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Calendaric trivia with Nachum Segal and Rabbi Dovid Heber on JM in the AM
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Nachum Segal welcomed Rabbi Dovid Heber back to JM in the AM for an entertaining and informative look at calendaric trivia on this Shiva Asar B'Tammuz. This morning’s interview was generously sponsored by Kari and Joshua Levine of West Hempstead, NY in honor of their dear children Atara & Daniel Aharon, Tamar & Ariel Kahan, Shoshana & Seth Schlank, and Meira. And in honor of their grandson Akiva Aharon. Wishing everyone an easy fast.
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After all, the three weeks format has
begun. It began last night for us.
And here we are on day one of a three
weeks format at JM and A.M. Could you
imagine? Day number one.
Shivas on Thursday. Tishabove
three weeks from today on a Thursday.
Wonder how often that happens.
You think he has the stats in front of
him? I bet you he has the stats in front
of him. I'm telling you, I have a
feeling. Uh, today our session with her
by David Heber, and I can't thank him
enough for joining us, is sponsored by
our good friends Carrie and Joshua
Lavine of West Hemstead, New York, in
honor of their dear children, Atara and
Daniel Aon, Tamar and Ariel Khan,
Shashana and Seth Schlank, and Mira, and
in honor of their grandson, Akiva
Aharon. A big thank you to Carrie and
Josh. Big supporters, great friends. uh
love with enthusiasm the work we do here
on the NHL single network and I thank
them very very much. Rabbi David Heber
is the director of the star computer
department. He's spiritual leader of
kahal aas semic in Baltimore Maryland
and the title he's most proud of of
course he is the calendaric trivia
expert for us here at JM in the AM.
Rabbi David Heber, a pleasure to welcome
you back to JM in the AM.
>> Good morning. Good morning to listeners.
An easy and meaningful titus for
everybody.
>> Are you an early morning breakfast
person on a fast? Obviously I am because
I'm up, you know, really early every
single morning. Uh, today was a bit of a
challenge because I actually, as I told
my listeners, the alarm went off at
about 2:10 and I was at my desk at about
3 a.m. How about yourself, Ray Heber?
Are you brave enough to simply eat last
night and then dive right into the fast?
>> Actually, no. So, I got up uh I got up
this morning. I did go back to sleep,
but I got up at 3:30.
>> Wow.
>> Which is early early for me.
>> Um and I ate something, drank something,
and then went back to sleep a little bit
and then got up for chakras, which we
just finished.
>> My wife told me that I didn't get up
early this morning. I got up in the
middle of the night. That's what she
told me. Anyway,
>> so what is the genesis uh of this
appearance by Rabbi Heber on the air? By
the way, you do have the stats in front
of you, right? Am I right or wrong?
>> I just I just fumbled them open. But
before you go further, I just want to
point out had you been in Anchorage,
Alaska, 2 a.m. would have been too late
to get up and eat.
>> By the way, correct? Because we know my
mutton's in Alaska right now. And he
told us that. Let me let me just bring
this up for a second. And I'm so glad
you mentioned that because not only
look, Alaska presents I I don't want to
use the word problem. Let's call it
challenges or situations we're not used
to. Like I want to be careful how I say
it. Uh but Alaska presents certain uh
certain um um strange situations.
Um here it is. He says he says that
according to his driver, it gets dark
little by little. uh till about 1:00
a.m. and then continues to get dark as
it approaches as it approaches 2 am. Uh
by 2:00 in the morning, it's completely
fully light out. There's no such thing
he says as
>> Right. That would make sense.
>> Correct. Right.
>> Right. No such thing.
>> What happens is midnight is is even here
technically is middle of the night
between sunset and sunrise.
>> Right.
um you know af
that moment is the right is
okay so in Anchorage what happens is the
sun goes below the horizon
>> and actually Fairbanks also has a very
small it's even um it's even a little
more light but it the sun goes a little
bit below the horizon and I would guess
at this I'm going to guess maybe it
looks like about 20 25 minutes after
Shia I don't have that number exact and
then at 2:05 about 2:04 a.m. is the
peak. That's when it gets to the lowest
point in the sky. So you never get and
then it starts working its way back up
again.
>> Right?
>> Therefore, it gets it gets lighter. So
in such a place the end of the the end
of Shabas is at 2:04 a.m. because that's
that's your by default that's your
that's your night
>> because now you work your way back up.
So you basically go from which is light
night to to dawn in in the snap of a
finger right
>> in in a split second. And therefore the
beginning of the tinus there when the
ready the morning the dawn has come
would seem to be you know 2:04 a.m. And
then at night since it doesn't really
get dark your fast doesn't end till 2:04
a.m.
