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welcome to tonight's
event tonight we're going to talk about
OCD obsessive compulsive disorder it's a
disease that affects many of us in the
community but many of us don't know we
have it and if we do sometimes we're
embarrassed and
ashamed the common idea behind OCD that
we all think of when we think of OCD is
that someone's either extra organized or
that they're afraid of germs but there
are many many other forms of OCD that
played people um that we're all unaware
of so forms like
intrusive fears of irrational fears of
all kinds intrusive thoughts of harming
yourself you don't want to harm yourself
but you have thoughts that keep coming
of harming yourself intrusive thoughts
of harming others Gay Thoughts uh
obsessing over checking things religious
OCD obsessing over social
interactions these thoughts just come
and you cannot get them
out it's a disease that causes a
tremendous tremendous amount of pain and
suffering a disease that lingers and
grows if not
treated now many doctors and therapists
think think that they could treat the
disease but they fail because they're
not experts and specialists in this
disease you're going to hear that
consistently throughout the night now I
asked a few people to speak tonight that
wouldn't because they were embarrassed
and who can blame
them that's why we put on tonight's
event tonight's event is really set up
for three reasons first is to remove the
stigma around around OCD the second is
to educate you so that you understand
what the symptoms are so you can spot
the symptoms and the third is to provide
you a place to turn for
help now people can go months and years
without knowing that they have OCD or be
wrongly or being wrongly
diagnosed and as as I said before you're
going to hear that consistently with
this disease it's very very important
that you find the right doctor that
specializes in this
disease now many of my friends came to
me with different symptoms they didn't
know they had OCD and I told them I said
you may have OCD they said n no I don't
have OCD I said okay maybe you do and
things got worse and worse and worse
until they finally spoke to the doctor
and were changed for the
better right now we're not an
organization we're just here to help
and tonight you're going to hear some
incredible stories from people who have
a lot of courage to speak so I first
like to welcome Victor DW my good friend
to say a few
words hey thank you so much Ally first
off I just want to give a big shout out
to everyone I do comedy sometimes and I
did a comedy sketch and I shaved uh I
didn't shave but I had put on a bald cap
lot of people were very worried that I
took off my great head of hair I
actually still have hair so if you're
watching this and you're one of those
people I know OCD is important so is my
hair so I just wanted to set the record
straight I still have
hair uh I have some notes Here going to
look at it and then direct to the
camera first off I want to thank Ally
for putting this uh all together Ally
you're just like my age we're in our 30s
the fact that you're doing this you're a
real leader of uh people so thank you so
much Al I get to the thing
um I want to thank God Hashem I made
that very seriously
for helping me get the help that I got
because obsessive compulsive disorder
gone
unchecked can and probably will ruin
your life it really it can if if
enjoying life is being present then
suffering from obsessive compulsive
disorder completely strips you of being
being able to be present in any real way
it's a terrible terrible terrible
disorder and um I'll going to tell you a
little bit about my experience and if
anyone can relate to me um in any way uh
seek help uh also you can get in touch
with me if you want to talk to me at any
time I'll you figure out how to get in
touch with me but that's uh the purpose
of what I'm going just going over
tonight is to tell you about my
experience I'll let Al figure out the
rest okay so um and Aly call me out on
time and whatnot all right how much time
do I have right now you're good I'm good
okay so I'm I'm 38 growing up I was
always a little particular uh you know
nothing
really crazy but things had to be a
certain way I found that I liked things
in certain positions but uh you know I I
guess it was a little uh you know
neurotic people would say uh it uh it
wasn't anything crazy uh you know my
friends would notice you know if the
remote moves a little there you know a
little over there it would have to move
back but nothing debilitating I mean it
was just all right that it is what it is
um so I never really thought uh anything
of it when I was around 17 uh I noticed
that um on my math
tests uh I would have to go back and
reread the question
so I would answer a question and I was
good at math I would answer the question
and then I would feel the desire to go
back and reread it like as if I wasn't
sure if I filled out the question forget
if I did it right but like I wouldn't
know if I if I did it's even hard to
explain cuz it's so cloudy but I would
have to go back and do it again um and
what would normally take me like finish
a test in 20 minutes I was suddenly I I
couldn't even finish the test in the
completion of the period and um that
started to happen a lot with writing uh
very interesting um and then there are
some other things but let's focus on
that for a second um so I went to my
mother and um I said Ma I I think
there's something wrong uh you know I
didn't get into it cuz you know it's a
little embarrassing it's weird I said
can I see a therapist she said fine no
