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Lot of people in this audience very
anxious to hear from Rabbi David Heber.
They've been anxious for the last month
since 5786 began.
Uh today our segment on calendaric
trivia with Rabbi Heber is being
sponsored again by our dear friends
Carrie and Joshua Lavine of West
Hemstead, New York. It's in honor of
their daughter Shosana's recent
engagement to Seth Schlank, the son of
Eileen and Michael out in Plain View,
Long Island. And Rabbi Heber joins me in
wishing the Lavines and the Schlanks a
major mazletov
uh this morning on a roesh here at JM in
the AM. Rabbi David Heber is director of
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possible. Rabbi David Heber, welcome
back to Goody to you and welcome back to
JM and the AM.
>> Good to your listeners also to the
sponsors and it's always always nice to
be on especially
>> yeah imagine this is the way to do it.
Uh Rabbi Heber, uh it's been a difficult
for those who are familiar with the
Baltimore community, it's been a
difficult uh couple of weeks and one of
the reasons of course is because your
dear colleague, somebody that you worked
with and knew for a long time
was suddenly taken from us over Yantiff
and this has had a ripple effect. The
sadness and the tragic nature of the
news had a ripple effect throughout the
entire Jewish community. It's
unbelievable uh hearing and reading
about the the tributes to to Rabbi
Hower. Um take a minute if you will and
just give us your your feelings and you
reflect as you reflect on a very special
relationship.
>> Sure. Rabbi Howard Howard is going to
talk had had a tremendous impact on so
many people. He raised he raised a level
really of
not only in his but in the whole
community and there are many that
mentored him. I have a guest who flew in
someone used to come to us for shabas
and uh he lives out of town. He flew in
just he told me he was at the at the
shiva house for four hours yesterday
because he said he he felt like an ovel.
wanted he just wanted to take in um you
know he he had spent a lot of time with
Bahau who who really taught many people
in many many ways and he was he was
tremendous with people in the happiest
of times and even in the saddest of
times he knew you know I'll tell what to
say and how to say it cared for he cared
for the yen and he cared for the ram and
really a trusted spokesperson for the
entire orthodox community and Um, you
know, he used all of his talents with
with in just so many so many different
ways. On a personal note, we came to Nol
the same day
>> 43 years ago. We actually met in the
medish by nothing by chance, but I I
remember it well. Um, I remember what we
spoke about. He was coming from Montreal
Yeshiva. I was coming from Chicago tals
and there were two two young Spanish
baham from um from other yeshivas that
were you know joining in with the other
baham in in
a colleague in Baltimore um just with
these his two blocks down so I got to
see him in action and even I I teach in
in Malot what's now known as wit
seminary which is located upstairs from
from his shel and and I was there all
the time and we spoke And I got to
really see a little bit in action even
from the comingings and going. I had to
a very very special to trade places with
how every time Gdalia we did this 16
years in a row uh until he you know he
he he retired and now I do it with with
Rose who took over. We trade places by
between I go to to to to their to speak
and he comes to to our so our had this
of hearing him every time and um you
know it was it was a beautiful uh um
just way of beginning the year and u you
know I I'll miss him tremendously. Well,
that I'm sure. And the suddeness of the
of his loss was one of the reasons why
everybody still continues to be in a
state of shock. And no doubt the
Baltimore community even more uh than
some of the communities up here.
Although, as you noted uh when he was
with the OU, he certainly um represented
us well and certainly had an impact on
orthodox jewelry and as many have
pointed out uh on jury in general in
this country and the world. Uh Rabbi
David Heber is with us. It's time to
check out some calendaric trivia on a
roesh morning. And Rabbi Heber, you know
what we have to start with. I mean, we
have no choice now. Now that we've gone
through uh the three Tuesday yabtoim in
a row, we must discuss what everybody
was discussing during this month of
Tish. And that is, and I have to be very
careful how I say this, was this the
worst of all of the setups. When when
you have a
>> when you have a yuntiff that could begin
on Thursday for a three-day or of course
on Shabas, which is seems to be
everybody's preference. Although I I
mentioned on the air yesterday, I did
meet somebody who actually loved the
Tuesday start. I can't remember why, but
they told me why they loved it. Uh and
then of course is the Monday and the
two. Now the good news is Rabbi Heber
the good news is that the Tuesday Russia
shunn uh is only 11 and a half% of the
time. So, you know,
>> that's right. Right.