>> Oh why wouldn't you say oh that's
interesting because again I read this
wrong. Let me say it more clearly. Uh,
starting at 12:30 in the morning, it
gets dark till 1, then it starts getting
lighter, and at 2 am, it's fully light.
So, you would say that you you would not
be able I don't think that's right.
Yeah. Yeah. Depends what city he's in
and not in Anchorage.
>> Yeah. I No, I'm Yeah, I'm not arguing
that. I'm saying in his case, you would
say that you got to wait till till after
2 a.m. Like, you wouldn't be able to
say, "Oh, it's already getting dark,"
or, you know, it's going to or it's the
darkest it's going to get and eat at
that point. You can't do that. You have
to wait literally moment. It's the
darkest. But I I don't think that that
the point between 1 and 2 if you're in
Anchorage getting between 1:00 a.m. and
2, it's getting darker,
>> right?
>> And then it gets to the darkest, right?
>> And then uh and in Fairbanks, it's even
less dark at 2 a.m.
>> Wow. Uh
>> unbelievable.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I mean, if you'd advise somebody,
you would tell them that if you're up,
eat at 2 in the morning. Like that,
meaning tonight. Like, that's what you
would say to them.
>> Wait. Yeah. presidental too because till
then it's uh
>> it's of course if they can make it that
far.
>> Yeah. But I mean come on Rabbi Hebra you
know like are you going to provide some
activities for them to do to get their
mind off of eating? I mean come on.
>> Don't take a hike. Don't take don't hike
today. That's for sure. It's very
relevant.
>> How about salmon fishing? Do you
recommend that? Some salmon fishing.
>> Yeah. No, not today. But it's very
relevant to people. And then just we're
on this topic. Okay. So people say okay
I'm not going to Alaska and I'm not
going to to Iceland for shabbas at
dishabove that's fine but people I can't
tell you how many shils I had people
flying
>> right
>> today and and that presents major
problems including
>> you know going north where people let's
say took off yesterday from New York
>> um somebody somebody took off from I got
a tech I got an email yesterday they're
in Abu Dhabi and they're flying to
Washington their flight was at 3:15 a.m.
>> Wow. Their flight started an hour into
the fast because they're flying north
and it's already and then I feel bad for
the person because
>> well this is the problem. This is the
problem when Fourth of July weekend
vacation takes precedence over to fast
day. What can I tell you? I think he was
on business. Oh fast he's fasting his
whole flight and then he's landing in
Washington at 9:00 a.m. and basically
has to fast the whole day.
>> Wow.
>> So it's it's it's rough. It's rough.
>> That is rough. Rabbi Heber with us of
course. Then I'm going through my usual
shtick this morning in the Eastern time
zone where I am. It's morning. In
Israel, they're already at MKA time in
the afternoon. And Australia, the
fastest, I'm assuming since it's winter
there, is already over. And you know, if
you know anybody in Hawaii and I, oh my
gosh. And then I say to myself on the
air, oh my gosh, early last night, I got
a call from someone in Maui, no joke,
someone who's spending Shabbas in Maui.
And I said, my gosh, the fast has not
started for them yet. Now it may have. I
don't know. But now is Hawaii similar to
the Anchorage problem or the light and
dark there is much more like the
continental United States.
>> Yeah, Hawaii actually would be would be
a reg almost almost like springlike. I
mean the day is probably 14 hours. So
it's it's normal. The only thing is
they're six hours behind us. So you're
right. It's right now
>> uh 2 in the morning. They have not
started their fast yet.
>> Correct. Uh the place really to go
with Thomas is Hobart, Tasmania,
Australia.
>> Yeah, that's
the earliest
place that has at least once a week of
minion,
>> right?
>> They ended today the fast at 5:30.
>> Wow.
>> Like like we do like we do on our Sarbat
basically.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> Amazing. Uh, and think about it, folks.
Think about I know it starts earlier.
Obviously, we get the whole fast starts
at night thing, but think about
Tishabove in the place that Heber just
said in Australia. Can you imagine
Hebra, you're basically It's probably
earlier, right? Like 5:15, I assume, or
5:20, something like that.
>> Right. Right. Right. You go to a
probably about 5:30.
>> Oh, wrong. I think.
>> No, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. It would be
later because there there it's already
getting later, right? Sunset in the next
three weeks.
>> A little bit. So it' be like it would be
like 5:40 and 8. So it would be like six
o'clock, right?
>> In that area, right?
>> Australia, the Southern Hemisphere, I
think they have programs some, you know,
some they do it at because
>> Oh, you're breaking up. But he don't do
this. You're breaking up.
>> Oh, I hear you hear me.
>> Oh, now I hear you.
>> You hear me? Hello.
>> Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah.
>> And after a They have a whole night in
front of them. It's, you know, it's
11:00,
you go home. And by the way, this is
this is the this is the joke we always
say about Australia with schmoo night.
