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Beis Yosef’s Famous Chanukah Question; A Historical Perspective.
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[Music]
welcome back Rabbi Dr elzar BR it is a
for us to be here again with you
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a and the ones that were injured should
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hear
Mish so
today's conversation sheer discussion is
about arguably the most famous question
ever asked in Jewish history known by
anybody who has a connection to
Kaneka and wants to have something to
spoke about by their Kaneka family
gatherings and that is the B Kasha why
do you celebrate Kaneka for eight days
so we are not going to be going through
the over a thousand answers that have
been collected in one safeer there BR
could show us but we're going to be
discussing the history of the question
one of the things that we'll be
discussing is the original question
found in the b or perhaps it's found
earlier and many other interesting
facts around this question and the many
answers that are given for this question
and I don't think there's anybody better
to give us a historical perspective on
this question then the rabbi Doctor
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begin okay so so we begin like this as
as far as I know and I be happy to hear
if I'm wrong it's the the most famous
question with the most answers is the B
there's no other
question in Jewish literature which has
received so much attention there are
answers from everyone representing
literally every possible style of
learning whether jush with cabala
you name it everything one person
recently remarked to me that he thinks
it's
a I completely disagree with what he
said and basically the beauty of this
question is is it cuts through to the
very essence of kanaka it through the
question and one as one starts seeing
the different answers one could see what
was the what why do we have why is there
kanaka and it leads to so many other
questions about the about the Y that
that all the talking about the beauty of
the many different answers is seeing how
T is literally endless each answer leads
to deeper and deeper into understanding
aspects tyus we can witness the minds of
great thinking and trying to reconcile
all the issues raised it's beyond app
propose especially because this Yan is
tied in
with to have this kind of question with
this Yanti and basically through that
with springboards literally at every
occasion people they're talking about
whatever they're talking about somehow
it answers up to B now in general Jewish
literature places a great emphasis on a
question a question many times helps
bring out a point especially the give
and take which this question certainly
does remarkable is the detail start out
of this whole story from of from a small
in
shabas basically they find the and
everyone knows based on the simple
reading of the gamar the was was not
enough for eight days it was only enough
for one night and everyone heard that
growing up this gar from a very young
age and basically is um and what
happened is a ni happened and lasted for
eight nights so because of that we have
Kaneka for eight days every word of this
gamar is
analyzed skipping
theim for a
minute have a field day with just like
any other gar if we go just to moving on
to
the we'll hear a little bit more about
him soon so he
wrote on the SM and he he's basically
the starting point in the world of aim
of people that handle all different a
lot of the questions on on this starting
from this gar he is the address to start
with analyzing KHAK he's famous for
there's another very famous question
that's also a lot of answers that were
given but nothing close to why was there
necessary
for
there a famous question he's the
earliest Source I believe that asked the
question anyway so the M he starts off
with a few pages of great material and
from there on they handle those that had
the m at least starting from the mar
earlier and others they talk about him
they talk about what they when they
springboard off his questions to answer
be M what he says
now an exceptional example related to
the mrai work is a say called This is a
work from someone who was sort of a rebi
of the much later on and his name
was Rapaport he ends up
in um learns by him on some levels not
for now to discuss exactly but the point
is he just takes this of the mrai and he
has dozens of issues something like
almost 50 issues where he's
M unbelievable in every tag tag of thei
who is going through the Bria in this
small little
BR okay now many years ago I picked up
two beautiful that reprinted one was
called nid from Aid a Lish AAG who died
in 1825 and a
called which also was a these are two
devoted to they're not only deal they're
dealing with the garas and the famous
questions he's from 1810 and they're
just they just remark how many different
there are written on Kan throughout the
ages fast forward I mean just go
backwards it drops I mentioned already
last year we gave a she a little bit
about why there's no mention we spoke
about
a which is quoted right away in the the
earliest source for
khaka and we so this is also a saer
completely devoted to Kana through the
through dealing with aspects seeing
through Al sorry not Al Sal he takes Sal
and shows all h
being in every word in the it's a very
special unique saer not for now anyway
the point is we fast forward open up
