Beis Yosef’s Famous Chanukah Question; A Historical Perspective.

[Music] welcome back Rabbi Dr elzar BR it is a for us to be here again with you again we're going through very hard times today this morning there was a terrible tragedy terror attack in Yim and we have to mention that and all the families that were involved should have a and the ones that were injured should have and we should only hear Mish so today's conversation sheer discussion is about arguably the most famous question ever asked in Jewish history known by anybody who has a connection to Kaneka and wants to have something to spoke about by their Kaneka family gatherings and that is the B Kasha why do you celebrate Kaneka for eight days so we are not going to be going through the over a thousand answers that have been collected in one safeer there BR could show us but we're going to be discussing the history of the question one of the things that we'll be discussing is the original question found in the b or perhaps it's found earlier and many other interesting facts around this question and the many answers that are given for this question and I don't think there's anybody better to give us a historical perspective on this question then the rabbi Doctor Who's with us today we would like to thank the sponsor of this episode Mr mha lonstein ofat ches who is sponsoring this episode in memory of shm Bena and deaso May have an Aliyah and we should all only hear and an end to what we're going through right now so Rabbi doctor how are you today okay so once again as we always mention if You' like to sponsor an episode please reach out to myself or Rabbi Dr leaz BR questions comments feedback like to get added to Rabbi br's lists ofarim and interesting articles that he sends out also please be in touch with br alzar br gmail.com okay so where do you want to begin okay so so we begin like this as as far as I know and I be happy to hear if I'm wrong it's the the most famous question with the most answers is the B there's no other question in Jewish literature which has received so much attention there are answers from everyone representing literally every possible style of learning whether jush with cabala you name it everything one person recently remarked to me that he thinks it's a I completely disagree with what he said and basically the beauty of this question is is it cuts through to the very essence of kanaka it through the question and one as one starts seeing the different answers one could see what was the what why do we have why is there kanaka and it leads to so many other questions about the about the Y that that all the talking about the beauty of the many different answers is seeing how T is literally endless each answer leads to deeper and deeper into understanding aspects tyus we can witness the minds of great thinking and trying to reconcile all the issues raised it's beyond app propose especially because this Yan is tied in with to have this kind of question with this Yanti and basically through that with springboards literally at every occasion people they're talking about whatever they're talking about somehow it answers up to B now in general Jewish literature places a great emphasis on a question a question many times helps bring out a point especially the give and take which this question certainly does remarkable is the detail start out of this whole story from of from a small in shabas basically they find the and everyone knows based on the simple reading of the gamar the was was not enough for eight days it was only enough for one night and everyone heard that growing up this gar from a very young age and basically is um and what happened is a ni happened and lasted for eight nights so because of that we have Kaneka for eight days every word of this gamar is analyzed skipping theim for a minute have a field day with just like any other gar if we go just to moving on to the we'll hear a little bit more about him soon so he wrote on the SM and he he's basically the starting point in the world of aim of people that handle all different a lot of the questions on on this starting from this gar he is the address to start with analyzing KHAK he's famous for there's another very famous question that's also a lot of answers that were given but nothing close to why was there necessary for there a famous question he's the earliest Source I believe that asked the question anyway so the M he starts off with a few pages of great material and from there on they handle those that had the m at least starting from the mar earlier and others they talk about him they talk about what they when they springboard off his questions to answer be M what he says now an exceptional example related to the mrai work is a say called This is a work from someone who was sort of a rebi of the much later on and his name was Rapaport he ends up in um learns by him on some levels not for now to discuss exactly but the point is he just takes this of the mrai and he has dozens of issues something like almost 50 issues where he's M unbelievable in every tag tag of thei who is going through the Bria in this small little BR okay now many years ago I picked up two beautiful that reprinted one was called nid from Aid a Lish AAG who died in 1825 and a called which also was a these are two devoted to they're not only deal they're dealing with the garas and the famous questions he's from 1810 and they're just they just remark how many different there are written on Kan throughout the ages fast forward I mean just go backwards it drops I mentioned already last year we gave a she a little bit about why there's no mention we spoke about a which is quoted right away in the the earliest source for khaka and we so this is also a saer completely devoted to Kana through the through dealing with aspects seeing through Al sorry not Al Sal he takes Sal and shows all h being in every word in the it's a very special unique saer not for now anyway the point