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Welcome back to another episode of the
takes podcast. My name is Ty Krauss.
We're sitting today with Rabbi Biny
Hamman. How are you? How are you?
Amazing.
>> Thank you for having me.
>> My pleasure. CEO of BP Print Group. You
service the entire country.
>> Yep.
>> What industries do you plus? Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Where?
>> Canada a lot. Mexico.
>> Really?
>> Is you ship things also? Of course.
>> Australia.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. Okay.
um CEO of a printing company. What do
you do? Promotional signs. Um what else?
>> Well, we're mainly printing, but we
start from the marketing. I have a whole
marketing team, writing, editing, and
LinkedIn.
>> Strategy, LinkedIn,
>> strategy, and all the branding. And then
we have a whole team of designers. We
have 12 designers on board.
>> Hashem and then we do the printing, we
have promos, we have a weekly, we have
wide format division, we have uh you
name it.
>> How many employees do you have?
>> 100m.
Everybody here or or Israel or remote?
>> We're right there.
>> And I know how to
>> Wow, that's amazing. So, I met you at a
trade show
>> and I've been seeing your content on
LinkedIn and
very I saw there was Hashem was baked
into those the content Toyota were
celebrating a CM said I want to meet
this person. Then I went to a
conference. I met you there. BP had a
booth. We met that was a while back and
then I texted you like I don't know who
this is but I'm very excited to be here
with you today. Um it's an honor to be
here. Honor. Thank you. I'm humbled.
>> Humbled.
>> I don't do this. This is my first
podcast ever. So if I'm nervous, you'll
know why. I'm usually a shy guy. I still
am.
>> Okay.
>> And um I'm not looking to be in the
lights and the
>> okay
>> big picture, but you got to do what you
got to do.
>> I think a lot of people are going to
learn a lot from your background.
>> I hope so. your experience.
[music]
>> So you're the CEO of BP Pin Group. Uh
decent sized business over 100
employees. Can I know how to
>> How do you get started?
>> Started Hashem.
>> Okay. If you need to write it in a book,
what would you write?
>> If you wrote a book, how would you write
it down? Hashem, that's it. This in one
word, the whole book. You know,
if you think back, if I think back my
whole life, it's Hashem's just been with
me day in day out, and I try to live
with him.
>> You don't look like an entrepreneur.
>> No, I'm not.
>> So, you're a CEO of a business.
>> I'm just the man who stands there.
Hashem does everything,
>> right?
>> Actually, I started that way because
it's a crazy story, but I I started as
BP graphics. I learned graphics. My
father taught me graphics.
>> What was his background? He's electrical
engineer,
>> but he learn he taught you graphics.
>> He's very artistic and he used to play
around with a lot of uh different types
of uh graphic toys and things like that
and I learned them
>> and I picked up my graphic design skills
from him.
>> Okay.
>> And
when I got married, he actually bought
me a computer with a program and he
says, "Okay, see if you can make a
pronounc with it as well."
>> Doing graphics.
>> Yeah. I was still in Kyle but on the
side do something. I started doing
kubas, personalized kubas where you can
actually have your name and everything
all printed out nicely.
>> Well, you needed to learn how to do
sales, finding clients
>> that Hashem does.
>> Yes. I wasn't pay I was still so I hung
up a sign in the coffee room. Anybody
needs an invitation or a um an ad, I'll
be here for you. And I started making
ads and I started doing different
things. And then people asked me, can
you print it for me? I'm like, oo, I
don't know. So, I found a print shop
down the block. I mean, not too far
here. You grew up here?
>> I grew up in Muny. I
>> Okay. Learned here in Lakewood and then
I got married and moved here with my
wife and
I found this print shop, Joe Spano, a
nice Italian, sounds a Jewish guy.
>> I made a deal with him and we started
working together. But he never printed
anything on time or it was like
impossible. There's this like cartoon,
famous cartoon with three people
laughing their heads off and saying you
want it when that was like made for
print shops. So for sure for him and it
was like and those days print shops had
a terrible reputation. Yeah. Everything
was late and there was no such thing as
having time and I didn't know anything.
I'm a yucky and you know you say it's
going to ready Tuesday, it's got to be
ready Tuesday.
>> Commitment is a commitment
>> and this is it. And I used to literally
sit on his head to make sure it got
done. And when I saw how he made the
plates and then I saw how he put it on
the press and I saw how he ran it and I
actually learned how to run a press over
there. So it got to the point that I was
making the plates for him just to make
it faster so he can go and and you were
working in his factory.
>> I was working in his place
>> and at one point he said to me, "Sorry,
Ben, you do it.
>> I actually got my hands dirty and I make
the plates, put it on the press, and I
was running it. I I
>> did you charge the customers extra for
doing that extraordinary?
>> No, I couldn't charge extra but I
couldn't I couldn't. No, I paid him a
full price. I was using
>> even though you were doing you were
doing the work.
>> It wasn't a good recipe for success. But
uh this is where I was and and I
remember I was running a job. It was
actually for Shalom Tour Centers. I was
doing a big job of envelopes for them.
And envelopes are harder to run. They
don't stack very nicely and they fall
over and and so on and so forth. But I
was running and I was got it down pat
and I thought it would be much harder
but it was going and and I was very
proud of myself and I remember finishing
the next box and putting it in and I
said to myself, "Oh wow, you you did so
well. You're going to you're doing
really well." And then I counted, "Oh, I
only did 2,000. I have to get to
20,000." And I'm like, and that was only
one of the two envelopes. I'm like, "Oh
my goodness, Hashem, help me." And
literally just then someone walked into
the door,
Gabby Walner was his name, an Israeli,
and he says, "I'm a pressman. I'm
wondering if you have any uh work."
>> He walked into his factory.
>> His factory
>> and he asked you if if
>> he asked him, he he asked him. I wasn't
the owner, right?
>> Do you have any work?
>> And Joe, of course, says, "No, I got it
all under control. No problem. I got
everything." And I looked at Joe and I
said, "Joe, do you mind if I hire him to
get this done?" He says, "No, I don't
care. Go ahead." So I hired I said, "You
want a job here? I got still another
40,000, 18,000, 18,000, another 20,000.
I got a lot of you want to run them for
me."
>> Wow.
>> He said, "Yeah, no problem." Rolls up
his sleeves
>> and um and he runs it. And once he's
running it, I said to Joe, "Do you mind
if I give him more work?" I told Gabby,
"Come back tomorrow. I got some more
work for you. And at a certain point,
Joe realiz he was just working for me in
this guy's shop. I was paying the guy
was pay like the whole thing didn't make
sense. And he says to me, "Do you want
to buy my shop?" He realized he's not
doing anything.
>> How much later was this?
>> No, it was all within I don't know. It
happened over a few years. No, no, no.
Few weeks. Yeah, a few weeks
>> from the first order that you started
working with.
>> No, I've been working with with Joe for
must have been okay couple months. It
was uh
>> under a year
>> under you started sending him work doing
it him and then you started doing the
press.
>> Yeah.
>> And um
>> he asked you to buy a shop.
>> He want to buy a shop. So I said, you
know, good idea. If I was I'm running
the place and I'm paying the guys like I
might as well just buy it. And I told my
father that I'm going to buy the shop.
And
>> what did he want for it?
>> We didn't even discuss any money at that
point.
>> I was so new. I was so I don't know.
>> How old were you? I was 21, 22.
>> I love it. Okay.
>> And I told my father, I think I'm gonna
buy the shop. And my father says, okay,
what are you buying? I said, you mean
the shop? He says to me, okay, what does
that mean? What are you getting?
>> Right.
>> Are you getting presses? I said, "Yeah,
I'm going to get his presses." I He
says, "What are they worth?" I said,
"Really? Nothing. They're really bad."
Um, he said, "Okay, so what are you
buying?" I said, "The shop." He says,
"What did the shop mean? His clients?" I
said, 'Yeah, I guess so. He says, '
Okay, who are his clients?' I said, 'Me.
He, okay, so you're buying yourself.
What are you doing? And you know, my
father's always been there for me and he
still is there for me and so much to
learn from him. And I'm like, yeah, what
am I buying? What am I doing over here?
Right?