>> Not often.
>> The real answer to your question is it
depends on your age, right? It depends
on your age.
>> I think on your right depends on your
age whether you prefer it or it depends
on your age whether you remember it.
>> Whether you prefer it whether you prefer
it. You see, if you're if you're 10
years old, right, then I mean they were
off. The schools were closed.
>> They miss school for a month. They love
it. Right.
>> That's right. Yeah. And if you're a
working person, you're you're regretting
having to tell your boss you need
another two days off.
>> That's right. Right. Right. It it it had
a little bit of a you know, it felt like
you every you know, every day I mean the
number of days
>> of uh of I think my my son made a
calculation that from from the day of
Arabs, you know, Shabas of
>> right
>> until through
there were 30 of 33 days you either said
or
>> correct. Right. So the doines were if if
I have that stat correct
>> and then that and then and then a very
and then a very close if not if not um
the same stat in terms of how many Arab
shabas and yontiff and how many
shabasive days total you have in that
stretch. It's also way up there.
>> Right. Right. Which would mean you
basically were either making Kdish or
Abdullah every day a little bit easier.
I think it was a little easier. Now, I'm
not going to speak for all the
housewives and and I may get some uh
emails, but I know
when it's Monday, you come right out of
Shabas and you're literally right away
Sunday night. B, you know,
>> you're ready in a row.
>> Right. I made the argument that the
Monday setup is definitely better than
the Tuesday, but you're right. There are
some uh you know, those who prepare the
meals, etc. who might argue with that. I
hear that. I hear that. Meanwhile, the
Monday is 28% of the time while
Tuesday's 11 and a half as our Hebra has
taught us over the years. The Shabas
start, which I think is next year,
right? Next year we get the Shabas.
>> Next, two years in a row,
>> right? Two years in a row. That's 28 and
a half% of the time. And the three-day,
at least outside of Israel, the
three-day for three times is 32%. So,
you know, and again, that seems to be
the second, even though it's three three
day deont, I think it still gets the
vote for the uh second favorite setup.
And remember, Rabbi Heber, there are
consolation prizes. I don't know if you
thought of this or not, but I got to I
got to I got there are cons the famous
consolation prize of course is when yont
is Thursday, you get yum kipper on
shabas. You have a full week a week for
yum kipper and yum kipper shabas. Nobody
has to prepare for shabas etc etc.
That's that's the the famous consolation
prize when it's a Thursday out. But this
year, the Tuesday start, I came up with
two minor minor minor consolation
prizes. You ready?
>> Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Number one,
three weeks in a row of a very short
para.
>> Right. Right. Cuz you had you had
Right. Right. Okay. Good.
>> Second consolation prize. Trust me, the
the teenagers are going to love this one
cuz I don't know why they react to this
so much more than the adults. You ready
for this
>> second consolation prize? Three weeks in
a row of Novi Noah.
>> All right. We have to figure out what to
do Shabas last week. That's true. That's
true. I don't know consolation. That's a
short one. I by me I like to look at the
whole year and say what's the best like
certain things I really like and certain
things um I mean I like every let's
right up front no matter when or where
right but like when I I do the first so
for example when pes is Thursday Friday
you get to Friday shabs you get to you
get to trim your beard
>> okay but then that means that we're
gonna have that the next two years
>> right
>> right um
>> sader seder Wednesday night
>> seder Wednesday night at the same time
um you know when the Friday I find it
you know hard with because you're coming
into Shab all switched up
>> right so so that that that that that's
hard those three days and so many sets
of three days
>> right you know those each one is is its
own uh
>> also also those who are really careful
about Schnee Mikra do not like the
three-day setup because they go right
into braces
>> you know and who's in the mood who's in
the mood to do schnnera after after
dancing some day and night you know so
that's always a consideration and by the
way just to clarify if you're in Israel
you don't make an air of tough shield in
this coming peso that was only meant for
those inutlar it's correct he
>> correct but you will make one on which
will be Friday
>> right right this year'll do it
>> this year oh we're really jumping ahead
here this year is going to be quote
unquote two days everywhere you like how
I put that
>> yes
>> two days everywhere Well put
>> cuz shu is Friday which means in Israel
it will be Friday and then a regular
shabas we'll have the whole paras off
thing right we'll do that again I assume
right
>> right will be
>> together only but not in so it's the one
interesting thing of
>> and that's all the paras are together
all the possible par there's seven sets
of parases that could be together
>> meaning is double paras
every possible double para will be
together
>> wow
>> so you'll be my relat
um you know where you have those double
primes back and hookas and as you saw of
course they only have six possibilities
>> because are are uh are never together
even be together
>> and the shame of it is we're out of
practice because this past year we
hardly had any double parases right
>> well it was it was some right I mean you
had because it was a it was a non- leap
year so we had together oh right you
know those ones in the spring we had
ones in the spring but were separate
were were separate All right. Mas M this
past year were together. I don't
remember.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It was even even in art
everywhere. Yeah. Everywhere. Worldwide.