is we fast forward open up from wrote wrote a cont published of three different times where he takes the gar the famous gamar OFA he analyz with all different questions a beautiful work and in recent years more and more Works come out just today I got another email of another work that came out earlier this week a different work and it's endless how many Works come out on KH but focusing on on our question of the Bas of why is there eight days so there's a famous AER called n from zeltzer and had collected 100 answers at a certain point in time in recent years a safer came had calleda which collected 500 answers this book is available on Hebrew Books there's an article about it someone wrote a review on this Farm blog about any years ago when it came out and more recently the which they're famous for doing collecting and everything so they decided to do the Su of they put out a massive work on the Su of KH and the back they have a whole beautiful countes specifically dealing with the bis KAS in a very orderly manner okay now more recently I think it's about two years ago a safer came out called was from this it seems to be from the introduction um he died before the saer was published but he worked for many years collecting material on the B Kasha collected a thousand through but the of the safer is for first of all is that he he he um he doesn't just collect answers he deals and analyzes each answer puts them into subsections because a lot of answers are going to be similar it's going to be different theudas and he doesn't beautiful job being M on them withus and he the the in the introduction they say that he didn't do through search engines and stuff like that he's sad and he track track track down sarum and he went through the sugus through many many years of research okay anyway so this and this safer basically has a thousand so that is available today on the market it's called okay just to mention I said there's a million out here so there's Adler he put out aov he also put out theun that I quoted earlier with a beautiful Edition with footnotes there's also a work called and there's another work from a REV ligher also all these are beautiful collections of material inaka anyway so next now focusing back to us the B KAS so it seems that the fact that people spending time answering the B's question on it's not a new thing Mar Rish Berlin in in the end of his work on tarum he writes when he was young already people the it was a known thing that people already then back in he dies in 1790s that to spend time answering the question of the B and he will see an answer that he gives um shortly okay anyway so we have theha which is what in the beginning of tning to say only the next part the seven days is the miracle but the actual first night there was enough oil according to the simple reading of the gamar for one night so that night's not an ace so why do we light eight days we should light for seven days that's that's the famous bis KAS we'll get back to shortly the B answer I my introduction to this question was when I was a um about nine my father told us to be on my way to SCH at one point I heard that sarba gave a different terets every night I don't know if that meant for all his life he gave a different TS if they were his own t t that he heard but he gave many T okay now um let's just point out um a bibliographical piece of information about this about the in Ciro is born around 1488 he dies around 1575 his work the which becomes the most famous of all his many works that he wrote is published in 1550 okay thisor is a massive incredible work collection of starting from and tons of material on each Simon and Simon and he attaches it to the tour and he also deals with cl Saka he pans and he had many manuscripts incredible amount of information um in the saer and through this it became actually the library for centuries for people to use now for the most part the work is work but in we find out of the ordinary he deals with some to different things and one of the questions he asks is this Kasha that he asks why is Kan even now this is not normally a question that has any halic bearings P yeah I'm sure some of the many different answers it gets into but he was not it's not so much fitting to in his work okay but he asked the question he has some other issues he talks about before this question T okay it could be as a suggestion is we find the r when he talks about the r had a tremendous impact on the has a few where he outlines some of the historical aspects of the before he gets into so maybe that's why here the chose to talk about okay anyway the the first is like this that the question that the B asked was asked earlier from him who asked the question earlier so we're going to see that many people asked the question earlier but most those people didn't know about but one person we know who asked the question right before him is the mrai we earlier just spoke about the mrai now the mrai is born around 1452 and dies in 1525 without getting into his history we know he was a great G not only famous for his Monumental incredible work on Rashi he was he wrote chis he was one of thear of his time he was not only was he he was also known to be a g in in other sciences and maths the famous story that they say on various different gum that they could look at a jar of let's say jelly beans and say how many Jelly Beans they say it on him already um which makes sense actually with his mathematical skills and obviously the way they test these gum is if they they they show them the jelly beans they say how many is it and then they say okay turn around and they take out one Jelly Bean and then they test him again and see if he knows it and supposedly according to the stories on the different test the different versions they okay anyway the he writes on this this published in 1520 so this is before the now in general the quotes the M many times including this work he quotes and he even has