Calendaric trivia with Nachum Segal and Rabbi Dovid Heber on JM in the AM

After all, the three weeks format has begun. It began last night for us. And here we are on day one of a three weeks format at JM and A.M. Could you imagine? Day number one. Shivas on Thursday. Tishabove three weeks from today on a Thursday. Wonder how often that happens. You think he has the stats in front of him? I bet you he has the stats in front of him. I'm telling you, I have a feeling. Uh, today our session with her by David Heber, and I can't thank him enough for joining us, is sponsored by our good friends Carrie and Joshua Lavine of West Hemstead, New York, in honor of their dear children, Atara and Daniel Aon, Tamar and Ariel Khan, Shashana and Seth Schlank, and Mira, and in honor of their grandson, Akiva Aharon. A big thank you to Carrie and Josh. Big supporters, great friends. uh love with enthusiasm the work we do here on the NHL single network and I thank them very very much. Rabbi David Heber is the director of the star computer department. He's spiritual leader of kahal aas semic in Baltimore Maryland and the title he's most proud of of course he is the calendaric trivia expert for us here at JM in the AM. Rabbi David Heber, a pleasure to welcome you back to JM in the AM. >> Good morning. Good morning to listeners. An easy and meaningful titus for everybody. >> Are you an early morning breakfast person on a fast? Obviously I am because I'm up, you know, really early every single morning. Uh, today was a bit of a challenge because I actually, as I told my listeners, the alarm went off at about 2:10 and I was at my desk at about 3 a.m. How about yourself, Ray Heber? Are you brave enough to simply eat last night and then dive right into the fast? >> Actually, no. So, I got up uh I got up this morning. I did go back to sleep, but I got up at 3:30. >> Wow. >> Which is early early for me. >> Um and I ate something, drank something, and then went back to sleep a little bit and then got up for chakras, which we just finished. >> My wife told me that I didn't get up early this morning. I got up in the middle of the night. That's what she told me. Anyway, >> so what is the genesis uh of this appearance by Rabbi Heber on the air? By the way, you do have the stats in front of you, right? Am I right or wrong? >> I just I just fumbled them open. But before you go further, I just want to point out had you been in Anchorage, Alaska, 2 a.m. would have been too late to get up and eat. >> By the way, correct? Because we know my mutton's in Alaska right now. And he told us that. Let me let me just bring this up for a second. And I'm so glad you mentioned that because not only look, Alaska presents I I don't want to use the word problem. Let's call it challenges or situations we're not used to. Like I want to be careful how I say it. Uh but Alaska presents certain uh certain um um strange situations. Um here it is. He says he says that according to his driver, it gets dark little by little. uh till about 1:00 a.m. and then continues to get dark as it approaches as it approaches 2 am. Uh by 2:00 in the morning, it's completely fully light out. There's no such thing he says as >> Right. That would make sense. >> Correct. Right. >> Right. No such thing. >> What happens is midnight is is even here technically is middle of the night between sunset and sunrise. >> Right. um you know af that moment is the right is okay so in Anchorage what happens is the sun goes below the horizon >> and actually Fairbanks also has a very small it's even um it's even a little more light but it the sun goes a little bit below the horizon and I would guess at this I'm going to guess maybe it looks like about 20 25 minutes after Shia I don't have that number exact and then at 2:05 about 2:04 a.m. is the peak. That's when it gets to the lowest point in the sky. So you never get and then it starts working its way back up again. >> Right? >> Therefore, it gets it gets lighter. So in such a place the end of the the end of Shabas is at 2:04 a.m. because that's that's your by default that's your that's your night >> because now you work your way back up. So you basically go from which is light night to to dawn in in the snap of a finger right >> in in a split second. And therefore the beginning of the tinus there when the ready the morning the dawn has come would seem to be you know 2:04 a.m. And then at night since it doesn't really get dark your fast doesn't end till 2:04 a.m. >> Oh why wouldn't you say oh that's interesting because again I read this wrong. Let me say it more clearly. Uh, starting at 12:30 in the morning, it gets dark till 1, then it starts getting lighter, and at 2 am, it's fully light. So, you would say that you you would not be able I don't think that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Depends what city he's in and not in Anchorage. >> Yeah. I No, I'm Yeah, I'm not arguing that. I'm saying in his case, you would say that you got to wait till till after 2 a.m. Like, you wouldn't be able to say, "Oh, it's already getting dark," or, you know, it's going to or it's the darkest it's