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Best of Meaningful People Podcast
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The Best of Meaningful People Podcast Nachi Gordon & Momo Bauman About the Meaningful People Podcast: There are so many Jewish personalities and big people in the world. They all have a story on how they became who they are today. Deep, unboundedly interesting, fun and uplifting, Meaningful People Podcast is a weekly opportunity for Nachi & Momo to talk to the Jewish world's meaningful people. Website: meaningfulpeoplepodcast.com Instagram: instagram.com/meaningfulpeoplepodcast Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/meaningful-people/id1502942214 Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/1qaVEt4KuHPLymc2MJnoaZ TikTok: tiktok.com/@meaningfulpeoplepodcast
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[Music]
Hello friends at amudim and people who
are watching Naki Gordon here with my
co-host Momo Balman from the meaningful
people podcast how are you dude I'm good
dude how are you barem thank you Hashem
fantastic amazing you look fantastic
anyways we are here you're so kind n you
gotta be kind no part of the
campaign yeah always only always we are
here creating content and suppor of
amudam in the incredible work they do um
and we're just gonna talk about some of
our favorite moments maybe stories huus
from the meaningful people podcast I
know huus if you know what huus is then
uh you win a prize in shamine probably I
don't know um so I I'll just kick it off
you know bar we've recorded So Many
amazing episodes together um and like
right honestly yeah like every single
guest we've sat down with has just been
it's been a gem it's been a gem it's
been the greatest G that was one of the
episodes gem oh yeah that's JM I was
talking about gem okay nahi all of a
sudden mock it on spelling and grammar a
whatever man by the way Jim recently
came up by the way I was talking to
someone just like in a in a meeting in
like a work meeting and he was telling
me
unbelievable stories about the laich
rebbi really I don't I don't want to
interject I don't know if we're allow to
open parenthesis here and stuff like
because this is not an episode we expect
you to open parenthesis in any kind any
kind okay so let me formally open the
first parenthesis and share that awesome
gentleman Alex kisselev shared with me
an unbelievable story I feel like the
names that you make they're not real
people Kissa he's so real he is so there
always the people you always bring up
during names like Yanka Feer like what
like how is that that's also a real a
real gentleman that is true he is real
but Alex is super super real and super
incredible
he I'm gonna I'm gonna condense the
story that he told me into like very
short order but basically he went to
help out a family member with some like
moving a television this is going back
like many many many years to move a
television and an apartment and they're
like okay we'll do it we'll do it
tomorrow and he's like no for some
reason he's like you know what I'm going
to do it today I'm going to do it today
so he goes to the apartment and he
starts moving the television he's
helping out and he's and it's
the whole thing and there's boxes and
he's like oh do you want one of these
boxes he takes the Box there's a picture
of the laich rebi in the in the Box
takes the picture he's like you know
what it's a it's a it's a picture of an
amazing sadic take it so he takes it he
puts it in his in the front seat of his
car and he starts driving starts driving
on the Belt Parkway and he like for some
reason he has this like flash to get off
on the exit and he goes on to tell the
story how with no explanation he ends up
getting off the exit he ends up going to
visit his father he ends up having a
whole conversation with his father and
then he remembers that he just recorded
an advertisement how are you advertising
right he recorded a new advertisement
for his business that he was building
okay and he wants to show his dad he
wants to show his dad the ad right now
this is way before the days where you
could just pull it up on your phone
right so they have to like go down to
the office to like see there's like a
there's like a a video that you put in
and it's this whole dis exactly it's
like this whole elaborate process to go
view the advertising that they created
he he and he convinces his dad right
then right then we have to go see the ad
right this is after he wasn't going to
be there at all right decided to stop by
yeah and he takes his dad back to his
office and he realizes when he gets to
the office that he left his keys
dangling in the door and his office was
in a neighborhood that based on his own
assessment had he let the Knight go
through he would have come the next day
to an empty cleaned out
office and he attributes it to laab
Reb's picture sitting in the seat of his
car pulled him off the exit to Exit 4
pulled him to his dad's apartment pulled
him to his office so he can discover
that his office is in Jeopardy that's
awesome and and he hangs up the office
he hangs up the picture of the Reit in
his office and he shows it to me and he
told me something else he said that he
once was concerned that there was a a
wire tap in the office and and he he