materials from the mrai that we don't have so he and the m is a very important person for him so it's very interesting the B already points out when he talks about says M he brings this down fine we find that the many already early on and later on also when they handle the question of they right away say and the such as and a long long list but anyway I don't know what happened was very very he quoted things from his sources this is a safer that he always used the point is that it's early on the the question and we're going to see two of the answers that b gives three answers two of the answers are are found already in the m so what are the answers to the question that the B asked so number one the Bas says like this famous answer is that they divided the oil into eight parts so there was enough for one night they divided it into eight and they only put in a small part and lo and behold the first morning they come andly see it's still lit so the nice was already the first night cuz when they put the amount of oil that they put in wasn't even enough to last for a whole night and it lit and stayed lit for the whole night so obviously there's a whole if your one's allowed to do that how why did they even do that um are you allowed to do that maybe they should have just done if they had enough for one night and then worry about the next day what to do this is already a de many many talk about another answer to says after they put in the oil what happens they look at the p and the p is still full so right away it was liquor this is the bet in a way this is a great answer because they didn't do anything they thought they were they were doing taka what I just said they lit they put in the a right amount of oil cuz that's what they had focus on what we have today sh is all of a sudden like they say the famous story there was a wine bottle or some form of of maska by the babaali and he would put a cover over it and pour it and no one ever saw him ever needed to be refilled he he was able to give drinks to hundreds of people so was and it was nicker on the first night the third answer says the B is on the first night they put in everything and then they come in the morning so again they went without Al that that you're supposed to just focus on the first night and what do they see the the candles are still full so already on the first night the N is nicker okay these are the three famous of the thei says number one the answer of that they were that they divided it which I said already people start handling it the mrai says it that they divided it now the mrai says throws in an extra line which is very important he says how much it's supposed to be so how could they go ahead and divide it says the key words so over here they were stuck they didn't know if they're gonna have so they divided it so this is an answer which against has Pages devoted to dealing with it and and many many people deal with it if you if this is true inami then he says a second which is also one of the of the that when they put it in they saw the P full so these so basically key answer number one that's that the B says and so to the m is that it was nicker the first night because they divided it so there wasn't even enough for to go through one night and then all of a sudden they see the next morning and the second answer which is said by the m and the B is what that um that they that they put in K and then they look at the oil the bottle that they used to pour it is full okay anyway interestingly enough before the M before the B the Marik who is important for both of them says this answer of the division but the Marik was only published his notes on the smack were only published in 1970 by anyway so we so we're already seeing is that gives an answer M as earlier than now does the question always is do ask the questions so everyone knows um at one point or another you heard that if it's a good Kasha you'll find that ask it or they should ask it if you don't find that something's wrong now that's good enough for me but it's always if we find earlier turns out there's going to be and that's going to be the course of the next little bit is as follows from based on a Gear so found in the schs there's going to be an answer from the safer which is the D after the riff from the eshkol which is 1158 he dies REM 1210 AR 1250 sais who's Dar ran the rush the and that's the same author the the all ask this question and give different answers so we see that this question that the had was a question that people were dealing with now in most cases or in all the case almost every single case the B did not have these works so there's no question why the say didn't bring down these okay so most of these Works actually were printed in our lifetime fromis was printed by BL theuk was printed bya there's ailan tyus that asked it he's printed by who M so three of the three of the already three of the that handle this question are only printed very recently um and we'll see some more shortly anyway in general to before we go further is the writes in an entry about something else he says a lot of times when you learn you will be able to see that a lot of times the things that it's and so it's very extra and he's talking about in his time that he was to see so many different and everything so we see that the so here start handling all of a sudden Our Generation so I said if people have problems how could you divide it up the whole thing and throws in that it's not Le already he says like this so we see we have a strong like the of and similar says it and goes with this and even the gis goes like this and interestingly enough a marak from another weird marak so to speak there's a cont on Kan called from early M and this great M actually yes and ker he also goes with this answer he says it two times in the of his that was published from manuscript only the first time in 1984 also an early rean that talks about other things in the country he says