Shoo night, you can make in the eastern
part of the United States, you can make
shoo night a three-hour adventure. If
you're stuck in Australia, boy, you'll
be learning for 12 hours.
>> I know that sounds good. I I
>> Hey, hey, it depends on your
perspective. You're a rub and I'm a bal
bus. We have different perspectives. You
know what I'm saying?
>> My dream. Although maybe I have to give
a shear for 12 hours, but okay.
No joke.
>> We'll have a special event because we
you
>> because there are a bun. There are abund
at night on night.
>> There are a bunn that give one shear. I
mean they do it in a way where if you
come in the middle you you know you
won't be lost. You know you'll be they
like have subtopics but there are rabbis
who do that you know.
>> Yes. I don't do that. I I did something
actually last year and this year a
little different. I used to most of my
batum you know like to learn and
>> right
>> you know they have a kabur that learns
and has at the end and I speak right
before shakasir
called the wedding bloopers
>> and and that was that was of interest I
had I said I'm doing I think my son one
of my sons told me just do a really
interesting topic and and people will
come to a they'll they'll blooper I had
a blooper a few weeks ago you want to
hear it
>> sure
>> someone got up at the at the koopa and
instead of saying bar pri Guffin. They
said the next bro.
>> Oh, okay.
>> That's common, right? That's a common
blooper because of the the confusion
with the
>> cards. You give the cards and it's stop.
But that's an easy one. You just flip
it.
>> Yeah.
>> And the next person says that nothing.
Right.
>> They once gave me a repeat bra. I said,
"They said this braha already. I know
they said it already."
>> I got you.
>> And they said, "No, you're right. You're
right. Tell the next brah." And I said,
"Are you sure?" And they said, "Yeah."
Yeah. Well, meanwhile very in the crowd,
not misunder afterwards. They said, "No,
no, that broccol was repeated." So the
room, they had to redo it again for
somebody else. But I always said they
should have got the instant replay.
That's what I should have asked for from
the cameraman.
>> The ABS challenge. That's what they
should have asked.
>> Exactly.
>> That is hilarious. Uh, have you ever had
the blooper where the kala only walks
around six times? And I'm saying that
tongue and cheek cuz most kos walk
around like 15 times. You've noticed
that, right?
>> I I didn't actually pay attention unless
unless I'm a solder. I'm a solder. I
watch carefully.
>> It seems never ending. Like like at some
point people wake up and say, "Wait a
second. There's no way that they didn't
do seven already. I mean, come on.
There's not not a chance." Right. He's
with us. All right. Um in a minute, I'll
tell you how all this started while
you're on this morning.
But first, uh I don't know if you have
the stats in front of you or not, but
here's what Chat GPT says. They don't do
it by percentage. What they say is, and
I don't know, you got to tell me if this
is accurate. I was a little surprised
about this, frankly. They said that the
Jewish calendar works in a 19-year
cycle. That's accurate, right? 19 years,
right?
>> Yes.
>> And they said and they said in those 19
years,
Shabis Sunday, meaning the observance of
Tishab or Shabbas on Sunday would be
seven times out of the 19. Tuesday 6 and
Thursday 6. Is that accurate?
>> Okay. So, I I give you the percentages.
I mean,
>> what percentages of 28 and a half?
>> Thursday.
>> Thursday is going to be 28 and a2%.
>> Approximately.
>> That's more than I thought.
>> That's more than I thought. I didn't
think Thursday was 28.
>> What are the others?
>> And then Tuesdays.
>> Yeah.
>> 10%.
>> How much?
>> And um 32%. 32%
>> but a little bump almost a little drop
more and then um as far as Sunday tish
above you're going to get about 39 and a
half%.
Um 39 and a half. I don't know if the
seven and 19.
>> Oh, meaning you're counting you're
counting Shabasa Sunday together.
>> Correct. Right. Right. Well, Sunday
itself is rare, of course, because
that's the Sunday. Sunday,
the rule is tish is the same day of the
week as Pes,
>> right?
>> So, whatever your PES is, that's your
tishab Sunday, which we know.
>> So, the error of PES on Shabas is the
rare one.
>> Correct. That's only about 11 and a
half%. And that of course when that
happens you're going to get the real
tish really on Sunday
>> right
>> and that's about 11 half% and 28% you're
going to get pes on a shabas which makes
tishabove on shabas which of course
pushes tish above to Sunday.
>> Yeah. So I think I I think I think chat
GBT was wrong. There's no way that in
the 19ear cycle Thursday and Tuesday are
the same. Right. I mean there's no way.
>> Yeah it's averages. It's it's close
again. One is 28%, one is right
>> 32%. But uh there is a little bit of a
bump there.