from wrote wrote a cont published of
three different times where he takes the
gar the famous gamar OFA he analyz with
all different questions a beautiful work
and in recent years more and more Works
come out just today I got another email
of another work that came out earlier
this week a different work and it's
endless how many Works come out on KH
but focusing on on our question of the
Bas of why is there eight
days so there's a famous AER called n
from zeltzer and had collected 100
answers at a certain point in time in
recent years a safer came had calleda
which collected 500 answers this book is
available on Hebrew Books there's an
article about it someone wrote a review
on this Farm blog about any years ago
when it came out and more recently the
which they're famous for doing
collecting
and everything so they decided to do the
Su of they put out a massive work on the
Su of KH and the back they have a whole
beautiful countes specifically dealing
with the bis KAS in a very orderly
manner okay now more recently I think
it's about two years ago a safer came
out
called was
from this it seems to be from the
introduction um he died before the saer
was published but he worked for many
years collecting material on the B Kasha
collected a thousand through but the of
the safer is for first of all is that he
he he um he doesn't just collect answers
he deals and analyzes each answer puts
them into subsections because a lot of
answers are going to be similar it's
going to be different theudas and he
doesn't beautiful job being M on them
withus and he the the in the
introduction they say that he didn't do
through search engines and stuff like
that he's sad and he track track track
down sarum and he went through the sugus
through many many years of research okay
anyway so this and this safer basically
has a
thousand so that is available today on
the market it's
called okay just to mention I said
there's a million out here so there's
Adler he put out aov he also put out
theun that I quoted earlier with a
beautiful Edition with footnotes there's
also a work called and there's another
work from a REV ligher also all these
are beautiful collections of material
inaka anyway so next now focusing back
to us the B KAS so it seems that the
fact that people spending time answering
the B's question on it's not a new thing
Mar Rish Berlin in in the end of his
work on tarum he writes when he was
young already people
the it was a known thing that people
already then back in he dies in 1790s
that to spend time answering the
question of the B and he will see an
answer that he gives um shortly okay
anyway so we have theha which is what in
the beginning of
tning to say only the next part the
seven days is the miracle but the actual
first night there was enough oil
according to the simple reading of the
gamar for one night so that night's not
an ace so why do we light eight days we
should light for seven days that's
that's the famous bis KAS we'll get back
to shortly the B
answer I my introduction to this
question was when I was a um about nine
my father told us to be on my way to SCH
at one point I heard that sarba gave a
different terets every night I don't
know if that meant for all his life he
gave a different TS if they were his own
t t that he heard but he gave many T
okay now um let's just point out um a
bibliographical piece of information
about this about the
in Ciro is born around 1488 he dies
around
1575 his work the which becomes the most
famous of all his many works that he
wrote is published in
1550 okay thisor is a massive incredible
work collection
of starting
from and tons of material on each Simon
and Simon and he attaches it to the tour
and he also deals with cl Saka he pans
and he had many manuscripts incredible
amount of information um in the saer and
through this it became actually the
library for centuries for people to use
now for the most part the work is work
but in we find out of the ordinary he
deals with some to different things and
one of the questions he asks is this
Kasha that he asks why is Kan even now
this is not normally a question that has
any halic bearings P yeah I'm sure some
of the many different answers it gets
into but he was not it's not so much
fitting to in his work okay but he asked
the question he has some other issues he
talks about before this question T
okay it could be as a suggestion is we
find the r when he talks about the r had
a tremendous impact on
the has a few where he outlines some of
the historical aspects of the before he
gets into so maybe that's why here the
chose to talk about okay anyway the the
first is like this that the question
that the B asked was asked earlier from
him who asked the question earlier so
we're going to see that many people
asked the question earlier but most
those people didn't know about but one
person we know who asked the question
right before him is the mrai we earlier
just spoke about the mrai now the mrai
is born around 1452 and dies in
1525 without getting into his history we
know he was a great G not only famous
for his Monumental incredible work on
Rashi he was he wrote chis he was one of
thear of his time he was not only was he
he was also known to be a g in in other
sciences and maths the famous story that
they say on various different gum that
they could look at a jar of let's say
jelly beans and say how many Jelly Beans
they say it on him already um which
makes sense actually with his