purchased a a pen to detect like a
signal that's being
transmitted and walked it around his
office I kid you not this is a very
serious man yeah he looked at me in the
face and he said Momo the
pen was transmitting a signal when I put
it up by the RBIs
picture maybe maybe the picture was
tapped I don't know dude I don't know
true
story told it to me yesterday close
parenthesis how are you D well that's a
way to begin this with David Schwab as
my witness by the way David Schwab was
there when Alex told me the story David
Schwab from Hass of course Very how are
you doing very interesting that's that's
some story that's incredible well it
kind of uh brings me to the first story
I want to bring up the first moment from
our podcast we did a little while ago
with uh rly besser the amazing rly
bester remember how how he mentioned
about um he said this about May LTZ that
he would never pass by his parents block
without stopping by right and Surly said
that he tries to do the same that's not
the story I want to bring up it just
happens to be that was relevant to what
you said about I thought that was a
beautiful sensitivity but what I want to
bring up is really for anybody that
lives out of town um which out of town
is basically anyone who doesn't live in
Brooklyn right uhon or like
um but Sly Sly said a story that he had
from Montreal and this is the story it
was once many many years ago not long
after I lived to
Montreal uh F was on the Klean not on
any you lost a child a
baby so we were we were his friends we
walked down to the hospital on Yanti his
baby was still alive it was some TI we
walked it was like over an hour we sat
with him a little bit the M the baby
lost her life and the next day was the
levia so again we went out the young lad
Kyle went out to the Leva and and
literally did things that people do at L
people were digging and helping and in
the car on the way back one of my
friends said it's Such a Pity that
Montreal doesn't have a branch of
mum so R says if Mt if Montreal had a
branch of M askam would you know that
you are capable of doing what you just
did in the last three hours would you
know that you can say a hpit and counsel
and grieve with somebody that way and
physically help and do the things you
You' never even know that that means you
you discover things about yourself when
you live town because nobody else able
to do that including writing for that
matter we I don't have to make myself
the example but I only write because I
live out of town fact had they lived in
an in town community that's not the they
wouldn't have this opportunity to St to
step up for their friend to do things so
you know like sometimes people might
think like I live in Columbus I live in
Philadelphia I live in you know middle
of nowhere and we don't have the
conveniences we don't have the grocery
that's open 247 and we don't have the
yers of the world whatever like but what
you do have is the opportunity which I
found was so powerful you have the
opportunity to be that right yeah to to
be the the answer to people's blessings
in a way like has work through you so
like it's a it's a takeoff of a quote
from Gandhi I think it is be the change
you want to see in the world yeah that's
beautiful I never thought we'd be
talking about Gandhi this morning there
you go be the change you want to see in
how's Gandhi doing these days I don't
know honestly he's he's not still alive
right I have no idea actually Momo
doesn't know I don't know keeping
sitting we're on Virtual Studio we could
actually Google it right
now someone somewhere is laughing at us
right now like are you kidding me
Gandhi's right next to me is he there no
appears that Gandhi um was born in
1869 are we talking about the same talk
about the same Gandhi yeah dude when did
he only one there's only one Gandhi he
died on January the 30th
1948 that is crazy that we pardon our
vast ignorance with respect to uh the
Buddha yeah the Buddha KRA over there um
a lot of good quotes though from
Gandhi why did now I lost now I lost the
tab that we're recording on oh here we
are back I don't know why we thought for
second that he was still alive but
anyways the because his wisdom is still
alive lives forever but
anyways be the change you want to see in
the world you know that's that's like
how are you Surly B thank you for that
for that my that story sticks with me we
recorded that such a long time ago you
know and uh behind the scenes fact about
that episode M Surly was so under the
weather remember yeah yeah we cut a few
times for like coughing attacks coughing
breaks yeah coffee breaks there were no
coffee breaks because we also talked
about the fact that you don't drink
coffee in that episode oh yeah yeah so
no coffee breaks but coughing breaks the
funny thing is I don't think I ever will
live that down like I've gotten so many
invites to like coffee
meetings and I'm like wait like do you
actually want to meet or are you just
making a joke like I don't understand
they're like no coffee pivoting
meaan yeah about coffee I was talking
recently with rasi Schwarz about the
aity of coffee um
Cav right Cav is the way we refer to
Coffee in in Yiddish
and he wants to write a safer on all
theas that pertain to coffee and call it
cave elem how are you I'm I'm I'm in I
am a I am a customer even though I don't