>> And by the way, for those who like the
Thursday tish above, which I I don't
know, people are mixed on the Thursday
tish above, a lot of people like it
because they could take off Thursday
because the weekend's coming up,
especially this year with the 4th of
July. A lot of people like it because um
uh because it's, you know, Sunday is
much more difficult. When you're not at
work, it's more difficult to fast. Uh
when you're not at work in the
afternoon. Um, and then of course
there's the the people who really don't
like it because they'd like more time
between Tishab and Shabas Nakamu to get
their Shabas Nakamu plans going. But
however, however, am I ever for those
who do like the Thursday tishabove,
including today, three out of the next
five years are Thursday.
Yeah, that's right. Right. It's it's a
and that means the Shabas. But yes,
>> right. You have Thursday, but not only
Thursday is um is you have four t is the
only year I might have mentioned this at
the beginning of the year, but now we're
actually in the fast. It's the only
possible year where you have any we have
four tan on any same day of the week.
And and this year tape, we had gadalia
and yipper were Thursday,
>> right?
>> And now we have and on on Thursday.
>> Wait a second. You get a little
>> Oh, right. Cuz right could be on a
Tuesday, but it's the rarest Russ is
Tuesday.
>> Exactly. Which is how we started the
year. And that meant that meant it was
on Thursday. I I as a RV I think
Thursday is harder
>> because I like to prepare on Thursday. I
do a lot of my preparations Thursday
night and after a fast, right?
>> You know, you're not.
>> Well, Rabbi Heert, this is the problem
when you decided to work on Shabas. I
mean, that's the problem. You know, you
rabbis have no choice. So, so, so two,
so two in Tishray, one in Tomos, one in
a, and that's it. It's four Thursdays
that we fast this year.
>> Exactly. Right. Which is again the only
time you get there only six times in a
year. So, four of the six
>> are on the same day of the week. You do
get a little bit of bonus of course when
it's a Thursday because you're allowed
to uh, you know, get a haircut and do
laundry for for sure for Friday morning,
right?
>> Some people allow ready laundry Thursday
night.
>> Yeah. There'll be people There'll be
people There'll be people lined up at
the camp washing machines Thursday night
at my
>> Oh. Oh, for sure. For sure. You get get
that in there.
>> 100%.
>> Absolutely.
>> Because you know the washing machines in
camp only work for two, three people.
After that, they break down. You know,
however how it works.
>> Okay. How are the How are the Yeshiva
washing machines back in the day? Did
those work or uh problems with them as
well?
They were well when I I'm not going to
tell you which Rob but when I was in
Tuls Chicago um and of course your
cousin was my was my my sh
>> and my cousin lived next door. My cousin
lived next door
>> and live. Right. Right. That's right.
Right. Exactly. North. I did my first
wash.
>> My first laundry was was I guess L of
ninth grade or even we started actually
above. Right.
>> I went to the laundromat not knowing how
to do a laundry. There was a Yeshiva
bucker there who taught me. Today he's a
very rough somewhere. I always say this
Rob taught me how to do laundry.
>> Yeah. You have to you have to call him
Rebby. You have no choice.
>> Exactly. I don't understand. Aunt Zelda
couldn't have done it on North Drake for
you. She could have taken care of it for
you.
>> Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't want to
bother your
>> You didn't know the Cohen family that
well early on in ninth grade. That it
took a while for you to get to know
them. Rabbi He's with us. All right. Um
so all this started because as you know
last Shabas we quote unquote caught up
to Israel, right? I have been obsessing
about this. I have sons who think I'm
nuts for obsessing about it. I think
there are people who who who don't want
to bring up the topic of being off a
para with Israel with me because it
drives me so crazy that the rabbis never
repaired the situation in Jewish
history. And you and I of course have
discussed this multiple times. It's
happened a million times since you and I
have start started talking about these
things on the air. And on Friday, I
asked the following question and then I
made the following observation. I'll do
the question first. Not to put you on
the spot, Rabbi Heber, but you know the
if you don't get it right, don't worry.
Don't worry. No panic. But here was the
question I asked. There was only one
day. There was only one day. Or maybe I
should say there was one day from the
second day of Shvis
until last Shabas. There was one day
when Israel and the diaspora read the
exact same laning
from the Thomas. Nice
>> play Thomas
>> nice or my he
>> both days but but hold on but that gets
an asterisk that answer okay it's true
okay it's true but okay first of all it
was two two days we have both days but
the asterisk is in in the laning of in
other places is like the right
>> and therefore the they lane aesh
different than every
>> right so you so first of all of course I
I can't believe I made that mistake.
Obviously, it was twice with the two-day
rot. I knew I knew I'd blow it on
something, but that's an important
point. So, it's not it's not Israel and
that diaspora. It's Jerusalem and the
rest of the world. Jerusalem and the
rest of the world.