going to get and eat at that point. You can't do that. You have to wait literally moment. It's the darkest. But I I don't think that that the point between 1 and 2 if you're in Anchorage getting between 1:00 a.m. and 2, it's getting darker, >> right? >> And then it gets to the darkest, right? >> And then uh and in Fairbanks, it's even less dark at 2 a.m. >> Wow. Uh >> unbelievable. >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, if you'd advise somebody, you would tell them that if you're up, eat at 2 in the morning. Like that, meaning tonight. Like, that's what you would say to them. >> Wait. Yeah. presidental too because till then it's uh >> it's of course if they can make it that far. >> Yeah. But I mean come on Rabbi Hebra you know like are you going to provide some activities for them to do to get their mind off of eating? I mean come on. >> Don't take a hike. Don't take don't hike today. That's for sure. It's very relevant. >> How about salmon fishing? Do you recommend that? Some salmon fishing. >> Yeah. No, not today. But it's very relevant to people. And then just we're on this topic. Okay. So people say okay I'm not going to Alaska and I'm not going to to Iceland for shabbas at dishabove that's fine but people I can't tell you how many shils I had people flying >> right >> today and and that presents major problems including >> you know going north where people let's say took off yesterday from New York >> um somebody somebody took off from I got a tech I got an email yesterday they're in Abu Dhabi and they're flying to Washington their flight was at 3:15 a.m. >> Wow. Their flight started an hour into the fast because they're flying north and it's already and then I feel bad for the person because >> well this is the problem. This is the problem when Fourth of July weekend vacation takes precedence over to fast day. What can I tell you? I think he was on business. Oh fast he's fasting his whole flight and then he's landing in Washington at 9:00 a.m. and basically has to fast the whole day. >> Wow. >> So it's it's it's rough. It's rough. >> That is rough. Rabbi Heber with us of course. Then I'm going through my usual shtick this morning in the Eastern time zone where I am. It's morning. In Israel, they're already at MKA time in the afternoon. And Australia, the fastest, I'm assuming since it's winter there, is already over. And you know, if you know anybody in Hawaii and I, oh my gosh. And then I say to myself on the air, oh my gosh, early last night, I got a call from someone in Maui, no joke, someone who's spending Shabbas in Maui. And I said, my gosh, the fast has not started for them yet. Now it may have. I don't know. But now is Hawaii similar to the Anchorage problem or the light and dark there is much more like the continental United States. >> Yeah, Hawaii actually would be would be a reg almost almost like springlike. I mean the day is probably 14 hours. So it's it's normal. The only thing is they're six hours behind us. So you're right. It's right now >> uh 2 in the morning. They have not started their fast yet. >> Correct. Uh the place really to go with Thomas is Hobart, Tasmania, Australia. >> Yeah, that's the earliest place that has at least once a week of minion, >> right? >> They ended today the fast at 5:30. >> Wow. >> Like like we do like we do on our Sarbat basically. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Amazing. Uh, and think about it, folks. Think about I know it starts earlier. Obviously, we get the whole fast starts at night thing, but think about Tishabove in the place that Heber just said in Australia. Can you imagine Hebra, you're basically It's probably earlier, right? Like 5:15, I assume, or 5:20, something like that. >> Right. Right. Right. You go to a probably about 5:30. >> Oh, wrong. I think. >> No, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. It would be later because there there it's already getting later, right? Sunset in the next three weeks. >> A little bit. So it' be like it would be like 5:40 and 8. So it would be like six o'clock, right? >> In that area, right? >> Australia, the Southern Hemisphere, I think they have programs some, you know, some they do it at because >> Oh, you're breaking up. But he don't do this. You're breaking up. >> Oh, I hear you hear me. >> Oh, now I hear you. >> You hear me? Hello. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. >> And after a They have a whole night in front of them. It's, you know, it's 11:00, you go home. And by the way, this is this is the this is the joke we always say about Australia with schmoo night. Shoo night, you can make in the eastern part of the United States, you can make shoo night a three-hour adventure. If you're stuck in Australia, boy, you'll be learning for 12 hours. >> I know that sounds good. I I >> Hey, hey, it depends on your perspective. You're a rub and I'm a bal bus. We have different perspectives. You know what I'm saying? >> My dream. Although maybe I have to give a shear for 12 hours, but okay. No joke. >> We'll have a special event because we you >> because there are a bun. There are abund at