Brenner part 3

our final stretch and let's let's go here's an email question for you gentlemen anyone who lives in Israel benefits from the governor regardless if he takes money police rdf lights flushable toilets and mail no one calls the a though when a terrorist is in town so the say don't need to serice because they don't take any money is a bad argument you want to tle that gentlemen okay yes there's a lot lot of our people living in the state of Israel before the state was established now the state was EST L against their will they were living in peace before the state of Israel even was established and unfortunately when you say you were living in peace before hold on hold on you said that they were living in a state of Peace you mean there was no killing of Jews by Arabs before 1948 there was no Pam in 1929 Inon or anything like that there was but only after instigation of the Z of people in Israel uhuh no they were not killing Jews okay go ahead 1900s mid 1900s Zionism started not 1948 that 1930s the ha already existed B for declaration in 1917 I suggest you read a book called Jerusalem 1913 by a woman Amy dcer Marcus she want a p p surprise for it it describes that in that the year where the Arabs okay go ahead okay hello hello yes yeah go ahead huh okay so the question is right one and um he said that it's a wonderful place for Jews and the Arabs are a peaceful people the Arabs are terrible terrorists the animals no question about it but the antagonizing that designers did again read Amy d by the way may may I suggest you read we're going to do I read backwards and forwards wonderful saer wonderful nothing to do with what I'm saying what does it have to do with anything it has to do with who negates your anti-zionism that's what it has to do it yes it absolutely does absolutely does z z did you ever read it what does it say in the first chapter Z and name read the book first chapter about you I don't have the book in front I can go get it I don't have in of me right now you know anything about it you just mentioning so let me tell you something nowhere in name does it mention anything about creating a state of Israel he talks about I know I'm a you said but which is quoted in one of the editions in says Rabel was far from being a Zionist he discusses a completely different topic about the settlements the colonies it's a different issue not a state well he wrote he died before the state actually came on but he gave a basis for the state and and he was vilified for that is he was vilified for that too by the way argue for a he argues why the nonreligious can build a state and why they even today yes he does come on he talk about how he talks about the how the Messiah can come from non religious people from people that are considered he goes through a whole thing he doesn't talk about a state he talks about he doesn't he talks about the building they talk about the building of Arro and when he died the state was not formed he was talking about the fact that nonreligious people including the anti-religious could be the harbinger to bring Messiah to come that's what he writes in this book i z z z I understand what he says but number one he doesn't discuss having a state having a Haring J anti anti-religious it's a different issue altogether if you you're you're you're saying that I'm a at least know what they hold at least know what I'm familiar with I am familiar with what the position is now what I want to do now let's take a couple of phone we're almost near the end of the program a lot of people waiting to speak to you so let's go to mosha in and I don't mind doing another show about the anti-zionism there was even a rebi um who is called the rebi Imam shimo because he himself changed from being anti-zionist to Zionist we'll cover that in a future broadcast let's go to M Bar Park you have a question for guest mosha if you're not there then we're going to go to Muny New York okay M New York you have a I believe it's more High m you have a question for our guest go ahead Mony hello I was point that the beginning wanted um vmg um they want him to attend and they spoke and said clearly that he want that when he he agreed to come to the protest in the beginning um I can't prove it but some some the are s some from from Out Source and clearly said title bomb that this is going to be anti zist anti-zionism rally and we're going to say clearly that we're not only against the draft we are against the whole thing and the of the EUR Serv very clear a lot of times he opposed A lot of times tests that are not um direct against the state of Israel we oppos such protests because he wants because it's according to him you have this it's a if you don't say that against the state of Israel can I respond to that go right ahead yeah I'm not familiar with the conversation between the r and that happened the pis um a few months ago I I understand I I can't talk to that because I don't know about I will tell you the deo's position on this yes it's it's true that he said that you need to mention at these rallies that nobody should think that cause you're protesting the events be it's the pool in Jerusalem be it's the drafting of women be it's now the drafting of men you cannot give the impression that you're for the state of Israel and that you're only against xus because that would indeed and what we need to do is we need to tell the world he says if you'd like to look it up we need to tell the world that the state of Israel is a totally secular State and doesn't repres presentent the Jewish people because we Jews are blamed in the eyes of the world for the acts of the state of Israel he wants us to distance ourselves from that and to tell the world you know what we don't want credit for what Israel does and we don't want blame for what they do they don't represent us it's in and in the Mahar in the back there's a transcripts about he had about the between while he was organizing the protest in 1958 but he also never made a protest unless un there was an event to tie it to be it the the um the pool in Jerusalem