problem uh whatever it cost she got me a
great therapist Community recommended
and I sit down with a guy I said I think
I have OCD I'm doing this over and over
again the guy says no you don't have it
start meditating okay about a year goes
by and now it's getting worse suddenly
um and I don't think anything of it
suddenly
um rereading everything I have to read
things a certain number of times if I
think certain thoughts they need to be
gone over a certain number of times in
my head uh sub vocalized which means you
know when you you use your own voice in
in your head uh in a certain pattern in
a certain way uh walking in a certain
way uh in my room as I think it and if I
step in the wrong way I have to start
all over again suddenly I'm I'm like
completely trapped many many many hours
uh of many days and people wouldn't know
it uh but you know when I go out and I
socialize I just can't stop thinking
about getting back to check something uh
and it it's quite often that a year goes
by a year later goes by I go back to my
mother ma can I go back to the therapist
she says no problem go back to the
therapist I tell the guy again and this
wasn't some random guy beautiful office
uh recommended from people uh sit down
with the guy he says I'm telling you Vic
you just have some anxiety you don't
have OCD maybe have some obsessive
compuls of Tendencies to just try and
meditate try and relax so all right and
I'm 17 18 I believe the guy um let's
fast forward I get to high I get to
college now it really gets completely
out of control I'm not going to go into
all the different things but let's just
say it really took over my life now if
you're friends with me and you've gone
out with me yes we've had fun but I
really wasn't present a lot of those
times um I was constantly thinking about
getting back to check or if you were
with me for 1 or 2 hours that was like
it every other hour of the day I was
basically ritualizing I'll give you some
examples um well actually since we're uh
cut for time I'll tell you the worst of
it it it basically got to the point
where I I couldn't
read yeah okay I couldn't read um
because I would just read the sentence
over and over again I wasn't sure if I
comprehended it the right way um walking
I would have to you know if I walked in
a certain pattern or in a certain way I
would feel off um I couldn't write an
email to my uh professors even if I had
to um because I would re I would get
worried that maybe I wrote something
insensitive like let's say um I had a
friend who was
African-American I'm a diverse
individual uh I will think oh maybe I
use the n word or something and I would
reread it over and over and over again
even though your brain understands that
okay it's obvious that you didn't do
this but the doctor will talk about how
the reasoning behind it but you can
shake the anxiety um at its worst um a
lot of it had to do for whatever re
reason with reading um so texts were
were uh obviously a big part of
communication at its worst I would stay
home
and it could be anyone's text message uh
and I would reread the a single line in
a text message over and over and over
again for8 hours which if you told me to
do that that's like you couldn't even
you couldn't pay me to do that I could
use the money but you couldn't even pay
me to do that um
imagine from 12:00 at night to 8:00 in
the morning reading the same line over
and over again no back bathro break
because the bathroom would break up the
the ritual uh which the doctor will talk
more about what that is so it's just
it's crazy um but you know you're not
crazy and so you struggle um it's it's
uh again the doctor will talk more about
it that's not what I'm here for um uh
and then it wouldn't just be that it
would be thinking things so I couldn't
even think the same way I would have to
read a text message just certain way my
thoughts now started to be like this and
I'm not I know this sounds crazy my
people who know me is like they know
that I'm not particularly anxious what I
mean by that is things that would should
typically make you nervous don't make me
nervous I'm pretty confident in in my
life and those areas so it's not any one
particular type of thought but I would
anything any type of thought I would
have to think it in a certain way so if
I was thinking about going to lunch with
Ally I would would play that in my mind
and I would have to do it in a certain
way and there's no solving it you never
do it in the right way as the doctor
will probably tell you in some way so
you just do it all the time um at one
point it got so bad that at its worst I
just I I I broke down crying and I just
tore my I I remember I was wearing a
white v-neck which was stylish at the
time and um and uh I just tore it open
like I was in morning and I just got
down on my knees in my bedroom and I
just said please God help me I didn't
know what was going on I knew I wasn't
crazy but I couldn't stop doing these I
just I couldn't stop doing it it comes
to a point where I'm in college and I'm
graduating and um I don't know what to
do because now I have to go out in the
real world get a job have a life and I
call my aunt Susan who's uh probably
watching this and she's brilliant woman
who's deals she does psychology stuff
anyway um I'm sure she's like yeah
that's my career psychology stuff that's
you know but anyway um yeah that's what
you do so I called my aunt Susan 2
minutes I'm going to try and make it
quick I called my aunt Susan and I said
I think I have OCD give me give me three
okay say I think I have
OCD and she said all right you know well
let's let's see what we could do oh no