>> I have the pressman. I have the thing. I
asked the pressman, I asked this guy,
Gabby, I said, listen, if I open my own
shop, will you come and join me?
>> He says, hey, I'm working for you. Of
course, I'm going to come join you.
Let's do this. I took him with me. I
didn't know much about anything. We went
to a guy in Pearl River near Muny and he
sells um
>> presses.
>> He sells all kind of
and we bought a press. We bought a
cutter. We bought a folder. We bought
whatever we needed.
>> But that's a big
>> They weren't so expensive that day. A
small press. It's maybe dick. It's not
so bad. The folder wasn't uh wasn't the
high-tech thing that we have today.
>> $20,000.
>> Yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
>> Overall. And I got a lease on a on a
building downtown in Lakewood. I was
petrified. Like here I am.
>> You've only doing graphics and printing
for how long?
>> 6 months. I'm I'm hardly married. I'm
like like this is a
>> wow.
>> This is like crazy. And I remember I
went to the guy who he had empty empty
stores, Mars Silver, an altered from the
Holocaust. Nice guy. I said, "Marius,
can I rent the store from you?"
It was $700 and to me that was like a
million dollars. Like what am I going to
do? And he says, "Sure." I said, "But
Mars, if this doesn't work after six
months, can I just leave and we we will
figure it out or whatever?" He says,
"Sure, no problem. Whatever you need."
And I went in there only Hashem was
guiding me and and making this work. But
he sent me my pressman. Started with
this guy. This guy knew presses. We had
the press. We started me and him. I've
got a secretary who was by that time I
already had someone working in my
basement doing type setting with me. I
trained somebody so she came along with
me and we started the three of us and
that was 36 years ago. Leonara
>> LinkedIn says 37
>> 37 was 1990
>> 80 oh second
>> here
>> June of 1990
>> um January 1989
>> that's
>> but that's it could be you put in the
year without the month so it
automatically defaults but it's not an
important thing
that's a long time
and now there's no looking back
>> what's it been like since you were in
that small up and the one thing I've
done straight through went with Hashem
and the more I brought Hashem into my
life and more kadoo I brought into the
business that just what spiraled the
business and that's what made it grow.
Nothing with me.
>> Give us an example of you brought Hashem
into the business.
>> How do you bring Hashem into the
business? So we started Minion in BP
and things just took off. It was like
from one day to the next all of a sudden
there's more things happening just
because he had
is the hardest
for a person and actually he's brought
down that you got the biggest scar for
it. It's like
>> getting ripped out of work
>> right getting ripped out of work and
literally the works so hard to make sure
that you're not going to die from and
when you see that you almost know hey
there's got to be something good over
here. If he's working that hard there's
got to be something. My staff knew when
I like was up to the top, they say,
"Okay, Ben, time to dra like like you
got to cut everything out and ma just
calms the day down. It just does just
changes everything." No, we have a RV
now. We'll talk about that also.
>> Wild stuff.
>> But he he taught us something.
We had we made to see him. You said you
sort of see him on the thing we learned
also during the day. So we had a but by
see him he spoke and he said something
very very interesting. Rabaka he learned
he went away he he learned for 12 years
he came home when he came came home he
heard his wife saying
>> now it's in the back
>> for another 12 years he can he can go
for another 12 years he turned around
and went back to he was home he was
right there why didn't just walk in say
hello and then go out like why didn't he
do it and we know the answer because in
RNA 12 + 12 is not equals 24 years bifus
is straight going straight that has a
power like nothing else has he says If
we come to work, we have to work. We
have a the kala from other. You have to
go to work, right? It's a kala and you
have to do it. You work 8 to 8 hours a
day.
>> If you work for 4 hours and you dra and
have a little share, then another four
hours. Four plus four is not equals to
the eight of the clal that we have to
have. You break the day up. It's just
it's it's a beautiful way of looking at
it.
>> Wow.
>> So yeah. So that was one thing that was
very good. We had a a story I said over
many times where at one point the place
where we dive in Mina was I was doing
construction over there.
>> When did you start the min the first
place or the first
>> 1996 in when I when I bought my building
where I am right now I didn't have room
in the other place but
so we d
we're having in the place and I'm doing
construction over there. So I asked my
tenant, "Do you mind if we move the
mining for one month to you until I
finish and then we'll come back?" So
sure, no problem. He went to his
conference room and we had the mining
over there for a whole month. At the end
of the month, I said, "Okay, coming
Monday, we're moving back there." He
says, "Can we not move back?" I'm like,
"No, we're moving back." Why are you
saying not? He says, "This month was the
best month I ever had in business." And
I said to him, "You want to know
something? BP had a bad month this
month. We're going back to BP. It's it's
>> make tumyanum now. tuning on.
>> Yeah,
>> it's crazy. You I'm gonna I'm gonna add
something to that. Somebody approached
me a couple years ago and I'm very
involved in my show. I do the kids
domining programs. He said, "If I were
to give you something to give to the
kids
>> um by miss if they all come around the
beimma and they answer loud mine, I'll
I'll buy you the snacks, you give it to
them, you just run this thing." He said,
"No problem." And every couple weeks he
texts me, "Hey, did you run out of
snacks?" Or during the summertime it's
like these massive jumboises.
So we've been doing that for a couple
years. He needs an a yes.
One week about a year ago, two years
ago, he texted me, "Hey, do you need
more?"
So I said, "No, I'm good because I
wasn't here one week. So I'll use the
one that I was going to use as I'm going
to use it the next week." He's like, "I
had a very very big backfall in whatever
I I need help with." Yeah. try to make
sure someone does it. It was I was I was
floored. One week someone didn't run the
program and he had a tremendous like you
know thing that held him back. I was
that blew my mind. Um
so you you moved where was that place?
>> That was on Clifton Avenue
>> and right away you bought your own
place.
>> No, I bought one I rented one place then
I rented one next to it and next to it
until I went and bought it. So I started
in 1990
June and by 1996 I bought the building.
>> You're not printing anymore today. You
have you have a team of 100 people. Can
I know how
>> I don't go in the press room anymore?
>> Yeah.
>> No.
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>> What's it like learning how to hire the
right people? Learning how to delegate,
create departments,
um,
learning how to structure and scale a
business. What was that process like for
you?
>> Yes, it's very hard.
>> Creating new positions, delegating,
hiring the right people.
You got to ding. You got to keep doing.
And that's really really what it's all
about. And it's not a joke. You really
see the difference. To me, doing
is so personal and I see so much of the
effects of the way you ded and what
happens to in in the rest of your day.
You d good good, you have a good day.
You don't d good good, you have a bad
day. For a while I was following the
that I guess you're not supposed to
follow. But if a person comes late to sh
and I did say
h don't tell my grandparents but um
if you come late to so you do
a and
with the and then you go back and so on
and so I always did everything but it
wasn't necessarily in order. And that
went on for a bit. And one day I
remember I came to the office. We were
doing a journal for a local mid that was
having a dinner. And in those days it
was like major production doing a
journal. Today we can do it in our
sleep. And with digital and everything
it just comes all codated. But in those
days each page needed it own plate.
Plate went onto the press. You printed
it. You printed the second side with
another plate and then you spread them
out where you had a collater and most of
the times it was done by hand collator
can only do 10 or 15 sheets at a time
anyway and then you had to take all
those groups and put them together and
then in those days they didn't have a
glue binder so I couldn't even bind it
into things. So I sent it out to the
binder and they bound it for me and it
comes back fresh ready to go right
before the dinner.
>> Wow.
>> I pick up one of the journals and I
start skimming through it and I'm like
uhoh there's a problem over here. You
know, journals have the front pages,
full pages, half pages,
>> quarters,
>> thirds, quarters,
>> eighs, greetings. Well, this one had the
front pages or some of them. And then
all of a sudden there was greetings,
eight
>> backwards.
>> So when they put it together, they like
one section was like that whole section
was putting upside down. So when they
bound it, it was actually the front of
it that they bound it, but the inside
was all messed up.
>> It was two hours before the dinner.
There was absolutely zero that I can do.
I mean, I didn't have a binding myself,
so I couldn't even bind it to start
printing again. It's hours collating. I
mean, you're talking this is a
production that we spent days on. In
those days, it was real production.
[sighs] What do you do over here?