night on night. >> There are a bunn that give one shear. I mean they do it in a way where if you come in the middle you you know you won't be lost. You know you'll be they like have subtopics but there are rabbis who do that you know. >> Yes. I don't do that. I I did something actually last year and this year a little different. I used to most of my batum you know like to learn and >> right >> you know they have a kabur that learns and has at the end and I speak right before shakasir called the wedding bloopers >> and and that was that was of interest I had I said I'm doing I think my son one of my sons told me just do a really interesting topic and and people will come to a they'll they'll blooper I had a blooper a few weeks ago you want to hear it >> sure >> someone got up at the at the koopa and instead of saying bar pri Guffin. They said the next bro. >> Oh, okay. >> That's common, right? That's a common blooper because of the the confusion with the >> cards. You give the cards and it's stop. But that's an easy one. You just flip it. >> Yeah. >> And the next person says that nothing. Right. >> They once gave me a repeat bra. I said, "They said this braha already. I know they said it already." >> I got you. >> And they said, "No, you're right. You're right. Tell the next brah." And I said, "Are you sure?" And they said, "Yeah." Yeah. Well, meanwhile very in the crowd, not misunder afterwards. They said, "No, no, that broccol was repeated." So the room, they had to redo it again for somebody else. But I always said they should have got the instant replay. That's what I should have asked for from the cameraman. >> The ABS challenge. That's what they should have asked. >> Exactly. >> That is hilarious. Uh, have you ever had the blooper where the kala only walks around six times? And I'm saying that tongue and cheek cuz most kos walk around like 15 times. You've noticed that, right? >> I I didn't actually pay attention unless unless I'm a solder. I'm a solder. I watch carefully. >> It seems never ending. Like like at some point people wake up and say, "Wait a second. There's no way that they didn't do seven already. I mean, come on. There's not not a chance." Right. He's with us. All right. Um in a minute, I'll tell you how all this started while you're on this morning. But first, uh I don't know if you have the stats in front of you or not, but here's what Chat GPT says. They don't do it by percentage. What they say is, and I don't know, you got to tell me if this is accurate. I was a little surprised about this, frankly. They said that the Jewish calendar works in a 19-year cycle. That's accurate, right? 19 years, right? >> Yes. >> And they said and they said in those 19 years, Shabis Sunday, meaning the observance of Tishab or Shabbas on Sunday would be seven times out of the 19. Tuesday 6 and Thursday 6. Is that accurate? >> Okay. So, I I give you the percentages. I mean, >> what percentages of 28 and a half? >> Thursday. >> Thursday is going to be 28 and a2%. >> Approximately. >> That's more than I thought. >> That's more than I thought. I didn't think Thursday was 28. >> What are the others? >> And then Tuesdays. >> Yeah. >> 10%. >> How much? >> And um 32%. 32% >> but a little bump almost a little drop more and then um as far as Sunday tish above you're going to get about 39 and a half%. Um 39 and a half. I don't know if the seven and 19. >> Oh, meaning you're counting you're counting Shabasa Sunday together. >> Correct. Right. Right. Well, Sunday itself is rare, of course, because that's the Sunday. Sunday, the rule is tish is the same day of the week as Pes, >> right? >> So, whatever your PES is, that's your tishab Sunday, which we know. >> So, the error of PES on Shabas is the rare one. >> Correct. That's only about 11 and a half%. And that of course when that happens you're going to get the real tish really on Sunday >> right >> and that's about 11 half% and 28% you're going to get pes on a shabas which makes tishabove on shabas which of course pushes tish above to Sunday. >> Yeah. So I think I I think I think chat GBT was wrong. There's no way that in the 19ear cycle Thursday and Tuesday are the same. Right. I mean there's no way. >> Yeah it's averages. It's it's close again. One is 28%, one is right >> 32%. But uh there is a little bit of a bump there. >> And by the way, for those who like the Thursday tish above, which I I don't know, people are mixed on the Thursday tish above, a lot of people like it because they could take off Thursday because the weekend's coming up, especially this year with the 4th of July. A lot of people like it because um uh because it's, you know, Sunday is much more difficult. When you're not at work, it's more difficult to fast. Uh when you're not at work in the afternoon. Um, and then of course there's the the people who really don't like it because they'd like more time between Tishab and Shabas Nakamu to get their Shabas Nakamu plans going. But however, however, am I ever for those who do like the Thursday tishabove, including today, three out of the next five years are Thursday. Yeah, that's right. Right. It's