>> Yeah. Well, so sort of. So, I don't know
claw in which places go like
they do. I asked somebody actually was
here for and I asked exactly how that
works and he said there there's some
places that do a lot of places like the
grow especially even outside you have
but then there's a number of places
outside maybe I'm not 100% sure that
that that does more like the way we do
but but you're still correct because the
first aliyah and the last aliyah
>> are are identical. It's the middle
section right
>> which gets changed and of course the
reason is because the 15ukim
and and even though you could fit
technically you could fit four alias
into 15 without a problem every ali has
to be but because you have the stasis
which pays in the or breaks in the in
the in the new paragraphs you're not
supposed to start within two one or two
of those breaks so if you divvy out the
alias and that that's where the mus is
we have our where we repeat the third
heard for ley
>> right
>> and uh which I'm sure you've got many
times. Oh yes.
>> And and then we go to and then tell the
other the way the GR does it and closer
to home and you see Berlin I believe
they do this cuz they follow the GR they
lane the first three like us then they
don't go back to they don't repeat they
continue all the way to Shabas the ley
go does and then they go back and they
go back and repeat the last of
and they then they they go into
which is um which is their exep that's
that's
the same you know the
>> I remember I remember uh in I remember
thinking that they did it wrong we
discussed this you and I discussed this
I was in I think it was Nissan and um I
just thought they were doing it wrong
I'm like what what's going on here
they're repeating it you know etc etc
anyway that's my sabel yao for you I am
the eighth generation the GR. I don't
know if you knew that or not.
>> Not Ben. Not Ben Aharben, but uh
>> Wow.
>> Talk about the the the reading of the
Tid because of course one of the reasons
we're fasting today is because the daily
carbon was was stopped, right?
And of course by reading it
and and this coming shabas
we l it also as if we brought and that's
one of the reasons why pinas falls out
during during the during the three weeks
specifically
>> almost every year because we want to we
want to make up for the fact it's
missing and therefore we lain about it
during the b of during the
>> and and pinas can be not in the 3 weeks
or not?
>> Yes. Inar it's if it's a leap year that
begins on a Thursday
>> and in Israel
>> then and so Israel also will do that
every worldwide if Rashana begins on a
Thursday. I think in 2033
we're going to have that. So therefore
is the next time
>> that um
>> because it's not in the three weeks
>> 20 is going to be pinned because it's
going to be pulled back right
>> um early before
>> actually no I think I'm I'm incorrect I
think it's 2035 I apologize
um it is yeah 2035 it gets pulled back
before uh beforehand
>> and Mos
gets more correct m gets an extra one
but pes as a shabas in a leap year then
inrol they split
>> m because they get that extra shab
which again brings up the fact that all
these rules of of the parios follow
hutzlar which you know do it for the
benefit of hutzlar uh and they mean
right which is which drives me crazy but
we're not gonna get into that right now
he we're not gonna do that we're not
gonna do that we're not gonna do
anything that drives me crazy we're just
we're just gonna continue all right so
last Friday, I'm in a discussion with
myself on the air and I and I, you're
going to think I'm nuts. And I said,
when do we actually catch up to Israel?
When do we consider it that we are now
caught up the diaspora with Israel? Is
it when laning ends in the diaspora? In
other words, last shabas, right? Balok
ends and now we're officially caught up,
right? were both at Pinas or or once
hukas ends in the diaspora now we're
officially caught up because now we're
starting bullock and in Israel they're
doing bullock but I said wait however
however if it if we are in the New York
area for instance then bullock will
already have been read in Israel so
we're not really caught up till we read
bullock however however get this Rabbi
Pepper I was going crazy on the air
early Friday morning however if we're in
Japan and they read hookas bullock
before Israel reads bullock. So, so, so
now is the diaspora caught up or is the
diaspora ahead? And then when we read
kukas bullock and then when we're
reading kukas bullock in in the in the
diaspora, Israel's reading bullock, when
at what moment do we consider it caught
up? And the final question before I turn
it over to you. And by the way, if you
don't use this for one of your crazy
Shiloh night, is it night? You do the
shilus. What do you do to silence? Oh,
no. You do it on the last day, right?
The last day if you do it right. You
said ma the last day.
>> Well, the pil
right if you don't if you don't use this
one
because you have actually used some of
my craziness in the past mro. And then I
said to myself to wrap up this this
discussion on the air that I was having
with myself out loud. I said, "What
about if bulock's being read in Saudi
Arabia and it's the exact same time,
right?" hookas mullik in Saudi Arabia
the same time and let's say it's an
early minion let's say it's an 8:00
minion but in Israel it's an 8:30 minion
and they end up reading bullock at the
exact same time as that when the
diaspora is officially caught up to
Israel so what is Rabbi Heber and then
of course I said the only person that we
could talk to about this on the air is
Rabbi Heber and I was nervous especially
Matabas to ask you to discuss something
so comical but then I checked with the
one and only Rabbi Eigal Seagull and he
said are you KIDDING OR MY HEERS GONNA
LOVE THIS.
