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hashley and Brooklyn you have a question
for our guest go ahead hashley and
Brooklyn good everybody great guest I
wanted to say that how come they don't
draft the Arabs you know they talking
about fair treatment they don't draft
the Arabs but yet they trust the Arab
being the caness as well as the Supreme
Court and there's that one kab Jew who's
a judge in the Supreme Court why is that
first of all there's some Arabs that
there's certain Arab certain Arabs that
do serve in the Army and there's talking
about also more National service and we
didn't talk about the the gist of what
the debate is in Israel is not just
drafting the Army it's also talk about
national service and that's something
which um is part of the debate in Israel
no they're cutting
the families yet they won't cut the ARs
that they're afraid to cut they give the
god they give them $100 million do they
give them all that money but the poor
little from he he has to
suffer he has to suffer well listen this
issue has not been adjudicated it's
going through the procedures right now
so in a way this is premature because we
don't know how it's all going to turn
out at the end because there's still a
lot of discussion back and forth they're
debating it has not been finalized in
law I want to tell Shapiro what he has
to do is tell the Israeli government
that half of3 billion dollar that come
from America should go to the see this
because we order that Jews votes for the
politicians that support Israel the
second all for Obama but we religious
Jews we on that the reason Israel get $3
billion a year half of it belongs to the
Yas there's no question there's no
question about it um
Israel countries that for themselves
Israel lives off American money they
they don't want that theim should be
schoras they're the biggest schnor
country in the entire world they
wouldn't survive 3 weeks without the
United States of America money no you're
right 100% it's like unbelievable so
anyway thank you for your call we're
going to move on let's go to Lake with
New Jersey I believe we have Westgate uh
New Jersey you have a question for our
guest go ahead please go ahead please
you're on the air yeah um yeah I just
wanted to I'm I'm B learning in um DMG
okay so you you ke keep mentioning that
lakewood's not going to the to the rally
against the draft but I just want to say
that's not not true at all me and and my
friends are going and we're not going
because we're against Israel I'm
definitely not against Israel my
sister's going to Birthright this summer
The only reason we're going is because
of
the I know that if I was in Israel a
learning in Israel and I would be forced
to go to the Army I would not want to
have to go so to show our support to
these B that they shouldn't have to go
we're going to show up there's buses
being going from Lakewood I know a lot a
lot of people from Lakewood are going to
the rally against the draft because
we don't want the bu to have to be
drafted we need we need their learning
and uh that's the whole reason we're
going I know it's being organized by S
is not true so forget about you're 100%
right listen re shapir you know what you
and by the way is by the way the buses
from Lakewood will be leaving between 2:
and 2:30 Forest Corner North Lake Drive
is going to be $15 a round trip so
please the bo from Lakewood come and
bring your friends as more as as
possible now by the way in Lake are they
is it is Risha saying to go or not to go
what are they saying
Riva the Riva is in Mexico right now so
he's not coming but he didn't say we
shouldn't go he said everyone should do
what they would like whatever he said he
has his reason I can't question my rby
but he said everyone could do what they
like I personally asked him if I could
go he said you could do what you like
I'm definitely not telling you not to go
that's all he said now that means that
you can go if you feel that you want to
go because
I have a a cousin who's one of who will
be drafted if this goes into effect and
I don't want that to happen so that's
why I'm going and hundreds of my friends
I know hundreds literally hundreds are
going to be coming some of them from BMG
some of them from many of other and
because you have to show your support to
the B they're like us that's the whole
re we're going okay I appreciate you
Fone thank you here's an email question
ask your guest if he advocates for the
Ked Community to urge the United States
government to cut foreign aid for Israel
if they implement the
draft I'm
sorry I have not thought about that
question in the slightest okay and what
about you
shil and we're thinking some other
measures to take one of them to have a
meeting with the Le leading rabbis ronam
to call a boycott on Israeli products if
God forbid the legislation goes through
and they're going to going to try to
draft enforce our B toas we're going to
talk to the rabbis we're going to
discuss it they're going they're going
to discuss it and it's a possibility
it's a possibility that if they're going
to put our in jail by refusing to be
drafted in the Army a boycot could be
called out on the entire on all Israeli
products second of all it's a
possibility it belongs
for the to discuss we could call for a a
