kinds of mitzvos you do it and
then you're finished the mix is over and
certain kind of Mitzvahs have duration
of time
says the rush
any Mitzvah that has duration of time
the language of the bracha begins with
salamid for example
foreign
once you wash your hands and you dried
your hands you're done you can't say oh
I forgot to make a rose until now I'm
gonna make it now too bad you're like
you're out yeah
but there's no Mitzvah to eat an apple
there's no mints in the tire yeah but it
sounded Brussels we're talking about
slice
yeah
you realize after you started fighting
the Apple yeah well you have to make a
broken The Next Bite right okay but the
Lord are different than Allah
says the rush do you make on Hanukkah
Hadlock us no we have oh they had like
means it's a mystery that has duration
what is the duration of the myths of
Hanukkah it has to burn
from when
for how long what does the gemara say s
it has to burn the amount of time from
when people go home until people get
home I should take a regular in other
words you have to put in enough oil to
last for 30 minutes let's say I put in
enough oil to last for 28 minutes
well hopefully you did other mitzvos
that day but you didn't get the midst of
near Hanukkah right hopefully you put on
your filling right that day hopefully
you're feeling well it wasn't on your
nose also but
near Hanukkah you didn't get
right now Hanukkah you didn't get if you
put in enough oil to last for 28 minutes
you're out you're all burnt down you
didn't get the missing so that means
duration like Talus and filling well the
same way Talis and filling if you forgot
if you forgot that to make the bracha
you could always make the bracha in
middle of wearing the towels the middle
of wearing this villain so too near
Hanukkah maybe you'll make the case
within the half hour it's in the
duration of doing the Mitzvah so the
mitzvah's still being performed so I
could still make a rock on the Hanukkah
within the first half hour
even though
you could make the case that it's not
like Allison's villain
why
because you can put the lid in Philly
nothing after that again because
even though the Mitzvah has duration but
the act of the Mitzvah is merely
delighted in a way that it could last
that long but once you lit it it would
be difficult to make the case that it's
a continual performance of the Mitzvah
you wouldn't say it's not like Palace
and stone Palestine every minute that
you're wearing it you're you're
fulfilling a mid-sub by narcanica not
every minute it's burning you're getting
a Mitzvah it's just that you have to
light it in a way that it burns for 30
minutes but not every second it burns
you get it you're still performing the
midst of but still nevertheless you
could make the case as if a kid anger
does that since the rush Compares
lighting the menorah to wearing
talisense villain as long as it's still
burning
I don't know it's still burning it's
still within the time frame of a mitzvah
and therefore you could still make the
bracha
so according to that reason
even if you little let's say you let all
the candles you let all eight candles
and you realize you didn't make a bracha
according to that you'd still be allowed
to make the Brava because just like
Talus with while you're wearing you can
make the rock I'm just like tell them
all you want to get some wings
while it's burning for that first half
hour you still make the Raja says I'm
not willing to go that far
I need two reasons yeah in order to make
a broccoli you need two reasons number
one is
within that half
half and frame of the Mitzvah still
being
oh you need to you also use the opinion
of the eliaraba
they're on a hither Mitzvah you can make
a rock and since I have one candle left
which is still beautifying the Mitzvah I
can make a bracha but you need both
reasons together but if you already lit
the eighth candle and now I'm not doing
the midst I'm not doing Hitler Mitzvah
you can't just rely on the fact that
it's like tallest and filling and it's
still within the time frame of the
performance of the mitzvah
plus Ruby cubaeger says you could throw
in one more reason to make the bracha
and that is there is an opinion
which we don't pass
that if I put on my Talus
and then I take it off and I put in his
bag and I remember I didn't make a
bracha there are some place you could
make the brother afterwards
after you put in the bag Vitalis bites
fill in by any Mitzvah no don't put it
on again you can make a brown
foreign
but there are poiskins who say yeah but
sister with all these three reasons
together again what are the three
reasons number one the Elio rabbit holds
you can make a broken so you have one
candle to go it's so hard to make a
broth number two you're still within the
duration of doing the Mitzvah in other
words
you're still within the first 30 minutes
so the midst is not over yet you can
make it and combined with the police
game who hold that you don't that you
could always put the oven maker after
influence if you have all these three
reasons together pascans will be keep
the eager you can make a Brother on
if you're tallest actually you're the
eighth candle of the menorah do we pass
in like rubikivago
yes
look at number six the mishnamura in
Simon tafresh
first he writes when you make the rock
on the menorah you have to make the
bracha before
and then he talks about the following
case
you forgot to make
right before you finish sliding all them
in this car you remembered beer if you
make the broccion
yes
but if you remembered after you lit all
the candles
then could you make the bracha
you can't make lahada why because now
you're missing the reason of the Elia
rabba making a rock on hither Mitzvah
there's no hitter myths anymore
however you could make
because it's no worse than singing
but then the mission Brewer adds in
number seven in the Charlotte
the following so it's okay as long as
you didn't lit
the final candle right oh
everybody say listen to this
it's the eighth night of Hanukkah or
David even the sixth night of chanukkah
let's say on the sixth night you lit
five candles
I didn't light this thing I didn't make
a bracha
Fairway
no you said in your mind
yeah
so it's the sixth night and you realize
after landing five counts you to make a
brother says you can make the bracha on
the sixth
you say all of a sudden
Eden all of a sudden
your sister opens up the window and the
first five candles blow out
so now you're no longer within the
duration of doing the mitzvah
because the the candles blew out
then you can't make abracana sixth
your rabbits say you could though your
obviously well it's hid their midst so
yeah but you says you need three reasons
to be able to make the bracha on that
six candle reason number one is it's hit
or miss so that you have reason number
two is there's some party skin that hold
you could always make them after that
you have but according to the reason of
you're out of the duration of the
Fulfillment so you don't have that
anymore because the first five blew out
so if the candles are still burning
bright you could make the brother on the
sixth if the first candles have blown
out says you can't make the Brach on the
sixth okay so that's the bottom line
bottom line is do you make a rock on his
or Mitzvah
says again but in the case we're on the
690 left five and you was going to make
a bracha we have three reasons to make
the brown number one
number two you're still within the
duration of the mitza and number three
there are places that bracos do not are
not required to be made
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