>> You
help me. I still looked at this journal.
It was the same thing. I don't know what
to do.
>> What did you do?
>> I I I'm embarrassed to say, but I put
the journal back in. I closed the box
and I used extra tape and I taped it
down. And when the client came, I
personally picked up that box and I put
in his trunk and I closed the trunk and
I wished him on his dinner and I just
went back to Davening. It was like like
I was sweating. I was like, "Help me,
Hashem."
>> Were you nervous they were going to call
you?
>> I was nervous everything. I was like
>> petrified.
>> I didn't know what to do. And
>> what ended up happening?
>> The next day he came back and he said,
"You know, I noticed some of the
journals, maybe some of the pages were
were not not in order." I said, "Oh,
yeah. can't imagine. I can't believe
that that happened and I right away gave
him back money and I did whatever I had
to do and he was happy. Everybody was
happy. Uh but I I wasn't happy and I
said to myself, Hashem, how did this
happen? What's going on? And I did a
little over here and I said to myself,
hello Mr.
You give Hashem a backwards journal
every day when you d you
and then you go back to like this is
what you do daily.
And that was the last day. That was the
last day I said not doing this. Come on
and start from the beginning and go to
the end.
If I don't come on time to shul my jobs
are late. They don't they're not ready
on time. If I don't if I leave early, I
don't anymore. I learned my lesson. I
learned the hard way, right?
>> But I learned my ding my day. Hashem,
it's all one thing. And and he does
everything. So there it I have to do
this right and there's not whether I
like it or not. There's nothing you you
come if if I leave early the finishing
department there'll be something going
wrong over there. If I'm not D cavana
the quality will not be the same. So
you're talking about missing one day of
your giving out your your one day. This
is a daily basis. This is what goes on.
You got have that connection. You need
that kesha
and he's the one at the end of the day
that does it. You got to think of all
day. You know Shaba says
the first question Shaba says when you
come upstairs after 120
is did you do business properly? But if
you think about the the question first
of all why is this like the most
important question you come upstairs is
should be first I can think of other
things but business should we talk
business I mean we don't talk about
business on shabas we don't talk about
in the mikvah we talk about business I
don't know
>> no idea not supposed to talk in the
mikvah and people that do it bothers me
>> but the first thing cost is let's talk
business I mean
>> right
>> that sounds a little strange but I
thought about it and and really it's not
it's the question is
Did you do business with amuna? What do
you mean amuna? Did you were you honest?
Did you steal? Did you treat your your
employees properly? All the questions
that you ask me. How did you grow? What
did you do? That's really if you want to
talk about business. What's amuna? No. I
think the answer is did you run your
business with ama? Did you believe
everything from did you know? And I my
employees know. You tell someone asks
you when's the job going to be ready?
You tell them 3:00. You don't say it's
not going to be ready at 3:00. There's
no questions asked. You trained your
employees part of the script to say
>> you have to say Hashem. Yes, you have to
do that.
>> How can you not?
>> That's such a minute detail.
>> But that's the only way. It only
happens. That's it.
>> I love it.
>> Of course.
>> You are very connected, Tasha.
>> I try. Very connected.
>> I try.
>> You're You're very connected to Did you
grow up like that?
>> We have a muna in the bones, but not to
this level that I experienced it and I
live it and I can see it. It's like it's
a it's there's no question. Hashem talks
to you all day. You just got to pick up
the conversation and and take it and and
it means something to you.
>> Wow.
>> You know the same questions. I think the
third question
says third question is CP Yeshua and
this others have said this already.
What's CP Yeshua?
Did you wait for Msiah? Of course, we
dab on Mashiach and and we're waiting
for the ghoul. Everybody is and I right
we say it every single day did you
but is this really a fundamental like
one there's five questions when you come
upstairs and the third one is third I
believe it's the third third or fourth
third one in the Gmorrah is see Yeshua
did you wait for Mashiach
is this really
so some people say that Yeshua doesn't
mean the Mashiach Yeshua is Hashem did
you realize that every time you needed
You waited for Hashem.
>> You're driving down the road and you
have going to Yeshiva or you're going to
your work or you're going to a store and
you dab and Hashem, please get me a
parking space that's close enough and
then say thank you. The famous joke that
they all say, the guy who was running
late to a meeting and he says, "Hashem,
I'll give $5,000 stock. Just get me a
parking spot quickly close up to the
front." And as he's pulling up, he see
someone pulling out. He's like, "Okay,
forget about it. I found one. You're
missing the boat. Hashem just gave you a
spot. Thank you, Hashem. I got it. Don't
forget to say thank you every time." And
yeah, you you got to be connected. This
is this is uh
out of space.
>> I have a question. Is that something you
look for specifically in new employees?
>> They have to be
>> this of like being
>> connected.
>> You have to be connected because I don't
think you'll have any.
>> Is that the culture there? Is that what
you're looking for in employees? Very
much so. You don't see it in somebody.
You're going to say no to them even
though they can be a good good skill set
for good bookkeeper.
>> Yes.
You walk into my store, there's sneeze
in every single person that's there. And
we've had good people who've come who
were not
properly
>> not not so sneezing.
>> Yeah. And and we said, "No, we we we
can't have it because the kaduca has to
be able to come in and can only come
when there's
good stuff there. If it's not, then it
won't come in." I had a girl who came to
me.
She was
having a lot of trouble.
She wasn't married. She was looking
shookim and stuff like that. And like
within the last four weeks or three
weeks, she was in two car accidents and
she had
medical episode and she had trouble a
lot of troubles. And she she looked at
me and she said to me,
>> "What's going on? What does Hashem
want?" I'm like, "I don't know. I'm not
Nvy. I don't know these things.
>> And as I always do, I dab to Hashem. It
was cover my mouth. Hashem, please help
me back words. Give me something. I What
am I supposed to say? I don't know. And
I said, listen,
honestly, I don't know. And I don't know
why this came out of my mouth. I know
why put it there. I said, I don't know
how to tell you. The only thing I know
is Hashem hates immorality.
just be good and everything will be
good. And she said, "Thank you." And she
left. She calls me back 20 minutes later
and she says, "How do you know?" I said,
"No, what?" She says, "Yeah, I've been
on the internet. I've not been doing the
right things. I'm going to stop."
>> I said, "Honestly, I didn't know. I was
just telling you general rules of what's
going on. Um, but surely if you're
involved with that, get off and then
Hashan can come into your house." Right.
make me a place where I can I can I can
get into and then I'll come in. And she
said, "I promise I'm going to stop." And
she says, "Call me back two weeks later,
four weeks later. I mean, we work
together." And she says, "Everything's
good. My car hasn't broken down. I got
to finish my sick. It's not a kiddesh.
You need to have kaducha. You need to be
that person that has that that kay." So,
you want to know before you ask me a
question. I know the answers of what a
person is supposed to do when they need
more money. They had a baby. They had a
thing. Truthfully, it's not my problem.
You had a baby. I'm very happy for you.
You got married and now you took on
another expense and you bought a house
and so on and so forth and they come
from me. I don't know what to tell you.
But I can say if we understand that
everything comes from now the question
is what did we bring in? What's going
out the right first of all
the was a beautiful thing. What did the
man have? It was it was you got it every
morning. It came down right in front of
you. You had it. Whatever you wanted to
taste like, it tasted like. It was It
was a beautiful thing. The
It didn't fall on Chabas. It was
Somebody else tell me some other good
things about the Mun. The Mun went into
the body. It There was no waste. No one
had to go to the bathroom. You
>> in the morning when it melted over
overnight when it melted, it went into
the water. And they said that the
animals in Africa
>> that drank from that water tasted
significantly better. the go was saying
that
>> but I'm going to I'm going to talk about
that there was no waste anything that
you left over became wormy and and you
couldn't use
>> and anybody who took more
>> got less
>> got less they got what you came home
with you they came home with the right
amount of money and you think about the
end of day and the midbar they
complained about it dor midbar they're
they were holy people right
>> you have the best of the best over here
how could you complain about it and I
was thinking about it and I said you
know we also
get the mun every day. Okay, it's not
the mun that necessarily the way you
think it's mun, but we get mun all the
time. It's just in a techn
in today's technology, a type of of of
mun, but we get the mun. What is it?