band to travel to Israel for one year or
two years till they're going to retract
their plan but nothing is is sure it's
something it's a possibility so we can
not we we will not sit still we're going
to do everything in our capability to
help out our brothers in Israel they
shouldn't be drafted in the Israeli
Army you're listening to the talk line
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a Leia in bar Leia been very patiently
waiting Leia and BP your question for
our guest go ahead Le and
BP hello yes go ahead you have a
question I'm sorry go ahead you have a
question for our guest yes you have the
wrong name that's okay um it's this
frankly this is very embarrassing for
those people that are speaking out
especially you two guests I can help
believe some of the things that are
saying firstly the fact is Israel could
survive without the $3 billion that's a
known fact and it's been a known fact
for the past 20 years the economy is
doing very well uh and frankly the more
he shouts the more he talks loudly
doesn't necessarily make him right
secondly there is not one American
politician that would say that we should
stop giving Israeli Aid if this thing
went through I can't think of any
politician especially in the that would
say you know what we're not going to
give Israel 2 billion or 3 billion and
thirdly the reason why they're giving
the money $3 billion most of it goes
directly into military uh uh product and
Military uh service and the fact is that
if a lot of it went to Yesa bam then
Israel Israeli military uh Power would
would diminish in Israel and frankly I I
had to laugh when your guest was arguing
with you Z Brer about whether you own a
store in bar park or not and that was
one hood of an argument maybe you got an
email about it yes I mean that was the
most ridiculous argument and it makes us
much sense and he's he's right about
that in the same way that he's right
about all the other things he said I
mean and frankly there is president for
buckram going to the front lines year
thousands of years hundreds of years ago
buam going to the front lines and
learning with the soldiers when they
didn't want to fight or didn't want to
join the military so I would ask your
guest if he would allow Yesa B going to
the front to learn with their military
comrades not to fight but to learn on
the front lines without that be okay
with him anybody want to tackle that
what purpose what what purpose would
that
serve what purpose would that serve
there would be serving and at the same
time there would be learning on the
front
lines Why it would not be affected
morally learning on the front lines
serves I'm not learning on the front
lines there would be would phys but the
for the people in the military it was
done years ago okay it was done years
ago in in in the CL Army in certain
areas was done so I'm asking you if it's
for physic for the soldiers you complain
about the morality you complain about
the mor of the soldiers and the morality
of what is going on in the military he
excuse me I'm not trying to understand
why was this done they took a guy with a
gamarra and just put him on the front
lines with no know
nothing would you want first of all it
wasn't lot many people did not know
necessarily not know nothing there are
many people in the military that are big
L what are you talking about I have
cousins in the military they've know how
to learn as well as anyone in yba what
are you talking about and
secondly how to work
go ahead okay you now you can respond
cuz you finished what he had to say now
you can respond I'm not sure I
understand the question what you're
asking is would we take guys with goras
and just take them out of Bas put them
on the front line not give them a gun
that's not your question just let them
sit and learn in a dangerous place in
the front line for why they would be
learning with the comates in arms they
would be learning with with soldiers
when there was no fighting or there was
being on guard Duty or whatever it was
whatever they were
cross you want them not to learn you
want them to go into the army no our
guys are not going into the army so in
other words if you have a nephew who
knows how to learn he's on the front
line probably he has a friend also that
knows how to learn so why don't they
learn each together why do you need to
pull out somebody from Thea to go to the
front line or or your nephew just the
only one who knows how to learn because
there are certain people that don't
learn as much at the front line these
people would be a it was very
hundreds of years ago these people would
be AIC to those people that don't learn
those people that do learn a little bit
and those people that learn a lot these
people would be AIC and also their mind
would be on the learning and at times
whether it was a brief break whether it
was in war or not in war these people
would be learning you know as well as I
do that in the Israeli Army there are
people learning whether they're on duty
or off duty the are times that they
learn so even even so even when there is
no fighting or even when there is fight
fighting there have been many people
that have gone with goras they have gone
with the K they have gone with their M
and they have learned on the front line