this so we see that for to go with this Mahal that what they divided eight into eight and it ended up being lit for the whole night so they sold the N the first night okay have some other answers but for the most part Rush his answers mirror exactly the b b did not have the tus rush now the M who asks it and says it interesting had it many times but it seems he probably did it anyway one other answer given by the one other two other from is like this who also we now know is the author of The he brings down this question and he says two answers and we'll see more about them soon one is because there was from the that the were so he doesn't say how that answers the question we'll see that that we'll see more about how that answers the question as we go further he also brings down that the says we know there was various Gaz on during this period of time one of them was so has nothing to do with even the is removing it from okay fine so so basically we're seeing that this question was asked by different and as I said most for the most part B doesn't have it who ask this question he just says he's agreeing that maybe he was only seven days but just we made it longer to to to have a is there going to be a possibility where could that even be we'll see possibly for the remen also now the who also to ask this question he says that people say different things that they split it they nearly they comes out they're relying on a a the first night how could they do that so obviously he might argue on the nuda of if you're allowed to divided or not or whatever but this is for the Tyra for for not for now and another says is that we're we why we have the the first night is for the first night is on the finding of the that was a right we didn't find any other oil so this in a way a lot of people like this ter of the other people say it is so there's two there's the first day the N the first day which is of the that is its own right miracle and the second the rest of the seven days is it ca it ended up being lit remaining lit for a much longer period of time okay interestingly enough one last early source that deals with it is the maral the maral who's a younger contemporary of the B he dies he has he dies at 169 and he both in his D his his work on Mitzvah and also in his um was only printed in the 60s he answered similar to the ter was they taka divided it up so we see that it's very interesting that at least for many many early sources the the the Mahal was that they divided up into eight parts okay now just to throw out there is that sometimes say things and then people are in them unbelievable um and one such is there's aan that based on how the ran explains thear chabas some a different aspect he's not asking the he's dealing with the whole aspect of was why was it with and what's the so he shows from the he's M the of the ranin shows that he's is coming to really answer up to B similar to B Kasha um but that's not for now okay now so basically this is so the first step where now we finished one part which is basically very simple asked the question there's an answer but didn't have almost any of these the only one that he he he seemed to have had was but um he might have had a manuscript kba he seems to have had but okay but the point is so it's not any problems whatsoever that he didn't quote it because normally we said he quotes all these R all the time okay now let's go to the next Mahal the next Mahal is a very famous Mahal and that is the schas the Schult pretty much seems to die somewhere around 755 it's a in written mostly Aramaic of it seems he was writing for his kid and it's a massive work um that was published we actually had an episode where we discussed u a lot of different aspects about it with Rish Berlin and the influence of Rish Berlin's Parish on Bas matter of the but anyway the point is you open up and around all of a sudden there's two long all about asked the question that he's handling so he says he throws out that so ready starting ready earli on to talk about anyway turns out that that there was not only two Jas of the of the sh there's really three anyway all us sudden at the end of the parish at the end of the work on khaka as far as we have it in the published version we find the and the is talking about it says there wasn't even enough oil for even one day and they put in whatever they had and it stayed lit for how long for eight days says Berlin in his Parish on on he says unbelievable the Sim that I got through this okay so because the point is that that there's different m in the G not like the M that we all learned as children that they found enough oil at least for one night there wasn't even enough for one night okay so that now interestingly enough I'm just going to go very fast and say like this the the many people were very they were very very happy when they came across this gear of the shus I would venture to say this is perhaps the most famous shus that's found amongst regular people because most people don't really crack the sh this often but this ge especially to be long long list of famous people that went with the answer um who's the earliest so the already points out there a workel that was printed in 1732 he already points to this sh to answer up the question now now the point is the doesn't have the shelter that's the so there's no problem with the because he would have noticed this type of thing I would have brought it anyway the brings us in his work which we're gon to get back to sorry we get back to shortly now not everyone had it especially in Eastern Europe recently I came across letter that he B he didn't even have a he had to borrow from someone there's a lot ofas behind that Story one day we'll get to tell it anyway there's a printed in 1790 his writes that how do we answer he has a few different samples one of them is this there's even that the gr said this that based on that the gr said this okay I mentioned in told over there over there