mathematical skills and obviously the
way they test these gum is if they they
they show them the jelly beans they say
how many is it and then they say okay
turn around and they take out one Jelly
Bean and then they test him again and
see if he knows it and supposedly
according to the stories on the
different test the different versions
they okay anyway the he writes on this
this published in 1520 so this is before
the now in general the quotes the M many
times including this work he
quotes and he even has materials from
the mrai that we don't have so he and
the m is a very important person for him
so it's very interesting the B already
points out when he talks about
says M he brings this
down fine we find that the many already
early on and later on also when they
handle the question of they right away
say and the such
as and a long long list but anyway I
don't know what
happened was very very he quoted things
from his sources this is a safer that he
always used the point is that it's early
on the the question and we're going to
see two of the answers that b gives
three answers two of the answers are are
found already in the m so what are the
answers to the question that the B asked
so number one the Bas says like this
famous answer is that they divided the
oil into eight parts so there was enough
for one night they divided it into eight
and they only put in a small part and lo
and behold the first morning they come
andly see it's still lit so the nice was
already the first night cuz when they
put the amount of oil that they put in
wasn't even enough to last for a whole
night and it lit and stayed lit for the
whole night so obviously there's a whole
if your one's allowed to do that how why
did they even do that um are you allowed
to do that maybe they should have just
done if they had enough for one night
and then worry about the next day what
to do this is already a de many many
talk about another answer to says after
they put in the oil what happens they
look at the p and the p is still full so
right away it was liquor this is the bet
in a way this is a great answer because
they didn't do anything they thought
they were they were doing taka what I
just said they lit they put in the a
right amount of oil cuz that's what they
had focus on what we have today sh is
all of a sudden like they say the famous
story there was a wine bottle or some
form of of maska by the babaali and he
would put a cover over it and pour it
and no one ever saw him ever needed to
be refilled he he was able to give
drinks to hundreds of people so
was and it was nicker on the first night
the third answer says the B
is on the first night they put in
everything and then they come in the
morning so again they went without Al
that that you're supposed to just focus
on the first night and what do they see
the the candles are still full so
already on the first night the N is
nicker okay these are the three famous
of the thei says number one the answer
of that they were that they divided it
which I said already people start
handling it the mrai says it that they
divided it now the mrai says throws in
an extra line which is very important he
says how much it's supposed to be so how
could they go ahead and divide
it says the key
words so over here they were stuck they
didn't know if they're gonna have so
they divided it so this is an answer
which
against has Pages devoted to dealing
with it and and many many people deal
with it if you if this is true inami
then he says a second
which is also one of the of the that
when they put it in they saw the P full
so these so basically key answer number
one that's that the B says and so to the
m is that it was nicker the first night
because they divided it so there wasn't
even enough for to go through one night
and then all of a sudden they see the
next morning and the second answer which
is said by the m and the B is what that
um that they that they put in K and then
they look at the oil the bottle that
they used to pour it is full okay anyway
interestingly enough before the M before
the B the Marik who is important for
both of them says this answer of the
division but the Marik was only
published his notes on the smack were
only published in 1970 by anyway so we
so we're already seeing is that gives an
answer M as earlier than now does the
question always is do ask the questions
so everyone knows um at one point or
another you heard that if it's a good
Kasha you'll find that ask it or they
should ask it if you don't find that
something's wrong
now that's good enough for me but it's
always if we find earlier turns out
there's going to be and that's going to
be the course of the next little bit is
as follows from based on a Gear so found
in the schs there's going to be an
answer from the safer which is the D
after the riff from the eshkol which is
1158 he dies REM 1210 AR 1250 sais who's
Dar ran the rush the and that's the same
author
the
the all ask this question and give
different answers so we see that this
question that the had was a question
that people were dealing with now in
most cases or in all the case almost
every single case the B did not have
these works so there's no question why
the say didn't bring down
these okay so most of these Works
actually were printed in our lifetime
fromis was printed by BL theuk was
printed bya there's ailan tyus that
asked it he's printed by who M so three
of the three of the already three of the
that handle this question are only