SO, so the question is
>> I actually was thinking the same thing
on Shabas.
>> Are you serious?
>> Sort of sort of but I wasn't going with
the time. I was thinking is it because
we also which Ali is identifi
or really the at the end of the day the
M.
>> What about Ravi though? Ravi, you could
say when you break
>> they're calling it Ravi and we're call
we're calling it Ravi and they're
calling it uh cayen, right? We called it
Ravi. They called it cayenne and we call
it
>> correct.
>> But I'll tell you very interesting. It's
two two styles here and then something
about the the weekend. Yeah.
>> Coming up and that is um some somebody
in my shoes actually about Ky went to
Arch and it was a family
>> a family event and I think it's a 50th
anniversary. They live in Arrol. There
was a number of family members that
went. So, so first of all, as far as
laning, so okay, you'll you'll have
enough people you'll have your little
American laning.
No problem. And he's about sh they were
on a plane Wednesday night landing
Thursday.
>> So when they get to
>> what should they lane
Thursday afternoon, right?
>> Because if they would have got to
Thursday early, so then the lane is
bollock. But they had a fee of laning on
Thursday night already on Thursday
morning over London. They were flying
over London,
>> right?
>> So when they landed, I told him they
hookas because that's that was their fee
of of laning. But the best thing he
called me all excited Friday afternoon
from the hotel where they were at and he
says, you'll never believe it. He says,
"We're going to have our minion the
laning bol. We're going to have our
minion with hookas bol." And in the
hotel, the other half of the hotel are
Tmanim and Tmanim apparently they lane
they split Montas and Mas and they put
something earlier together. I'm not sure
exactly what they do but that Chavez
pin someone told me this. Someone told
me this about this. Yes, someone told me
this that they were off a parish for a
different reason. Right.
>> He said in this hotel you could which is
the lane bullock. In our hotel you could
have kucas bo and pas. Unbelievable.
>> All all in one hotel.
>> Unbelievable. Unbelievable. By the way,
there was there was one other shittita
about when we actually caught up.
Someone said to me, "Come on, you're not
really caught up till Shabas Mina
because it's such a mess. The whole
Shabas morning thing is such a like you
just said Ravi Shvi Cohen it's it's such
a it's such a balag with the laning that
that it still hasn't come back to be
missed in order that you're really not
caught up until Shabas Mansvelt
is laning paras
>> right right now I I just want to tell
you one thing I thought while you're
calling I was thinking okay what's the
topic but I'll tell you something that
that maybe listeners don't know what was
the Hebrew day and the declaration of
independence was signed in 1776. July
4th, 1776 was what Hebrew day? And the
answer is Shivas
>> today.
>> So today, today the 250th anniversary of
the Hebrew calendar of of of the United
States Declaration of Independence,
Independence Day. Rephrase this
question. A great trivia question is
that on the day the Declaration of
Independence was signed, why did the
Vagin and the Balatana fast? Oh. Oh.
>> And the answer is because it was Thomas.
Of course, they they probably didn't
know they didn't know that
being signed, right? Or or officially,
but liter
Thomas.
>> Unbelievable.
Sort of like um how come we how come
everybody fasted on the day that Thurman
Mson died?
>> Okay. Well, that's a New York Yankees.
That's a
>> he was killed on Tishab. I'm not gonna
all the RA you have to be with it. I
mean when when people when people it's
it is interesting when people in our
community up here think about you know
losing him because he was such a great
Yankee or the first thing everyone
thinks of is that was above afternoon.
It's like the first thing that comes to
mind in fact I asked Marty Appel on the
air
>> I asked Marty on air when he wrote the
book about Mson on Mson's 25th art site.
I asked him on the air if anybody ever
mentioned to him, you know, because he
obviously was familiar with the Jewish
community that this whole tragedy
happened on Tishabub and he goes, you
know, I think I heard that once. I think
I someone once told me that. So it's
really a thing. What can I tell you? Are
you speaking about 250 at all on Shabas?
Are you speaking about anything having
to do with this big American anniversary
Shabas or it's a regular Shabas in your
short?
>> That's a good question. I I was working
on a dress on the carpet plummet. I'll
probably make some mention of it. Right.
>> I haven't finished my dress yet. I
thought I have to do it tonight while
I'm falling asleep after the title.
>> I I had my drusha ready. I was going to
finish it before and I just didn't get
it totally done. I still still missing a
little bit at the end.
>> Toss in a toss in a word. Shabas about
antbibe was 50 years ago on July 4th.
