Chanukah: How Did the Greeks Make the Oil Impure?

this torah class is brought to you by torahanytime.com rabbi there are many well-known questions regarding hanukkah we know of course the question of the bci safe and this past week we discussed the discuss the question of kai and brisker today we're going to discuss a not so well known question and that is the gemara tells us they defiled all the oil in the government they only found one jug of oil the acharyan asked the following question they asked they went into the azara now the gemara tells us that the azara had a dinner versus yeah a public domain after all it was opened to guyana of sweden anyone could go into the azar it was now what's that if you have a case of sufficient sarabin if you're unsure if something is tami or taha now we learned that from saitai if a woman goes into seclusion with a man and it's just that in a private place we don't know what happened we assumed something bad happened if it was public we don't assume that i don't understand how do we know the ivana defiled all the oil in the hay file well we have fingerprints on them no we just we're not sure where they were not preserved the torah but we don't have you know dna evidence that the kashmir touched it that the ivana touched it so if that's the case we should apply the rule suffix versus so why did i have to make a miracle use the oil you tell me but maybe they were matami suffice is tahr that's a good question who says they kept the oil on there in the azara maybe they kept it in some private closet so if you look in the gemaran shabbos and that huff base on the base where they go where this gemara is mentioned on the side of the page you have a footnote from rabbi akiva heger and rubiki vager and they go right take a look where you're learning shabbos and adafyoni [Laughter] so let's look there so you have on your sheet look in aleph on the second paragraph nura shalom had gone right but this would seem to be what riba kireiger's bothered by the guyana on the place they had four chambers on the four corners of the azar maharava's dromus in the southwest that's where they kept the wine the shaman that was the chamber of the oil so what aegis seems to be bothered by is if they kept the oil in this corner of the esvas notion that azara the establishment had a status of sarabin so if they kept the oil and it's just around them we should say suffix tommy so we have to look there maybe he gives an answer to the question so there's a a girl doll by the name of hagon rabbits rap report who's the author of shout outs he adds that wait a second derby says look at the rambam and the rambam seems to be saying they kept the oil in the azara but the gemara says timu [Laughter] it doesn't mean they only defiled the oil in the haithau it means even the little bit of oil that was kept in the house they defiled that too but certainly they defiled the oil in the in the in the azara so the question is but how do we know it's a suffix toma we had a dinner with just a robin yes yeah 700 000 people were there every day all the time yeah you sprayed them when didn't they couldn't fit six hundred thousand it was a nice when they came for the carbon pass out that there was room for everybody but it had the halal status of rishi sarabin we'll see in terms of in terms of we'll see we'll talk about this okay no it's just oh it's a rabbit so the kahuna wants to answer like this the bhatta kuna wants to answer that yes when the ramadan says they kept the oil on the azara that just means they kept the oil for the menachem yeah that's what we learned you know that what they found with the seals they're calling well that's what some suggest that's what some suggest but he he wants to say that the oil for the menorah they did not keep in the hijab that they kept exactly that that they didn't keep the only problem is many re-shine him when they say over this gemara for example and their illusion of timo which seems to indicate that they were matami everything why isn't it whatever was kept in the azara should be sufficient to her so i'm david chavel you know who wrote the annotated ramban from and he also wrote a safer called mishnak he wants to say that when the gemara says it doesn't mean that we're unsure exactly about the status of the oil because if it was just tomomi suffice it would have said it became tame timu means we know they actively selling and defiled okay now you would think the abundance doing what they did when they found the condition of the base of migration and and they put pigs or whatever they did in there they made a complete job yeah so you'd say well maybe did they add do we know they actively went and defiled every canister so yeah if it says timu right otherwise it wouldn't say the last of timo would say okay the and he writes an amazing thing he says where do we learn out suffix what's the source of that the source of that is the laws of sota that if a woman goes into the seclusion and through we have to assume something happened if she went into sarabin we say so that means like this if the law of suffix is that's what the rashford says one second one second exactly it's not possible it's not possible so that's so the rajma writes in the first paragraph that this is not just the unilateral rule suffix it is so victorious no it's dependent on the laws of yehuda if you have a case of tell me you're driving down let's say a country road when it's night when it's dark outside and no one's traveling then you've got to be careful country road may not have a status yeah but if it's let's say according to many machines if it's wide enough it would be uh sticker was just but not for this so think about it says the marsham thing to think about the following when the defiled the basal mechdas there were no jews inside the bay samiktas it was full of now what's the halacha if you have a hundred gayam a hundred male gayam and one woman yeah if you have a hundred yadisha men and one woman it's not yikr but if you have a hundred gayatri man and one woman so says marshall at the time the went into the hey yes technically speaking iranian shabbos is solution but at that moment there would have been an israelite why they had been in this zara because it was full of gaian so if at that moment there would have been an israel in the azara because it was maligayang then we would have had to apply the rule suffix even initially because it's not totally a certain size so if the road is big enough if the road right but the laws of the tahara are not dependent on the laws of israel for for shabbos so even if it's a hundredth calling it's after 100 that's i'll give you two more answers okay very quickly there's another famous question regarding hanukkah and that is why did hashem have to make a miracle with the oil why couldn't we use tahar or a tummy oil you say tell me how could you use tummy oil we have a toma is you're right technically tomorrow but when we inaugurated the best we wanted to do it in the right way hashem wanted to show his khiba to us that he wanted our perfect avodah how do we know tuma is how do we know that software thomas is around the time we learn it from from that's what the rashford says brings down from the you shall me that it's a kava climber are you ready for the man if thomas hodgson sibor that means if vadaytuma is permitted when you have arabim then certainly suffolk thomas taha but who says says foreign but we're not relying on tamaha but simba by hanukkah we don't want to rely on it by hanukkah we were we were saying because we wanted to do it correctly you can't make a cava climber that's sufficient in the star again what's the source that suffolk thomas is tahar brusha what's the we don't want to rely yeah one more one more times and that is if we just said earlier that the laws of sufficiency are dependent on the laws of [Applause] so once the night came everything became tiny this is what's brought down in the journal yeshua tough shin i and i don't touch [Applause] now we can answer a beautiful kashi ready for this question oh the ramadan learns that they didn't in the basement they didn't only light the menorah at night according to the rambam she says they let them know at night and during the day so let me ask you a question according to the rama that they lit them in there at night and the day why don't we light them at night and and during the day after all we're making azekah to the it lasted eight days and eight nights according to the other reason they didn't like the menorah during the day i understand why we don't like them in the day they're currently around us they've lived in another night and day so why don't we do the same thing says this journal an amazing answer because for the day we didn't need the nace of hanukkah because for the day we would apply the rules suffix to membership so we didn't need to find the the oil we only needed a miracle for the nighttime but it was only because of the night the the the miracle was only needed for the lyla once then i came in for the day you also needed it i mean you've just experienced another torah class brought to you by torahanytime.com