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So the Gamara told the story in today's
daf, two stories.
But one
a little longer than the others. I'm
going to read it after a while. Rav
Safra told about Mar bar Rav. Rav Mar
bar Rav. He said he came from Eretz
Yisrael. Rav Mar said Rav Vira Shmeini.
He said my name is Rav Vira. Rav Mar
said Maiseh there was a story.
So that's the way the story was
presented initially where somebody
brought a
animal base size there was a
that was there on one side and Rebbe
said it's a treifa. And when Abaye heard
this he says what? I thought only if
it's on two sides not if it's on one
side. And Abaye goes to great lengths
literally track down Rav Vira and he
asks Rav Vira tell me exactly how did
the story go down? He tells him the rest
of the story and then Abaye said I have
After this I have to go back to my city.
The story that I was told is not really
the way it happened and you know I
regret I'm going to show you this. Why I
even went to go and track you down
because really there was nothing
newsworthy over here. This whole story
was really a Mishna.
>> [snorts]
>> So
when
Rav Safra tells the story initially to
Abaye he tells him Rav Safra told about
Rav Mar bar Rav. Rav Mar when he came
from Eretz Yisrael we asked him his name
he said Rav Vira Shmeini. My name is Rav
Vira. Rav Vira Mar Golus like only Rav
Vira Mar Golus could ask a kasha on this
Gamara. A kasha from a Gamara in
Pesachim daf pei vav amud bais. The
Gamara says Rav Huna Breida of Nosson
ikla b'bei Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak. So
Rav Huna Breida of Nosson once came
he was a guest by Rav Nachman bar
Yitzchak. On
so the people in Rav Nachman bar
Yitzchak's house turned to Rav Huna
Breida of Nosson and they asked him
Mashmach what's your name? On so he told
them Rav Huna. My name is Rav Huna.
On so they said
can Can you please sit down? Yosif he
sat down.
They gave him a glass of wine. This was
old school. Kablo Zimna. Soon as they
offered him the wine he took it. Meaning
he didn't say it's okay I don't need it.
Oh you want me to take it no problem.
He took it right away. Vishnas B'trei
Zimnei. And when he took the wine he
didn't twirl it and he just took it in
two gulps. He drank the entire cup of
wine. Not just that had the appy.
There's a certain meaning of that when
you drink wine you go a little to the
side and you you drink it. That's not
what he did. Had the appy. Amru lei they
turned him and they said my time of
course who know. You know
I asked your name you tell me your name
is Rav Huna. I mean your name is Huna.
Who talks about themselves that way?
Amru lei Huna I'll be honest with you.
Bala shem ani. Rashi says Mikat Rusi
Kakh Rashi Rav Huna. They used to call
me Rav Huna since I'm young and and you
asked me
my name. I know since I'm a little boy
I'm known as Rav Huna. And it's for that
reason that's what I TOLD HIM. AND THEN
they Gemara said they asked him all
these different and hug him that he did
that the Gemara thinks was a little bit
of a stick. And that's the whole Sugya
that's going on over there. But here we
have a Gemara where Rav Huna walks into
Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak's house.
What's your name? And he says my name is
Rav Huna. And they're very taken aback.
Rav Huna? You call yourself Huna. That's
Gaifa right? Why would you call yourself
Rav Huna? And he responded his response
was that you know since I'm young they
used to refer to me as Rav Huna. So I
don't know since I'm a little kid this
is always the way they were
called me. Well if that's the case how
come when this Sugya bar
whose name was Rav Aviro came to Rav
Safra and they asked him what's your
name? He said Rav Aviro Shmeini. How
come they didn't ask him Rav Aviro call
yourself Aviro? That's what Rav says
over there. And Perek
when Rav Huna said that my name is Rav
Huna everybody was very taken aback. Why
are you calling yourself Rav Huna? It's
no one talks that way.
If that's the case why is it that when
he said that my name is Aviro they
didn't call him out for the same thing?
So
what did say? He said
that was what he said.
My name is
the whole ocean is a little bit funny.