>> Yes. Yes, that's right. That is correct.
I remember it very well. And in fact,
the first trip to was right after that.
>> Wow. Um I went I went to actually saw I
landed for the first time I actually saw
50 years yesterday.
>> Wow.
>> That was the first time I ever went. It
was uh
>> unbelievable. And fin Oh, sorry.
>> First time you went and
>> No, good. We're good.
>> Oh,
>> first time. No, before my mitzvah. It
was before my mitzvah. I went to
>> And you saw the shirts with idiamin
saying kakavo doah which we referenced
the other day. They had these shirts.
>> I remember. I do remember. I was a
little bit nervous though to fly because
of what had happened. So kid that was a
little bit unsettling.
>> They had these shirts in they had these
shirts in Israel which quickly got to
the United States. I mean it was a big
craze here as well. I had classmates who
had them.
>> Uh Idiiamin was
>> on the shirt you know like a silhouette
of him and he had a like one of those
you know talking bubbles and it said
>> oh there was a bomb scare when I went I
think on the way back we stopped in
London. There was a bomb scare airport.
They said everyone ran. It was a it was
a
>> look people don't realize kids kids
today I mean I'll sound like an old man
don't realize how many hijackings there
were in those days when it was every
week there was another hijacking
>> now you know people complain about the
security but because of the enhanced
security things are uh and the camera
work etc things are a lot different
>> I a finally I have our last piece you
ready for this one
>> yes
>> what will happen this shabus morning
around the world.
How do I I got to I can't believe I
didn't write this down. I should have
written it down better.
What will happen this shabas?
What what what
will occur in more that's a good way of
putting it? What will occur in
synagogues this shabas while reading the
Torah
more often? It's something that that
that's more common than the rest of the
year. In other words, there's always
something that could happen at there's
always this one thing that could happen
as the Torah is being read. This Shabas,
it's going to happen more often than any
other Shabas. Do you know what I'm
referring to?
>> I mean, the PK you lane most frequently
is the
which is we lain the Shabas. This is the
anchor anchor Shabas of that because
Armen gets to repeat that PK, right? Oh,
that's interesting. That is the PK
that's most read the entire year.
Yes. And that Yes. Yes. In fact, we once
our family once
it was a someone in the family, a
cousins or somebody made a safety for a
cousin who passed away and then we we we
made a dedication told my brother and I
and my mother you know we bought a pusk
a full pusk uh collectively. So I told
my brother let's take the lamb because
that's the one that gets laid the most
of it and we'll get our money's worth on
the donations. Of course you did.
>> My dabash labor would not have counted
because there are many of those.
>> Right. Right. Right. You picked a
specific public.
>> So this will happen this Shabas morning
more than any in my opinion. This is
just an opinion. This will happen this
Shabas morning more than any Shabas of
the year.
>> Okay. Go ahead. And the answer is, if
you agree with me, you'll tell me the
stoppage in laning, thinking that there
is a mistake and the Torah is puzzle.
Stoppage and laning, which happens once
in a while, happens in my opinion, this
is only an alam single opinion, happens
in paras
more than any other para in the Torah.
Number one, do you agree with me? And
number two,
would you would you care to guess why?
>> What do you mean stoping? What do you
what do you refer to? There there is
when you when very often in shul
hopefully not very often but sometimes
in shul when the balori is is reading
the Torah someone he the person getting
the aliyah someone who's watching the
the Torah who's looking inside the Torah
as it's being read will stop and say oh
my and and sort of signal like oh boy I
think there's a problem with one of the
letters here you know like let's take a
closer look then all of a sudden
everyone takes off their glasses and
takes a closer look and then this
>> oh that oh that of Maybe because it gets
lame the most often so it gets the most
coverage.
>> Great guess.
>> You afraid that.
>> Great guess. But the Num Seagull reason,
that's a good guess by the way. We're
going to call that the Rabbi Hebra
reason. That's a really good guess. It's
the mo. Not only is it is it lame the
most, a lot of Toras are always on that
column the entire year. A lot of Toras
>> gets rolled over.
>> Wow. Rabbi Heard, that's a great answer.
But the Nahome Seagull answer because
Nah Seagull discovered recently I can
you believe at my age I never knew this
>> that there is a letter in Paras Pinhus
that's purposely split
>> there is a
>> oh Sullen Yolen
Yep.
>> Oh I see somebody say
>> so most people I asked I asked a Balor I
don't want you to think I walked into
this conversation unprepared. I asked a
really good Balor yesterday. I called
him up and I said is it common I would
think that they stop. He goes, "Oh my
gosh, I've seen it a million times
where, thank God, the rabbi andor the
malore knows that it's supposed to be
like that. The VV and shalom is supposed
to be split, but he says you can't
imagine how often uh you know someone
will come to that and they're going to
actually put away the Torres if it's a
puzzle saver Torah."