she said all right well I'll I'll get
you the help whatever it is because
that's it it was just I couldn't
function I couldn't leave my apartment
in Boston I called my aunt and she
connected me with someone in Harvard
pretty sure she helped pay for it uh
very expensive topof thee line Harbor
doctor in Cambridge magnificent office
overlooking the green and I'm seeing her
three times a week for about 8 weeks
that's how intensive my issue was
um I don't know if I was really getting
better I don't think I was but whatever
you're in therapy you know she said I
have
OCD um I don't really think I was
getting better anyway it comes time to
graduate and I have to go back to New
York and that doctor refers me to a new
doctor and the first thing he says to me
uh when he gets on the phone is forget
everything she told you just show up
Thursday and uh in about 6 months I was
fine about six months I was fine uh
about a year I was really fine now to
this day I still struggle with it to
this day to this very moment uh but I
know what I'm doing I know the tools and
I know how to be on top of it and I'm
perfectly fine and I can speak to and I
can read even though I'm not reading
imine I'm still suffering that's why I
didn't read but no
um so um I'm going to conclude this with
saying a few things um is that right
Ally just a couple tips
so I'm fine now thank God this doctor
saved my life so um I'm going to give a
few tips to people out there okay um the
first is uh treat it like it's a
business uh treat your health like it's
some sort of a business what do I mean
by that uh my aunt and I when we got
back I don't know I think it was her
idea but when we got back to the Third
Doctor um we said we're going to be
we're going to partner on this uh when
you get there ask him the
prognosis which is to say what are the
odds you know is it excellent can you
live an excellent life is it mediocre
like you're going to struggle your whole
life how quickly do you think you can be
able to get better and what are the
treatment how often do you need to come
in and then once we get that we're going
to see if we like it and if we like it
we're going to hold him accountable and
if it's not we're going to find another
person uh and we treated it very very
very seriously and I had a partner in it
so thank God I had her and thank God
that therapist worked out but if you're
going to get help treat it very
seriously if you see a therapist and the
person sucks dump the guy or girl get
someone else there's no shame in it a
lot of people are horrible it is what it
is um and um yeah the last thing I'll
say uh two more things one is I just
will say for those out there that are
you know worried uh what comes after
recovery it really is a blessing for me
that I had to deal with this because I'm
so so on top of my mental health now and
I'm so uh I can't even tell you I've
read maybe 50 60 70 non-fiction books
all about the mind and uh I'm very on
top of it um the third thing is I'll
wrap up with this if someone I mean we
as humans can barely put together an
Ikea table it's almost impossible it's
very difficult the brain is the most
mysterious organ on the planet to think
that you can solve comp problems on your
own is very dumb it's very dumb if you
have an
issue whether it's obsessive compulsive
disord or not or whether you have a name
for it or you don't there are people out
there whose jobs it is like Dr Schmidt
who's going to speak who devoted their
entire life to fixing you to to to to
fixing you so be smart and get help
speak to someone like that and if
they're not good keep moving don't
settle uh you can you can get better and
uh that's it that's I have more to say
so if you want to you can get in touch
with me but thank you for listening I
hope I help someone all right thank you
so much thanks all right thank you thank
you
Victor beautiful um I'd like to invite
Sarah Harari to please speak thank you
Sarah thank
you hi everyone I'm nervous
no okay hi everyone I'm so grateful to
be sitting here today as I honestly
never thought I would be sharing with
you a story of healing OCD became so
prominent in my life I never imagined
that I would make it out on the other
side and fight it I hope that by sharing
my story I can connect with even just
one person who might be feeling the same
way I did for so long many people use
the term OCD lightly they casually say
in passing that they are OCD with
cleaning or OCD with organizing because
they strive for and appreciate order and
cleanliness but real estd the actual
dating disease the rumination of
thoughts the painful disorder does not
get mentioned in passing those who
suffer from OCD often live in secret
distress they don't talk about it they
don't acknowledge it they can't control
it and they are ashamed by it when left
untreated it can take away a person's
self-esteem
self- love and
selfworth this is the OCD that I had
mine was easily masked and not spoken of
my story began when I was a student I
had a strong drive to do well coupled
with an intense fear of failure every
test announcement sent me into a spiral
I'd obsess over how I was going to best
study and best manage my time to call me
disciplined and diligent was an
understatement I was compelled to study
hours at a time and I often set my alarm
clock well Before Sunrise to review my
notes once more I chose schoolwork over
friends every weekend on the outside I
looked like a dedicated hardworking
straight A student but on the inside I
was drowning in
anxiety waves of panic would crash over
me and Knots would twist in my stomach
no matter how much I studied and
reviewed my mind always doubted whether