My name is ask him his name he said
rather he said
he said the
what he was trying to say was is that my
name is not a zero. Oh, but I prefer to
be referred to I prefer the moniker as
rather
what he was saying is my name is rather
like this my uncle I'm
my first name of Vera is my second name
when
was asked his name rather said rather he
didn't say rather
this is my name and that's why they were
very taken aback
rather
no one talks this way and what was his
response his response was that No, this
is always the way I've been known in
fact much as a little bit rather she
says that what does it mean this is
always me
cut me rather
it could be what he was saying was no no
my name is not who know and I like
referring to myself as rather my name is
rather but the reason they asked him was
is because when they said
he simply said rather but
said rather
they understood that he suffered was
coming to say that my name is actually
rather but here's the point the point is
is that rather
name is not a zero but he prefers the
title rather his name is rather a zero.
What
say this what's his objectives that's
mentioned but kids are right here in the
yard.
It's mentioned very much not because
in a safe
and it's under the Mecca called to shame
so we've mentioned many times over the
years this the from the native Yehuda.
They're both very myrig, the Nachlas
Shiva, and they talk about how once upon
a time nobody had two names. This is one
of the most brilliant machkarim in the
whole lexicon of Torah from the great
going with my goals. But, he says that
they all said that you don't find
anywhere anywhere that anybody had to
even this matter of the rishonim you
couldn't find people that had today.
Everybody has two names, three names,
four names. But, once upon a time he
said nobody had two names. And say of my
goal is he goes through nuanced ways
where he believes he found people with
two names. It's not obvious. It's not
what's your name Rav Chisda Papa.
That'll be easy. But, no.
Things that you would never think. And
this Gemara right here
in the world of Rav Margolies was a
person that had two names. [laughter]
What are the two names? Rav is one name
and Avira is the other name. THAT'S RAV
AVIRA SHMEINI. THE WHOLE RAYA THEY
DIDN'T CALL HIM OUT ON IT THE WAY THEY
DID to Rav in the Gemara of Sukkah page
50. This is classic. Classic classic Rav
Margolies. And Rav Margolies has always
a punchline, right? He says I'll prove
to you. I'll prove to you that I'm
right. This is this is mamish epic. So
subtle, but again,
classic, right? We do this a lot. This
is classic. He says we know we know
everybody knows this. Anybody that's
ever learned Gemara knows this. That in
Bavel someone that got smicha they used
to refer to as Rav. And in Eretz Yisrael
if somebody had smicha they would always
refer to him as Rebbi. Right? There's a
Rashi in Super Sukkah somewhere that
talks about Rav Zeira. Rav Zeira and
Rebbi Zeira. So, Rashi Rav Zeira was
from Bavel cuz in Bavel everyone's a
Rav. And Rebbi Zeira is from Eretz
Yisrael cuz in Eretz Yisrael everybody
is a Rebbi. Who is this person? Amali
Rav Safra Lavaya Chazima Aitz Tuvim
Rabana De Asim Imarava. HE CAME FROM
ERETZ YISRAEL. SO, IF HE CAME FROM ERETZ
YISRAEL WHY IS HE RAV AVIRA? He should
be Rebbi Avira. The parents name is that
was his name. Rav Avira Shmeini. Rav
Avira Shmeini. And he in the footnotes,
he says that it could be with this he
could be me as he says cuz there are
other examples where you find some of
the
will refer to as Rav. And he says me or
they are thinking out loud. Me or they
are all those Ravs attacking our Ravs.
AND IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF
RASHI'S cloud that every single time you
find Rav it's about
and when you find Rav it's from
it could be in those cases also THESE
ARE
THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH TWO NAMES and
that's why it's Rav because Rav is
actually the of Now where did we speak
about this recently? We just spoke about
the name Rav. We spoke about it in the
Rashi and that we had not so long
[laughter] ago.
We are small used to refer to Rav as
Abba. And the is why do you refer to him
as Abba? Rashi says he used to refer to
him as Abba Abba.
says he used to refer to him as Abba
that was his name. Abba
and the question is that according to
so Rav's real name is now why is he
known as Rav? Rav is
but according to Rashi that he was
referred to as Abba Abba. and presumably
Rav Abba.
If that's the case what's his name? So
you know what I think his name is? I
think his name is really Rav. I think
his name is Rav. I think that's his
name. I actually think his name is Rav.
And
if his name is not Rav and they're
calling him
Rav cuz he's
so
when he wants to be he downgrades him
and instead of calling him Rav he calls
him Abba it doesn't make any sense. So
his name WAS RAV. NOW WHERE DO YOU find
anyone whose name was Rav? So at the
time we mentioned four examples. We
mentioned Rav bar Shabba. We mentioned
Rav
bar Rav. We mentioned Romi bar Rav.