so I'm asking you could they do what
they did years ago they this this
president for this in CLA Ro they did
this years
ago
that to those people that were anyway
anyway you made your point on that you
made your point we're going to move on
we have a lot than you raise a good
point let's go to and BP very patiently
wait waiting lay and BP your question or
comment go ahead lay in B Park yes with
all due respect to you de I listen to
you many times and I call you many times
usually you call a guest and you let him
speak on the topic Pro against whatever
whatever side or to guest and you let
the people call up and say they're for
what he's saying or against what he's
saying here you seem to be putting every
time it comes to Israel you seem to be
putting your own personal thing I know
you're a Zionist and you have every
right to be whatever you want to be but
are you you and I wanted to ask you
something else are you against or for
drafting a Yesa B into the army well
first of all going the fact that you're
able to call in and we invited our
guests on the program we have all
different perspectives on the air was a
little com right andab Shapiro is being
a little combative tonight and I'm being
combative in respon all respect we have
comasa that a lot hold on one at a time
let let Leia speak go ahead Leia yes we
have a comasa that announces the news is
for people that maybe don't listen to
the radio or don't have internet or
whatever it is and people call up it
said that buzs and bells and closenberg
and sth and this one and that so you
stop sidetracking him is this bub of
coming is the other bub of coming is
that s do you think they're going to
speak after this is not a topic about if
the two satas are going to speak if the
two bubbles are going to sit next to
each other if the two clothing works are
going to look at each other this is a
matter of drafting our yiva boys that's
the whole KY of of while is is the Yesa
boys learning in a Yesa are you for it
or against it why can't you answer that
question listen they're right now
they're in the and I actually been in
the Israeli Army I've giv out and I've
come across in the army that serve there
and you want to know something if those
buffam want to serve they should be
allowed to I believe that there's going
to be some compromise that's going to
happen at the end of the day I don't
know what the numbers are going asking
you about a compromise I'm asking you
are you for taking boys voice
voice voice into the army yes or no I
think that a certain percentage of them
should serve in the Army has to be
worked at how when I met with the head
of Shas by the way he agreed that there
should be a certain amount of Ki boys in
the Army the number to be determined
well whoever agrees that they should be
there let them go and whoever doesn't
want to go and they're sitting and
learning there now let me your question
would be so bad that agre to go go and
by the way I don't think that it's wrong
to have if a buck is 22 23 which is part
of the process if they want to do some
sort of national service helping out in
the communities what's so bad if they
help out in their communities I want to
tell you something if you're talking
about satma all night were both saas
this satma three SAS two saas or
whatever it is I want to tell you
something just looking at S I hear that
the S people do not take money from the
government so if anybody could say
anything at any time they should be able
to say anything because they're not
taking any of the help from the
government not for the aias not for the
girls girl schools anything so really
you cannot demand for them to be drafted
before you take everybody else who's
taking money from them so and and and
second of all I just wanted to say that
K Vasa just reported I was listening to
kovas and they said BS and Bub and satma
and closenberg and a whole bunch of
other all are endorsing the thing and
this is not just uh he just doesn't say
his own uh thoughts or meaning like
you're taking phone call say oh somebody
said brother's not coming then oh I got
an email something's not coming this
one's not coming that one's not coming
they just said a whole bunch of places
that are coming no question whole bunch
are coming and by the way sber from the
very beginning Botha we said at the
beginning of the program that they both
coming you were trying to sidestep
everything say are the re going to talk
to each other this has that's a
legitimate question this has to do with
their getting together about something
that's very important that they're both
against it has nothing to do
you will admit though that as far as the
draft is concern ratings sounds
very but you know but that's part of the
process because it took the state of
Israel to get them together on this
particular issue you know what so every
every beard thing sometimes has
something
right brought them together rash can
brought them together so please stop
with this argument but the state of
Israel certainly brought them together
in this particular
issue are together point out full
statements you're being
combative and you're being you aren't
being combative tonight said we already
told you that this is not the first time
they got
together why are you insisting it is I