>> Rabbi Hebra's with us. It's a calendaric
trivia analysis for the year 5786.
Now there's a significant event
happening this matz shabas um that I
believe and and again the same
significant event is happening in
another part of the world next m shabas
which I believe is very uh um uh a key
to specifically 5786. You ready for this
Heber? Are you ready for this?
>> Go ahead. Go ahead.
>> This this coming mate Shabas they
changed the clock to standard time in
Israel.
Next mat shabas, we changed the clock to
standard time. By the way, as an aside,
everybody, it's the uniqueness of one
week of a six-hour difference between
the east coast and right. It's one week
of a six-hour difference if if people
are calling.
>> No,
>> say it again.
>> In the spring again, it's the spring
again.
>> And in the spring, it happens for much
longer. But but yes, it'll it'll only be
a week this time. So next week if you
have a Zoom call with someone in Israel
and you're wondering why they're late,
this is the reason because they think
it's a sevenh hour difference or if
they're early whatever figure it out
everybody. Anyway he what did I discover
about 5786 while I was analyzing
the daylight savings time end in Israel
this week and the daylight savings time
end in in the United States next week.
What did I discover Rabbi Heber? It is a
topic that we have discussed before. One
of the things they did in this country
and you'll agree with this and we
discussed this when the whole proposal
came up about keeping daylight savings
time all year round. Where where are we
holding with that by the way is the
government still planning on doing that
daylight savings time year in
>> they they they had some committee
meetings about it but um to the best of
my knowledge it hasn't gotten past there
um and different now it's quiet
obviously there's a lot of other things
going on in government that they're busy
with. So I think this this is kind of a
bit lower on on the you know you never
know. Does does Jewish leadership know
that you're the best representative of
our community to argue the case against
daylight savings time year round? Do
they realize that you're the that you're
the authority when it comes to time?
>> I I I don't know. But maybe maybe I'll
get to go to the Senate one day. If if
you push it, you'll you'll get me into
the Senate to testify.
>> I I could I could just see it now. We
can't we can't have the seeking minion
at 8:00 in the morning. We can't we
can't. Anyway, so what did I discover
about 5786? I've always ted it and
you've agreed with me that in the old
days when they changed the clock to
daylight savings time after Pesak we had
the luxury of having the Pesak seder
quote unquote an hour early right
basically 7:30 instead of 8:30 in the on
the east coast
>> and we had the the again what I believe
is easier uh much shorter Tannis Esther
and the only exchange was that the PM
suda had to be you know started uh
earlier earlier than we usually start it
now because in 5786
Porim is as early as it is and the
United States changes back to daylight
savings time afterwards we will have
Purim and Tannonis Esther on standard
time Rabbi Heber what are you saying to
that I'm applauding it I'm applauding
this
>> that's very good that does happen cuz it
it it it's the cut off is uh you know
straddles put them so every so often
usually right before a leap year which
are the earliest of the years which now
we're before a leap year.
>> We we're we have this ability. You're
100% correct. You know in 2017 we
changed the clock on purum on
>> it happens again in 2031 meaning on
porum Sunday.