his work told in a work theel in his says this so all these people use this the the the now interestingly enough is the brings his work because who handles this and deals with it at Great length his uncle the nav in his he doesn't even mention he doesn't even mention that the we're going to see does not accept that this is the correct gear in the shus okay now ready now that leads us to the next point is this the correct gear in the shus so already the for examplein was on that there's a in sh and he's going to come up with an answer which we'll get to in a moment today we have multiple of the shus and it turns out that there's a third sh even if you want to accept that this is the correct in this shus who said that that's what he means but let's go with um let's move there for a second it turns out there's two pieces in shils where clearly he goes with our gar that what happened there was enough sh for one night and this is the in the sh earlier in the shus and then there's a new new material of of a new shus that was only more recently discovered that even the NV did not have which also says like our geara that there was enough for one night so the question is what do you do when you have such a thing you have possibly two shes that say like AAR one not okay so um without getting into all the details about it Theus as a says the there was a lot there's a lot of manuscripts there's a lot of mistakes in it so it's very possible after everything even though he he goes back and forth at the end his Mas is there's a printing mistake and it's not answer to the B it's like that's what it really meant to say sorry and so to the and we're gonna get back to the to understand the at a later in a few minutes but just to say what and other people give all different of alander in his there's a work called from the son early work under shus they all tried to be Mas the in in shus because at one point he seems to go like our gamar that there was enough for one day says the rabish Berlin after he discusses his Sim that he had ah you gonna ask me earlier on the shst that he that he talks about it sounds like Alamar he says no that they found enough oil and he says his words are that um hold on what happens is when you pour into another container a little stays in the bottle so it ends up being that there's not enough and that and that that's that's what it means so what what it comes out a remarkable that the that they found enough oil for one night and if you look this bottle had an exact amount but when you pour everyone knows when you pour from a bottle into something a little bit you don't get out all of it so that remains and that makes it so that was the that's the n and that's how Mas so one point it's talking about what in the battle there was enough but by the time you pour it in you lose out a little so and that little makes the difference this is what he says then says um he does not like this nuda you would find this in the gar this whole this whole that they that that was the that was the whole difference okay but the has another Mahal to deal with it and he but he basically assumes that there's a printing mistake in the shelters we're going to get back to it in a moment so one of the things is like this when they want to bring a Raya for for for for such a geara we always look do we have anyone else that has such a geara turns out there's a eshal the eshal has the gear says the sh and it says like the the the Way's all happy about and the way long list of that I said that there wasn't enough for one night so what do you do okay he points to this sh to to this it just had come out while he was working on it and um and his beautiful work brings down his and others F brings down from the what's the significance it turns out it became a big tummel many years later that it's a forgery if it's a forgery then you can't bring aah from the es okay this is its own story it's called known as the story of the es forgery that um L if one wants to see interesting material about deals with a few times inar but it was there was there was a legitimate claim that it might be a forgery so that goes we can't bring AA from that that this is the correct in the sh is there any other the answer is they bring and already is incredibly raim also has the Gea like the way the shst that there wasn't enough even for one night that would be great we now have not one re the shst we have the problem is says the don't bring me rise from is full of mistakes okay just want to focus for one minute and point out that over here she's incredible and over here the fact something that I mentioned briefly in the by the fact he traveled to dozens of places and he saw so many in all different places he was able to be as they say way ahead of the game he was able to see sparm that no one else was seeing so in his work over here he saw he sees the he brings a kafi which we're going to get to what shortly what the plar kafi both say he deals with an old different he knows about the shus he knows about who's the First Source in the this re work on he um he he's with the but he says the the B should are full of mistakes okay now um so the point is that the the the the by the fact that he traveled he literally he was the for him was a very important work he brings it dozens of times in his um and so and he even lists in his list of when he read which years he read the shus which turn turns out was in 1784 178 1783 1784 for me that was very bad cuz I wanted it to be later on I wanted to be after bishai Berlin publishes it which was in 1786 but the answer is knew about it before Rish Berlin um wrote about it in his Countess so he publishes it first he gets kill in the academic world you go who gets the of finding the first but furthermore which addition of the of the sh the sorry did the did the have it turns out we have a list of his Li although publishes in the recent edition of the his Library they're missing this information in