I had done
enough this was my first encounter with
the dting disease I thought school was
the end of it finally I could breathe
but then I became a parent and the fears
of failure came rushing back I had to be
responsible for the safety and health of
my children and I was so afraid of
making a
mistake I threw myself into parenting
with the same intensity as my school
work I read every book attended every
class and childproof my home in ways
most people wouldn't even think of the
stomach aches came back as I feared that
something I did didn't do could lead to
harm the pain doubt and anxiety clouded
my mind I couldn't be fully present with
my friends nor have a healthy balance of
life and my worries didn't stop with me
I'd hear about someone else's pain a
tragedy an accident and illness and I
would feel their pain I internalized it
their stories became mine they would
feed my already anxious mind if it
happened to them I thought why couldn't
it happen to me I told told myself that
my hypervigilance was keeping my family
safe I didn't know it at the time but
the doubting disease was growing
stronger it questioned my daily tasks
convincing me that I could be at fault I
became consumed by intrus by intrusive
thoughts of what if what if I left my
stove top on after cooking what if I
forgot to lock one of my doors what if I
left the window open and an intruder
came in everything would be all my
fault and then my mind convinced me that
I had a reason to feel this way I was
robbed twice as a child and had a close
call with a fire when I was newly
married my basement windows were broken
into and our sukka once burned to the
ground from an electrical
fire my mind had proofed that disasters
have happened before and that surely
they can happen again sometimes there
were nights where I would check the
doors windows and appliances over and
over lasting for hours at a time I would
get into bed try to rest these intrusive
thoughts would show up I would get back
out of bed and it would happened
sometimes over 20 times 30 times so
hours used to go by the DS were like a
runaway train that never stop for the
most part it was an invisible battle a
silent mental battle that others
couldn't see but over time my fears and
worries began to govern my life I
avoided building the Suka because of the
possibility of another fire I avoided
travel because it took me way out of my
comfort zone I hesitated to host
Gatherings by the pool and Beach because
no amount of lifeguards felt safe enough
for the Myriad of ominous
possibilities I switched LED lights for
Shabad and holiday candles because they
felt safer just the sight of a lit
candle in someone's home would make me
uneasy on the few occasions that I
shared what I was going through I was
met with advice or rather criticism
saying that I worry too much for no
reason I should be grateful for what I
have and think positive although they
meant well they didn't understand that
it wasn't in my control I willed myself
to be normal but couldn't my self-esteem
began to chip away it crumbled no amount
of logic could silence the fear inside
me that's when I knew I had to find help
I couldn't keep living this way with a
strong support group alongside me I
turned to
therapy for the first time in my life I
had a name for what I was experiencing
obsessive compulsive disorder at first I
resisted the diagnosis saying that I
didn't compulsively wash my hands or
need things in perfect order but I soon
learned that OCD has many forms
including the overwhelming fear of
uncertainty and worst case
scenarios my mind demanded absolute
certainty that I was safe and
responsible but life is full of
uncertainty no matter how many times I
checked or reviewed the doubt never
fully went away it always came back and
I never felt
safe now I understood why OCD was so
mentally
exhausting through Expos exposure and
response prevention therapy or Erp I was
told that I would slowly get better
exposures involve facing my fears and
sitting with the discomfort instead of
making it go away my list of exposures
included leaving appliances plugged in
overnight lighting candles again
checking doors only once it took time
and practice and each exposure initially
felt
unbearable but over time I learned how
to breathe through the anxiety and
ground myself in the present with each
achieved exposure the doubts would
decrease and the power of OCD would
diminish my brain slowly learned that
the thoughts were just thoughts they
were not facts or proofs of imminent
danger most importantly I began to trust
my own
intuition today my journey is still
unfolding sometimes the fear still arise
but I no longer let them control me I
share my story with you because I know
I'm not alone so many people suffer in
silence believing their worries are just
part of who they are but they don't have
to healing is possible hope is possible
no matter how long you've lived in fear
and anxiety it's never too late to take
the first step toward change thank
you beautiful
job
wow
crazy wow Sarah that was really uh that
was special thank you for your for
sharing all
that so so my uh my journey with OCD
started a number of years
ago um it actually started at a safe
event I was listening to someone speak
and I was sitting in one of the first
rows of the event and I all of a sudden
felt that I needed to go to the restroom
but I really couldn't get up because if
I got up it would you know the person
was speaking it just wouldn't work so I
tried to sit and not go but as the
speech went on and on I just became
obsessed with the idea that I needed to
go but I couldn't go and it just it just