What's what's the technology letter or
terminology that we use for technology
today?
>> It's it's the letter E. Email, eBay,
e-commerce, e, right? So our money is
man e. Our money is the mun. And as you
get it every single day, you get it
every week. Whenever you get it, you get
it. The mun like the mun. Our money like
the mun can get anything you want. In
fact, more than the mun can get. You can
buy houses. You can buy cars with it.
Whatever you want it to be. The currency
in the right. If you if what do we say
about the mun? If you leave it over,
it's wormy. It's worthless. It doesn't
have to do anything. the if you use the
money properly it can be totally
absorbed into person you give it stucker
you do with it and so on and so forth it
becomes whatever
you take too much you're going to have
an expense and that's going to that's
going to
>> right
>> that that's going to cost you um you
don't collect the money on chabas like
we don't collect the money on chabas you
get extra on Friday shabas
>> you can leave it overnight
>> you can leave it you can do whatever you
want it this is what we have is the man
and we have to appreciate it every time
You get a check, Hashem. Thank you. This
is This is our This is our money that we
have. I got into this because we were
talking about who controls what how much
money you have. It's not I have a bigger
It's not that I have a more expenses
because I have now a kid. I have this, I
have that, and therefore I I need more
money.
I believe every
doctor visit, every time you have to
bring a car to a mechanic, it's because
you have too much money or you didn't do
something right with your money and
therefore Hashem has to take it away.
So, it's just a question of logistics.
The same money can stretch. I mean, I
make money and
I don't want to I forg
most of them in Kyle. Most of them are
are living on less money than I have.
Yet some of them have houses that are
like,
let's say, nicer than mine. Um, cars and
eat out and all that kind of. I'm not
comparing. And I don't forgive anybody.
Everybody should do whatever you want.
But how is it possible? But if you think
about it, of course it's possible. If
Hashem runs everybody, everything that
they have. So I'll have a bigger
expense, someone will have a lesser
expense. It's about expenses. Everybody
knows when you're running a business
there's a certain amount of money that
comes in and then a certain amount of
money. So you have to worry that there's
enough money coming in and the other way
to save money is by the expenses. How
can you cut your expenses and what can
you do?
>> Hashem runs this all. So it's a big
factory of what happens and what doesn't
happen. Ultimately Hashem can give you
enough money. He can give you a huge
salary. I had a neighbor who was a
therapist psychologist. He made a lot of
money. He says to me, "Benny,
I'm short $10,000 every year. I make a
lot of money, but I'm just short because
everybody lives up to the amount of
money they have. And then they do a
little bit extra. So, you're always
going to be short. No matter how much
money you're making, you're going to be
a little bit short. So, get a lot
shorter. So, a little bit, but at the
end of the day, the expenses are
coming from Hashem. So, you can those
expenses can cut down if you're living
with Hashem. One of the big things that
I'm one of my big things is is micer. I
do get calls from people and they want
to know what they're doing wrong in
business, how can do business better and
so on and so forth and we can go through
the month. We can talk about all
different things that you should say and
and shouldn't say carbon it's like a
biggie. I mean the says Hashem says how
I'm going to how when there's no B of
mig how we going to get forgiven I gave
you the paran say it and you're going to
get taken care of right yet the first
thing we do when we come late to the
first thing we sacrifice is the kabanas
but yeah um it it's it so there's a lot
to say and so and so on and so forth but
one thing that I tell everybody is myer
and this is I'm not giving and everybody
has their own who has to pay my who
doesn't pay my but the Torah says very
clearly if you give me you're going to
get rich and if you think about it if I
can be to be Hashem's treasurer and I
can treat the money properly and give it
to the people to his people that need it
and so on and so forth I want to do it
the best way possible so you should
trust me and I should be a good treasure
and I should be able to go bigger and
better and that to me is very important
myser is not always easy in fact it's
it's hard at times when you're
scratching together I think Hashem does
that purpose purposely to give you a
better you can test me with it.
>> You can the only thing right
test me on this and and this is this is
it. So some people give I'm not talking
about that regular messer.
>> It's not our money.
>> It's not your money.
>> It's not our money.
>> Right. And if we understand that so of
course that my kids I train them all.
You make a micer account. As soon as you
have anything right away meer account
now I know it's hard because I've lived
it and and sometimes it's hard. I had
papers. I used to walk around papers.
Everything every time I made any money
put any money in my pocket I wrote down
exactly what it was. I gave me I wrote
it down and I kept a a tab. I would
bring it into my computer and I put now
I have online there's this thing called
myer
>> tracker or whatever
>> one of those things
>> I use OJC for that.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Do you use any of those pledger OJC?
>> I have the bonus fund.
>> Donus fund. Very good.
>> Yeah. But I don't use it for tracking.
>> I use it to by micer like soon as it
comes to my checking account I put it
into OJC.
>> Yeah. So that goes automatically but
because I have multiple pockets and I
can get money from the cash register and
things like that. So I have uh
>> um
>> my wife
>> mymanager.com. So it's a beautiful it's
a beautiful thing. It goes in goes out
you write your meer and then you keep
track of everything but even when I
wrote it down sometimes I owed micer but
it's all written down and I found
>> but can you make payments from money
micer manager?
>> I just use this for my own my own in not
for payments. You can't give somebody to
ducka through meer manager.
>> I honestly never tried I don't know all
the details about it.
>> No OJC they give you like a card.
Somebody walks around sho you can pay
with that card. Then it's coming out of
out of your donut fun. So you don't get
a card, right?
>> I have a card. Yeah. So it comes out of
what you already set aside for me
because it's already in there as messer,
right? So I take the micer and I put it
into don and then from there it gets
figured.
>> It should be a sponsor on this episode.
>> Um but my so I wrote it down and I found
if I ever forgot to write something
down, I found out right away. All of a
sudden, car repair $500. And I knew I
forgot to route down $15. It was exactly
10 times the amount always every single
time. And it was like no games. This is
it. You take care of my sir and and
you're taken care of. But you don't. You
get the expense. You're taking care of
my money. Hashem says fine. And I didn't
always have the money, but I had a and
as long as I had the and I kept it and I
paid and I did so on and so forth, for
me it worked. I'm not telling you
anything like that, but for me
>> properly written down and I kept every
single paper. I still have the papers
even though I I'm I'm paid off. But it's
just like it it was something that I
did. My kids knew this. I remember once
>> one of my daughters going out on a date
and everything was going good and we
were really excited. It was the fifth
date and she came home and it was like
didn't go. Uh
>> oh.
>> And I like oops. Okay, what are we going
to do? Um it happens, right? What can
you do? And we were waiting for like for
sure a no. And it was like it was bad.
Um so of course my daughter cried and it
was okay. We're we're
know that this is the right thing and
that's it. Also I woke up and I said to
myself said to my daughter I said can I
ask you a question? Are you up to date
in Micer? And she says
>> what made you think of that?
>> Cuz this is this is a message from
Hashem. Hashem's talking to you. Right.
He's not saying no for no reason.
>> Everything's going good.
>> What made you think micer? Maybe it's
something to do with my you think about
messer. You think about ding. You think
about so many different things. For my
daughter, hello messer. I thought about
myself. Did I d properly? But for my
daughter, did you are you up to date in
meer? And she says, it happens to be my
last check. I didn't do micer. I said,
can you take care of it right now? And
she went to her room and she took care
of the mess and she wrote it down and
did what she had to do. And uh next day
we got a call. Everything's okay. And
the light went on. They're married, got
kids, everything's good. It's real
stuff. And I I I get phone calls and I
talk to people and I say, "I don't want
to tell you. I don't know. I don't know
you from a hole in the wall. You're
having trouble." They're having a lot of
trouble with their business and it
really should go and it doesn't make
sense that it didn't go. I mean, every
business has potential, doesn't have
potential. Hashem can do anything from
anything. So, that's not the question.
But when it's not going, so one of the
things I tell them, I said, "My ser, I
don't know about you. I'm not telling
you what to do, what not to do, but take
messer. Just make sure you're doing the
right messer." And I can't tell you how
many people call me back. Thank you for
that piece of advice. My business turned
around.
>> It's like it's real.
>> It's not just test me. It's real.
>> It's not a joke. People don't realize
that it's not even our money to begin
with.