a more complete list which was published way before he had the first edition of the shus so he doesn't need to come on to the 1786 of Rish Berlin but he does get Rish Berlin's parish and he likes it and he comments about it anyway moving on the point is that there was a there's a geara from the schultes there's um and as I said already R tries to reconcile the the and other have others to answer up to but the and the they say it's a printing mistake and you cannot rely on the geara of the schs okay now the question which a lot of people ask and a lot of people deal with is what's this why was this oil have in it from the that it has do we find that there was other oils or any oil had to have so here there's a fascinating cha in the where he brings from someone um I think it's some liit had and then the who saw it also saw which we spoke about the sh onki and the and the grasshoppers that basically is that when the when the K would bring carbonis every day he had to have special oil so this was not oil that was for the Mana this was oil for the carbon of the K and this T oil was a little less than then the amount necessary for the oil of the Mana so then so then depending this might even be able to be able to use to answer up with the um okay and the sh beautiful says that son told him this answer but he he said and he even brought in the sh but he it seems he writes in parentheses that he doesn't know what his father said about bringing a ria from the shus at the end of the day at the end of the day held not to bring a say it seems like at first he was all excited similar to and then afterwards as he more things um hit him he decided it's not a good answer okay now interestingly enough and this gets us to a interesting nuda with very briefly is as follows okay forget about this Theory let's go that the Gea is correct so there's a great giant that wrote a on this is written by so he talks about the and then he says I can accept it why not because we find like our G which is that there was enough for one night so what's he talking about is the answer is that there's and again this is its own long Shear which we're not going to go into I'm just going to say in one minute there's there's something known as there's also something known as so much so that early sources we find M and many many sources for Generations it was read on Kaneka when is it from is it earlier than but we it's very possible it's even earlier than but is handling with thisor he relies on it he wrote about it and there in one of the additions in the safer one of the recent additions to the published Byer his he has a long list of that use this word work this Milla and Tak is like there's a lot of information um um about this Milla just to mention very briefly the from D he has a bunch of pieces handing because this m was red so he has all different his handles and a more recent times the professor sperber they all deal with different aspects of the it's possible even that this is a source for some rambs in the beginning of okay even inim says he's handling about he says there's another reason why kanah is eight days because which might be this this might be the it might really be that it's another which we will get to shortly right we'll get to right now and that is that the earliest about Kana are um the is the sa makab sa makab Mak Al and sa makab B we're not going to get into the whole long history about it but we will say that recent years saw a beautiful edition of has fromer Goldberg and others that one could rely on it one could learn it and use this we'll have some quotes we'll have one or two sites about it shortly and basically these are from people at the time of KHAK so you want so open it up right away see how they talk about the N of Kana so without getting into the whole story they don't even talk about the miracle of khaka of As We Know It of the finding the they referred to that they made eight days of and it talks about in because there was there were eight days of in the which is its own story what it is which also Beyond early work when it talks about it it brings connection to suus now none of them talk about finding sh and it's being lit for eight days interestingly enough I just said says he he's tiing it up so therefore there's some connection between it so what's happening is there's nothing to do with finding of Shem at all in these obviously it's his own story we're not going to go into okay now let's lead to the last Bunch last answer that we'll be discussing today and this gets into um one more two ear more early sources said he's very bothered so um about is a I said in the SCH so what is how does learn it up so in his Masterpiece called him he says maybe they didn't even like the Mana why not because everyone was T so what did they do so the nav suggests that um they had a Mana of eights based on and um they use special sh so now so they when they use the P which P were they using it seems they might have even lit in the P itself they didn't even make it might not have been a special man um because of the T okay the nav has his whole he has a um he talks about it and the question is is the what what in the world is referring to okay so the answer is like this let's we we'll go like this there's a an early these are is this FS there's a we're going to call it the and the we find we're getting we're getting towards the we're getting towards the this basically the last Mahal for us for today as follow the says it says why do we like because of sh of barzel that they found eight of them and because of that we light eight candles what what's even going on so already his incredible P points to what do you mean open up your Mill Tinus have a Mill's Tinus handy and you'll see that you know who asked this question one of our earliest works the Tinus millus begins and this is identical to the BR he spoke a little bit about last year when I spoke about first it talks about it talks in aric it says