printed very recently um and we'll see
some more shortly anyway in general to
before we go further is the writes in an
entry about something else he says a lot
of times when you learn you will be able
to see that a lot of times the things
that it's and so it's very extra and
he's talking about in his time that he
was to see so many different and
everything so we see that the so
here start handling all of a sudden Our
Generation so I said if people have
problems how could you divide it up the
whole thing and throws in that it's not
Le already
he says like this so we see we have a
strong like the of and similar says it
and goes with this and even the gis goes
like this and interestingly enough a
marak from another weird marak so to
speak there's a cont on Kan called from
early M and this great M actually yes
and ker he also goes with this answer he
says it two times in the of his that was
published from manuscript only the first
time in 1984 also an early
rean that talks about other things in
the country he says this so we see that
for to go with this Mahal that what they
divided eight into eight and it ended up
being lit for the whole night so they
sold the N the first
night
okay have some other answers but for the
most part Rush his answers mirror
exactly the b b did not have the tus
rush now the M who asks it and says it
interesting had it many times but it
seems he probably did it anyway one
other answer given by the one other two
other from is like
this who also we now know is the author
of The he brings down this question and
he says two answers and we'll see more
about them soon one is because there was
from the that the
were so he doesn't say how that answers
the question we'll see that that we'll
see more about how that answers the
question as we go further he also brings
down that the
says we know there was various Gaz on
during this period of time one of them
was so has nothing to do with even the
is removing it from okay fine so so
basically we're seeing that this
question was asked by
different
and as I said most for the most part B
doesn't have it who ask this question he
just
says he's agreeing that maybe he was
only seven days but just we made it
longer to to to have a is there going to
be a possibility where could that even
be we'll see possibly for the remen also
now the who also to ask this question he
says that people say different things
that they split it they
nearly they comes out they're relying on
a a the first night how could they do
that so obviously he might argue on the
nuda of if you're allowed to divided or
not or whatever but this is for the Tyra
for for not for now and another says is
that we're we why we have the the first
night is
for the first night is on the finding of
the that was a right we didn't find any
other
oil so this in a way a lot of people
like this ter of the other people say it
is so there's two there's the first day
the N the first day which is of the that
is its own right miracle and the second
the rest of the seven days is it ca it
ended up being lit remaining lit for a
much longer period of time okay
interestingly enough one last early
source that deals with it is the maral
the maral who's a younger contemporary
of the B he dies he
has he dies at 169 and he both in his
D his his work on Mitzvah and also in
his
um was only printed in the 60s he
answered similar to the ter was they
taka divided it up so we see that it's
very interesting that at least for many
many early sources the the the Mahal was
that they divided up into eight parts
okay now just to throw out there is that
sometimes say things and then people are
in them
unbelievable um and one such is there's
aan that based on how the ran explains
thear chabas some a different aspect
he's not asking the he's dealing with
the whole aspect of was why was it with
and what's
the so he shows from the he's M the of
the ranin shows that he's is coming to
really answer up to B similar to B Kasha
um but that's not for now okay now so
basically this is so the first step
where now we finished one part which is
basically very simple asked the question
there's an answer but didn't have almost
any of these the only one that he he he
seemed to have had was but um he might
have had a manuscript kba he seems to
have had but okay but the point is so
it's not any problems whatsoever that he
didn't quote it because normally we said
he quotes all these R all the time
okay now let's go to the next Mahal the
next Mahal is a very famous Mahal and
that is the schas the Schult pretty much
seems to die somewhere around 755 it's a
in written mostly Aramaic
of it seems he was writing for his kid
and it's a massive work um that was
published we actually had an episode
where we discussed u a lot of different
aspects about it with Rish Berlin and
the influence of Rish Berlin's Parish on
Bas matter of the but anyway the point
is you open up
and around all of a sudden there's two
long all
about asked the question that he's
handling so he says he throws out
that so ready starting ready earli on to
talk
about anyway turns out that that there
was not only two Jas of the of the sh
there's really three anyway all us
sudden at the end of the parish at the
end of the work on
khaka as far as we have it in the
published version we find the and the is
talking about it
says there wasn't even enough oil for
even one day and they put in whatever
they had and it stayed lit for how long
