Breaking Free: Moshe Jung on Mastering Your Addictions

as they say they they shove under the rug this is something that needs to be very respected because for those people it's literally you can light a cigarette up in front of someone that has a cigarette addiction and they're weeks and months into the process and you just by doing that in front of them ignorantly are they just to disv validate and like you don't care that they say that it's a trigger for them and you just Decon down the cause for them to fall back I felt like oh wow okay I'm not the only one right one of the steps in addiction is to be in the Nile um on before the recovery right just being in the addiction but I didn't even think about that mentions yeah correct awareness is 50% of the healing so the first step just suffer the problem is that anytime they choose to do something about it you know you're going to be helped versus was V feeling heard and supported and understood and [Music] loved welcome to another episode of positivity I'm very excited to have here one of my closest friends in my life and a good friend of the podcast a guest that has been here on the podcast many times and uh collectively reached uh uh over I think 10,000 views which of what I know of and that's a huge milestone that so many people love to listen and we actually made a challenge a few epod episodes ago that if enough people will ask for a for a update or followup um then we'll do another the episode so we still owe the people a episode on Law of Attraction cuz I I it was in Yiddish it was in Yiddish yeah so I think I believe the request was for Yiddish so yeah but yish English is that the audience do 90% of them speak English speak yish and that at the end of the day with the English speaking audience it's a lot but with the English speaking audience it's it goes It goes a lot further I think inish is like liit so I know the AI they know they know English so focus of flow so actually I always want to make an episode by the way of of of addictions because we live in a world I know for myself Through The Years growing up and I'm still growing up turning 27 now and I know that I personally struggled with certain addictions now most addictions and this is a international related Community they as they say they they shove under the rug Community but shame it's secretive and at a certain point they and created M pain bubble literally like a physical infection in the body after not taking care of your body for a while EP Ken is the is m m some of these addictions or things that we ignore at a certain point H oh my God like wow like for example like the smoke spent of man addiction ,000 cuz when the math adds up terrible heartburn V the VAP because because the VAP is obviously going into my lungs that can affect having heartburn and or just not a healthy heart and I start saying like wow something is wrong like this this right so with certain under addictions that you start noticing that uh Z was affecting let's say self-worth right let's say watching specific things I feel like what happens is it feels good in the moment it's very easy to brush it off the next day by doing the same thing discussing it with friends laughing about it you know or being engaged in it during the whole day but after a while sometimes it's weeks months or even years you start noticing it felt good at the time but it doesn't feel good right now and that goes for alcohol addiction May addicted um so you know we constantly talk between each other vegan addictions mention and both on social media through WhatsApp Instagram platforms people reach out to us help help who said the help 99% of the of the case simp so which I wish views they struggle with an addiction I just want to give them the information information we did something with our bodies that we had no idea is and we were just hoping by the way say perspec science based like the men just the men say St on addiction he says gambling alcohol other any under mean addiction right so me men I I I just I want to be here first to to validate so take over it's a friendly conversation represent question into it I hope I did it well I hope I I hope I set the ground for you but I'm excited to have you sitting near me MOSI it's always a pleas than you I'm excited to be here so millions of notes while you were saying I was think I was thinking of writing but for me like the the notes while I'm writing the note I miss the points that you're saying at the time that I'm writing okay right right I'm focused on what I do yeah it's either or um being that said I'm going to remember I'm going to try to remember yeah um so K before we start talking about addictions in general none of us addiction professionals right and none of us have ever dealt with an addiction and went through the process completely of getting out of the addiction okay okay being that said we need to make an awareness as for people that don't understand that have never experienced it that have never been exposed to someone that experienced it on a whole new level like that have never been close to someone so close that they have witnessed their whole journey yeah from the struggle from the healing from an addiction we can't have any judgments about it because in the Jud Jud m is really irrelevant it's so stupid it's really stupid to have a judgment because we can never understand it without experiencing it uh or at least the minimum at least being very close to someone and witnessing from very close the experience that someone has on on the addiction which is not even close to experiencing it but it's the closest you can see from from a point of view where you don't have it being that said there's also a very um important thing regarding when addictions and for a lot of people in the addiction recovery um there's in the