>> It's not ours. Longem
we're going to have carbon, right? Every
10th one.
>> There you go.
>> It's not our money. You want to give
extra? Okay, give that's soda. Some
people say is not even sudoka. It's
money. You need to give it to people
that need it, right? Seduka
organizations or whatever. But when you
give Saddook, it should come from
somewhere else like real like it should
hurt a little bit in the pocket. Meer is
not even yours.
>> It's not yours.
>> Um
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>> I I want to talk a little bit about
business. It's fascinating like you've
brought so much and condition to into
your business and I'm assuming it's a
culture that flows through every
employee throughout the entire business
but
I want to bring this podcast a little
bit about business. What makes a good
employee in your eyes looking back the
employees that have been promoted
successful been around for a very long
time. What were those qualities that you
looked for or they had that in turn you
know helped them be successful at BP?
So that's
I guess a very good question. Um yes it
is a good question
and it's it's a good question because
you would think it's simple ABC that
everybody knows how to be a good
employee. You just make your boss happy.
But it's not the case. It's
unfortunately like everybody's busy
looking at themselves in their own
pockets. I understand everybody's
pressured and everybody has a lot of uh
and and and it's just very hard. But at
the end of the day, if you give yourself
over to the to the business and you're
dedicated to the business and you care
about the business as if it's your own,
your value is immense. I've had the
people who come to me and most of the
people who come to me, I need more
money. Not everybody, whoever is
listening, not everybody,
but most of the people I found over the
years who come to me and they need more
money and they're constantly needing
more money. the same people by the way
come every year that the raise is not
enough for them and so on and so forth.
>> What is your response when they ask for
a raise and you feel like they
asking for a little bit more than it
might be worth?
>> It's very very hard. It's like the
hardest time of the year when you have
to get raises and I just went through
that.
>> January.
>> Yeah. We give every year every year
January. We do every year January.
>> You do employee performance reviews.
Yeah. How was the structure?
>> You know, you know, today things are
different than it used to be. It used to
be when I went to say PTA when you came
to to the Rebi to PTA, you told exactly
what the kids are doing wrong, right?
Today it's different. Come to PTA, the
Reb tells you he's great. He's the best
kid in the world. Nothing better since
sliced bread. And like you sure my kid
got the same name. Like, what's going
on? I know the truth. What's going on
here? Today, it's just about being nice
and saying nice. And really, the reviews
are pretty much the same. you you have
to just say nice things and pump them up
and you get somewhere more that way
during throughout the day. You can tell
them what's going on, but to call them
in and just, you know, these um in in
education, they always say you got to
have a lot of positive chips to be able
to give negative chips. And if you're
not putting in the positive chips into
the bank, you can't take out any
negative chips.
>> So, you have to be give enough and
enough and enough to be able to say
negative. Everybody knows where they're
holding, where they're not holding. I'm
going to tell this person you didn't do
enough work and they come with a whole
paper. These are all the things I did.
>> Yeah, that's what I hired you for. Like
like uh what do you think? What do you
think it's all about? Well, yet when it
comes 3:00 and you you got to be out cuz
the babysitter's waiting. And when it
comes to even though I have an important
thing that has to get taken care of and
when I'm the last thing on the totem
pole when because you have to take care
of your shopping, the doctor's office,
everything has to go during work time.
Now that that becomes a problem. If
>> how have you balanced um having
employees realize that they need to
prioritize work versus personal life?
>> You can't train people. By the time they
come to you, they're already adults and
they are what they are. And uh I found
that those that come from homes that
Leilenu have sicknesses or down syndrome
or some kind of special needs or they
took care of a grandmother or something
like that. They are so much more
responsible than regular people and
worth millions of dollars. Um you know I
never answered your first question you
asked me. We're already going on the
16th one. I don't remember what the
question was but um
how do you answer a person who wants
more money? I said, "Most of the people
who want more money are never going to
be happy with whatever they have."
What's your response?
>> And they're not necessarily usually not
the most valuable clients.
>> Employees. Yes.
>> I found that some of my greatest
employees are ones that they were happy
with what they had and I gave them extra
money. They were like, "Thank you." They
were like so appreciative. It's like a
pleasure to deal with them and they're
like the best people. It's not
necessarily I think most employee
employers employers will tell you this.
When you're paying a person a high
salary, they want a lot of money to come
to work for you. You're not necessarily
getting the best stuff. It's not the num
the number that they're asking for that
makes them better.
>> You have to be very careful. You find
many people who are asking for less and
do much better work and much much more
valuable. You know during COVID I gave
out I felt bad. People came in. We were
an essential business. Don't ask me why.
Hashem made it that way. And we were
able to be open and
employees came in and it was hard and
and COVID was hard and everything was
just like crazy. So I said, you know
what, I'm going to give an extra 10%
uh to on the checks for everybody. So
just give him a little bit extra.
>> You're able to afford it?
>> It was very hard. It was co. It was like
Yeah. It was like $50,000.
>> You still getting business, new business
like
>> No, no, no. Sales slowed down. And
>> this is before the government went up
and this is before the government was
giving any money. So I was like, no. But
I I these are my people. We're big
family. We had to do it.
>> Sales slow down. You decided to push
payroll up.
>> What am I supposed to do? I did it. But
hold on. It didn't last so long.
>> Why people gave you the money back? No,
I I added 10% and one
>> Did you tell them or was it a surprise?
>> No, I didn't say anything. One employee
came to me and said, "Wow, thank you.
That was amazing what you did. I'm so
appreciative."
>> Did it bother you that nobody else said
thank you?
>> Yes.
>> Is what'd you do?
>> I'm like, nobody. I did it again. It was
$50,000, which was a lot of money for
me. and and it's co as he said and like
and nobody said anything except for this
one guy so you know what I gave the guy
a raise and I went back to a regular
took off the 10% no one cares no one
knows nothing but what am I making
myself crazy with your money [laughter]
like what am I doing this for if and and
I took that to myself Hashem also Hashem
gives me so much and if I don't come
back to Hashem and say thank you I
appreciate what you just did for me and
realize all the different things he does
for me yeah he can just do away with it
and he doesn't have to do anything and
like Yeah, it it's not it's not about
the money. It's not it's
be there for your employer.
Be dedicated, devoted, care for it. I
had one of my best employees made a lot
of mistakes. But every time she made a
mistake, she literally came with me in
tears and said, "I am so sorry what I
just did. I can't believe that I made
this mistake." And I saw the errands
kite. I saw how serious she was. She
took it to to heart. It was personal.
She was like, she was so devastated and
she was great and she she became my best
my best employee. But that's how that's
a good employee. Today they can cost you
a million dollars. Oh, mistake. Yeah.
Well, where's my check this week? What
happened? Right. It's like, sure, no, no
problem.
>> What do you do to consistently hire such
people?
>> You d of course, right?
>> Um, we
>> But do you just wait for them to walk in
the door? We
>> We've worked through so many different
things. Recruiting companies. You've
used recruiting companies.
>> Not used. We've used current companies
unsuccessfully.
>> Unsuccessfully. Okay. Why?
>> They tell their people how much to ask
for.
>> Okay.
>> And it's usually way above their value.
>> And they usually base it on what you say
you're willing to pay
>> and um and it's not necessarily a
quality person.
>> I think you're going to be very if you
ever decide to change your mind working
with recruiting, you'd be very happy
with Black Lid. This is not a pitch, but
EMS. Yes. Two days ago, we had a job
that was posted between 120 and 150. I
told the person to ask for 105.
>> That's honesty and that's good.
>> No. So, what were you doing? You used
recruiting agents. What else?
>> Bless you. Putting ads.
>> Thank you. We have ads. We have to be
weekly. So, we have have a place where
to make put ads.
>> Did you ever put salaries in the ads?
>> No.
>> I'm a ve I really think many companies
waste their money putting ads. agree.
And if you don't put the salary, I don't
know if it's showing that you have
something to hide, but you're not
you're not going to get people.
>> It also weeds out phone calls that you
shouldn't that shouldn't be coming to
you if it's not in their ballpark.