didn't say the first time right now I
said to this the state the fact is
Israel that is full the fact is that is
the state that today's rally you're
going have both them participating
because of the fact that together how
often they get together you gave me two
examples which no no you said the state
of Israel of Israel to get them together
that is not true and we told you it's
not true
but it's not theate of Israel it's made
blueberg and it's the health department
of the New York City okay let's take
some more phone calls I believe mosha
from Bor park has been very patiently
waiting mosa is is that you mtion BP
hold on I think it's a MOA in borrow
Park so let's see if it's mosa go ahead
your question or comment go ahead please
oh yes good evening told my son a little
bit but my question to to RAB shapir and
RAB weer if the state of Israel decides
tonight that they will not dress boys
from s or people that don't take money
from the government they are ex they do
not have to join the army people that
don't take money don't have to go into
the army well they call off the
protest no no the protest is not against
drafting s people it's drafting any sha
guys you
want show them that hey the re was right
deliver was right and that's what the
pro is
about to
show that was right agree to that not
about you know that will never be in the
Army and the Israeli govern doesn't even
want something in the Army there will be
a compromise if it's about money the
Argan tell every at the end of the day
people who don't take money from the
government will not have to go to the
Army that's what it's all about they
want to
get they that's what it's they don't
want you know
that you didn't listen to what he said
about the bris if you would be listening
to him they're going to try to
demoralize each and every K Jew s bels
po Square non difference how are they
going to try to demoralize
them by pulling you into the army I I
spoke
to from that his brother was in he said
the language there the atmosphere
everything it's like a a a secular dis
disc I mean even you have a she in the
morning maybe one or two people a
learning it's a it's very very bad for
to go there even in the
soal yeah I'd like to answer by the way
I met some people from n they've been
very proud and very successful n Go
ahead RAB shapir thef put out a magazine
issue of B you and the ID then you know
it's a monthly magazine they put out
they made a special series for the K uh
soldiers if you take a look in that
magazine it's yes the language to be bad
and so on and so forth but there's
something worse they they inculcate the
soldiers with the ideas that uh uh uh
nationalism is what's going to save the
Jewish people that the state of Israel
not the not the the state of Israel is
what makes us strong and a strong Army
is what a strong Israeli Army is what uh
brother sh you know where do you know
this from because have you been in the
Israeli Army have you been to the bases
okay I've been to the Bas and I can tell
you there's a lot of religious soldiers
in the bay there's a lot of learning
going on there there's a lot of that
doesn't diminish the accuracy no because
doesn't it proves what you're saying is
not correct I'm not saying I didn't say
nobody says now if a guy goes to the
Army he's guaranteed not to put on
killing again not at all I have three
guys who I know who I spoke to today
former Israeli Army members and they're
all from I'm not saying that
I'm saying the hash that they teach that
they inculcate people with in the
Israeli Army are against what these boys
have learned all their life where do you
get that from because I spoken to a lot
of the h isues and a lot of people in
the Army and they're going to tell you
something completely different that
they're living no no no I agree with
you you're tell me no the Israeli listen
Z the Israeli Army hash that they teach
match perfectly with the heas not with
the that's the problem I agree with you
and that's why you havei which is a
separate unit in the Army which I've met
some of them too no but even in that
separate unit again read their
magazine the Cobra has two guys and it
says answer the call of the flag read
the magazine and you'll see what they're
inculcating themselves with that people
it changes their their state of mind
change the state of mind to do what how
does it change the state of mind to do
what do not to to their values what what
guarantees the continued existence of
cloud you what role the state of Israel
in the IDE of play in in in Krone the
history of the Jewish people they're
being taught one thing and the army they
teach them something completely
different and what are they teaching
them in the army that that you have to
have a belief in an army that you have
to serve in the Army what are they
teaching
them they're teaching them that the
state of Israel a strong state of Israel
and a strong Israeli Army
is what guarantees the future existence
of the Jewish people and
that our strength our strength is what
uh wins Wars for us or I'll give you an
example of what they and even when they
speak about God give you an example of
what one of their generals have said it
said yes the Lord can even save can save
even a few but these few need strong