and talks about the first thing then it talks about then it says like this brings then it says who's asking that question the millas Tinus is asking this question then it says I don't understand why you asking that question you just told me that it was not enough to light eight days and a lift for eight days so you why are you asking this question answer is no and this is already the on the Mill's Tinus point to in the millus we see the B I'm pretty sure did not have a mill Tinus and if you open up your Mill's Tinus you see that they're asking the B Kasha what and it's talking about it links it to of of it was only seven days it was only seven days so why is different says the the says what says they built working eight days they found seven so it's it's fascinating what's going on here is it because of the or not so so obviously requires and there's a ton of ink has been spilled to be M and to understand this Mill's tin is where it's coming from but what's clear is that it's linking a whole new story to besides for the that everyone knows that they found there's another and this is already what seems to really sorry is that's what the the is really being to and which we also spoke about in the also a new discovery of and he brings down the question brings by then he asked the question he brings the whole thing the point is [Music] that so what's the is about which already gets back to what do we find in the so so comes out that there's a combination of multiple things that are happening and the different days are in memor for different things one has to learn very carefully this mig's Tinus and and similarly Thea with how he learns it up just to list the the millus is published as early on as 1513 um so technically the B could have seen it it already gets perim later on as 1659 and onwards and we now have addition of which has all the pro in one handy volume the point is like this many say when they ask them about say open up M's theill perest ask the question now you have to understand how does it answer the question it's very that's that I'm agreeing already there some type of thing which is totally in this Orel and there was a special nce and how it's being lit and and all that come out from it and is it there's all different answers and all different that are going on based on thisa and this m Mill's kindness just to point out a list very fast theer Yak from the thez Yuda R Berlin May davidi the the the of all them point to the Mill's Tinus that this is where the Bas KAS is already asked it's very hard to understand it you have as I said and the besides for the handles it at length handles it and we have in Chas already points to if you look in the he says he brings down he says that asked the question it's a whole different story of what the N of is about so to be conclude also in in shabas and also that also deals with these aspects so basically is like this to conclude is the asked the question as I said the the M also asked the question and a long list of asked question question at one point there was a because there's a pass GE in the sh and and some people were there waser in the gear in the schas but the point is if we have the schas it changes our understanding of the N of that what that even on the first night they didn't have enough to light whereas as you go further we see that not only possibly could be a if the sh if you want to accept the gear from the shus you have how to read which is very share but the the but the point is that there a migil Tinus and between that and Thea their way way earlier mig's Tinus again is its own discussion how to date the Miguel's Tinus how to date the different parts of Miguel's Tinus but we see that the B Kasha was a Kasha that was asked and struggled with for centuries and centuries way before the that the didn't have so he couldn't have answered the question just to conclude the last sentence and this is relating to where you saying the and um and the brings down alander says in a different way from just to say it is that the point was that on um that on that the had a different special this is to emphasize what's the because it was a different type of oil it wasn't oil for the man and the would keep special oil which would be close to the shear but not to the exact shear and the point is it was um according to one of how they say this piece of TI was this is in in the winter nights so then it came out it didn't last as much so but ker there was enough oil maybe possibly for normal period of time and that's when the K stored it etc etc anyway the point is a lot to talk about there all these things are just scratching the surface just to give a little bit of um historical aspects behind some of the very to show that this question was a question that possibly and even as far back as K were dealing with this question way back wow that is incredible and if that's just scratching the surface I can't even imagine what else is out there um yeah so would you like to share something before you uh conclude conclude share a book okay so the file maybe something that's relevant to this oh should should we do something relevant to this wait one second khaka okay um should we do something khah do I have something handy Hana wait wait wait okay we'll deal with okay so which we said this is it looks like this basically it came out in 198 in in um 2020 and it's very interesting reading the the yid who wrote wrote it his name is was it seem to be a a tremendous who sat and learned for years with different it talks all about it his kids put it out for him after he died has very including the famous the famous Dy it seems he learned in his and I don't know why V got him attracted to Kan per say he had worked on other projects but he started to collect the material of Kaneka on the Bas Kasha but what he does is literally he goes through everything so let's say he's going to talk about the B the firsts so the first we spoke about that says he splits