I started sweating and this entire
Obsession around I have to go to the
bathroom now it just it just took over
my body and from that moment on for the
next few months years I was plagued with
intrusive thoughts of all kinds
thoughts of irrational fears like a fire
or something else um thoughts that I was
going to get into a car accident when I
was driving my
car thoughts of being stuck in an
elevator by myself or with people and I
wouldn't be able to get out and find the
restroom thoughts that I might hurt
myself now I didn't want to hurt myself
but the thoughts come in and then you
can't get rid of
them thoughts that my children would get
hurt um
and these thoughts just kept coming and
coming and I couldn't get them out it
got so bad that at some point I would
hear about someone else having an issue
and I would take on that issue and all
of a sudden I would think I have that
issue but I didn't but I heard it in a
movie and all of a sudden I associate
with
it as I fought the thought
they just kept growing and
growing I started to avoid
things I stopped driving my car and I
would just take an Uber to
work I every event and situation I would
assess is there a restroom readily
available can I handle this and many
things I just wouldn't go
to everywhere I went I always knew where
the nearest restroom was before I walked
into the room
every basement that I went
into I always checked for the nearest
exit in case there was a
fire I wouldn't hold a knife I would cut
steak with a
fork
Sho parties
meetings the tennis court everywhere I
went these thoughts were in my mind
it took over my life I was completely
obsessed it was it was
debilitating I was doing some crazy
things like if I had a meeting I went to
the restroom before I left to go to the
meeting when I got to the person's floor
I went to the restroom right before the
meeting I went to the restroom during
the meeting I would schedule in my mind
when I'm going to the
restroom it was very very very
painful I really didn't tell anyone
about it I didn't tell my wife the only
person I told was a therapist I was
seeing at the time and I love him but he
told me everything's going to be fine
none of these things are going to
happen and one morning I wasn't I wasn't
getting better it was just I was crying
on my way to work it was just it was it
was
horrendous and one morning I was in bed
and I'm reading this article I don't
know
how the article came on my phone but it
was an article about like OCD and
symptoms and I'm like oh my God I
started associating with all those
symptoms I said oh my God I I I think I
have
OCD so I called my friend Victor who
thank you Victor for Having the courage
to even tell me you had OCD you know I
didn't have OCD yet but you told me you
had the courage so I called you I said
vic I think I have
OCD he's like I have the right doctor
for you and he connected me with Dr
Andrew Schmidt who you'll hear from in a
few moments and I spoke to the doctor
and he told me one of the first things
he told me is that one of the worst
things to tell someone with OCD is that
you're going to be fine right because
that's something called
reassurance and what someone what OCD
needs is they need to learn to live with
uncertainty I remember the first
conversation I had with them I was in a
bathroom in Florida crying to him that I
didn't know what to do and that I just
needed
help so I started down that road with
him and he Tau me so
much he told me that you cannot run from
Fear because it only
grows we started to do exposures even
actually before the exposures because
the exposures are so hard exposures are
when you expose yourself to the fear he
had me right
down the fear and what would happen if
those fears happened even that was very
difficult and then we started do
exposures I would need to drive in my
car sounds simple but for me it was
difficult I would need to go to a
meeting without going to the
restroom I would need to hold a knife to
my wrist in an controlled environment
with him
there I would need to go on a balcony
which at the time was very very
difficult for me
I would need to take a packed elevator
of people like that one when you go to
the Port Authority with thousand people
I had to take that on purpose I wasn't
even going to forget a car and I'm
taking that because when you go in there
when you are exposing yourself the fear
that thought is taking over your body
you can't
breathe but if you don't then you're
living with it
forever I needed to change my mentality
from one a fear of the thoughts to
accepting welcoming and wanting the
thoughts right the they're just thoughts
our mind thinks of
things and I can't choose the thoughts
we can't choose our thoughts but we can
choose how we respond to our thoughts
and I used to tell my
mind bring it on baby do your
worst we know that we can't control God
and that nothing in this life is a
given but I tried to get to a point
where I had faith that not that the
fears wouldn't happen but that even if
they did I'd figure it
out little by little I started to crawl
out of this hole of fear that I was
living in and really thank you doctor
for helping me get there thank you
Hashem for helping me through that
still today there's times where I still
think I'm thinking irrationally or
inappropriately just last week uh I have
a fear that my children will choke from
eating food so I don't let my 5-year-old
daughter eat without somebody watching
her but just last week she was walking
around the house holding cereal I said
no honey you're going to finish eating
the cereal here and when you're done you
could go and play with your friends and