addiction recovery process is the triggers says do the person has to remove the things that trigger him to go him or her to go back bring addiction for example add smoking is the idea is cigarettes at all I should ask kindly of my friends and people around me that smoke that please don't do it in front of me if you don't mind I can't tell anyone what to do but I can ask you a favor if you don't mind to please in front of me not to do it of property you're not allowed to smoke here and and if the case is that someone doesn't want to respect it not on my property I can walk I walk away right because I don't want to be uh triggered by it and triggered by it that's a lot of people take it as a misunderstanding like the concept and on an emotional level a bunch of under but now we're talking about triggers in addiction this is something that needs to be very respected because for those people it's literally you can light a cigarette up in front of someone that has a cigarette addiction and there are weeks and months into the process and you just by doing that in front of them ignorantly are they just to dis validate and like you don't care that they say that it's a trigger for them and you just deons down the cause for them to fall back to have a relapse or even to relapse already for a long time until they go and start again the process because once a person relapses they give up they're like a lot of times relapses apart from the recovery and a person deep into the recovery knows that they are going to relapse and it's going to be okay they're going to come they're going to be fine it's like it's a supported thing in the process but the point is yeah although you're going to tell me now cigarette and you fall back that's not my responsibility there actions fine I hear you I'm not going to tell you it's not yours but I'm just asking you from a point of you don't care wow right like please try to care about another human they you have your struggles I have mine and they have theirs and just it's it's a very important thing to be aware of yeah right add it came up for me like it importance like you can see a lot a lot of times on YouTube videos that talk about addictions they they write in the in the the letter they write um uh trigger trigger warning right right for those people that have the addiction sometimes talking about it like listening to a video about it is also not ideal okay right um Allah addictions was mentioned um there are so many right uh should it be alcohol should it be narcotics which is any kind of drugs um should it be um um um smoking and and vaping and and all that should it be watching specific things right um are the gambling the four specific do you know are you aware of how many addictions there are four or five specific and by the way in the watch and the specific things I think it's related to specific actions as well right right some people just chase after it one after the other right they're never satisfied never enough and and drugs is one that I didn't bring up I'm allot to interrupt I'm sorry that mention right but way too many people are addicted to Tylenol like I have many of my friends that tell me been addicted to Tylenol the way I'm saying it to validate by the way no way shape or form we're not Prof judging is wrong or right we're not talking about that valid like okay I was there by the way I couldn't fall asleep for a while without I was actually sick so I wasn't like just taking it out of the addiction but I was taking it out of a place and this was the only way I was able to fall asleep like this made me drowsy or made me feel relieved other is sure it was just in my mind right so I can just relate to those people right by the way I felt like oh wow so okay I'm not the only one yeah right so you touched earlier um Tak of the of the the shame and the secrecy yeah right that people carry it alone which is a very deep core of any addiction this is what people that are addicted to something do MH um but before we go into that I want to touch the fact that the addictions is as if someone is already aware that they have an addiction ah Z mentioned like it's against to what percent it is I don't know maybe it's 2% maybe it's 98% I don't know either way even if it's 2% it's a big percent yeah of people that are addicted to something and they don't even know it right because one of the steps in addiction is to be in the Nile one of the steps in addiction is to be in denial um and on before the recovery right just being and the addiction I didn't even think about that mentions in yeah correct and and and I'm going try to remember like specific details heartburns the the the the normal the stereotypical uh um response for someone in denial with that addiction would be like about um any qu right um by the way this is like wow okay actually stopped from one second to the other I don't think I was ever addicted to cigarettes because it was so easy for me to stop right um I can relate to addictions from other places yeah um the the men smoked Vaped yeah whatever the I'm not addicted I can stop at any time The heartburns Ting problem unhealthy habits of eating which by the way kind of an addiction related problem [Music] um wow smoke they saw is Gen so are you saying right so are you saying that step one is to acknowledg him addiction and now what okay beautiful and now what's the difference between a bad habit and addiction mention the bad habit from smoke and VAP and sometimes mention hook out or whatever you know like in do mention other from any add mention obv excessively or can't live without it basically compulsive yeah compulsive I just say the answer so bad habit and addiction Che Google the definition for an addiction right if you want that so the awareness is always this is what I keep on saying right healing awareness is 