>> Yes. Yeah. Purum was Sunday
>> and we changed the clock in 2017. It
happened I believe 2031 it happens
again.
>> So one second. So two year so two years
in a row we'll have a Thomas Esester
ending an hour earlier.
No, no. 2017 and 2031. No, so next year.
>> Oh, I thought it's 2026 we'll have it.
>> I thought you meant 2027. I thought you
meant 2027. You meant 2017.
>> And there are years, by the way, like
the one I just alluded to, which I was
wrong about. There are years where
Tannis Esther is Thursday and then Purim
is Sunday and Tannis Esther is an hour
shorter and then you get the extra hour
for the Suda to start the Suda on
Sunday. So, it does happen. It's a crazy
experience,
>> right? That's nice. That's nice because
when it's Thursday also you don't have
to fast coming into the into the correct
easier.
>> Correct.
>> In the daylight savings time and Titus
Esther in on a regular you know not Arab
Porum but excuse me Arab Porum where
you're going into McGill like let's say
Tus Esther on Monday and then Porum is
Monday night and day saving time you
really don't eat until the same time
it's like Bambas. I check my watch.
>> Correct.
>> Last time it's like 9:20.
>> Especially by you. I think is later by
you than in New York if I'm not
mistaken.
>> A little bit. A few minutes later. We're
west. We're west.
>> Right.
>> 10 minutes. Maybe not 10 minutes. Like
Detroit. My brother lives in Detroit. I
mean there it's like everything's so run
so right.
>> They're the most They're the most west
you can get in the Eastern time zone.
>> Pretty much from a from a from a from
Kiila. The latest places are are Detroit
where my brother lives. brother. I have
uh wife has a brother and a sister. We
have Cincinnati. My daughter lives in
Cincinnati. There's mountain in there so
late. The late absolute latest is
Southbend.
>> And Cleveland also, right? Cleveland
also.
>> Cleveland's also very late. Yeah.
>> Oh, but South Bend's even more west.
>> Yeah. Mark, I think it's like maybe 8 10
8 to 10 minutes. Uh
>> now before they used to have a they do
they have issues ding even without
daylight.
>> Correct. Correct. Yeah. I want you we've
discussed Mosha stock about this, right?
We we've discussed on the era of Mosha
what where Mosha's approach was
>> when it came to the energy crisis when
they went to daylight savings time for
the winter I think you and I
>> right that the certain it is actually
good because Sunday you know daily
savings time actually be this is just a
important idea daylight savings time
begins
>> not the first month of Shabas in
November it begins the first Sunday in
November which means that if if if
December if October 31st is on a shabas
right
>> I'm sorry if if um If November 1st,
let's see, it's October if
>> Yeah. October 31st. If October 31st on a
shop is
>> then November 1st, Sunday, they change
the clock, right?
>> Correct. They change the clock on
Sunday. And that's now it's a little
better because now this this year we're
>> November 2nd, right?
>> November 2nd, which is early. Next will
be the 1st. So that'll be good.
>> Rabbi Heers with us. We're discussing
calendar trivia. Final point on this
daylight savings time thing because I
feel because it's in the news or or you
and I still think it's in the news uh
that it's it would be interesting to
point this out. I was saying to myself,
okay, they ruined Purim, they ruined
Pesak, you know, with my theory about
going to daylight savings time earlier
and earlier and we've discussed this and
you know ruined of course I'm joking
around but you know what I mean. Um so I
said to myself, I wonder if they do go
to daylight savings time year round if
there'll be any benefits or any
drawbacks. I came up with one and one.
You ready for this, Rabbi?
>> Okay.
>> If they go to daylight savings time year
round, the Sarbetes gets to be an hour
later.
>> Right.
>> We're used to Saravas ending like in the
5:30 area, which is a gift when it comes
to a fast day. 6:30 is a big difference.
Don't you agree?
>> Right. Later. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
>> And then the other start. It'll start
you'll be able to eat a grand breakfast.
>> That's true. I would have Right. I
especially here, we'd be able to have a
much larger breakfast than usual. a
prefast day. That's true. Nate if if if
this would happen then this of course
this is the huge problem is that Nate
Takama would be sunrise would be in
Baltimore at 8:25 in the morning which
means you couldn't den even even even
the earliest of the earliest with all
the tear would be 7 a.m.