then I turned to my friend I said you
know is this is this rational or not
they said you know what it really
depends on what she's eating cereal she
could eat on her own I said okay you
know what honey you go eat eat on your
own ironically this morning my wife came
down and she saw my daughter eating a
bagel on the on the table and she goes
wow Daddy's letting Eat
Alone yeah I heard I heard I was
another but I uh I'm so grateful that I
had this disease
because because because I had it I
learned to spot it and
unfortunately I've had a bunch of
different friends that come to me with
varying symptoms and I'm
like you probably have OCD and if I
didn't have that disease I I wouldn't
been able to help them cuz I would have
no idea that it was
OCD and not only that but OCD gives you
tools for Life tools that you could use
in every area of your life right tools
like not running from Fear irrational
fears running toward them and
acceptance much of this speech I rode on
a train many many years ago during the
thick of the disease and I committed
then that when I got out of it which God
willing I would think Hashem I did that
I would put on an event like this so
that no one else would need to suffer
like this and that they knew that they
could get the help they
wanted thank Hashem for bringing me to
this point I'd like to invite Dr Andrew
to speak and thank you again do
job hello hello hello it is truly such
an honor to be here I'm just humbled by
the way everybody has shared their
thoughts truly an honor to be here for
that reason um my name is Dr Andrew
Schmidt or just Andrew um I've been
treating obsessive compulsive disorder
for well over 15 years and I've been a
psychotherapist for more than 20 years
what you heard about tonight were three
different people's experiences with
obsessive compulsive and one of the
reasons why I really wanted to be here
was because it's such a misunderstood
issue people don't understand what it is
or as you've heard in the stories that
were told tonight it gets misdiagnosed
and um wrong treatment plans are
suggested that end up doing more harm
than good so I'm going to bore everybody
for just a minute and talk about what is
OBS obsessive compulsive disorder well
it's made up of obsessions which we
describe as intrusive thoughts that uh
people find uh that cause fear anxiety
or
distress it's also made up of
compulsions that's where people respond
to the obsessions it's the thing they do
in response to it these can be
repetitive acts like washing your hands
or checking a door or cleaning a or
doing some kind of cleaning um or they
can be internal acts like thinking
certain thoughts to make sure
everything's okay it's that connection
between the obsession comes in and
somebody feels like they need to respond
to it that makes the syndrome what it is
so to better explain it people are often
they describe to
me um just dealing with these intrusive
thoughts that can sometimes last hours
and hours per day they cause fear
anxiety distress and of course some
amounts of impairment now intrusive
thoughts are normal everybody has them
so what makes OCD OCD well it's when it
starts to get in the way of life when it
starts to be so distressing for you so
the thought comes in and you can't
control it you feel like it's taking
over your life and it's causing you so
much fear if you feel like you have to
do something about it it causes you
impairment you spend a lot of time on it
that's when you know it's a problem and
that's when it meets what we call
clinical diagnosis of obsessive
compulsive
disorder um what you heard about tonight
were many different types of OCD and I
think it's really helpful to educate
people on the different types you heard
um some contamination concerns that's
more the classic concern concern is
about uh germs and cleanliness so people
being very concerned with things being
clean and uh to make sure that they
don't get sick or their loved ones don't
get sick compulsions that you see that
go along with that are things like
excessive cleaning um or excessive
decontaminating and trying to make sure
everything is uh clean and illness free
so these are the folks that you might
see who are like lysoling their phone
wiping down door knobs doing all sorts
of things to protect themselves from
illness and protect their loved ones
what we heard from a number of folks who
spoke tonight was something called har
OCD harmd are the intrusive thoughts
that someone might cause harm to
themselves or Worse harm to their loved
ones or somebody else or that harm will
be done to them or to their loved ones
so the thought is the idea is they need
to do things to keep themselves safe or
keep their family safe it's awful to
hear some of the stories that have been
told I think of one of my very first
cases in treating obsessive compulsive
disorder it was a new mom who gave birth
um to their child who was then later
plagued by these intrusive thoughts that
they were going to hurt the child these
thoughts got so much in the way that the
mom could not bond with their child they
were so worried they were going to do
something bad to harm their child in
order to control those thoughts they
would engage in all sorts of avoid
avoidance they would hold the baby but
not go near window and eventually and
because they were fearful that they were
going to throw their baby out the window
it was that bad for them they eventually
got to the place as the um sort of
symptoms increased that they stopped
touching the baby and stopped avoiding
uh going and started avoiding going near
the baby pretty terrible especially