50% of the healing this is man coach yeah um uh uh awareness is always the first step and and and and because you're in denial about it that's why you cannot take it out because if you would acknowledge it that's when you can take it out the second is you acknowledging that you have garbage yeah you understand what I'm saying yeah right so in the or something exterminator you're not taking the right action exterminated and you have to snap out of your Deni in order so the first step gues on you know what [Music] the problem any time they choose to do something about it you know you're going to be helped versus unconscious level so this is how being in the N looks like in some way so obviously the first step is iic acknowledging specifically when it comes to addictions um the definition of addiction I just said like we can look it up if you want I just want I want to say my my mom of us is a social worker and has been years specialty is addiction right which of the podcast by the way speaking about addictions right she she has explained to me many times that an addiction is something that you either can't live without or or it like it it interrupts your day-to-day life Trier and he act he acts on it like because he had to go out to smoke or to watch or yeah right yeah that you say who like it it just does crazy things in your day that then disturb your day takes away your focus from whatever you were trying to do um bad habits smoked out of a bad but addicted right um which by the way it's good to have the awareness as addictive the nature to be more addictive than other than other right right we touch the Bas mention was do some kind of addiction towards overeating yeah I didn't know that considered an addiction addiction by the way just so you know that there's always unresolved issues to go back and heal like trauma specific add yeah the specific addiction usually also comes back to specific developed out of the specific pain to smoking so think about it a cigarette is you taking for five minutes deep breath which calms your nervous system which people don't understand it and the Z Minch that does this um is usually also not going to take V filters we desperately at have the cigarette yet he's quitting process he's not usually most people maybe do some five minute breathing deep breathing then I don't have to go out already and take the five minutes bre I'll do it later smoke anyway yeah this as maybe now would be the good idea to take those five five minute deep breath right but again got solving the addiction it's not even close to to solving the addiction yeah um but but any any addiction stressful plots um and and they're isolated they feel alone they they they they feel hopeless towards the Z that they're stressed about whatever emotional Cyclone they on and um and they they meet something that makes them feel good oh wow that releases so much dopamine and and spikes it so high yeah and Z brain just associate the way out is this right so the next time even if it's not an addic their brain just tells them yeah and they might be like I don't want to do it again experience expence flowing get but I know it's not good for my body it's not good it could be addictive I don't want to do it and the Brain that part that just begs for it and at some point he's like okay right awareness we'll get to the step two I'm just curious in your opinion why do you think why is it that the men are tend to have most of these addictions because we know that clearly gamblers smokers more than women gamblers smokers or even Watchers like we know that these are 80% 90% men so o and triggers then why is itpp go by maybe so so so in in in under in addictions V like drugs I'm not so confident that this is the case even if it is I wouldn't know the answer yeah but I'm not regarding drugs I'm not so confident cor number one between the people that I know it's equal [Music] between occasion addicted also equal amount of men and like festivals um this is towards drugs towards towards alcohol I would say same maybe maybe aloh maybe maybe it's do a difference I don't know what the difference would be but again is different as a dude High I'm not saying man I'm just saying like I don't know what I do know about the watching part what you asked this is something that I do know mention um the the videos the M the men's desires and Fantasies and designed designed videos vide correct but they probably started this because they knew that the get Target right but the point I get I get what you're saying but the gun idea designed but the point is that know you that know that you're a target of it most of the time [Music] a positive rush I get the feeling maybe shame like whatever is wrong and I don't want to do it again yeah Al they never got addicted to it for whatever reason the point is females objects oh wow and and yeah is is designed for the man's fantasy specifically for the unhealthy man right for the man who is self-centered in theal he needs to satisfy his ego right while hurt and he never healed right okay but so they are fascinating that that these things come out of an emotional place I mean something that I knew but it gets clearer and that's of this conversation for me and for the rest of people like any addiction will usually come back to something distraction whatever it is whether of nicotine whether Al Whatever It Is any addiction is an escape okay so yeah you want to say something smok at the later times before I quit and the idea and I used to tell it to people like Cal and the filter yeah um I also used to smoke the okay so at some point in the later stages right before quitting you know what I'm not talking about stopping continue kind of out of for the cigarette cigarette yeah continue cigarettes right the compulsive Behavior again uncomfortable situation right