>> You can say, "I'd pay I'm open to paying
$80 to $100,000 for this position, but
you need six years of experience or four
years of you write the qualifications
>> not a whole job description, but even if
it's cute graphic, an image with a
little joke emoji, I don't know. But
>> what are your thoughts on that?
>> No, I agree thousand%.
>> Are you doing it?
>> I haven't put an ad in a while, but but
when I advise people, when they come to
me with their ads and they tell me it
didn't work, I say, "Okay,
>> there's nothing wrong with B weekly.
It's something wrong with your ad. Let's
look at it." And I look at the ad and I
tell them, "Okay, change this.
>> Put this, put that, put the other
thing." And they'll call me back next
week. This this job was taken. So, yeah,
it really makes a big difference. All
these all these things are important.
and just to weed out why do you need
extra phone calls if you shouldn't be
getting them if it's not to get to this
person just just move on and so yeah
that that is important and we should do
it so bam the phones are ringing and I
get more people trying to get in
>> bam I have a good workplace and people
appreciate and the word got out and
people want to work in VP it's a
beautiful family together and so I don't
have to put ads uh sometimes when I'm
looking for like really on the higher
spectrum that's when I went out to some
of these agencies these um
>> they're not cheap. So I understand why
companies are a little hesitant to work
with agency.
>> I don't mind paying 15%. I'd be happy to
pay it if I get quality, but I have to
have the right quality just because
it was funny. One agency sent me
somebody and we asked the girl, "How did
you um
>> as the candidate or the recruiter?"
>> I asked the candidate like, "How did you
get to this recruiting company?" She
said, "I actually put an ad in BP and
they called me." She put in my BP
weekly. She put an ad and they called
her from the ad in BP weekly and that's
sent her to me.
>> That's funny. Okay.
So, um, wow.
>> It's not necessary that they had this
person over there and so and so the 15%
is is worth it 100% if it's done
properly. And um I've had horrible
stories, people that were actually in
jail and we didn't even know about it.
Came from a firm
>> recruiting agency.
>> Recruiting agency. I'm like, how could
you do this? Oh, we don't really do
that. We don't vet that way. But
I'm thrilled with everything and
everything was a was a learning curve.
And you know, I got one lady
who didn't work out, but you know why
she came? because she recommended my CFO
who I currently have and so I needed
him. So it had to come through her and
she could and she moved on. Everybody
moves on and Hashem has so many
different ways to make things happen.
You just watch it all fall into place
and it's a beautiful world. It's a
beautiful way to see everything that
Hashem does. It's amazing.
>> Hashem planned all of this thousands of
years ago.
>> He had he did ex He knows what he's
doing. Sometimes we don't see it. When
we do, we should be grateful. But you
should open your eyes because you open
your eyes. I once wanted to write a book
about open your eyes. You open your
eyes, there's so much to see. And but if
you don't look,
you won't notice it. Not that you see
everything, but but there's so much to
see. Even what you don't see, there's so
much to see. It's like it's amazing.
It's all it's all from above. My bubby
came to me for she bought me a book from
called living amus
about
talks about regular worldly things that
show you how there's no way in the world
a person or a scientist could duplicate
this and how it's so obvious that
there's only one Hashem who
has so much and
into like I was telling Shimmy earlier
Your neck can turn in every direction,
right? Hand, your your fingers lock. You
can only go up. You can't go down. Why?
If you held something very heavy and
your fingers could go down backwards, it
would fall out of your hand. With your
neck, you need to be able to look in
every direction. The way with Hashem, he
built the human body. They can't even
duplicate properly joints, ligaments
with different materials.
>> I learned at night,
>> boggling. I learned
>> you should make a machine that can last
120 years. Let me see.
>> It's crazy.
>> I I learned at night in
>> Okay. nights later doing this for the
past 35
years something like that
>> and
in the beginning of the year is when I
first got to know him and he's an from
Vda Miller and I came to him then he
says come with me to Rabd Miller and I
became the driver and every couple of
weeks Thursday night
>> Thursday night
>> I used to drive con and then he used to
bring some other people with us this was
a a thing we would do and that's how I
got acquainted ra Miller and I learned
went a lot.
>> Did you remember? Maybe you know my
share's father
Shapiro.
>> I didn't know the people over there. We
went to Thursday night for 1 hour and a
half till the tape turned over and then
the other way and then we d Mar and we
went home.
>> I I want to go into You do now weekly
publications. So you're in the printing
business. You do signs etc.
>> Why did you get into weekly publications
the BP weekly as they call it here in
Lakewood?
>> So
>> when did that happen? Why
>> the weekly publication and the whole
idea of advertising was actually one of
the first things that came to my
actually it started with that said the
whole business started with
>> really yes
>> I thought it was printing imitations
>> I advertised that I do that kind of
stuff but then
>> but what happened was
>> when I came to Lakewood
>> yeah 37 say 367 years ago you said yeah
>> and so it wasn't a big crowd but the
mailing list then was 1,200 families
today it's over 18,000
>> and
they had a few stores and the stores
used to get together and they did a
mailer they printed flyers and they'
fold them all and put them into
envelopes and send it out to the
community. So one of the first jobs that
I got was to make the flyer and then I
had to print it and that's what we spoke
about before printing those flyers
>> and I fold them and so and then we got
some of the neighbors and some of the
neighbors even remember where I lived in
court get the neighbors together pay
them and they would come and stuff the
envelopes and that was what they used to
do and it got to a point I said okay
there's a bunch of papers over here why
don't we just make a little booklet out
of this and then it's just one thing
that goes into an envelope and we're
done we don't have to worry about it and
So, I changed it into a booklet and then
it became a monthly thing that we just
sent out every single month. Uh,
especially when I opened the print shop
then after I opened the print shop. And
so now I was able to print it in my own
shop and I was able to make it into
booklets and put it all together.
>> Wow.
>> So, it was a no-brainer. First of all, I
had extra press time. I had extra
graphics time. So, this is perfect. Do a
weekly thing. You're you're becoming
your own client, right? like what could
be better? Did I know about sales then
and there was nothing to go sales for.
There was only five stores in the whole
town or whatever it was. But it wasn't
like do loads and loads of sales. So
here I was I became my own client and
made this thing and just do it every
month until it got to a point where
there was so much going on that we were
able to do it on a weekly basis. For
Kufi was still doing a weekly and a
monthly. Uh the monthly was cheaper, the
weekly was more expensive, but I to
peter it out and I mean everything used
to be black and white. Now everything's
beautiful color. So, you know, things
changed from when we started to to what
we are today. But behind her, it's it's
a solid thing. And uh
>> I'm assuming it's a whole separate
department. Editing, the writing, the
articles.
>> So, I don't have any articles.
>> No articles, just ads.
>> I I don't I don't do any articles.
>> Interesting.
>> No politics, no nothing. It's just
>> about things in the news. I don't know
things going on in Lakewood.
>> There's one article that I write now
every week, one page. You should read
it. It's good.
>> I don't live here. I live in Muny.
>> Get it online. bweekly.com
>> online. Go to page six or eight, I think
it is. And um
>> and it's it's a good piece, but uh
there's nothing that's it. It's straight
ads from beginning to end. You live in
my so my days of course announcements.
Today there's the um there's no one
who's doing just ads, but the
announcements was just ads.
>> They don't do it anymore. No. Um
>> but yeah, it was just ads and that's
what I copied and we we continue to do
that over here still today. So, it's
really it's not the paper that you're
going to pick up if you want to read a
serial story. It's not the paper
>> a serial story, but there's some um in
my we have
>> got there's pictures and there's all
that kind of
>> No, there's ads, there's articles,
things are going on in the local polit
political news.
>> Correct. This is strictly shopping. You
want to know what who has sales this
week? You want to know what's going on?
Uh which stores are opening up, the new
stores, what's
>> Are you allowed to read a Shabas?
>> No.
>> Do you write that in there?
So somebody came to me once and said you
know you're not allowed to read this on
chabas and people don't know that and
you should write that is show me where
it was you can't read this on chabas. So
I put it in you can't read this on
chabas and I wrote exactly that you
can't do it on chabas
>> and then they came to me and they said
how could you do that now I can't bring
it to the bathroom because inside it so
I had to take it out
>> you have to leave it in there you can't
take it into the bathroom because it
says the hal is
>> inside. So now you can't do it. This is
I have a the town over here. They keep
me on my toes. Make sure every single ad
is done right and it's and otherwise I
get phone calls and
>> but if you write the what
in there so now it's a real
>> can't put in the bathroom.