during new uh somebody who's newly BN
born stops and gets in the way of the
ability for the mom to bond with the
baby unfortunately she told these
symptoms to a social worker at a local
Clinic the social worker was untrained
and didn't understand what this was they
misinterpreted it they thought that what
they were they were describing was an
actual intent to hurt their baby
completely different misunderstanding
the disorder they called CPS Child
Protective Services which could have
been awful and terrible luckily there
was a very astute psychologist involved
who was able to say what wo hang on a
minute this isn't somebody who actually
wants to hurt their baby they're
avoiding going near their baby they're
not going near windows they're taking
actions to make sure that their baby
doesn't get hurt and that's what makes
it different from the mom who act or
from the person who actually intends
harm they're doing all sorts of things
to make sure that they prevent the harm
and that very astute psychologist was
able to say hang on a minute this isn't
harm this is obsessive compulsive
disorder
that person luckily got referred to me
and I was able to explain to them what
obsessive compulsive disorder was we
designed a really good treatment plan
what you heard described tonight was
something called exposure and response
prevention where the mom had to slowly
face the thing that she fears and
eventually hold the baby near the window
facing the fear that she might do
something terrible and learning that oh
my goodness she can hold the baby and
she might not do something terrible was
just as likely people refer to it
tonight is something called the doubting
disease and that's absolutely true it's
never being certain never being sure
that everything is okay the examples you
heard tonight they included um harm they
included uh Perfection and maybe uh uh
needing to do things really well there
was also a need for Symmetry and
exactness so getting things just right
and the doubt was what if it's not just
right what if it's wrong what if I read
that incorrectly so the response to that
is is going back to reread it going back
to it to like check it to make sure that
I did it uh harm was around avoidance
another patient I work with who dealt
with harm OCD um he'd be cooking with
his wife and he got obsessed with this
idea that during the cooking he might do
something to hurt his wife so he'd be
cutting vegetables and the intrusive
thought would be oh my goodness what if
I stab my wife with this knife they
didn't want to do it it was the exact
opposite they were so concerned that
they were having that thought they
started taking precautions to make sure
that he didn't hurt his wife instead of
cutting the vegetables he'd ask his wife
to do the cutting because he couldn't
trust himself so this is the thing about
obsessive compulsive disorder is that it
gets so misunderstood but I would trust
people with OCD with all sorts of things
because they are the ones taking such
precautions to make sure that they do
not cause on to make sure that they
don't hurt others to make sure that they
do it right or do it well and it's
unfortunate that it's so misunderstood
um because that stops people from
getting the treatment that they need I
hope that's a bit of an understanding
about what obsessive compulsive disorder
is other symptoms you want to talk about
like the gay one or the religious one
thank you yes super helpful um being
reminded about the different subtypes
and it' be helpful to talk about that so
we've mentioned some of them and the
classic subtypes as I said earlier is
the contamination concerns that's the
intrusive thought and concerns about
illness and things being dirty or
contaminated and the compulsions that
follow are the cleaning that's the
classic one the next one as we've been
talking about tonight you heard many
examples very common one as well as
about harm it's that themselves will be
harmed or their loved ones will be
harmed which I referred to earlier the
compulsions are doing things to make
sure that everybody is safe then there's
sexuality of OCD this one is a much
tougher one for people to talk about
it's considered more of the taboo forms
because in involves something that's so
difficult to talk about sexual OCD is
where people start to have intrusive
thoughts of um of a sexual nature that
they find inappropriate or unacceptable
so uh an example of that is somebody I
worked with a man who was married
happily married with Children who was
having intrusive thoughts about their
sexual identity they started to become
obsessed with the idea that they might
be gay and they started wondering oh my
gosh am I gay so they would be with
their wife who they were very much in
loved with and started thinking oh my
God wait what if I'm gay what if I'm
with the wrong partner what if she's not
the right one for me the compulsions
that followed were trying to find that
out trying to figure out if they were
gay or not um so they would do all sorts
of testing they'd be monitoring their
arousal they'd be watching certain
material in order to find out if they
were gay and meanwhile it was these
intrusive thoughts that they might be
gay and the response to it was trying to
figure it out that was really causing
the issue got in the way of their
marriage it got in the way of of of his
ability to bond with his wife and it was
only on seeking treatment that he was
able to make peace with these thoughts
without letting them be a barrier to the
life that he had set up for himself now
that doesn't mean some people might have
thoughts about being gay and they might