Right? We mentioned a few different
places where you find the name Rav.
Here's another Rav. Rav Avira many. It's
one of two names. His first name was
Rav. His second name was Avira. The
bottom line is this is classic classic
and where is he coming to to this his
name was probably Rav Avira. Now because
of his
name is probably Avira and he's calling
HIMSELF RAV BECAUSE
I'M known as Rav Avira
that's the case. How come the didn't ask
the same question Rav Avira that they
asked Rav Huna and
it's interesting in one of the footnotes
here.
My goal is to say that it's you're
talking that the reason people would
give their child the name Rav
was because you know they were hoping it
was like a feeling.
They wanted that this child should grow
up and should be to become a Rav. He
says Marshall
you find in the name
Mar
Keshisha
says was a name. What does Keshisha
mean? It means old right means old Mar
Zutra Mar Keshisha but he says Keshisha
was old people used to give the name
Keshisha it's one of his theories that's
a real name it's a shame it's a name.
I
Where do you even find something like
that? So he says what do you mean in
people today give the name Alter right
what's the name Alter? Alter means you
should be
to be
see see there's a name called Alter that
name Alter has its roots in the already
says he says you find the name Keshisha
says I'm going to tell you one other one
I'll tell you one other one and that is
the name Bachya the name Bachya that's a
Sefardic name and who is Bachya? So
there's two Bachyas right
Bachya I know everybody gets excited
when you say Bachya
you say Bachya or the Bachya get excited
and if you say Bachya you don't know who
is Bachya it's a child so the bottom
line is
>> [laughter]
>> it was the
of all of Rabbeinu Bachya and of course
Rabbeinu Bachya the the Rabbeinu Bachya
so he says that there's a lot of
academics like very no one really knows
who Rabbeinu Bachya or Rabbeinu Bachya
is he says he's
heard he's heard he's heard a lot of
read on this so I'll just tell you a
brief to one last excerpt but it was
biography surely okay so some biography
work he
says Bachya in itself it was never a
real name came came in the school
that you should be
LIKE AFTER SO I FEEL LIKE SAYING ABOUT
IT'S A VERY VERY SIMILAR CONCEPT. That's
the IDEA FOR BY HERE
because I came the famous
who wrote his
and who wrote the
right it's the same author review I
should know his name is name is
his name was review
of a cool fan Xavier. I had my foolish
beside the camera. He said that he found
that in the end of the camera. Now this
camera he found in
the yard. I'm going to try to read this.
It's less manuscript
Hebrew La Real Biblioteca Madrid. So he
said he found this
rubber with my glasses, right? He saw
once and obviously it was stored away
somewhere. But the bottom line is this
came from some
Hebrew Biblioteca. In Madrid, Spain and
he finds there in this library Xavier of
the original camera. Amazing. And this
is what it says at the end. Become Islam
camera
actually have a rub review order been a
sure have a
review by here who's known as review by
here but either way he says he found it
before
in in a library in Madrid, Spain. The
bottom line is says the only thing was a
shame at some but it was like a key key
to the school. Rob was also a key. I
don't know doesn't mean that at the race
was you might be
by here don't sound like by here. After
is a name you give it a
rub I think also give a but it goes off
on a little bit of a tangent and he
talks about different names that you
find that people used to give possible
washing school
rub by here after but I shouldn't give
in your name of the name rub is a little
bit tricky. You have rub as in rub and
sometimes rub can be a shame at some and
it has fascinating to me this little.
one could be that was the name of the
great
just like small
rods name was robbed. It could be if
that's the case you going to have people
that had two names WITH
NO ONE EVER HAD TWO NAMES. WELL, IF
COULD BE A SHAME rather could be two
names anyone who has the preface of Rav
you might have to ask yourself. Maybe
his first name is really Rav and it
would also be me a ship the cloud that
every child knows that
that Rav is from bubble and ready to
marry
I am all you find some of the
like
and you find that he's referred to as a
Rav the terrorists is he's not being
referred to Rav as some sort of lotion
of
he's being referred to as Rav because
his name is Rav you saw it is that Rav
could be a shame
and once you know that there's a lot of
Karim that can flow from there I and
hate him in the
of
this is very much great
the
other one the mission of