>> That's what they told me. So I'm not
going to argue with them. So fine.
>> You have a r now it doesn't have it. But
now I have my piece in there. So it's a
little it says it says please treat this
with respect.
But it's um it's it's really ads and
it's really we pride ourselves. This is
the shopper. If somebody wants to shop,
they want to know what's going on, they
pick it up. They're not picking it up
for any other reason. They're picking it
up just for shopping. And this is the
shopping
avenue to to to find out where and
what's happening. Uh unlike other papers
and truly because we believe and we've
done studies on this, you can read I
don't know what you're reading the
whatever it may
>> you're learning. Uh but those who do
read, right? Right? And then you ask
them, "There was an ad right next to
that uh article that you just read. Can
you tell me about it?"
>> It's like when you open up your your
phone, then the thing pops up and then
what was that? I have no idea. I just
look for the X, right?
>> So, it doesn't help that you have an
article next to next to the ad because
they're not reading that anyway. So, you
want to read, there's plenty of papers
to read. You want to know shopping
strictly shopping. This is this is it.
There used to be another paper called
Strictly Business. Same thing. Just this
is just business and and that's what
it's about and that's what we got name
for and Bam. That's why they have I
believe Hashem sent us the success but
the people are doing so well who are in
there uh and and they call us they tell
us I can't believe I wasn't in here
before or where I was and so on and so
forth everybody's good and so on and so
forth but the success that they have is
because people are opening it I'll do it
for one reason they want to know what
the shop for and what and that's what it
is and we stayed by that and we we stuck
to it I don't print it anymore in my own
shop it's way too big to print it's done
on a big web press
>> that's nice you can see you can you're
one of the few people that can literally
tell how much liquid has grown by how
thick the booklet becomes and how many
stores are coming in.
>> Yes. And it's growing by leaps and
bounds and it's growing bigger and wider
and uh
the fact that you have five, six or
seven big grocery stores competing with
each other. You know who gains? We gain
this consumer, not me as BP. the
consumer gains because now everybody
they're all competing and and that's
really people should think about doing
smart ads because it's not about just
advertising anymore because now you have
to really we're at that point whether
it's the
time 2026 or it's uh just because
there's so much competition over here
but you have to really stand out and
that really makes a difference in that
way.
>> What should be the goal of the ad if
there's no call to action? Let's say
there's no sale and it's not a opening.
>> Yeah. If it's a branding oriented ad,
what should be the goal of the ad,
>> but you want to show your
differentiator, you want to show why
you're different than the other people.
>> I don't know if I should say this on the
air or not, but when you have
[clears throat] it out,
>> when you have six grocery stores, I
mentioned them before and they're all
advertising. Okay, I have uh oil on sale
this week and I have potato chips on
sale and I have soda on sale this week
and so on and so forth.
>> What's the differentiator? You're
selling price. You can't sell. You can
sell price, but there's never going to
be there's always going to be somebody
cheaper than you. And if you're just
selling price, you're not getting
anywhere,
>> right?
>> Tell everybody that your chickens are
the cleanest chickens. My daughter will
buy buys her chickens only in one place.
She says, "They have the grocery store.
They have the cleanest chickens." And I
told the guy, I said, "Advertise the
cleanest chickens." Like you have
quality. Put that forward. And and don't
focus so much on this item, that item.
In fact, if you ask me, put 10 basic
items on sale every week. I remember
Shopight used to be here. They were the
one store everybody went to. They always
had soda on sale. One week was Coke, one
week was Pepsi, but there was always sod
on sale. And I always need soda for my
shoppers table. So, we always went there
to shop because it was always on sale.
In this store, these 10 things are
always on sale. This is their price.
This is the low price every day price.
Now, we have the cleanest chickens. We
have the best service. We have show your
differentiator. You can outdo all the
other people a million times, right?
You're not selling price anymore. It's
always going to be so much cheaper. You
know the famous story, the barber who's
does the haircuts by the airport, $10.
It was a big shop, big sign. Yeah,
haircuts $10.
>> And one day he comes to work and he sees
down further down there's a guy who has
a sign on his shop. It says haircuts $8.
>> What's going on over here? So quickly he
changes his sign haircut $7. So he has
haircuts $5. He goes $4. He comes the
next day and is going to he doesn't know
what's going on over here. The guy has a
sign haircuts 50 cents. How can I
compete with 50 cents? That's
ridiculous. What is he going to do?
Luxury haircuts $12.
[snorts] We fix 50 cent haircuts.
>> That's good.
>> Okay, this the differentiator. You put
your value. Don't sell price. Always
going to be someone cheaper than you.
And you're never going to compete with
that. You're never going to be able to
go to the bottom bottom bottom. It's
just it doesn't make sense. It's a rat
race.
>> And many people don't even realize
running a business what really is
involved in the business and they're
selling at prices that don't even make
sense until
>> what's Costco doing, right? The hot dog
for $150 or the drink for 75 cents.
>> You get foot traffic once a year.
They're in the door. They're coming for
the hot dog, but they're ending up
leaving with a full cart.
>> Costco is totally different. Costco has
a whole a whole other thing. But there
are certain things to bring people into
the store. And I'm not saying not and
how you strategically place your store
and what you put in the front and so on
and so forth. There's a to day and age.
I said before more and more of that is
needed the marketing to get people to
have that good feel to have to to
understand where you are and and that's
what branding is. It sets the tone who
you are and what to expect and so on and
so forth. And that's very very important
these days. And unfortunately
people don't have the money or the
understanding and it's just a question
of price rat price and and and it's
horrible and it hurts me that because
people are hurting it's it's very hard
everybody's competing with each other
and and it then turns down to price and
people come to me all the time what
should I do and I lower my price no no
>> no what's your differentiator what's
your value put that up front and you can
do very well one of the podcasts I I was
watched last nice for two minutes. You
had a lady maybe her name was Calfman
>> interior designer
>> interior designer and she said when I
opened up I was the most expensive
because I was confident in what I did
and I people were coming to me and and
you know
>> that's good you're selling yourself and
you have you know what you're giving
you're giving a good product if I'm
selling the same thing as a guy down the
block then I can't be more expensive but
if you can make that better and do
something better this is what it's all
about so not a question of what you're
selling but how do I sell it better how
to make it easier for the client to get
it today it's about fast and ease Right.
>> So, the easiest way to me to do it and
the fastest way to do it, that's where I
am. And we got to be with the times and
we have to just help them and make it
good. And
>> as we're getting towards the end of the
podcast,
>> what [laughter] time?
>> We're just having fun.
>> Yeah. Um, what's next for you for the
company?
What are you guys working on?
>> So, I went to a print show this year.
>> What's a print show where they show
machines?
>> What's a print show? They show machines.
So the truth is presses are very much
out.
>> What are they called? Print printers.
>> Everything's digital. A lot of digital
stuff.
>> So it's called printers. Inkjet. Okay.
>> Inkjet. Um what you call a copier, but
they're not just small copers. I'm
assuming it's as big as this room.
>> Yeah. Some of them. Yes. M longer. Sure.
>> You Where's your place?
>> Right here. Fourth Street.
>> How far from here? 10 minutes.
>> 15 minutes.
>> Maybe.
>> It's a factory machines humming and
thing.
>> I have two places. One two places that
do a lot of Yeah. a lot of work and yeah
it's it's it's come by.
>> Um
>> so what's next for you for come?
>> So I went to the print show and I'm like
looking and I went to I go more for the
speeches and to hear what's going on.
There's always an educational part to
every print show.
>> Well, what are they talking about that's
like new about the
>> some people are going to be talking
about retirement because a lot of people
are after they get to retirement. But I
don't want to use the word AI because
lately it's become a
>> What are your thoughts on that?
>> AI
>> as a creative. You're in the marketing
space.
>> I think it's a good tool. What are your
thoughts?
>> So I mean I'm you have to be careful.