>> and even that would be pitch black but
your fast wouldn't begin till about 7:00
a.m. So you could sit down at 6:30 and
you know uh 6:15 and really uh but it's
totally totally dark if that would if
that would happen. But um yeah, it would
be a huge problem. Huge problem.
>> And uh Assar Betavves, let me see here.
Assar Betavves in New York this year, if
we did have daylight savings time, oh my
gosh, sunrise would be 8:19. Wow. And
that means and that means Alo would be
around somewhere between a quarter to 7
and 7:00.
>> Boy, you can you can have a whole brunch
without a problem.
>> All right. So, I was thinking that that
would be a drawback. back, you know,
servous an hour later. What would be the
benefit? You're ready for this Hebra. I
wonder if you agree with me or not. In a
rabbitic family, this may not be as big
of an issue. A drop more of a flexible
schedule and those who are tied to their
desks at work. But if in fact we had
daily savings time year round, we could
move the start time of lighting Kaneka
candles to an hour later. And that might
benefit a lot of families who want to
light at the appropriate time, at the
best time, but they can't always make it
home from work. Now in this area it
would be like 6:15 6:30 if we would do
that
>> 100%. And of course f the biggest
advantage would be shabas to start later
people who rush home right
>> you know who have to leave work early
they leave work early that they they
would be able to say later I believe is
going to talk in a letter
>> when this you know was discussed by the
by the oil embargo in the 70s and they
made that change I think he wrote that
that know that the shavage is at an
advantage but it does not
>> take it not it does not offset the
problem with the dominating issue
because the dominating issue is so
severe
>> oh 100% Even though yes there is a
little bit of silver lining in some of
this but um you know in some place some
communities wouldn't affect I mean I was
called someone called me about this that
>> we're making a big deal in some
communities that really start the day
later
>> right you know where just things get
started later so late sunrise wouldn't
have any impact
>> well can you give me can you give me an
example what do you mean to start the
day later what does that mean
>> no let's say back there since
communities they're admining as you mean
she I mean she is they start domining.
They dominate some start dominant 10 to
8 8:00. So,
>> correct. Correct.
>> So, the day savings times start 8:25.
Okay. We'll start the yeshiva high
schools won't be affected. Right.
>> Right. Minim minimally. It's it's really
the people who are going to work 6:30
beyond
>> and and I don't want to simplify this
because obviously I haven't seen it in
years. I don't remember all the
discussions about it. But if I remember
something about Ramos Chuva of that era,
he was very sensitive to try as hard as
possible to keep the minion times their
usual minion times. In other words, if
there was a way, whatever that meant,
whether it meant, you know, adjusting
your talis and fill in at the
appropriate time during domining or, you
know, domining to a certain point and
then and then, you know, at the
appropriate time taking over or
continuing, you know, with the tila,
whatever it was, I know that he tried if
there was a 630 million every day, it
was very important to him that, you
know, there was a kas like that for a
community that that that he would tr
that he would try within the world of
halaka to keep it at 6:30.
>> That's right. So right at the other
place also very important like people
like to habitually to come at the same
place also at the same time and and
otherwise you know I'm not coming like
you're fighting hey we just saw this
during co you're fighting human nature
it took people years to get back to shu
after they you after you know for many
people I shouldn't say everybody but
many people it took a long time to get
back to the regular sh routine with all
the closures during co imagine this if
year round it's daylight savings time
could be months at a time that you have
to make an adjustment for Davin. And
I'll tell you another thing, by the way,
>> if this does happen, and I know that
we're dealing with this hypothetical,
but if it does happen, those workplaces
that provide a place to Davin Shakras at
8:00 a.m. or 8:30 a.m., they'll be the
heroes of the entire thing because I
don't know about I don't know about
Baltimore, but in New York, you could
find a lot of companies that are open
to, you know, shakras and mka being done
in their facility on a daily basis,
>> right? We have a lot of ma I don't know
of any workplace that has chakras
because
>> there are here ma is all over and I'm
sure in New York here in Manhattan
there's all this.