drink coffee I just love I love the um I
love the focus on writing a safer about
something that everybody besides for me
drinks on chabas right like everybody
drinks on chabas besides yeah it's
chabas it's during the week also there's
a lot of alas that pertain to it
interesting is about during the week
drinking coffee yeah catch this right
ready for this there's a that if you
make a br on if
you're sud on something not only but
likeus if you're if you make a misus and
you have in mind to leave the place
where you
are you're good your Das can keep thatas
going so you can make the BR on the Maus
and then continue to eat it when you get
in the car when you go to the next place
a
coffee or any shahak for that matter
doesn't have that doesn't have that
ability to establish the meal such that
if you take it from one place to the
next even your dos is insufficient to
keep that going so if you make a shahak
on your coffee at home and you even if
you have in mind to take it elsewhere a
new broa is triggered when you get to
that new place write that safer let's
write that safer K alash yes Biden J
stores near you um we've had some very
funny moments heart of meaningful
people some some have made it to the
final edit oh you started it we have
started we have so many
bloopers oh you oh you went there good
good yeah I could take it you want to
know what my favorite Naki moment is oh
that's hear it I have to show it though
so so first of all so thank you for
making it difficult for me to make this
make this Choice okay but I'm
very um I am going to have to go with I
think it was with if I'm not mistaken it
was with Jonathan donf oh it must have
been with Jonathan donth because of what
we talking about Dr J he how are you
and I just play it I'm not even going to
describe it $1
60 $1 just because I want people to
understand I don't want it is $31 a
month we can't hit People's Credit Card
every day and it's 100 cents yeah what
did I say what did I say no you were
right you you were good said 60 cents no
I didn't you did I said 60 cents yeah
dude I didn't hear it I didn't hear n
but but I'll tell you one thing 60
seconds that's my business I what do I
fasted today I'm this going to be edited
this is going to be edited is it yeah
for please
$160 okay I just I need to have a Breer
one
second um yeah where were
we yeah so in my
defense I got confused with seconds and
sense oh it's very confusing it happens
no it's it's terribly confusing it's
completely understandable but they're
both they're both like units that you
measure yeah it's totally totally
reasonable that you was also in my
defense was also late at night I feel
like I find myself I I find it that it's
sounding like I'm making fun by trying
to defend it no no no I I'm genuinely
defending that it's a very reasonable
mistake to mistake raise your hand if
you ever confuse dollars or cents for
seconds cents for seconds Momo no never
classic I also I also in that episode I
I had I had a rough episode that that
episode with like blunders I I had uh I
said something um Placebo instead ofba
spba
yes here let's just play it uh and I
said CH what do you think of this idea
he says great idea I said can you build
me a website he says absolutely so then
I called my it's good to have a website
guy my got to have a website guy sh's
the best and so ill if kill is listening
in
Ukraine
Placebo
Placebo what' I say placeo that is great
Sly please do not edit that please put
subtitles Sly for the people who don't
speak that was amazing Russian to a
doctor no less he says Placebo he's not
a doctor he's my website
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guy the do so what can I what can I tell
you like in your defense by the way he
was cracking your neck in half before or
after no he did it after oh it's after
did it after maybe it was to release it
was to release some of the stress from
that
oh man listen it he almost took your
head off by the way yeah listen Joe
Biden has some hot mic moments and so do
I I'm a good I'm in good company you
know what it shows it just demonstrates
how this is not a performance this is
not like we just get in there we sit
down and we go Lodge 100% And like you
know um one day maybe we'll edit the uh
outtakes from you know speaking of
outakes we recorded an episode with
Rifka shotkin one of our uh most famous
part of our it was part of our shocking
shock and schin
series oh my gosh can we start a law
firm shocking shock and shmotkin
yes yes like have no we'll have no
licensed lawyers just like we'll just
make a law firm um that's amazing that's
awesome I like that shoten shoten
shutkin um injured call shoten anyway so
um we had Rifka shoten who's you know
her episode like has 100,000 views now
on YouTube it's really incredible she
her story she's been telling it around
the world world ever since that um but
that was a that was a fun morning she
was an amazing guest and like
um she was so vulnerable and and like we
could probably we could probably release
a whole other episode of what didn't
make it to the final edit in that
episode but it was all so good it was
all so fun I maybe we'll maybe we'll do
that one day anyways but she had so so
many things to say that were so eye
openening uh she had said a story about
um
a song that she was listening her her
father was explaining her to the