aggravated about something lost cigarette sometimes of people yeah it tells a whole story but sometimes like specifically smoked a bunch yeah it's like the cig coming out of nowhere right thought it's just awareness that's the anybody addicted to any smoked bad behaviors and if it's a repeated thing ask while the IDE EAS right is cigarettes then it's going to take me to cigarettes it's not going to be like oh got B Legos yeah because I never thought about building Legos for a long time so which you know personally I know a fascinating guy and so he's for him it's like the millennial is the Oldtimer you know and he like yeah perspective obviously but the the the newcomer whatever like system mention system that do wrong things and the system and is regarding watching these kind of things in addicted to act on when you watch like okay when you get to that place literally ask yourself the qu what was what happened before that why why is that happening and to me that was a huge like Awakening it was a huge like that I didn't feel either good enough or loved by my own self as side escape and like um so he actually helped me tremendously specific like just to notice because I feel in the months afterwards you know I I still if if I were to watch question so and sometimes they just say Okay so that was just uh it's a big awareness for the because they can help any men do like we're not telling anybody to quit anything just notice and perhaps we're not telling them to notice as well we're just talking about a good idea it's a good idea exactly if if they want right um by the way this is one of the steps in the recovery process is to notice in order so I can eliminate so I can deal withal so for examp was is addicted to cocaine sad cocaine developed throughout the years whatever blah blah blah point is got got anyway right before he takes that hit he asks himself what was the last thing that before thegg sadness about XY and Z sadness about denominator a pattern yeah sadness a particular thing not good enough right I want to feel desirable you wanted to feel desirable but but work around it because this is not how it initially looks like what's happening I didn't feel good enough what really happened for me inside meaning say a lot of people will watch this a lot of people are not used to do the work [Music] so right what does this tell me about me does it take me back to childhood specific message every time this happened right right which comes back to not being good enough right away yeah for a while exactly oh thank you yeah oh this mind yeah um for a while my therapist been addicted to overthinking 12ep process and I was considering it by the way um had the most intense uh anxiety and was even I think even a little bit depressed at that time um but it brushed over I learned how to co better and and this is probably why it helped you the idea addicted recovery program right he knows instead of in recovery he wants to stop it he wants to live a different life maybe calls it a better life right I would call it a better life maybe some people won't I don't think so um my smoking story okay yeah okay we're trying on so so in the process is having a therapist a counselor or something a coach whatever something to really go in deep in the story about his sadness why why it takes him in such a low place that he needs to escape it in the moment meaning say needs to be instant isni Coke which from their point of view I get it it's not that we that's why I said we can't judge it we cannot understand someone that has the addiction so so quick question healing addiction is always going down to the emotional part of it 100% healing the addiction is the action of the surface level correct overing St overing right either yeah wow so so being done overthinking and therapist and you said it brushed off but at the same time which he didn't mention when these days at the same time until it brushed off you did a lot of therapy around it so the trigger the trigger of what took you in there meaning within yourself right right you meanwhile worked on feeling safe within yourself so the anxiety feel feels right that's the idea great realization okay my challenge not to not watch it correct and not act on it and we're over a month in I can say for me my my life change like day and night because my confidence level is so much better relationship just My overall confidence so I'm proud to say that specifically but the overall um and you saying this is way more worth to me than a lot of other people saying this for a long time yeah obviously accept people will say some people will say right and and but the fact is the fact is that any point challenge a challenge because I want to right experience like to a whole new level like literally like blessings and I believe them but but the words I used was challenge with a positive attitude % of the time that I've never heard from someone 100% of the time I've never heard from someone Cheng attitude 90 days0 days Z zero I've spoken to a lot of people struggles okay especially as a coach you deal close ass friends assignment the clients okay so that was that challenge alcohol was was something for me I used to drink alcohol I used to use alcohol to numb myself by the way day trade and stocks and stuff like that and would come home and drink alcol so uh that wasn't for a long time I was never I was never addicted I feel to the watch I wasn't very addicted so I can't understand other people but I can I could talk about the positive change that I did and that I made and the effect that it had regarding smoking in Yesa growing up smok because I felt like attention I couldn't stand that smoking is not gonna make it for me and for me I was yeah and right and for me I was like okay I can I can push it off till 20 right so on my 20th birthday okay my