>> Yeah. But I'm saying even chakras here
you'll find if uh if you look hard
enough by David Heber is with us. All
right everybody uh here's your chance
last few minutes. What else do we need
to know about the year 5786? Anything
about the holidays, the parios? What
type of months are we going to be having
in 5786? Today we're observing a two-day
as it always is. Ro Kodesh Maresh fun
what about Kisslave and Tavves? Those
months can be adjusted on an annual
basis. Am I right?
>> Right. Right. Right. Correct. So we're
gonna have this year we're going to have
uh it's going to be 2930. Kasan is 29 is
29 days. Islam is going to be 30 days.
And there are two I want to mention that
this year is not as exciting as last
year was with all the Purum Fridays and
all that. But there's something this
year. There are two silent things before
I before I get to the a few little
tidbits of what everybody will see.
There are two silent events that
occurred that occurred this year. Okay.
Number one is there was a mahas a
dispute 1100 years ago as to when
Russashan is it was between
Babylonia and Arab mayor the year it's
it's the 900s. Okay. the 900s this
occurred and what was the dispute? It
actually kept Russia Shana on different
days.
>> Wow.
>> And you'll you'll you'll hear what I'm
telling to you for this year. Well, I'll
get to this here in a second. There and
I'll be as brief as I can on this, but
the the way to determ
which is the time of the new moon of the
month of Tish, right?
>> If the myad is now there's some
exceptions. If the mil is on a on a
Sunday, as you know, the rice you can't
have a shun on Sunday. So we make it
Monday even though the mil was on
Sunday, Wednesday or Friday. Another
it's called what pushes off Russashana
if the millet is after 12 noon the
rashashana is the next day. So this year
we had that. Okay, this year the millet
occurred at 12:10 at 7. Okay, look it's
3 and 30 seconds. So we pushed off
Russanda to Tuesday. In other words,
we're talking about Tuesday versus
Monday. It missed Monday by about 11
less than 11 minutes. Meaning had the
might have been 11 minutes earlier the
time of the new moon versus the sun it
would have been Monday
>> we'd be already done with now the whole
year would have had a ripple effect.
>> Oh wow.
>> But but we didn't. Now, now listen to
this. In in in 112 years ago, there was
the the Robin Eric's name was Aaron the
mayor. He said the cut off for the milad
is not 12:00 noon. It's 12 about 12:35
and and a few.
So if the millet if that year the millet
fell between 12 noon and 12:35
>> like this year
>> they argued like this year like this
year they argue in Russash would be in
that case it was shabas versus Monday
mayor said it's not what's called a rash
is on shabas and then they they had
rashan on shabas you have kipper on
Monday and so on in bal
vehemently disagreed and said no the cut
is 12:00 Roshashana is on in that case
it was Monday this year for the first
time in 181 years the last time was 1844
this happened the milad fell in the
window between 12 noon Wow
>> and 12:35
>> and by the way there's a major major
discrepancy you're not blowing chauffeur
both days according to one cheita
>> correct if it's shab in the case of
shabas on Monday right you're not
blowing chauffer And you're celebrating
kipper on a totally different day. And
>> so you have you have people blowing show
for one day and others blowing show for
both days.
>> Right. Exactly. Right. Right. And also
fasting kipper which day. So this was a
huge and and it it was resolved um the
Rambam clearly like and that era they
kept like these years come in bunches.
It'll happen again in 2029. I know is
one of the years and then either I
forgot if it's 2028 or 2030 but it it
comes in bunches but it has not this has
not happened again there's no practical
what's called nakam there's no practical
difference right
>> but it's fascinating this actually was
my drussa on on the first day I
mentioned this in passing and I we spoke
about how has to you know comes to the
importance of coming together which you
see with they wouldn't be in this case
could you imagine you know People talk
about in in which we've spoken about on
the show in in in Kobe Japan the Mirhiva
and other talidum they kept the Yoyam
Kipper which day that was one day one
year a whole bunch of you know Tidum
students had this based on what was
coming from and we're still talking
about it 80 years later could you
imagine if this is persisted so it was
critical and the Ram is very clear
that 12 noon is the cutoff and therefore
was clearly this year on Tuesday and
again it rippled the whole year cuz poor
was on Friday instead of Thursday and
and and so on and that's one silent um
event that occurred that was went by
pretty unnoticed right
>> pretty pretty unnoticed I I had a share
on this on any time if you want more
details I had a shear back in the fall
in the kiss lifetime where this these
issues already related on it's it's on
any time that's number one number two
the other silent issue and This was just
a a random thought over yont. Okay,
>> we are in the middle year of Shmita
right now. Meaning there's a seven-year
cycle of Shmita. We're in fourth.