translation of the words nisho song was
it
luu oh no
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um don't be afraid of the pain right so
this this is this is the story that as
it happened you just see Hashem like how
he planned everything even years prior
just to make it easier for me and
there's also just little things that you
know like what are the odds but they
happen anyway and it's it's like amazing
um some things um the first my first
year anniversary of my accident was my
Hebrew birthday which kind of felt like
look at you you know you did a year
you're still alive you know that was
pretty cool um another thing that was
actually really amazing was um I have
this video of my dad he was one of iso's
songs um Lea he was translating it for
me me now my brother decided to take a
video for some reason and the length of
the video he goes hey guys and he turns
it to my dad and me and the words
um don't be afraid of the pain that was
just the length of the video it just you
know like little things you know like a
little hug you know here don't be afraid
of the pain you know don't worry that's
awesome yeah wow don't be afraid of the
pain are you afraid of the pain
sometimes it's scary but no so yeah like
this is literally I think she had
mentioned mere days before her accident
maybe a couple weeks before her accident
that that left her paralyzed from the
waist down and um she finds tremendous
comfort in seeing this and and and like
for her to even notice this right like
some massive life event happened to her
right becoming paralyzed and she was
able to say you know what like just days
before the accident when everything was
totally fine on this 5-second video of
her father in the background explaining
to her the translation of the words you
just hear in a 5-second video Don't Be
Afraid of the pain and you know what my
screen saver is
Momo do you
know I'm gonna
guess wow don't be afraid of the pain
with rifa shotkin little uh situation
over there don't be afraid of the pain
wow remember what we said to we said
sorry are you scared she like a little
bit but don't be afraid it's really
amazing and it's so appropo um to
everything to everything everyone who
even calls on mud him you know don't be
afraid of the pain it's it's such a good
point that you're making Naki because so
much of the work that that amudam does
requires people to sort of take that
step and we talk about it like it's it's
just don't be afraid of the pain but
when a person is living in the pain that
amudim deals with it's the hardest thing
in the world yeah to do it's the hardest
step to take it's the hardest emerge to
emerge and develop that willingness to
just encounter that pain in the
face yeah it's it it takes bravery it
takes courage
fear right fear can be can be understood
as an Acron
um fear can stand for flee everything
and run and Escape or it can be face
everything and recover I like that and
when you're when you're willing to face
that fear in the
face and face it and recover and not be
afraid of that pain and to embrace that
pain that's that's where recovery
happens yeah and obviously it's a lot
easier said than done but we've spoken
to many you know Mental Health
professionals on our podcast and I feel
like the biggest takeaway I have
is not minimizing the pain not
minimizing the struggle you it's it's
huge it's and it's something that's
happening but stare it in in the face
and and just sit with it and you will
you will get through it it might not be
today it might not be tomorrow you know
it reminds me of a video that's going
around I know you probably didn't see it
yet because you're not on WhatsApp Momo
or Instagram or anything social um
you're on iMessage so you only see the
top of the top videos yeah hit me up on
iMessage yeah hit M up on
iMessage um said 2006 anyways um there's
a video coming out of one of the
hostages that was being released um from
these Nazi hamnik and many many videos
that are coming out show um these
hostages they're obviously being you
know uh intimidated and told how to act
when they're leaving hamas's hands
they're being told to wave they're being
told to smile to give this facade that
they're being treated they were being
treated so nicely and they're sad to
lead their captors it it's a crazy
propaganda you even hear one of the
videos and Ben Shapiro had exposed this
the other day you hear one of the videos
one of the terrorists saying keep waving
keep waving to the camera it's all being
recorded but one Israeli woman came out
of the car the other day with it seemed
like her mother and she stared at the
terrorist in his eyes and did not blink
just stared at him in the eyes and
didn't blink and to me that was the I am
not scared of you we are not scared of
you you may have held us for 51 days you
may have murdered thousands of people
but we will win we are not scared of you
you will never break the spirit of the
Jewish people that's what that two
second stare did for me and it very much
goes into this message of don't be
afraid of the pain afraid of it I want
to stay I want to stay on that for a
moment and someone reached out to me um
rib zigger sh heed out to
me real guy have you ever met anybody
Goldberg or anything Momo like what's
up come
on oh it's funny
I after after we aired the episode with