or be it the the drafting of women or whatever it is they never had never made randomly an anti-israel rally of course he was anti-israel fine wonderful I agree with him but the the and and the but the point of the protest was he said yeah you need to make sure that people understand that it's not merely the event that you're against however the protest itself definitely is tied to a specific event tomorrow so by this protest are you you guys supposed to say that you're anti-israel you supp say I'm antira I'm sure somebody will say let me respond a couple weeks ago there was a protest in Isel called but they that created and not a single word was said that there against the existence of the state of Israel now is the are the leading rabbis of the South and they understand as much or more that M from want to say a at a protest of not not a single word was said about the state of Israel they were disagre certain things in the video also okay in the earlier years no something and if you want to do it none of of our leading rabbis ever came out saying that idus went away from the W from the now you you cannot say that at least you have one Rabbi with you that would put in writing saying that the ERS left the ways of the de now there was a protest couple weeks ago and I repated not a single word was said against the state of Israel and not a single word was said against the religious party in the simp it was so let me let me get clarification and Rabbi Shapiro let me get clarification so tomorrow's rally which is today's rally is there going to be an anti-israel speech made as well is that part of the what's going to happen today no it's it's not part of the agenda if somebody mentioned something I don't know I have no idea but it is not on the agenda it is not part of the purpose of the rally in the slightest if somebody asks me um I'm not I'm the spokesman if somebody asks me I'm going to tell them just like I told you that it's against the draft if somebody ask subsequence of that one of the newscasters or something or whoever well are you people against Israel do you believe the state of Israel is trying to shm the so on and so forth I will answer truthfully that yes we are but this rally as you heard from that kid from like with that called anybody that's against the Dr has equal purpose and equal reason to be there here's an email question please don't allow the stoper S to stipulate to you that they don't take money from the state of Israel they absolutely do but did not talk taking is funding for the aias individuals and families are taking money just like everyone else so they shouldn't ask if they're not taking any money and if they don't want to participate in the draft they should not be given that money that's what Yan writes okay Y is entitled to his opinion somebody takes privately money you cannot prove it but if the are are loudly rejecting money it's aish and this is the way RAB teached us and this is the way the teached us and this is the way the Pres R teaches us and we're going to stick to it there are two reasons not to take money from Israel according to the number one there's a mystical thing about a person's uh uh character a person's Essence is tied to his money but number two much simpler that we don't want to be bound to them very simple we don't want to be bound to them we want to be independent we don't want them to control us we don't them to have any control over us here's an email question B are you saying that this is a rally against n that Ryman endorses please let him answer clearly the answer is it's a it's a rally against the draft period the draft not anything else the draft so the answer is no it's against the draft let's go to another phone call let's go to yon I believe in Brooklyn uh you've been waiting very patiently your question or we're almost running out of time your question for our guest you're on the air okay if you're not there with your question let's move on to the next caller your quick question or comment for our guest go ahead please yes your question go ahead please Williamsburg go ahead if you if you don't have a question we going to go to the next one 30 seconds you on the air okay let's go to the next caller okay you're on the air with a question for our guest go ahead please okay let's go to our next caller your question for our guest go ahead please yes you're on the yes go ahead yon go ahead yeah I'm call from Brooklyn yes your question your question go ahead please um okay hi uh good everybody good um I just uh I'm not s I'm not anti- Zionism I've been to Israel this year Al three times I by the way spoke with you at the convention and uh I really don't hate to say and and I go a lot ler from Bar Park just P out my word you're so naive you're so one track mind you're busy with all the time the whole thing over here is not against I mean and it's not against anybody it's against the giraff against the American government will do it we do protest against the American government as well don't don't mean here the Israeli government mean here the dra you want to go to go in do whatever you want you cannot take out of Yesa and tell him go to the Army but by the way first of all what I said earlier is that this draft has not been finalized it's still negotiating they're talking about not an 18 at 21 or 22 they're talking about an option of a draft or public service so it's not fairly characterized as being a draft there's still a lot of issues to be worked out whole time one at a time please rab Shapiro you wanted to say something R shap the details are 2186 or 22 we're not going to tolerate a draft of yila guys period it doesn't matter and again I'll repeat it's much easier to stop something before it's implemented then after and by the way the shots position is when I spoke with them is that they're willing to tolerate a certain number to be talked about now they talk about 1800 they're talking about a different number that's what a compromise was where certain amount would be what number it is if you don't want to go to the Army there's