guy smoking I right away smoking so for a while I would smoke SM I was okay with it with this but it wasn't interesting for me so I said Vapes Vapes you care seven years ago Vapes tanks the flavors and yeah and flavor caola flavor Cherry BM Apple bomb and I was hooked on it it was a tremendous good feel yeah and je was slim and Sleek exactly it was so cool and and everything so I was very addicted smoked which is the equivalent of a pack or two packs a day maybe so I was highly highly addicted um and then I also kind of uh quit cold turkey okay take 72 hours anywh smoking elic smoking the cigar smoking the Vapes correct so just qu gas St gas St and then from there I never Vaped again soap and I can truly understand the feeling but it's truly unhealthy it was it was just a terrible addiction yeah oh wow okay okay into the je mango with strawberry flavor in the gas station doing Lakewood because the government cracked down on so officially basically FL H mango flavor strawberry flavor and the government say mentions on quitt Mango strawberry what's going on you're attracting kids with this right and this is still a problem going on you have 12year old or younger they say the government like do like something legal a legal step real smoking a lot did no I think in the beginning they really did electric is best the actual smoke correct that's what about to say that oh my God like electric chemical smoke regular cigarette it's very interesting people should understand yeah people should understand alcohol shopping the AL because shopping can be an addiction shopping obviously watching these kind of vide especially smoking and alcohol like these things are made for some and they promote this and they they push it out movies and reality it's so unhealthy excessively no [Music] NE whatever Lally yeah by the way for the liver y okay this is this is just a side effect yeah um but the right yeah so and according to a lot of doctors which is opinion over the but according to a lot of doctors of the weekend obviously say health and days okay I agree on that but it's very unhealthy alcohol for the simple reason that it changes the way we think so why mess with that like I was drugs that changes though yeah yeah joke joke of the day yeah um the Old Williamsburg battle has a bridge yeah the joke I was gonna ask was the joke say it as the reason for old V Bridge Picture Bridge of the bottle is [Laughter] because yeah besides that I don't I don't understand how people like it they they I never when I was because we used to go and they walked around literally like drink cup the next day hang like literally I was just drinking it out of the bottle and I didn't feel anything I to hangover yeah but uh it was yeah alcohol was it sounded like it was fun but do movies promoting this like the watching in right is just really to paint on a picture yeah same yeah exactly retail therapy which means that shopping is therapy retail therapy because it actually makes you feel good theory that guy shopping is feeling better of course gu shopping because they want you to to spend money so in whole pharmaceutical industry got some pills they make a lot of money they make a lot of money and unfortunately yeah money runs conversation for itself a mention right so question for you if you want to go in there you recently healed from cancer yeah at which point treatment I'm very curious the foods by the way unhealthy Foods is it's a business cereals sugary candies that you put into body in by the way soap chemicals the of like an addiction idea Diet Coke Health Foods don't do that Diet Coke unbelievable okay so yeah your treatments yeah um I'm just assuming I don't know um treatment I was thinking about it I do believe the body the capability naturally heal the [Music] concept right I believe that anything was conly capabilities something that he doesn't want us to do he feeds us life while we do it we have to be grateful for that as well right sometimes yeah but it's a fact and at the same time and the capabilities to fix right yeah some things are irreversible but on that scenario of an IR reversing is do is do an opportunity to grow on it above some bits but can somehow exactly um being that said so naturally can produce cancer yeah strongly believ as can naturally heal yeah heal yeah right correct which is much more extreme they just don't go to theor Fever stomach virus right right a constipation a diarrhea so many things right so many things but at the same time that in order for me to do it I need to understand something very deep which is as in my unconscious decisions physically that I need to change and do the opposite in order to heal and I felt that it's a time sensitive thing diagnosed I don't want to wait Andy yet if it's if it's if that I need to do every day five hours of breathing wow right which by the way this is just a joke I don't think that would be the idea maybe it would I don't know maybe 10 hours a day of meditation I have no idea the point is research this also probably would have worked but you I didn't want to experiment with my own cancer theat so I will tell you that I will tell you that Tom ban a millionaire at that point I was thinking about it unlimited funds I would try to reach out and make an appointment and sit down and zance like naturally I would give him that chance we would make a time frame you're going to see some results then I would make that time frame of three months and after 3 months I would go and and check again what's up right um but I do believe as as about it so I decided to go with the way my subconscious correct although is a painful and a lot of people by the way when they die from cancer it's not so much from the cancer than from what the chemo does to them wow right and and confident is a part from a journey that I need to go through