Shawn bva yeah who who by the way just
like oh dude Sean yeah how are you Sean
what a guy what a guy what like what an
episode what a story what a guy shout
out to Nissen for finding Sean our
producer niss Gordon for
finda that's his first official shout
out but oh my gosh like I had no idea a
lot of people are asking me by the way
how did you find him how did you like
how do you get to him right yeah so
anyway he had
mentioned and may maybe you play the
clip I don't know how this works but he
mentions the story of where they beat
him up
in jail they beat him up with his hands
up 23
times yeah 23 times and you turn to me
and you're like Momo what's what's the
inion of 23 yeah what's the gatria yeah
and and I didn't know I I I I had no I
had nowhere to go with it serer harav
reaches out to me and he tells me that
23 is gatria cave pain ah cough
Al V is gatria 23 and that pain that he
experienced as we discussed with him is
exactly what he needed because it came
to him as a result of his his refusal to
boycott the program and had he done that
and had he not experienced that cave
that 23 that pain he would not have been
able to be transferred out of that jail
to move to to New York and meet uh and
meet sharashkin and see the of the and
that is also it's the
same like a father because the role the
role of a father is to teach the child
right and and Kaz say that anyone that
teaches someone T
ISU like he's a father that means that
the role of the father is critical in
teaching lessons to children and to
students and that's the function of pain
pain is there to be the cave is to Beav
to be like a father from which we're
able to learn from which we're a we're
able to internalize what message is the
abisher sending to us in this
predicament yeah even the painful ones
incredible just to close the parenthesis
on pain I heard a quote from somebody
Eric
Thomas um he says pain is temporary it
may last a minute May last a month it
may last a year if you quit however
it'll last
forever meaning don't stop you're you're
already you're already going through the
pain keep going and the it'll be part of
your success story God willing want to
talk about one of the guests we've had
on um his name is Mayor Weiss another
episode Meer Meer yeah did I say mayor
what's wrong with me um another episode
no he told us that it's interchangeable
it is okay yeah he told usable yeah so
but I know you've been you've been
becoming very heish of late
so yeah would something happen what do
you mean no I just I know you're
developing your cus big time oh a beard
right I I See
You by the way I think you should have a
beard
Momo interesting interesting I guess
we'll have to wait till s okay I guess
so anyways um mayor Weiss there's
something he said that was so profound
to me in the episode and here it is
at the end of the day you have a zida
that you can go to after this and you
could talk to him and you could say I
met mayor wise and he's a g and this I
don't have anything the responsibility
of building doas falls on my
shoulders that's not an easy thing to
carry and even even the more so when I
know that I'm not perfect and I need to
better myself and and I have traits that
I'm trying not to be like my father and
I want uh I want to be good to my kids
and the only way to be to be that good
father is is to be truthful and to to to
follow the truth because kids feel it
they feel it they sense it and that's
where life decisions change right
because
although I'm human
and I'm 26 everything's fine and voil I
have to think to myself I have to think
more maturely than others because I have
to think and I have to say mayor and
this is what I think
mayor what's going to be 5 10 years from
now what are you going to look like even
better what are your kids going to look
like so every decision that I take has
to be weighed accordingly
so there are a lot of things that I
don't partake in that I should partake
in because my is different I have to
look out for
things differently than the regular
person I before I had my my my two
daughters I used to ding every single
day please continue my
daughters extend and you'll see extend
one more one generation
more my second daughter the same thing
now
hopefully I'm going to still have kids
right
but help them extend their that's how
the tree is going to start
forming line in that episode to me was
like so sharp it was so it was so sharp
and was like I was looking at him like
dude he is he is like the aino in his
life M for his kids like he will have
God willing generations and generations
of Jewish Grand children and great
grandchildren and great great
grandchildren and it
started
from him
Nelson Nelson turn mayor turn
Meer unbelievable it's un it's
unbelievable to think about like how one
person's decision will change dyus the
trajectory of dyus mish and that mayor I
think he shared with us that his name he
chose the name mayor because of theum um
inating nature of light and how he's
bringing light to where there's a lot of
darkness and if I if I may pivot for a
moment on that theme um you know as we
sit here we anticipate the the light of
Kaneka and the light of
Kaneka illuminated a darkness in Greece
that was was so black it was so dark um
and
the despair was was just there it was it
was there for everyone um but the light
of Kaneka says that a little bit of