no there there's no such thing that's taking you without your will there's no such thing that's what a draft is about even in this country we used to have a draft too in Poland should be in Hungary should be the second world war first world war so it's always the problem to take to to the military I'm myself I have cousins over there they're afraid to be drafted there's no such thing taken without your will I don't I don't get it all right we appreciate your phone call thank you so much we only room for one or two more phone call so quick question or comment go ahead please quick question or comment hold on okay if you're not there let quick question or comment okay go ahead please you your turn hello okay and we'll take let's take one more phone call okay you're on the air quick question or comment you're on the air yesy from Queens go ahead and queen I just sort of weing lay I just trying to understand even though it could be that the people will find their th but if in this particular situation they keep repeating again and again that they have an interest in in in book from not being drafted so that's something that clearly does not specifically only to S so what why do you keep repeating the idea of being anti-israel forget about their personal opinion but but the that's the purpose of theic specific rallies clearly something which is not anti-israel but anti- specific thing that they're trying to do well first of all you heard J BR who member the Community member even the blot board where he's basically said that let's call it what it is so it's being organized by that by The Sovereign community so while officially it's regarding the draft but the agenda is anti-israel that's for the real purpose of making the rally to be against Israel that's why it's being done yes he's not familiar he wasn't at the meeting no here you here you go against Z 10 people are telling you one thing you but you yourself said or somebody said that the slma Reby never had a rally against Israel they had it was a purpose was something attached to whether it was uh different events no no no no there's nothing attached to anything again the purpose of this protest is to protest the draft lvx are going to be there Rivas are going to be there you heard Buck from Lake are going to be there different types of cedm are going to be there please there's a little intellectual honesty stop saying this is a a sasma anti-israel DFT you make you're trying to marginalize it and you're trying to portray it as something that is not please St well that's my opinion but you're saying differently and I'm resp here's an email your opinion about what what why I'm doing something listen you know what's going on hold on but I read to you earlier in the program at settle that's being given out by the S about attending to the rally which shows what the agenda is I read it too early in the broadcast you I expain that t is going to slap the zus in the face Lely translated which is true I agree with the settle but I also say that it's against dri that s do count that if a buer is not here's an email question if a bucker is not interested in learning can he go to the Army no not either how about no okay okay let's no no no no no no wa three three reasons first of all are allowed to assist the state of Israel in any ways including fighting against Wars because the existence of the state of Israel is against the TOA second of all the morality theas the shabas and so on is very bad over there and third of all is little ti so combined all three together you're not allowed to go to to serve in the army this gentem said he's not learning and why can't he join where they have a special division that's that was his question because I spoke to many members ofar they said please don't come in because you wouldn't go out the same way you came in I explained even they teach things they try to inculcate they try to change people against their education against their upbringing so here's an mil they were forced soldiers were forced to listen to woman singing they were they were trying walk out that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't that wasda by the way that that had the problem the difference wants to be for 2 minutes from and not to listen to the woman is not 2 minutes from they're from all the time the 24/7 from I think oh so if they're from all the time and they want to and they want to leave uh the place where a woman is sing thinking I'm sorry why wer they allowed okay that's country that's the big deal for the country if the B is this the country more safer when the book you know I I agree with you that that they have to be more sensitive I think that's something we worked on there that's something okay be more sensitive absolutely absolutely and so on you think that this Army the the professionally run Army the problem is that it's a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community that's what you think it's sensitivity they need send them sensitivity training no no in that particular case there is a certain sensitivity that should have been inhered to and they didn't because if somebody says for religious reasons I object they should be exceeded to but what motivated them to refuse that what motivated a commander you know it was a commander at that particular event what motivated that you know I don't know the answer to the question you're assuming that it s could be whatever their reason is I don't know even if it was is something which has to be dealt with and I think the rabbis of the H yeshivas are dealing with that issue here's an email question so let's close down the Israeli Army have S and all those who are against the defending state of Israel see how far it'll get them if not for the Israeli Army no Yesa would be able to exist I want to answer that let me hold on let me finish the let me finish the let me finish the question let me I'll let you answer here let me finish the question shman is allowed in Williamsburg to defend the s communities why should Israel be any different from protecting themselves from