>> We are in the fourth year of of Shmita.
So we're right right in the middle.
Right. Right in the middle.
>> Okay. In the 19ear cycle as as right. We
have the ninth year cycle and leap years
are you know seven times.
>> We are in the middle year of the 19ear
cycle.
>> Year 10.
>> Okay. We're in year 10. Right. Right in
the middle. Okay. The two of those are
in the middle together only every 133
years that you're right right in the
middle.
>> Oh my god.
>> Both both occur. Okay. But listen to
this. This I thought of Rashana.
Rashashana this year was on Wednesday
which is in Yiddish is known as midvak.
>> Well Rashana was Tuesday.
>> Tuesday. Wednesday. Right. But the
second day the only time Rashana is ever
on a Wednesday. Either day. First day is
ever on a Wednesday. Right. Second day
on a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. So you
had the middle of the week. You had the
middle year of Shmita. You had the
middle year of the 19th year cycle has
never happened. All three.
This is the first time it ever happened.
>> Ever since ever since the calendar was
was the way we know it. LP you know
calculation since 4119. It has never
happened.
>> Wow.
>> Um
I may rush out of that also.
>> I would imagine. So I mean my gosh
people going to think there's a lotion
about you last members. I'm very
careful. But when something comes across
I can't I can't resist. I made a Josh
out of the mid the importance of Victor
Rambam says like being in the middle of
the road meaning not too much this not
too much that especially on
not being too quiet and you know running
away and not being overly exuberant
shall we say and running around with
safety to the corners of the best
measures you know so we don't bring them
back. That was that was that was
on a more just a few little practical
things that people will notice. Yeah.
>> Okay. Three this year which we've had
many times recently but enjoy appreciate
the moment
>> because other than this is the last
three we're talking about.
>> Wow.
>> The last time we're going to have three
catey besides Tyra for three years 2029
is going to be the next time that it
happens. And the longest benching will
also have on Shabas Khan. That's not
going to happen for 14 years. Um.
>> Oh. Because because the three because
the three in 2029 is a different
>> is a different
>> correct. It's it's
>> with
Exactly. Right. Here's one you're going
to like because you always like to
My son told me this one. It's the only
year. Okay. that you make twice on a
Thursday night which is always like
interesting because especially after
>> so we did so we did we did an kipper
>> right and we'll do it m pes
>> wow if you're not in Israel
>> if you're not in Israel which also is a
little difficult for the housewives
coming out of you know as communities
making
>> I remember when pes would end on
Thursday and we would have this whole
discussion if we should just use matzer
try to Kala for Shabas. I remember that
because
>> my wife will be baking that kala of
Shabas. I can tell you that.
>> Yeah. My parents were always I think my
parents aired on the side of, you know,
just in case someone got started a
little too early because it was Thursday
night. We're just going to use matzabas.
I remember that. I don't know why that I
I distinctly remember that. Uh but of
course that's only in a family where you
buy kalas as opposed to what you just
said where you're in a family where
someone bakes the kalas. So if they bake
the obviously they're doing it at the
proper time. I'm just looking. So the um
>> roesh taves oh it is a two-day or it's
shabas Sunday this year. It's shabas
Sunday. So basically oh one other thing
about this year I wanted to mention
Rabbi he which I think you'll laugh at.
You ready for this
>> for the fam for the families who can
never ever get it exactly right because
there's two sides quote unquote to every
family. Right. You got your family, your
wife's family, all your kids have their
other side of the family, etc., etc.
This year, there are two Sunday nights
of Kaneka. You can actually have two
That's right. two Sunday night Khan
parties in addition to the Mozar Shabas
one.
>> What do you think of that?
>> Good. It's good. 100%. Yeah, absolutely.