light can
dispel untold amounts of darkness and
what that reminds me of is one of our
guests
um not so much in in the in the
darkness in the way that we think of
like now for example in the the darkness
of of Kamas but in the
superficiality of the
facade of
Hollywood and our friend Ari
Blau I thought Ari was such a beacon of
light such a Hal the way he told us and
I think it's important for people to
realize where he was in terms of being
able to just like Coast through life
like he was in a place doing work on the
most successful late night show winning
Awards year after year and like so
easily able to just like I'm good like
to just Coast right through
this and the light of Tyra pierces every
single facade it's the nature of the
light of the Tyra it's another example
of darus being changed you know it's
it's
like Ari and and his and his and his
wife is Ritson who are living in ARL and
he's in
Yeshiva it's it's just like um honestly
people ask what's what like what's the
best thing about what you do it's like
meeting these people even if I never
released one episode or M even if we
never released one episode of this the
fact that we get to sit here and talk to
our MOA wer for 45 minutes after one of
the biggest tragedies you know F CL all
like that is a golden moment right there
it's a bonus it's an icing on the cake
the fact that we get to share it with
tens of thousands if not hundreds of
thousands of people I I love what you're
saying Naki because it's we are very
blessed in this way and I just want to
like share for whoever's curious the way
that episode came about like oh my gosh
it's it's it's this is how that episode
came about okay I was sitting in this
chair right here in my office with my
business partner hesaf and it's go back
further go back further what were we
supposed to be doing that day all right
we had we had a we me and Mom do we do
recording days right we we record three
episodes in one day so I come into the
office and we are going at it from um
9:00 am until probably 6:00 pm just
recording and we had a recording day
planned with three amazing guests the
day before I had I had some virus I
wasn't feeling well and this never
happened to me in in two and a half
years three years of recording I never
had to cancel like recordings besides
for once maybe but like um no but never
a full recording date never a full
recording day like because that's that's
that's like a real uh that's a real
struggle to to rearrange and we're still
working on it we're still trying to
rearrange all the pieces from that
recording day
anyways I had to
cancel and then it's like okay FMA and
then what happened Momo so so I'm
sitting in my office with my with my
partner and it's it's I don't know it's
72 hours after SRA it's like yeah we day
yeah it was right it was right after no
it must have been a Thursday really must
have been a yeah I'll tell you how I
know okay because because we're sitting
in the office and it's noon and we're
struggling with exactly the inion that
we ended up asking raoa Weimer which is
how do we focus on anything how do we
how do we look at emails how do we join
you know videos video calls for for work
while this is happening in ery St like
how do we assign any significance to
anything else that that was the struggle
we were having and we had a work meeting
we took it we had another one we took it
but then we had like an open hour on the
calendar and we're like looking at each
other and we're like What do we do and
we realized that Raa Weinberger is
giving his one o00 his SPID this year
in the asesh library so we look at each
other we're like let's go let's just go
and we pick up and we went to his sheer
and he gave us tremendous
tremendous and like for the first time
Mish
since I I felt some type of ability to
breathe an ability to have hope that
we'll be able to do a going forward and
to have some clarity with what our role
in this war is and I asked him I'll give
it to you granularly I asked him right
after he finished this Shear could we
could we just sit down and and record
something for this for this ma of shabas
and there were some like logistical
Manas and like we encountered those
Minas and I just said okay no problem
but M was immediately following and I
have to thank my my
partner he looked at me before he's like
Momo don't give up so fast don't you
need to sit down
wither after M and just figure it out
work through the Minas don't don't give
up so quick and and and he gave me the
the that I needed to follow up and to
pursue and as you remember we figured it
out he was going to a wedding he was
coming like we worked it out and we were
able to record that
episode it's crazy and it never would
have been possible prior like that you
know it wouldn't have happened and that
was our our first episode that we had
put out after you know what had
happened um and it was
wither RAB gold and and R manam liman
from ashalon um and it was it was a
strong episode it's one that gave again
like you know the marching orders or
mosinger had said which is you know
about his father his father was uh own
the cleaner
right and and he said he St here I'll
just play the clip my
father for many many many years he owned
a dry cleaning store in
Manhattan and it bothered me I never
spoke to him about it but it bothered me