in order to be able to be the person that I am today so I can help others um so I felt very good about it I felt like yeah I got this whatever go through you know like okay you answered my question a vape as a vape which is don't anyway anyway the design V is color whatever based on the flavor the tip is see through plastic see through yeah and this went on for days at least days second I second like what's happening the insides whatever whatever it is wow and no wonder begin with sad depress how do you feel he's like whatever why and woke up yeah so was happy people are don't appreciate it um I've been like that at some point yeah yeah so so so was like I kept on smoking cigarettes cigarettes is different right um so meaning as B is the the lungs whatever officially is different just this is just smoke which by the way not to minimize the bad Z yeah but they Inhale Smoke which smoke probably oil or whatever it was and they smoke is like so I don't know if it creates like some in the I don't know about that that was just just my imagination but anyway the concept cigarettes um okay so nice conversation we were an hour in acknowledging an addiction the is noticing what comes up before the addiction before you act on the addiction what comes up noticing also a little bit what the story is smoker why do I want it did did I do it because all my friends do it did I do it because my father does it did I do it because I think it's cool and it's going to supposed to T hand right correct um to bring this full circle and to kind of I don't know wrap it up o mcken shine is there is there more o more steps or other steps that you can share not as a professional but as a healing addiction yeah in healing addiction acknowledging the addiction and noticing you have to reach out step for a lot of people because because it's the nature of Step by the way n so one of the first steps okay like there is no there is no starting your recovery process without going for help okay I never knew that so Z the difference between bad habit kind of and addiction so talking about right now about addiction okay um and the nature of anything that it's that's an addiction is that it isolates the person the person carries around a lot of shame maybe unconsciously maybe they're not even aware of it and they isolate they they make it it's secretive and they tell themselves that if someone would to know really deeply the truth as deep as I know the truth about me I would be judged I would not be accepted there is no help for me available there is no there is no forgiveness for me and I would not be accepted in any kind of way I would not fit in I would lose my family my friends Community uh respect as a human I would not so I have to be secretive about it and that's wrong it's not true it's totally not true it's an actual lie yeah because judgment and and and and feeling and behavior response whatever it is but mention the right people will make you feel understood validated and support you which is the most important Z Recovery Addiction in addiction recovery is the is the support this is what comes in for help is do a steps so do the step and actually G and heal the emotions that we touched based on so in the 12 step program Al Anonymous whatevers ANM um the idea is group of people was kind of rela to each other wow okay the Temptation and the impulse is right A lot of people would think yeah okay yeah the addict will know that this is literally how they feel sometimes yeah right um so so the going for help includes the emotional level it includes the the the the group was like was latency was obviously was healing Journey recovery they were just encourage me to continue on the Act Right which is going to be very bad for my recovery right um uh uh to say the least you know um and and obviously Zan like this is a therapist this is a coun coach Mentor I don't care whoever you feel you can trust you you you whoever whoever listens to this um is to have someone that can support you you need to have someone that is available physically yeah at all times so so so group and Hees to call you know nice to see you again see you next week and by friend right because they understand how it works that they're available impulse at 3:00 a.m. I don't feel guilty of calling them because I know that they're there to help me and they understand that this is how it works and I'm supposed to call if not I'm going to have the relapse I need to be able to call and talk about it this is people under underr the power about it how's it going to help me try it and we're not going to hang up the phone until you tell me that you're good to go okay and I do it I do it amount of 2 A.M 3: a.m. 4 a.m. you so but but I am available for that I do that right and the mention was for a living other other other they they are available for that and this is a very important so in regards of the addiction process um recovery from addiction it's very important and it's one of the first steps otherwise go reaching out for the help you're can to have the you're going to have the right guidance what is the next step what you need to do the this is this is the first step you need to do the awareness is obviously always the first step but the next step the first step of action yeah would be to reach out to someone that is a professional that knows what they're doing and and reach out for the help on that regarding bad habits oh yeah regarding bad habits you don't need to go to a group and check in hi I'm oi and I I'm an alcohol addict alcoholic whatever but um um but I would totally recommend you healing right right while bad habits gets developed and pl brain associate brain associate bad habit was get some kind of Joy see I release a negative experience without the negative experience if I heal it I wouldn't need I wouldn't have the