it's a and that means the Shabas. But yes, >> right. You have Thursday, but not only Thursday is um is you have four t is the only year I might have mentioned this at the beginning of the year, but now we're actually in the fast. It's the only possible year where you have any we have four tan on any same day of the week. And and this year tape, we had gadalia and yipper were Thursday, >> right? >> And now we have and on on Thursday. >> Wait a second. You get a little >> Oh, right. Cuz right could be on a Tuesday, but it's the rarest Russ is Tuesday. >> Exactly. Which is how we started the year. And that meant that meant it was on Thursday. I I as a RV I think Thursday is harder >> because I like to prepare on Thursday. I do a lot of my preparations Thursday night and after a fast, right? >> You know, you're not. >> Well, Rabbi Heert, this is the problem when you decided to work on Shabas. I mean, that's the problem. You know, you rabbis have no choice. So, so, so two, so two in Tishray, one in Tomos, one in a, and that's it. It's four Thursdays that we fast this year. >> Exactly. Right. Which is again the only time you get there only six times in a year. So, four of the six >> are on the same day of the week. You do get a little bit of bonus of course when it's a Thursday because you're allowed to uh, you know, get a haircut and do laundry for for sure for Friday morning, right? >> Some people allow ready laundry Thursday night. >> Yeah. There'll be people There'll be people There'll be people lined up at the camp washing machines Thursday night at my >> Oh. Oh, for sure. For sure. You get get that in there. >> 100%. >> Absolutely. >> Because you know the washing machines in camp only work for two, three people. After that, they break down. You know, however how it works. >> Okay. How are the How are the Yeshiva washing machines back in the day? Did those work or uh problems with them as well? They were well when I I'm not going to tell you which Rob but when I was in Tuls Chicago um and of course your cousin was my was my my sh >> and my cousin lived next door. My cousin lived next door >> and live. Right. Right. That's right. Right. Exactly. North. I did my first wash. >> My first laundry was was I guess L of ninth grade or even we started actually above. Right. >> I went to the laundromat not knowing how to do a laundry. There was a Yeshiva bucker there who taught me. Today he's a very rough somewhere. I always say this Rob taught me how to do laundry. >> Yeah. You have to you have to call him Rebby. You have no choice. >> Exactly. I don't understand. Aunt Zelda couldn't have done it on North Drake for you. She could have taken care of it for you. >> Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't want to bother your >> You didn't know the Cohen family that well early on in ninth grade. That it took a while for you to get to know them. Rabbi He's with us. All right. Um so all this started because as you know last Shabas we quote unquote caught up to Israel, right? I have been obsessing about this. I have sons who think I'm nuts for obsessing about it. I think there are people who who who don't want to bring up the topic of being off a para with Israel with me because it drives me so crazy that the rabbis never repaired the situation in Jewish history. And you and I of course have discussed this multiple times. It's happened a million times since you and I have start started talking about these things on the air. And on Friday, I asked the following question and then I made the following observation. I'll do the question first. Not to put you on the spot, Rabbi Heber, but you know the if you don't get it right, don't worry. Don't worry. No panic. But here was the question I asked. There was only one day. There was only one day. Or maybe I should say there was one day from the second day of Shvis until last Shabas. There was one day when Israel and the diaspora read the exact same laning from the Thomas. Nice >> play Thomas >> nice or my he >> both days but but hold on but that gets an asterisk that answer okay it's true okay it's true but okay first of all it was two two days we have both days but the asterisk is in in the laning of in other places is like the right >> and therefore the they lane aesh different than every >> right so you so first of all of course I I can't believe I made that mistake. Obviously, it was twice with the two-day rot. I knew I knew I'd blow it on something, but that's an important point. So, it's not it's not Israel and that diaspora. It's Jerusalem and the rest of the world. Jerusalem and the rest of the world. >> Yeah. Well, so sort of. So, I don't know claw in which places go like they do. I asked somebody actually was here for and I asked exactly how that works and he said there there's some places that do a lot of places like the grow especially even outside you have but then there's a number of places outside maybe I'm not 100% sure that that that does more like the way we do but but you're still correct because the first aliyah and the last aliyah >> are are identical. It's the middle section right >> which