for eight days says Berlin in his Parish
on
on he says unbelievable the Sim that I
got through this
okay so because the point is that that
there's different m in the G not like
the M that we all learned as children
that they found enough oil at least for
one night there wasn't even enough for
one night okay so that
now interestingly enough I'm just going
to go very fast and say like this the
the many people were very
they were very very happy when they came
across this gear of the shus I would
venture to say this is perhaps the most
famous shus that's found amongst regular
people because most people don't really
crack the sh this often but this ge
especially to
be long long list of famous people that
went with the answer um who's the
earliest so the already points out there
a workel that was printed in
1732 he already points to this sh to
answer up the question now now the point
is the doesn't have the shelter that's
the so there's no problem with the
because he would have noticed this type
of thing I would have brought it anyway
the brings us in his work which we're
gon to get back to sorry we get back to
shortly
now not everyone had it especially in
Eastern Europe recently I came across
letter that he B he didn't even have a
he had to borrow from someone there's a
lot ofas behind that Story one day we'll
get to tell it anyway there's
a printed in
1790 his writes that how do we answer he
has a few different samples one of them
is
this there's even that the gr said this
that based on that the gr said this okay
I
mentioned in
told over
there over there his work
told in a
work theel in
his says this so all these people use
this the the the now interestingly
enough is the brings his
work because who handles this and deals
with it at Great length his uncle the
nav in his he doesn't even mention he
doesn't even mention that the we're
going to see does not accept that this
is the correct gear in the shus okay now
ready now that leads us to the next
point is this the correct gear in the
shus so already the for examplein was on
that there's a in sh and he's going to
come up with an answer which we'll get
to in a
moment today we have
multiple of the shus and it turns out
that there's a third sh even if you want
to accept that this is the correct in
this shus who said that that's what he
means but let's go with um let's move
there for a second it turns out there's
two pieces in shils where clearly he
goes with our gar that what happened
there was enough sh for one night and
this is the in the sh earlier in the
shus and then there's a new new material
of of a new shus that was only more
recently discovered that even the NV did
not have which also says like our geara
that there was enough for one night so
the question is what do you do when you
have such a thing you have possibly two
shes that say like AAR one not okay so
um without getting into all the details
about it Theus as a says the
there was a lot there's a lot of
manuscripts there's a lot of mistakes in
it so it's very
possible after everything even though he
he goes back and forth at the end his
Mas is there's a printing mistake and
it's not answer to the B it's like
that's what it really meant to
say sorry and so to the and we're gonna
get back to the to understand the at a
later in a few minutes but just to say
what and other people give all
different of
alander in his there's a work
called from the son early work under
shus they all tried to be Mas the in in
shus because at one point he seems to go
like our gamar that there was enough for
one day says the rabish Berlin after he
discusses his Sim that he had ah you
gonna ask me earlier on the shst that he
that he talks about it sounds like
Alamar he says no that they found enough
oil and he says his words
are that um hold on what happens is when
you pour into another container a little
stays in the bottle so it ends up being
that there's not enough and that and
that that's that's what it
means so what what it comes out a
remarkable that the that they found
enough oil for one night and if you look
this bottle had an exact amount but when
you pour everyone knows when you pour
from a bottle into something a little
bit you don't get out all of it so that
remains and that makes it so that was
the that's the n and that's how Mas so
one point it's talking about what in the
battle there was enough but by the time
you pour it in you lose out a little so
and that little makes the difference
this is what he says then says um he
does not like this nuda you would find
this in the gar this whole this whole
that they that that was the that was the
whole difference okay but the has
another Mahal to deal with it and he but
he basically assumes that there's a
printing mistake in the shelters we're
going to get back to it in a moment so
one of the things is like this when they
want to bring a Raya for for for for
such a geara we always look do we have
anyone else that has such a geara turns
out there's a eshal the eshal has the
gear says the sh and it says like the
the the Way's all happy about and the
way long list of that I said that there
wasn't enough for one night so what do
you do
okay he points to this sh to to this it
just had come out while he was working
on it
and
um and his beautiful work brings down
his and others F brings down from the
what's the significance it turns out it
became a big tummel many years later
that it's a
forgery if it's a forgery then you can't