it so he has Pages where he starts handling first I'll show youash asks it which we spoke about then he has dozens of footnotes where he brings all different um that handle it and then he sets up what are the issues and he has very clear M um breaks it up with paragraphs things you can find very easy to use if you're just looking for a specific you want to see did anyone ask this PR on this of the so very very Mis and pages and pages and you're you're seeing everything in here is just but what the of the saer I feel is it's very very sadly I only was I knew about the safer a while ago but I did not use this for the preparation of this year and only got it a day um I only found was able to get it a day or two ago it was not in stock in the stores I only got it literally a day or two ago so I could not sit down and properly use it to see if I could pull anything for the shear but looking through it um after my preparations we're literally talking about close to 800 900 pages on it with a nice thorough and and he also lists out ones he's talking about even he puts them into subtopics that answers how they answer the B Kasha but and then through that at the end he does have some um other famous questions with some answers and he even has a list of the that he used for the safer and a sort of a to help one um find it buter if one is interested say Kasha some people might find it's too much a thousand tum that's already head head's going to spin so but it seems it's sold from what I recall it sold very well um in the past two years that it's out so where could you get it now it's available in the stores in America I think it is it should be I'm saying it it was already this week already was found in certain stores I um I think it should be available um it's not out of print it was found in regular stores here also before we close out do you want to theorize why this question you know everything needs masle right why this question become the question the most famous question that's talked about I I I I have this your question is an excellent question and that's why I even said what I said in the begin beginning that I don't know why basically like this off the cough you could say is like this people have a lot of time people have Gatherings um you know people are still in Yeshiva part time so as a kid you you know you have the Kana party and then someone gets up to give the and the Su of are very so it seems they learned to we have the famous B has on and it's clear from collections of material that as I mentioned already I quoted two earlier one called it was it was a thing to do to write on the I'm not talking about the we talking about just and um so was a time that on one hand we find more upset because people took sort of a I think there's a that was very anti very anti it on the other hand there was a time that some people say because is a connection to should be many many it's only shers they get off for a while so there was a lot of time so because of a lot of time it generated that this is a it's an easy question even the question is it's also it's a it's a perfect question for all ages a little kidha and and then when you see the Deep complicated then you see that even a deep person like I'm saying to B and all of a sudden you start let's he open up to say or whatever the shst like I say yeah the sh said yeah is it shst let's check the geara let's handle the Gea oh but you don't know that you know as I said I gave an example even theun mindboggling to see how this work just takes the M on all the questions but handling even the B Eight Pages of what he's doing unbelievable so so I think is that it appealed to people as a time you know it's like a light question you don't have to know any pre you don't have to know anything before let's say sitting at a suda so at a suda you don't have to know something a lot of times a guy could start talking to you learning and you have you're learning a different M you just nod your you do the it's called the yes Yesa nod you know yeah yeah I know exactly you're talking about you have no idea what the guy's talking about here's a question that anyone you don't have to be holding anything what are you holding about and then all guy guy in brisk he knows is from K he has what to say Tyrus he has what to say whatever so maybe that's part of the appeal and that it also that it gets to so many different people and so many different levels could come up with answers even my father told me when I was nine so I was able to understand something about it but anyway I like what you're saying any good answers I would love to hear what you're saying that it brings out the beauty of T that toyra is so deep and so wide it could talk this question literally talks to the smallest child you know three four years old to the oldest oldest person you know with the depth of of T and like you said it covers the breath of T right like you said wow Kim Tyrus nikin everything it's also the Styles if let's see you like you like this V and that's how some okay sometimes is obviously forced like when you're hearing a speech it's talking about one say and yet so there is an exaggeration already today but as I said Rish Berlin writing in the 1780s is saying that there was extra Sim to be were humbling to answer this I just came across this now I never I never saw quoted by anyone so there was you mentioned earlier also about the S I've heard about I think other Rabb every night it was a pull saying on the big I'm sure the CBG I'm sure if I I didn't see that it came out but I bet that if it didn't it's going to come out that they take all the tires that the cenbg arav said in every one of his of kanuk he probably has who knows how manyak for the B I have no doubt okay once again let's thank the spaner rosstein who dedicated this podcast this and any questions comments suggestions feedback please email either myself sch.org or Rabbi br elazer br gmail.com have a wonderful day