gets changed and of course the reason is because the 15ukim and and even though you could fit technically you could fit four alias into 15 without a problem every ali has to be but because you have the stasis which pays in the or breaks in the in the in the new paragraphs you're not supposed to start within two one or two of those breaks so if you divvy out the alias and that that's where the mus is we have our where we repeat the third heard for ley >> right >> and uh which I'm sure you've got many times. Oh yes. >> And and then we go to and then tell the other the way the GR does it and closer to home and you see Berlin I believe they do this cuz they follow the GR they lane the first three like us then they don't go back to they don't repeat they continue all the way to Shabas the ley go does and then they go back and they go back and repeat the last of and they then they they go into which is um which is their exep that's that's the same you know the >> I remember I remember uh in I remember thinking that they did it wrong we discussed this you and I discussed this I was in I think it was Nissan and um I just thought they were doing it wrong I'm like what what's going on here they're repeating it you know etc etc anyway that's my sabel yao for you I am the eighth generation the GR. I don't know if you knew that or not. >> Not Ben. Not Ben Aharben, but uh >> Wow. >> Talk about the the the reading of the Tid because of course one of the reasons we're fasting today is because the daily carbon was was stopped, right? And of course by reading it and and this coming shabas we l it also as if we brought and that's one of the reasons why pinas falls out during during the during the three weeks specifically >> almost every year because we want to we want to make up for the fact it's missing and therefore we lain about it during the b of during the >> and and pinas can be not in the 3 weeks or not? >> Yes. Inar it's if it's a leap year that begins on a Thursday >> and in Israel >> then and so Israel also will do that every worldwide if Rashana begins on a Thursday. I think in 2033 we're going to have that. So therefore is the next time >> that um >> because it's not in the three weeks >> 20 is going to be pinned because it's going to be pulled back right >> um early before >> actually no I think I'm I'm incorrect I think it's 2035 I apologize um it is yeah 2035 it gets pulled back before uh beforehand >> and Mos gets more correct m gets an extra one but pes as a shabas in a leap year then inrol they split >> m because they get that extra shab which again brings up the fact that all these rules of of the parios follow hutzlar which you know do it for the benefit of hutzlar uh and they mean right which is which drives me crazy but we're not gonna get into that right now he we're not gonna do that we're not gonna do that we're not gonna do anything that drives me crazy we're just we're just gonna continue all right so last Friday, I'm in a discussion with myself on the air and I and I, you're going to think I'm nuts. And I said, when do we actually catch up to Israel? When do we consider it that we are now caught up the diaspora with Israel? Is it when laning ends in the diaspora? In other words, last shabas, right? Balok ends and now we're officially caught up, right? were both at Pinas or or once hukas ends in the diaspora now we're officially caught up because now we're starting bullock and in Israel they're doing bullock but I said wait however however if it if we are in the New York area for instance then bullock will already have been read in Israel so we're not really caught up till we read bullock however however get this Rabbi Pepper I was going crazy on the air early Friday morning however if we're in Japan and they read hookas bullock before Israel reads bullock. So, so, so now is the diaspora caught up or is the diaspora ahead? And then when we read kukas bullock and then when we're reading kukas bullock in in the in the diaspora, Israel's reading bullock, when at what moment do we consider it caught up? And the final question before I turn it over to you. And by the way, if you don't use this for one of your crazy Shiloh night, is it night? You do the shilus. What do you do to silence? Oh, no. You do it on the last day, right? The last day if you do it right. You said ma the last day. >> Well, the pil right if you don't if you don't use this one because you have actually used some of my craziness in the past mro. And then I said to myself to wrap up this this discussion on the air that I was having with myself out loud. I said, "What about if bulock's being read in Saudi Arabia and it's the exact same time, right?" hookas mullik in Saudi Arabia the same time and let's say it's an early minion let's say it's an 8:00 minion but in Israel it's an 8:30 minion and they end up reading bullock at the exact same time as that when the diaspora is officially caught up to Israel so what is Rabbi Heber and then of course I said the only person that we could talk to about this on the air is Rabbi Heber and I was nervous especially Matabas to ask you to discuss