very well indeed be gay in this case the
person was having the thoughts but it
was incongruent with the way that they
actually see themselves and in congruent
with the way that they have been living
their life other forms of OCD are
something that we call religious OCD and
the concern here is usually about making
sure you follow your religion well
enough making sure you do your religion
well enough being sort of like the best
Jew that you can be or the best uh
follower of your faith things that you
might see with that is like making sure
you say your prayers just right saying
prayers excessively to make sure that
they are pleasing their God or being
more in touch with their god um other
concerns that you see with religious
ocds are like following the Like rules
of being koser just so making sure that
they don't break any of those rules or
following Shabbat in a very prescribed
and prescriptive way it can be really
debilitating because it actually moves
people away from what they value and
it's more about satisfying the wants or
the needs of obsessive compulsive
disorder satisfying the needs of OCD
rather than doing something that brings
them closer to God so these these are
some of the uh Common forms of OCD that
we hear about you heard about the need
for Symmetry and exactness uh that
really covers a lot of them if you
identify with any of this if you're not
sure if you have obsessive compulsive
disorder if you're having intrusive
thoughts that you find difficult to get
out of your mind it's important to reach
out to somebody and try to seek help uh
the right diagnosis as you're sort of
heard tonight A misdiagnosis can be very
unfortunate and uh can really cause a
lot of harm in people's life but reach
out and ask for help because help is
available again one of the reasons why I
wanted to be here was because obsessive
compulsive disorder is such a
misunderstood disorder and disease and
to be able to educate people about this
and to help spread the word that what
OCD is and more importantly there is
treatment for it you can find relief for
it you're not alone and that is why I
truly wanted to be here tonight to help
uh help people understand that so thank
you so much for can I say can I ask oh
can we can you say one thing yeah I had
someone messag me on my way here they
said oh no it's for it's for you I ask
you someone uh someone messaged me on
the way here and they said uh Vic I
don't know about tuning in I've had OCD
for 10 years and um I've been seeing a
doctor and um it's still terrible and
it's as good as I'm going to get if
there's someone out there and maybe
they've seeing someone you know maybe
what do you we say to those people you
know so unfortunate thank you for
letting me know that not everybody
responds to something called you heard
the treatment was exposure and response
prevention it doesn't work for everybody
but it works for so many people and I
can ask this a lot of uh often when
people call hey Doc how long until this
until I find some relief how long will
it take for this to work and I can can't
tell anybody how long it is for any one
person but I can tell what the data show
and on average it's anywhere from 17 to
25 sessions of doing exposure and
response prevention so if you've been
seeing a provider for years and years
and years and your OCD hasn't improved
well you should reconsider that talk
with them about exposure and response
prevention 17 to 25 sessions is the
standard so I hope that answers what
you're looking for yeah switch therapist
or yes sop right possibly that talk
about medication yes there are two line
uh two front line approaches as I had
mentioned exposure and response
prevention that you heard a lot about
tonight um and it's it's truly uh as
long as I've been a therapist it's one
of my favorite treatments to do because
it's so darn effective to be able to say
we have a treatment that works in 17 to
25 sessions is remarkable people spend
years on the couch talking about this
and getting nowhere because they're not
doing the correct treatment that's many
times what I and it's all natural yeah
it's all natural I hear this often from
people like hey I've been talking about
this for 10 years doing all these other
kinds of treatments nothing's working
well that's because they're not doing
the right treatment seek Erb thank you
this man is an angel an angel from
Hashem thank you so much for having me
here and a pleasure to be here thank you
the one the one type of OC didn't talk
about which I know some people have is
the social OCD which is around you know
going to an apart party or wedding and
and just being obsessed did I say the
right thing did I did I say something
inappropriate to this person uh and
obsessing over the social aspects of
things um so we we put we put this event
together to really educate you so you
could understand so you could spot these
symptoms um for you for your family
member for a friend for a child whoever
it is we just want you to understand and
to give you a place to turn to for help
so by the end of the night tonight on
our website free from OCD event.com you
will have the numbers of the speakers
here tonight as well as Simka is an
organization in the community that helps
with mental health you're welcome to
call them they can help you get a doctor
that takes Insurance um or you can call
any one of us or the doctor directly his
numberers there all calls are
confidential and we are just here to
help so I want to thank all the speakers
for speaking tonight and for the courage
and um thank you all for listening
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