need to go there right right without when we're not talking about an Impulse this is just bad habits yeah so for us okay theep asking for help and talking about it which is I think the strongest form of acknowledgement by the way action probably but is what's the step after asking for help is action yeah asking for help is action asking for help is one of the hardest actions right absolutely correct yeah so is there another thing that somebody should because I think that whoever listened until now um not even knowing or wanting to help them I think we kind of came full circle to a place where okay 12 steps and I don't think is discussing right now not that it's not Val I think it helped a tremendous amount of people this is the most for addiction recovery for any addiction right so but it includes what I mentioned it includes the the acknowledging everything it includes the reaching out for help and being in a support system that's available for you you that you feel that you can relate to that you trust um uh but but again this says do so many details and at some point it also gets personalized based on the addiction of the person and based on the level of the addiction and what the triggers are right once you go for the help for the right help you go to you have your counselor your therapist your coach whatever your group with people that know what they're doing when it comes to these type of of things then you're set up because they'll help you on your personalized Journey so but might be totally irrelevant to someone else correct and I and I might not mention something that is very relevant to someone else but because for me it's irrelevant or I'm not aware of it and is there a difference between in your opinion quitting quitting cold turkey and going off slow um some people it works that way for some people it works that way okay again once you start with the right counseling with the right Mentor with the right guidance and support then you do whatever works for you again with that support you'll see right right while they Tom Mentor coach whatever therapist knows what really knows what they're doing they will not let you fool yourself so addiction and you're really not ready to let go of it they'll call you out on your BS W versus actually drugs the withdrawals could be dangerous wow right like the body needs [Music] itness personally I think I don't remember witnessing it but I've I've encountered in the idea a few times watching videos listening to mention some about it um turkey process physically physically like shaked and feeling pain pain literally miserable physically mindset they cleansing but I know it's a miserable process yeah okay I if the most empowering alcoholic addict alcohol because I in the 12 step process to become better and that's why obviously get and he became very Millions for mention but yet so this is just to valid give it meaning yeah to valid I do struggles right and so I'm just here to validate addiction like I said you know what it was worth it because it's very powerful therapy and as you said reach out for help I'm sorry that that happened to you and unfortunately a lot of people don't reach out a big percentage of people don't reach out to help because they feel like the help either messed them up or wasn't the right help or it wasn't uh you know somebody betrayed them and I want to just I want to validate that unfortunately as mention with and MAV Z careful the main thing is don't stop at that don't let that bad person stop you now from having that life that you want like go for after go after what you deserve and and gu help because at the end of the day know that is available yeah no as help is available at the end of the day it's going to change you um mosh I think you shared really tremendous beautiful things than you so did you thank you and going into the conversation in terms of health mention addictions I know that a lot of people reached out to me recently telling me about things they're going through and you know conversation withc hopefully because a and that's why I was very careful with the language that we used the words that we mentioned conversation is Avail yeah so I wanted to say um but uh and and act on it this addiction MH specifically in the communi MH which people are not even aware of how bad it is yeah just do it yeah sometimes other a lot of the times but whatever will we're not going to go into it right now but research the the negative the negative consequences and results ums mhm I'll put it that way yeah it's it's fascinating and give a but it's it's true andake is under the rug yeah right because then a person feels like okay this is something that I can't talk about to anyone right strugg anyway which basically I'm doomed there is no way back for me so whatever yeah and feel like okay you know what yeah so just m that research I I'm not saying you you should challenge yourself and stop whatever which I would encourage you and support I'm available but um other under mention available for if you want someone else whatever like but that's for sure like research yeah okay that's it yeah that's it um yes I'm I'm just going to go ahead and say again say do mention was feeling heard and supported and understood and loved and in ension passionate about it says podcast and just feel but feelings and senstive topic any any kind of feeling anxiety in depression views like menc neurosurge in community isain English consistently meaning workshops mentioned healing is it's a it's a big one um the podcast from the the videos L com yeah yeah so men is positive of podcast astion positive or negative yeah exactly but mentions on positive feeling towards their podcast the yeah the May mention towards podcast mention soal media management for any 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