something so comical but then I checked with the one and only Rabbi Eigal Seagull and he said are you KIDDING OR MY HEERS GONNA LOVE THIS. SO, so the question is >> I actually was thinking the same thing on Shabas. >> Are you serious? >> Sort of sort of but I wasn't going with the time. I was thinking is it because we also which Ali is identifi or really the at the end of the day the M. >> What about Ravi though? Ravi, you could say when you break >> they're calling it Ravi and we're call we're calling it Ravi and they're calling it uh cayen, right? We called it Ravi. They called it cayenne and we call it >> correct. >> But I'll tell you very interesting. It's two two styles here and then something about the the weekend. Yeah. >> Coming up and that is um some somebody in my shoes actually about Ky went to Arch and it was a family >> a family event and I think it's a 50th anniversary. They live in Arrol. There was a number of family members that went. So, so first of all, as far as laning, so okay, you'll you'll have enough people you'll have your little American laning. No problem. And he's about sh they were on a plane Wednesday night landing Thursday. >> So when they get to >> what should they lane Thursday afternoon, right? >> Because if they would have got to Thursday early, so then the lane is bollock. But they had a fee of laning on Thursday night already on Thursday morning over London. They were flying over London, >> right? >> So when they landed, I told him they hookas because that's that was their fee of of laning. But the best thing he called me all excited Friday afternoon from the hotel where they were at and he says, you'll never believe it. He says, "We're going to have our minion the laning bol. We're going to have our minion with hookas bol." And in the hotel, the other half of the hotel are Tmanim and Tmanim apparently they lane they split Montas and Mas and they put something earlier together. I'm not sure exactly what they do but that Chavez pin someone told me this. Someone told me this about this. Yes, someone told me this that they were off a parish for a different reason. Right. >> He said in this hotel you could which is the lane bullock. In our hotel you could have kucas bo and pas. Unbelievable. >> All all in one hotel. >> Unbelievable. Unbelievable. By the way, there was there was one other shittita about when we actually caught up. Someone said to me, "Come on, you're not really caught up till Shabas Mina because it's such a mess. The whole Shabas morning thing is such a like you just said Ravi Shvi Cohen it's it's such a it's such a balag with the laning that that it still hasn't come back to be missed in order that you're really not caught up until Shabas Mansvelt is laning paras >> right right now I I just want to tell you one thing I thought while you're calling I was thinking okay what's the topic but I'll tell you something that that maybe listeners don't know what was the Hebrew day and the declaration of independence was signed in 1776. July 4th, 1776 was what Hebrew day? And the answer is Shivas >> today. >> So today, today the 250th anniversary of the Hebrew calendar of of of the United States Declaration of Independence, Independence Day. Rephrase this question. A great trivia question is that on the day the Declaration of Independence was signed, why did the Vagin and the Balatana fast? Oh. Oh. >> And the answer is because it was Thomas. Of course, they they probably didn't know they didn't know that being signed, right? Or or officially, but liter Thomas. >> Unbelievable. Sort of like um how come we how come everybody fasted on the day that Thurman Mson died? >> Okay. Well, that's a New York Yankees. That's a >> he was killed on Tishab. I'm not gonna all the RA you have to be with it. I mean when when people when people it's it is interesting when people in our community up here think about you know losing him because he was such a great Yankee or the first thing everyone thinks of is that was above afternoon. It's like the first thing that comes to mind in fact I asked Marty Appel on the air >> I asked Marty on air when he wrote the book about Mson on Mson's 25th art site. I asked him on the air if anybody ever mentioned to him, you know, because he obviously was familiar with the Jewish community that this whole tragedy happened on Tishabub and he goes, you know, I think I heard that once. I think I someone once told me that. So it's really a thing. What can I tell you? Are you speaking about 250 at all on Shabas? Are you speaking about anything having to do with this big American anniversary Shabas or it's a regular Shabas in your short? >> That's a good question. I I was working on a dress on the carpet plummet. I'll probably make some mention of it. Right. >> I haven't finished my dress yet. I thought I have to do it tonight while I'm falling asleep after the title. >> I I had my drusha ready. I was going to finish it before and I just didn't get it totally done. I still still missing a little bit at the end. >> Toss in a toss in a word. Shabas about antbibe was 50 years ago on July 4th. >> Yes. Yes, that's