a lot that a person who I looked up to
was the biggest sadic in the world that
my father was taking out like stains
from like some drunks you know suit it
bother me a lot that's what my father
does and and finally like remember one
time I just spoke to him a little bit
about that my father said to me the
following he he had very few words he's
not like me he just had a couple of
words my father
said that's what I do that's not who I
am who who I
am I'm your father I'm a Jew that's who
I am that's what I what I do I do that
so I can be a good father and I can be a
good Jew that's not who I am you have to
make a clear distinction who we are
right now we're one people that we're
filled with hope and we have a heart
like theah says one side is broken one
crying the other side is is laughing and
that's who we are we're Jews we're with
our brothers and sisters every single
moment of the day we're not M from them
right now the wants me to to do this not
to be this just to do this I can do this
because I need to do it hasm wants me to
be normal and not to fall apart and and
become a mish so I'm going to do this
but it never ever ever changes the
slightest bit of who I am it's what I do
but it's not who I am it's just amazing
to hear and his father was a holocaust
Survivor you know and again remember
said like he he had struggled the the
thought of his father cleaning clothing
all day you know like you're cleaning
Schmutz out of people's clothing his
father Tim was a sadic what I do is not
who I am you know exactly and also the
of course
theak has come up over and over for me
if if you want to get the best way to do
that is to be someone
else there's an there's a light that
returns back to the giver you give
someone it could be in the form of a
good word it could be in the form of of
a hug it could be a for in the form of
just a smile on the street as you're
walking by someone you never never never
never know and amudim knows this so so
well you never know what is going on in
someone's life the difficulty that
they're dealing with the challenge
that's on their plate the pain that
they're experiencing it it it doesn't
show up on their forehead it's just it's
not there and you never never know what
a smile can do to someone what a a word
can do to someone you absolutely have no
idea it could literally save their life
and I'm not being dramatic I'm not
exaggerating it could literally
literally save their
life you know a thing or two about that
don't
you everyone does everyone knows what it
means to to to be kind to someone else
and all it takes is a moment of
introspection yeah all it takes is a
moment of introspection take a moment
here's a challenge yeah let's use the
the challenge
challenge take a moment and think about
something that's going on in your own
life that most people don't know
about and now recognize that that person
that just cut you off on the street or
that person that just cut into the line
in Gourmet glot or that person that's
just
being unaware of their surroundings at
your
expense who knows what's going on in
their life and maybe they need a little
Grace and maybe they need a little
kindness It's it's so mindboggling when
when you contemplate how little we
really know about what's going on in
other people's lives and when we talk
about the concept of being done
someone it sounds like this like like
this big big a take a moment take a
moment to think about what's going on in
your life and apply that Grace to
someone
else yeah and even if it's not so heavy
you know like that person behind you in
in Central Avenue is honking you
profusely like maybe they have to go to
the bathroom like cut them some slack
move out of the way well I said n it's
well said like like just
like you think they want to be honking
you nobody wants to be honking like very
well said not a good move anyways uh
let's wrap up for today you you have
something maybe from in a different
episode I know one of your favorite
episodes was from Maly
Jacobs shout out to Joel Bess for
hooking that up Joel how are you dude
what what what do you think what what
stands out what I loved about sitting
down with Maly Jacobs is that a lot of
our
guests and I I shouldn't say a lot of
our guests but sometimes guests they
know that they're on the meaningful
people podcast yeah so they know that
like the Ava is to you know spread the
light and they're very very plugged in
to the helicity of their story and the
light that they can spread and they're
very quick to do that Mali Jacobs as you
know nahi this is not something that she
ever did this is not something that she
was ever you know looking to do Joel
Joel um like has been inviting her to do
this for a very long time and she
finally finally agreed to come and and
sit down and she was just so raw and so
authentic and so
real about her life and her experience
that there was just something that was
just so
moving I mean a few times I I I I I was
crying during the episode because
observing the process that she underw
of telling her story from the beginning
until present day and I think she had
shared that like she she hadn't done
that yeah in this like it it was it was
interesting you're right like many times
when we interview people they're a
little bit more um seasoned or more more
removed with their with their mindset