bring aah from the es okay this is its
own story it's called known as the story
of the es forgery that um L if one wants
to see interesting material about deals
with a few times inar but it was there
was there was a legitimate claim that it
might be a forgery so that goes we can't
bring AA from that that this is the
correct in the sh is there any other the
answer is they bring and
already is incredibly
raim also has the Gea like the way the
shst that there wasn't enough even for
one night that would be great we now
have not one re the shst we have
the problem is says the don't bring me
rise
from is full of mistakes okay just want
to focus for one minute and point out
that over
here she's incredible and over here the
fact something that I mentioned briefly
in the
by the fact he traveled to dozens of
places and he saw so many in all
different places he was able to be as
they say way ahead of the game he was
able to see sparm that no one else was
seeing so in his work over here he saw
he sees the he brings a kafi which we're
going to get to what shortly what the
plar kafi both say he deals with an old
different he knows about the shus he
knows about who's the First Source in
the this re work on he um he he's with
the
but he says the the B should are full of
mistakes
okay now um so the point is that the the
the the by the fact that he traveled he
literally he was the for him was a very
important work he brings it dozens of
times in
his um
and so and he even lists in his list of
when he read which years he read the
shus which turn turns out was in 1784
178 1783 1784 for me that was very bad
cuz I wanted it to be later on I wanted
to be after bishai Berlin publishes it
which was in 1786 but the answer is knew
about it before Rish Berlin um wrote
about it in his Countess so he publishes
it first he gets kill in the academic
world you go who gets the of finding the
first but furthermore which addition of
the of the sh the sorry did the did the
have it turns out we have a list of his
Li although publishes in the recent
edition of the his Library they're
missing this information in a more
complete list which was published way
before he had the first edition of the
shus so he doesn't need to come on to
the 1786 of Rish Berlin but he does get
Rish Berlin's parish and he likes it and
he comments about it anyway moving on
the point is that there was a there's a
geara from the schultes there's um and
as I said already R tries to reconcile
the the and other have others to answer
up to but the and the they say it's a
printing mistake and you cannot rely on
the geara of the schs okay now the
question which a lot of people ask and a
lot of people deal with is what's this
why was this oil have in it from
the that it has do we find that there
was other oils or any oil had to
have so here there's a fascinating cha
in the where he brings from someone um I
think it's some liit had and then the
who saw it also
saw which we spoke about the sh onki and
the and the grasshoppers that basically
is that when the when the K would bring
carbonis every day he had to have
special oil so this was not oil that was
for the Mana this was oil for the carbon
of the K and this T oil was a little
less than then the amount necessary for
the oil of the Mana so then so then
depending this might even be able to be
able to use to answer up with the um
okay and the
sh beautiful says that son told him this
answer but he he said and he even
brought in the sh but he it seems he
writes in parentheses that he doesn't
know what his father said about bringing
a ria from the shus at the end of the
day at the end of the day held not to
bring a
say it seems like at first he was all
excited similar to and then afterwards
as he more things um hit him he decided
it's not a good answer okay now
interestingly enough and this gets us to
a interesting nuda with very briefly is
as
follows okay forget about this Theory
let's go that the Gea is correct so
there's a great giant that wrote
a
on this is written
by so he talks about the and then he
says I can accept it why not
because we find like our G which is that
there was enough for one night so what's
he talking about
is the answer is that there's and again
this is its own long Shear which we're
not going to go into I'm just going to
say in one minute there's there's
something known as there's also
something known
as so much so that early sources we find
M and many many sources for Generations
it was read on
Kaneka when is it from is it earlier
than but we it's very possible it's even
earlier than
but is handling with thisor he relies on
it he wrote about it and there in one of
the additions in the safer one of the
recent additions to
the published Byer his he has a long
list of that use this word work this
Milla and Tak is like there's a lot of
information um um about this Milla just
to mention very briefly the from D he
has a bunch of pieces handing because
this m was red so he has all different
his handles and a more recent times
the professor sperber they all deal with
different aspects of the it's possible
even that this is a source for some
rambs in the beginning of okay even
inim says he's handling about he says
there's another reason why kanah is
eight days
because which might be
this this might be
the it might really be that it's another
which we will get to shortly right we'll
get to right now and that is that the
earliest about Kana
are um the is the sa makab sa makab Mak