right. That is correct. I remember it very well. And in fact, the first trip to was right after that. >> Wow. Um I went I went to actually saw I landed for the first time I actually saw 50 years yesterday. >> Wow. >> That was the first time I ever went. It was uh >> unbelievable. And fin Oh, sorry. >> First time you went and >> No, good. We're good. >> Oh, >> first time. No, before my mitzvah. It was before my mitzvah. I went to >> And you saw the shirts with idiamin saying kakavo doah which we referenced the other day. They had these shirts. >> I remember. I do remember. I was a little bit nervous though to fly because of what had happened. So kid that was a little bit unsettling. >> They had these shirts in they had these shirts in Israel which quickly got to the United States. I mean it was a big craze here as well. I had classmates who had them. >> Uh Idiiamin was >> on the shirt you know like a silhouette of him and he had a like one of those you know talking bubbles and it said >> oh there was a bomb scare when I went I think on the way back we stopped in London. There was a bomb scare airport. They said everyone ran. It was a it was a >> look people don't realize kids kids today I mean I'll sound like an old man don't realize how many hijackings there were in those days when it was every week there was another hijacking >> now you know people complain about the security but because of the enhanced security things are uh and the camera work etc things are a lot different >> I a finally I have our last piece you ready for this one >> yes >> what will happen this shabus morning around the world. How do I I got to I can't believe I didn't write this down. I should have written it down better. What will happen this shabas? What what what will occur in more that's a good way of putting it? What will occur in synagogues this shabas while reading the Torah more often? It's something that that that's more common than the rest of the year. In other words, there's always something that could happen at there's always this one thing that could happen as the Torah is being read. This Shabas, it's going to happen more often than any other Shabas. Do you know what I'm referring to? >> I mean, the PK you lane most frequently is the which is we lain the Shabas. This is the anchor anchor Shabas of that because Armen gets to repeat that PK, right? Oh, that's interesting. That is the PK that's most read the entire year. Yes. And that Yes. Yes. In fact, we once our family once it was a someone in the family, a cousins or somebody made a safety for a cousin who passed away and then we we we made a dedication told my brother and I and my mother you know we bought a pusk a full pusk uh collectively. So I told my brother let's take the lamb because that's the one that gets laid the most of it and we'll get our money's worth on the donations. Of course you did. >> My dabash labor would not have counted because there are many of those. >> Right. Right. Right. You picked a specific public. >> So this will happen this Shabas morning more than any in my opinion. This is just an opinion. This will happen this Shabas morning more than any Shabas of the year. >> Okay. Go ahead. And the answer is, if you agree with me, you'll tell me the stoppage in laning, thinking that there is a mistake and the Torah is puzzle. Stoppage and laning, which happens once in a while, happens in my opinion, this is only an alam single opinion, happens in paras more than any other para in the Torah. Number one, do you agree with me? And number two, would you would you care to guess why? >> What do you mean stoping? What do you what do you refer to? There there is when you when very often in shul hopefully not very often but sometimes in shul when the balori is is reading the Torah someone he the person getting the aliyah someone who's watching the the Torah who's looking inside the Torah as it's being read will stop and say oh my and and sort of signal like oh boy I think there's a problem with one of the letters here you know like let's take a closer look then all of a sudden everyone takes off their glasses and takes a closer look and then this >> oh that oh that of Maybe because it gets lame the most often so it gets the most coverage. >> Great guess. >> You afraid that. >> Great guess. But the Num Seagull reason, that's a good guess by the way. We're going to call that the Rabbi Hebra reason. That's a really good guess. It's the mo. Not only is it is it lame the most, a lot of Toras are always on that column the entire year. A lot of Toras >> gets rolled over. >> Wow. Rabbi Heard, that's a great answer. But the Nahome Seagull answer because Nah Seagull discovered recently I can you believe at my age I never knew this >> that there is a letter in Paras Pinhus that's purposely split >> there is a >> oh Sullen Yolen Yep. >> Oh I see somebody say >> so most people I asked I asked a Balor I don't want you to think I walked into this conversation unprepared. I asked a really good Balor yesterday. I called him up and I said is it common I would think that they stop. He goes, "Oh my gosh, I've seen it a