like they've told it before so they know
what they're saying I feel like Maly
closed her eyes when we hit record and
she didn't open them until we we
finished and she was as you said she was
emoting you know she was she was just um
she was just I don't I don't want to say
it's like a therap it was like a therapy
session but maybe it was you know but
it's one that for me it was for everyone
there it was honestly like you know I I
I've bumped into somebody the other day
they said they were sitting next to her
in a restaurant recently and they like
went over to her like she you know she
just and again like you said she didn't
know like oh I'm coming on the meet for
we podcast I need a she just came and
said her story and and um and she also
like she went through things in her mind
in front of us
like like uh I don't remember exactly
but I think there was a there was like a
nuda about life that we were talking
about like and we were go back and forth
on it you were challenging her she was
CH you know and it's like she was
talking about holding on to the
inspiration yeah that it can't just be
about the the five minutes of like the
Flash oh I'm inspired to do something
now like how do we hold on to that yeah
but it's it's like she she also is very
vulnerable she's like I don't have
everything figured out you know like
this is a work in progress and and uh
believe it or not that's a lot of our
guest that's all of us honestly if we
none of us are finished products and um
listen we want to give a big thank you
to amudim for giving us the opportunity
to talk to you today and we want to urge
all of you to support amudam because uh
they're doing work
that none of us want to be able be busy
with you know they're they're doing
they're doing such a service to the
entire
clly um so needed so necessary all over
the world right whether it's here
whether it's AR St no matter where like
no matter where it is they're helping so
many people um and we just want to make
sure they continue their incredible work
incredible incredible work that they're
doing it's it's really an honor to be to
be part of their aesh in this in this
small way and anyone that is familiar
with the work that they do they know how
critical and how
life-saving um and how halig their work
is and anyone that is not as familiar um
I invite you to take a minute to become
familiar and educate yourself on what is
going on within our community and I
think the times where we believed that
this was happening outside of our
community and where we can sort of buy
our head in the sand and pretend that
this doesn't exist um
I think over the years that's become a
thing of the past um and amudam is doing
such remarkable and critical work I
wanna if I have another moment Naki to
to throw something in as as AA we we
recently aired an episode with elip
poock yeah and she's doing amazing
amazing work Al also in in mental in the
mental health realm um with respect to
depression specifically um postpartum
depression and
we talked about a little bit about a
concept
called with her that the abisher is is
known as The Rock and his work is
complete hat and Po and the completeness
of the aer's work is that anything that
happens to a person of course we know
and we believe and we accept that that's
exactly the way Hashem wants it to be
for that person but what we sometimes
fail to acknowledge is that there is an
impact on other people in that person's
life and for example when a court of law
secular court of law uh sentences
someone to
something maybe they take into account
the family circumstances and the
sentencing guidelines but in the actual
you know punishment that they that they
Dole out it's about the person it's
about the guilty
party the
abisher is not
a and in his infinite capacity the aish
Dos out
precisely what is the the the customized
design for that individual person as
well as every other impact that it has
on that person's family on that person's
friends on that person's loved ones and
anyone that knows someone that's going
through this and anyone that is impacted
by the challenges that amudim deals with
on a daily basis they are all part of
the they're all part of the design of
the abisher that this person be going
through this and that it be part of your
life as well and that we can go through
these things together as a family
together as a community and this doesn't
have to be something that
individuals suffer and individuals
endure on their own but rather the this
can be something that we experience and
address and face as a community as a
family as a nation and that's actually
part of the the tactic that that sadik
can teach us to Merit to get out from
the other side of it because when you
attach yourself to others that creates a
more complex equation for hat and and
when a person is suffering on their own
on an island then that doesn't require
As Much from the abisher because what
the person that's being Afflicted is on
their own but when that person is part
of a group when that person is part of a
a when that person is part of a
community that experiences everything
together that raises the
bar and there's more kindness there's
more ra that's applied to that
scenario and that's how
we're yeah really
special beautiful um so thank you
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