The Rabbon are talking against AI and I
can understand some of the dangers and
people are stupid enough to ask AI
rabbitical questions and questions. You
got to be stupid because
it is happening and lately I heard kids
are getting on and doing and it's not a
good thing for sure not but as far as AI
where it's taken the whole world is
going to go AI and it's it's going to
it's it's going to AI is predictive of
what's going on and truth is you have it
on your on your phone when you start
typing it tells you what they think your
word you're going to write that's
>> AI has been around for 15 years
>> been around we didn't call it AI now
it's just open AI now it became more
that people can use it but what AI has
allowed you to do that. You can do
things you couldn't do ever before and
easily fast so on and so forth. Yeah. Um
I'm creating apps now on with the AI
tools and just it's it's one two three.
It's just like it's it's changes
everything.
>> AI is not going to the way we say it is
AI is not going to take over employees
or people they're not going to lose a
job over AI. But people who don't have
the knowledge of AI are going to lose
their jobs because just like I mean I
remember before email was around before
the websites were around right and if
you didn't pick up and get a website
you're out of business right and if you
didn't don't have email now you're
you're you're lost you're not there
you're not going to be using these tools
that can help you that much better and
that much faster get to where you have
to get to. It's um everything is going
to be have AI infused into it. Every
website that we're making now has to
have AI in there somehow to know how to
presume the next move they're going to
make and what they want and how to help
them track what's going on. Our new
imitation website is now going to tell
you what time is that day. So you want
to know when to make the you shouldn't
bump into and have a problem with what's
going on. It's that's a simple thing but
now with AI it can do to very very
easily um help you with so many
different things that AI can do. And the
way I looked at it, honestly, I don't
know if I should announce this to the
world, but um we'll just keep it quiet.
Printing, when I walked out of those
speeches about where the world is going
to, I was like, I'm not walking the
floor anymore. I don't want to see any
machines anymore.
>> Printing, you think it's becoming
obsolete?
>> Printing is not going to be what it was.
There's no question. Where's the
industry going 10 years? So, I look at
printing as communications,
>> okay? That's the way I communicate to
you. I send you an invitation, I
communicate. I send you an ad. I
communicate with you. Communication is
going to be different. It's going to be
digital. It's going to be something
different. I'm going to figure out
exactly what it's going to be, but
printing is not going to be what it was.
And I going to get ready for it. And I
want to be ahead of the game. What do
you want to say?
>> I think the only place where printing is
still going to be around is is Jewish
communities because of Shabas.
>> It will take a little bit longer, but I
could
>> What are we going to do Shabas? I don't
want to promise you, but there will be a
shabus safer app that will work. Like
you can brush your teeth with it.
>> We can open refrigerators now with
shabas things in there will be
something. I don't know. Okay, you're
right. There there always will be a need
for printing. But the question is how
much and what how it's going to evolve.
Something is going to change. And we all
know the story with Kodak,
>> Mr. Eastman. And he stuck to his guns
and he had you don't even know what a
empire had. It was like over 13 and a
half miles of buildings of stuff that he
had. He had 140,000
employees at one point.
>> It was not normal. And one of his
employees, shockingly enough, actually
>> created uh like
>> digital camera or something,
>> some kind of a digital, it was the size
of a toaster oven or something. But but
he came up with this concept and he
didn't want to buy it
>> and they kicked him out and they said,
"Are you kidding? You're going to ruin
the whole film industry." Right?
>> And they weren't here.
And look where they are now. Everybody
else advanced and they're still in the
thing. By the way, you know what
happened to Mr. Eastman? He never got
married, never had any kids, and he's
committed suicide at the end of his
life.
Okay.
>> But if you're not looking forward, I'm
I'm looking forward. In fact, my
business plan this year, that is the
mantra. That's the goal to see how we
can advance so that our employees can
get more help that they need faster.
that the jobs go f better, that the
clients can get a better job faster,
what we can do to help the clients get
in and they can help themselves. It's
all about going to the future and seeing
how how the technology can really help
people.
>> I think printing um signage I think will
still be relevant.
>> It's going to be digital and all those
who are not doing digital better wake
up. You need screens. every be behind
every uh head table now there's a big
>> No, but what about buildings
>> or going digital?
>> No, but um buildings um um like awnings
of a storefront.
>> It'll something will change
>> something. I can't tell you where it's
going, but when I was a kid to tell me
that there's going to be a car that can
drive driverless, I mean,
>> yeah,
>> you just drank something or something
like like what? You're out of your mind
now. You tell me that the car is going
to fly. I believe it. I don't know how,
when companies working on it. Of course,
they're working on it.
>> And I look at guys like Elon Musk. I I
look at Robonaman as well also, but
people like him who think so out of the
box and so differently and I'm like,
hey, you know, I watched Erus and the
technology that they have and how they
thought of all these things before it
even came about and now they're able to
they have that thing ready to go so that
when this when they strike, they can
kick back at it and get all these scuds
down or whatever they can do. So
advanced, you have to think futuristic.
You can't think where you are today or
you're going to get stuck where you are
today. You got to have that vision. You
got to look forward and see where is
this going and how can I and things are
changing today faster than it ever
changed. If you think about it from the
1700s till the beginning of 1900s
>> barely did it move from 19 to 2000.
Okay. A little bit and most and mostly
at the end it's spinning. It's spinning
now. And you got to get on that train
quickly or you're going to be you're
going to be lost.
>> I'm going to end with one story.
>> No.
>> Just
>> a powerful story. I don't know why it
has nothing to do with anything that we
just said.
>> Good. This one I love. So, this guy's
going to the operating room and as
they're about to take him in and put him
under, the doctor's standing there with
the paper. Still have a paper and a pen.
Today, it's all digital. And I need a
sign over here that if uh anything goes
wrong, you can't sue me. I did my best
and the powers from above, whatever it
was, did it. And it's nothing to do with
me. You can't sue me. So the guy looks
up to the doctor and he smiles. Smart
man. And he says, "I'm willing to sign
on one condition. If you agree that if
everything does go well, you don't take
credit for either. And you know it's
also from powers of above. Everything's
from above. Davin. And don't worry where
the world is going or coming or going,
whatever it may be. Everything's from
above. Davashem. Be the best employee to
Hashem. Be the best ever to Hashem and
everything will go good for you."
>> I love that. Just on an earlier note um
regarding where printing is going I I
interviewed Selzer.
>> Wow.
>> And um I spent Shabas with him.
>> Am I sitting in a seat
>> and in my
>> I um he's very involved with MDY
Stfansky. So there was the Shabaton this
week I went
>> and I asked him how did the industry
evolve? He's like
>> the weekly publications that come out
now people used to read Shabas afternoon
books. Now there's so much reading
material that come outs every week that
that affected the
>> wow
>> the book industry um and it's only here
I mean how do you think the New York
Times still sells paper copies as much
as they used to no everything's digital
but in the front in the we have shabas
you can't read nothing electronic
>> everything
>> I think it's the only place where
>> it is slower in the in the Jewish world
and we're proud of that that it is going
slower but still you have to
>> probably the only place where people are
start still investing in paper
advertising.
>> That's why when I print my BP weekly,
the guy is dying to hold on to me even
though I wanted to leave him a few times
cuz all the other papers are leaving.
They have invested in big presses. You
got to see these presses. They're huge.
They're like three stories high. It's
it's a big roll of paper that runs this
>> wow
>> tremendous speed and it costs a lot of
money. A lot of these places, it's
called a um web press. A lot of them
have closed down because there's not
enough demand anymore.
>> Wow. And therefore, yeah, you go to the
printing shows, you're not going to see
so many presses anymore. I just got rid
of my last press this year. We dig
digital, fully digital.
>> Um, there's all type of different ways
of doing digital, but yeah, digital has
taken over and coming so much better. I
remember the first
>> color copier that I had. It cost me a
dollar a print.
>> Whoa.
>> Cost me a dollar a print. And you had to
make money on that also. And you know
how slow it was? Oh my gosh.
>> It was terrible. Things have come a long
way.
>> Definitely.
>> And um it's a beautiful world and it's a
beautiful
>> everything is
>> everything.
>> Love what you do. Never work another
day.
>> Exactly.
>> All right.
>> Yan, thank you so much for joining me in
today's podcast.
>> Hope I said something worthwhile.
>> I think everybody listening is going
definitely going to walk away with
something special.
>> Hope so.
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