people out to destroy them have all the same when cover all an matter I want I want to answer all these questions the first question was asked to the by benan he said if you were the commander of the army would you arm them with guns oras this was his answer he said there was a a guy who whose wagon is driving in the snow and freezing or breaks down and he's stuck in in the snow and his fingers are getting Frost bit now apparently the prevention for frostbite you stick your hands in the snow and I guess like an igloo it insulates he sticks his hands in the snow and it protects him from frostbite so he turns up to Hashem and he says thank you Hashem I'm so glad it's winter cuz if it wasn't winter I wouldn't have snow to protect myself from frost bites the moral of the story The nyal is if it wasn't for Israel we wouldn't need the protection thank God you can have you can demonstrate in America because the strong state of Israel by the way that's what it gives you the affordability to do no I don't believe that we were able to demonstrate we were able to demonstrate America without a strong state of Israel that's your opinion that's a opinion that's fine yeah fine okay let's take some more phone calls we almost out of time we were going to present another seg we're going to try to go let's go to Brooklyn and your question go ahead I believe M and Brooklyn your question good V your question okay hi the on the line yes you are yes your ask your question if now we're going to move on why do you say without the Army will not be yes in Israel that's not what I said what I said I said was without the state of Israel we would have a harder time in this country to hold our head high and have demonstration such as the one that's taking place it's the fact that there's a strong Israel that affords us the opportunity here in this country that we could raise our heads high and with proudly could you explain that why why what does it have to do with Israel can you explain that please because Israel is a Haven for the Jewish people the fact that there's a strong Israel to protect us no Z that's not true running to protect us I'm a Jew I'm in America tell me that and you know what I think about the state of Israel you're telling me that the reason I hold my head high is because of Israel the average Jew you you may you may be a bad example that because you have a different opinion regarding this thing but the average Jew is able to hold their head high in this country because there a strong is part of the problem that's part of the problem that to a Zionist the reason why they hold their head high croud as a Jew is because of Israel for meit to me and the people who going to be there tomorrow I hold myself High my head high as a Jew cuz I'm a Jew that's part of the problem and that's part of why the indoctrination in the Army is a problematic it's not indoctrination without the Army by the way because you know you can you can look at it you're going to disagree with me but it's not I believe it's not the ass of the but we're the as Russa terim told me the other time so can I can I ask you something Z where do you know where the gamar discusses do you know what it means do you know what Rashi says on it you just I'm challenging you I know the answer you're just paring words somebody told you you want to know something we're living we're living in a time when you have a and withness gets a whole different discussion but the very fact that we have a strong state of Israel we have a state we have a med we have after 200000 years that Jews God gave the opportunity forw to go back what after 2,000 the problem is that is okay number one there's absolutely no basis for that that's just Zionist feses but but mean z there is a going do the opposite yes I not only do I dis agree but after 2,000 years or could be 3,000 years it makes no difference we're still in gois and we're obligated to remain in gois the state of Israel does not negate that on the contrary it makes it worse but you were the one that said before that you don't want theological discussion so we're going uhuh go ahead okay so let's take some more phone calls from people and let's see who they have we have like literally 2 minutes because the show is coming to an end your question yes your question far guas yeah you put me in the home go go ahead you I put your can answer your question what's your question quickly my question why is he so against s I'm not against zmer I said it the onset and I'll say it again I like both groups of sakur I have friends in both RAR inside R Zan laes and they do tremendous amount of good work and have tremendous respect on this particular issue regarding the state of Israel and a rally for I'm in a different position I disagree with with that position but if you notice that would you disagree with everything has to do with if not it wouldn't be existing that stff if it wouldn't be fit there wouldn't be what it wouldn't wouldn't be existing this stuff at all well if there would if there wouldn't be a state then you wouldn't have a rally against it right it's not so sure whole different all of them whole different anyway we're out of time so let me just thank Our Guest because U okay thank you for your phone call R I would like make a conclusion that the buses will be leaving for Williamsburg Bar Park Mon Monroe Lakewood Flatbush M Kisco New square and there's going to be posters in each Community uh about the schedule of the buses please come out and droves participate and let our voice be heard a a United voice that the entire American Jury is against the entire American Jury is not opposed to to to to what the take the draft that's taking place right you to First Orthodox and even orod everybody will be there and come out strongly and let our voice be heard anyway the small waer editor of the blaku SP spokesman for the central princial Congress organizer the rally we appreciate you being here with us and I'm sure we'll continue our discussion shk you very much you good thank you we hope you've enjoyed tonight's broadcast this