>> Wow. Okay. They got to learn the the
valatorum over there.
>> Is that interesting?
>> Okay. Interesting. Very much. Very much
so. Well,
>> there you go. But
>> well, thank you very much there, Rabba.
I appreciate it.
>> As as long as you don't think I'm nuts
because I'm still
>> No, it's a good point. You gota you gota
But most Poly Korea would know that I
think.
>> Right. Most you would think would know
it.
>> The occasional Balor wouldn't know. And
also remember it's in Reishonne,
correct? Isn't in Reishon,
>> right? Right.
>> So if it's in Reone, you often have
people who are not that familiar with
laning who are laning on a Monday or
Thursday, you know, etc., etc.,
>> right? or or the regular Mari's in camp
and they got they got somebody from you
know exactly something else to
>> sub and then the Balkari did say to me
he said it doesn't happen as often as
you think because frankly you'd really
have to look to see that it's really
split like it's you know it's so subtle
that most people when they lane probably
would not even realize it
>> right
>> who's getting coing this shabas in your
sh I want to call them afterwards and
ask them
>> oh I don't know I'm not the guy
although the go I always joke with the
gobby in my shool
The president had an easy year. The
gobby has had a hard time. I was never a
president of but I was a god in THAT'S
YOU WERE THE GOD AND YOU STROLL. I only
got ley every because of my connection
to you.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is true. So my
go when you're go by you you know you
tell the gab this that the other thing
president. Yeah. Okay. You're doing a
good job. You know
>> the gab is good too. The gab is good
too. They just have to put up with uh
>> Does the r of your sh Does the rv of
your sh get an aliyah every shabas?
>> I mean no I don't get shabas.
>> You don't do that.
>> And what do you do with maft? Do you
give ma to an ovel every week or not?
>> No it's a yard site not an if there's a
yard say that week we try to give that
>> right because you know there you know
there are shs especially older shoos
where the mig is that if someone is in
the in the yud kesh they will give them
off. Darren shabs.
>> Yes. It's a special there is a but
>> yeah we don't do specifically that not
specifically that and typically there's
a yard site upcoming week or or one or
the other typically.
>> I got that. What do you do with um with
somebody who has yard site coming up but
they're still obviously in in the kesh
do you let them dive in for the shot?
>> Okay. No, only if it's yard site, right?
So if someone had yard let's say uh well
they do test kamas for their father and
they're in the year then they could but
if they have yard of kamas then they
would not d
>> you would not allow them d musf
>> not not no not just for the upcoming
weeks.
>> Wow.
>> If I if I move to Baltimore if I move to
Baltimore I have to shop around for
shoes.
>> Well it's a rare it's I guess it happens
once it's really a once in a lifetime
event.
>> It's twice. It's twice in a It's twice
It's twice in a lifetime event.
>> Oh, you saying by the first yard site
also.
>> Yeah. First time at the
>> end of the year and you get it. Yeah.
Yeah. Right. Right. That's true.
>> So it's really No, but meaning it's it's
at least twice in a lifetime because
because someone is going to say cottage
at the first yard site for both parents.
>> Right. Right. The job is before that
sounds.
>> Right. All right. I'll have to if I move
to if I move to Baltimore, I'll have to
shop around. I I'm sure there's
I am sure there by the way no joke in
the baler sh and Ra was the rabbi I'm
99% sure
>> that um from up from for my father's
upcoming yard site the one thing he did
let me do is davosf I'm 99% sure so
there are
yeah
>> is correct but unfortunately here live
on the air in front of thousands of
people you just found out that I won't
be dominating in usual
>> okay
>> I hope you're not holding it against me.
>> Never.
>> Maybe the other 51 weeks. Maybe the
other 51 weeks. Although, frankly, m at
this point, not having parents, it's
something I don't have to worry about.
Rabbi Heber, I want you to have an
amazing fast, an easy and meaningful
one. I really appreciate you coming on
today. And the fast officially according
to your synagogue will end in Baltimore,
Maryland at what time tonight?
>> It ends at 9:20
p.m.
>> Wow.
I I will I will have eaten dinner by
that time. I think we end 9:15.
>> Okay. You got a head start.
>> Are you kidding me? The moment I'm able
to. Are you kidding me? It's been It's
been a long day already. Thanks so much.
I And I Oh, by the way, Rabbi, is it a
gazun or a fril zimmer? Which one? Which
one do we do? Which one do you uh do you
think is
>> after gazimmer? It's a gazimmer. have a
wonderful summer and when it comes to
>> everywhere your listeners should have a
easy meaningful time this we should we
should all be in pray with amen
>> amen and please God will speak in l
thank you so much
>> the one and only David he director of
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