million times where, thank God, the rabbi andor the malore knows that it's supposed to be like that. The VV and shalom is supposed to be split, but he says you can't imagine how often uh you know someone will come to that and they're going to actually put away the Torres if it's a puzzle saver Torah." >> Wow. Okay. They got to learn the the valatorum over there. >> Is that interesting? >> Okay. Interesting. Very much. Very much so. Well, >> there you go. But >> well, thank you very much there, Rabba. I appreciate it. >> As as long as you don't think I'm nuts because I'm still >> No, it's a good point. You gota you gota But most Poly Korea would know that I think. >> Right. Most you would think would know it. >> The occasional Balor wouldn't know. And also remember it's in Reishonne, correct? Isn't in Reishon, >> right? Right. >> So if it's in Reone, you often have people who are not that familiar with laning who are laning on a Monday or Thursday, you know, etc., etc., >> right? or or the regular Mari's in camp and they got they got somebody from you know exactly something else to >> sub and then the Balkari did say to me he said it doesn't happen as often as you think because frankly you'd really have to look to see that it's really split like it's you know it's so subtle that most people when they lane probably would not even realize it >> right >> who's getting coing this shabas in your sh I want to call them afterwards and ask them >> oh I don't know I'm not the guy although the go I always joke with the gobby in my shool The president had an easy year. The gobby has had a hard time. I was never a president of but I was a god in THAT'S YOU WERE THE GOD AND YOU STROLL. I only got ley every because of my connection to you. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is true. So my go when you're go by you you know you tell the gab this that the other thing president. Yeah. Okay. You're doing a good job. You know >> the gab is good too. The gab is good too. They just have to put up with uh >> Does the r of your sh Does the rv of your sh get an aliyah every shabas? >> I mean no I don't get shabas. >> You don't do that. >> And what do you do with maft? Do you give ma to an ovel every week or not? >> No it's a yard site not an if there's a yard say that week we try to give that >> right because you know there you know there are shs especially older shoos where the mig is that if someone is in the in the yud kesh they will give them off. Darren shabs. >> Yes. It's a special there is a but >> yeah we don't do specifically that not specifically that and typically there's a yard site upcoming week or or one or the other typically. >> I got that. What do you do with um with somebody who has yard site coming up but they're still obviously in in the kesh do you let them dive in for the shot? >> Okay. No, only if it's yard site, right? So if someone had yard let's say uh well they do test kamas for their father and they're in the year then they could but if they have yard of kamas then they would not d >> you would not allow them d musf >> not not no not just for the upcoming weeks. >> Wow. >> If I if I move to Baltimore if I move to Baltimore I have to shop around for shoes. >> Well it's a rare it's I guess it happens once it's really a once in a lifetime event. >> It's twice. It's twice in a It's twice It's twice in a lifetime event. >> Oh, you saying by the first yard site also. >> Yeah. First time at the >> end of the year and you get it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. That's true. >> So it's really No, but meaning it's it's at least twice in a lifetime because because someone is going to say cottage at the first yard site for both parents. >> Right. Right. The job is before that sounds. >> Right. All right. I'll have to if I move to if I move to Baltimore, I'll have to shop around. I I'm sure there's I am sure there by the way no joke in the baler sh and Ra was the rabbi I'm 99% sure >> that um from up from for my father's upcoming yard site the one thing he did let me do is davosf I'm 99% sure so there are yeah >> is correct but unfortunately here live on the air in front of thousands of people you just found out that I won't be dominating in usual >> okay >> I hope you're not holding it against me. >> Never. >> Maybe the other 51 weeks. Maybe the other 51 weeks. Although, frankly, m at this point, not having parents, it's something I don't have to worry about. Rabbi Heber, I want you to have an amazing fast, an easy and meaningful one. I really appreciate you coming on today. And the fast officially according to your synagogue will end in Baltimore, Maryland at what time tonight? >> It ends at 9:20 p.m. >> Wow. I I will I will have eaten dinner by that time. I think we end 9:15. >> Okay. You got a head start. >> Are you kidding me? The moment I'm able to. Are you kidding me? It's been It's been a long day already. Thanks so much. I And I Oh, by the way, Rabbi, is it a gazun or a fril zimmer? Which one? Which one do we do? Which one do you uh do you think is >> after gazimmer? 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