arms and legs and must use all their
might to climb a crawl to get their
target they right you need you have to
by the way even
if okay you need you need you need the
wherewith thought to do it you can't
just rely if you're going to fight an
enemy you have to K you have to Dove and
and shoot a gun the wherewith is not a
shst with God that's wrong that's not
you you could believe that I don't know
what I don't know what the're WR I
you're picking on your one you're
telling me about an email you're picking
one writer for a magazine that
represented twisting around you want
just give me a number how many
how many examples do you want of such
things where where where the leaders of
Israel have uh portrayed their own role
in Jewish history and their Army's role
in the survival of the Jewish people or
even their states role true or false
didn't Netanyahu say recently that he's
only going to make peace with the Arabs
what if they recognize that Israel is
the nation states of the Jewish people
that's right Israel so what's wrong with
that but but I'll tell you why because
Jews do not have a nation state we are a
religion not but we currently have a
state we currently have a
state a nation state no a nation state
is what makes the nation a nation
without Italy there will be no Italian
without France there'll be no French the
nation state means without Israel
there's no Jewish Nation that's not what
he said n that's not what Neto said
you're taking out of cond but I don't
want to no it's not true Israel is not
the nation state of the Jewish people
that's look Google it nation state
that's what
is has a respect for T and Judy in fact
I believe his son won Theon tanak if I'm
not mistaken but let's take that's part
of the problem they they they part of
the Zionist philosophy and again give me
any number and I'll give you any number
of examples of where this where they
have said this themselves they they
believe that in Gus the Jewish people um
became broken they became the goess Jew
they are bringing them back to age of
tanak where was a was a fighter was
Conan the Barbarian and SCH was T the
Apes and the rabbis in in in the days of
the talmud after the Baka Rebellion
which by the way they tell the kids that
celebrates the Baka Victory serious in
all the public schools in Israel and in
the army that after the Bak Victory Jud
Jewish people went out of history and
they became broken they became so Jewish
and they bring they now finally have a
state and we're bringing back Judaism or
the jewishness rather to where it was
where it belongs
T because without you know we're getting
Sid stepped and and and again you're
bringing up what is
the hold I me we can argue we can argue
about I don't you want to get into
theological discussion we'll get into
theological discussion but I want to
reasons of why we're against the draft
you're against the draft because you're
anti-israel you're anti the state you're
anti St of isra want to bring in to show
them that they're
like now here's an email question both
slma Rees were in the room concerning
the Matia B they not even shake hands
nor acknowledge each other in fact there
are several Court proceedings between
the two going on so this is a force it's
just a show and tell to attract people
to attend the rally this what an email
so I want to respond to the
email go ahead go ahead
sh yes there is different es and things
are being worked out we hope we hope
soon to be hearing some good news
because both sides are sitting together
and they're going to come out hopefully
with a solution and things is going to
be much better and better now
um is the one who brought together both
s rabbit on the one roof now whatever
they're doing are not doing
I'm not saying they shook hands or
didn't shake hands and I'm not saying
they're going to shake hands tomorrow
tomorrow we're going to see a couple of
100 dignitaries
allas from all congregations Yesa I mean
not all but from many many congregations
and yeshivas and they going to come out
in force to protest the plan to draft
our B into theas here's another the
question you said before about if the
draft does take place about what should
be the response here they want to know
if um would would you also hook up with
the folks in America that are anti-
divestment and what about her product
would that be boycotting Israel that's
an email question coming in as
well um I'm not ashamed to answer you I
don't know what is anti anti-d what is
that there's a group in the United
States of people who are that want to
the vest they want to buy any Israeli
products they want America and different
countries to devest from buying products
from the land of Israel so that's what
the going to be done by the rabbis going
to be this the the solution probably it
wouldn't probably wouldn't go together
with them it's going to be a separate a
separate band but it's up to the rabbis
and whatever they're going to tell us
we're going to listen and basically
speaking that you were you would be
boycotting you'd be looking if the rabis
say you can foresee being a boycott is
what you said before
correct okay we are taking your phone of
our final when we come back we're
looking at a rally an anti-israel rally
that's scheduled for later today our
guest is rabbi yako