Now, next year, of course, we're jumping
ahead. You're going to have two Shabas
Khanas.
>> Wow.
>> Which we haven't had in quite some time.
That creates different schools and
yeshivas give off different shabases.
Correct.
>> But that you know which one but it it
has its advantages and disadvantages
and and you'd still have three party
possibilities. Two matzah is shabases
and one Sunday.
>> Right. Right. Exactly. Right. Oh no. No.
I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I'm wrong. It's
only one matzabas. You're light you're
lighting you're lighting Friday night.
So
>> Right. Right. That's so you need Sunday.
You need a Sunday Hanukkah to get to
Mishabas.
>> Correct. But the other thing this year
interesting it's the only year it's the
only possible year that um that you have
four tim
>> uh so yum kipper was a Thursday
will be Thursday tishabove will be
Thursday oh and obviously tanester is
gonna be Thursday no
>> was correct
will be what' you say prim was what day
of the week
>> purim is going to be on Tuesday.
>> So Monday's tan so tangal and yam kipper
as a set a week apart andos and tishov
as a set three weeks apart.
>> Exactly. And so it's the only year this
type of exact year exact year that we
have where you have you know it starts
on a Tuesday and and and
pesos on a Thursday right
>> this type of year will not happen for 27
years. this exact
everything will repeat itself somewhere
along the way for other reasons but the
the year in its complete sake. So so
this form is in this type of year only
in the same day of the week. You never
have for the same day of the week in any
other year. So again this type of year
27 years and then won't happen for
another 27 years.
>> Well am I right that the unpopular
Tuesday Russia and of course that's said
tongue and cheek be based on the
beginning of this conversation uh
doesn't happen for another 20 years. Am
I right about that? That's correct. That
is correct. So poor him on a Friday and
that's again something someone sent me
an email. Your congregants, how many
times have your congregants heard this
the last time for 20 years. I said I'm
careful but again pes on Sunday and
Purum on Friday and and the Hab was on
Pesi and oh we had the most days of the
week.
>> Yeah.
>> The most no the most days in a row we
laned. We just had we just finished that
11 days in a row,
>> right?
>> We lane by sukus Arab sukus andag and
that again will happen in 20 years. But
this this it won't happen for 20 years
is now sort of we got one more month of
this
>> right
>> till till Rashadishes kids plays we
could say this won't happen for 20 years
>> yeah and also and also this was the only
year the only setup uh where we laned
error rashana you never lane Russashana
except for this setup
>> exactly exactly
>> um
>> which means that people with yard sites
okay if I get this right right that if
you had a if someone had a yard sight on
error rush Sana or let's say on Zion
Tishray or Arab Sukus,
>> right?
>> Or um or um you know then then they got
an aliyah this year and they won't get
one for 20 years on the yard site
because
>> that's the only setup of laning and if
you subtract out you know
all those days follow the same day of
the week. So they um uh they get a they
got an aliyah this year and it's someone
that had the yard site on the same day
of the week as Rashana like let's say um
test uh tish. So this year it was on a
on um on a um on a Tuesday they did not
get an ali even though they normally do
>> if
it's usually on a landing day Monday
Thursday or shabas.
>> Correct.
And the same thing with with, you know,
in there'll be a bunch of days like that
also. Um,
>> amazing.
>> The math, you'll figure that out.
>> Amazing. Absolutely amazing. All right.
Well, Rabbi Heer, you know, you know,
one thing, I'll definitely think of
something after this conversation. So,
we'll be able to schedule another
conversation with all later on in 5786.
That's for sure.
>> Looking looking forward looking forward.
It's a quiet year, but as we know and
and I'm honored to be on your show,
there's never a quiet year. There's
always fascinating events in the in the
Jewish calendar and uh
should be a you know a year of braha and
we should really we should really have
simas and you know you and your family
and your listeners and and all of
>> a maine no question about it. Um this is
hopefully going to be a year of true
peace for Amsterd. Been a rough couple
of years and now we really could use
some true peace especially for our
brothers and sisters in the holy land.
Uh Rabbi Heber Shak, thank you so much.
A happy healthy and sweet 5786.
>> You too. Take care. Zagun
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