Al and sa makab B we're not going to get
into the whole long history about it but
we will say that recent years saw a
beautiful edition of has
fromer Goldberg and others that one
could rely on it one could learn it and
use this we'll have some quotes we'll
have one or two sites about it shortly
and basically these are from people at
the time of KHAK so you want so open it
up right away see how they talk about
the N of Kana so without getting into
the whole story they don't even talk
about the miracle of khaka of As We Know
It of the finding the they referred to
that they made eight days of and it
talks about
in because there
was there were eight days
of in
the which is its own story what it is
which also Beyond early work when it
talks about it it brings connection to
suus
now none of them talk about finding sh
and it's being lit for eight days
interestingly enough I just said
says he he's tiing it
up so therefore there's some connection
between it so what's happening is
there's nothing to do with finding of
Shem at all in these obviously it's his
own story we're not going to go into
okay now let's lead to the last Bunch
last answer that we'll be discussing
today and this gets into um one more two
ear more early sources said he's very
bothered so um about is a I said in the
SCH so what is how does learn it up so
in his Masterpiece called him he says
maybe they didn't even like the Mana why
not because everyone was
T so what did they do so the nav
suggests that um they had a Mana of
eights based
on and um they use special sh so
now so they when they use the P which P
were they using it seems they might have
even lit in the P itself they didn't
even make it might not have been a
special man um because of the T okay the
nav has his whole he has a
um he talks about it and the question is
is the what what in the world is
referring to okay so the answer is like
this let's we we'll go like this there's
a an
early these
are is this FS there's a we're going to
call it the and the we find we're
getting we're getting towards the we're
getting towards the this basically the
last Mahal for us for today as follow
the
says it
says
why do we like because of sh of barzel
that they found eight of them and
because of that we light eight candles
what what's even going on so
already his incredible
P points to what do you mean open up
your Mill Tinus have a Mill's Tinus
handy and you'll see that you know who
asked this question one of our earliest
works the Tinus millus begins and this
is identical to the BR he spoke a little
bit about last year when I spoke
about first it talks about it talks in
aric it
says and talks about the first thing
then it talks
about then it says like
this brings then it
says who's asking that question the
millas Tinus is asking this question
then it
says I don't understand why you asking
that question you just told me that it
was not enough to light eight days and a
lift for eight days so you why are you
asking this question answer is no and
this is already the on the Mill's Tinus
point to in the millus we see the
B I'm pretty sure did not have a mill
Tinus and if you open up your Mill's
Tinus you see that they're asking the B
Kasha what and it's talking about it
links it to of
of it was only seven
days it was only seven
days so why is different says the the
says what
says they
built working eight
days
they found
seven so it's it's fascinating what's
going on here is it because of the or
not so so obviously requires and there's
a ton of ink has been spilled to be M
and to understand this Mill's tin is
where it's coming from but what's clear
is that it's linking a whole new story
to besides for the that everyone knows
that they found there's another and this
is already what seems to really sorry is
that's what the the is really being to
and which we also spoke about in the
also a new discovery of and he brings
down the
question
brings by then he asked the
question
he brings the whole
thing the point is
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that so what's the is about which
already gets back to what do we find in
the so so comes out that there's a
combination of multiple things that are
happening and the different days are in
memor for different things one has to
learn very carefully this mig's Tinus
and and similarly Thea with how he
learns it up just to
list the the millus is published as
early on as
1513 um so technically the B could have
seen it it already gets perim later on
as 1659 and onwards and we now have
addition of which has all the pro in one
handy volume the point is like this many
say when they ask them about say open up
M's theill perest ask the question now
you have to understand how does it
answer the question it's very that's
that I'm agreeing already there some
type of thing which is totally in
this
Orel and there was a special nce and how
it's being lit and and all that come out
from it and is
it
there's all different answers and all
different that are going on based on
thisa and this m Mill's kindness just to
point out a list very
fast theer Yak from the thez Yuda R
Berlin May davidi the the the of all
them point to the Mill's Tinus that this
is where the Bas KAS is already asked
it's very hard to understand it you have
as I said and the besides for
the handles it at length handles it and
we have in Chas already points to if you
look in the he says he brings down he
says that asked the
question
it's a whole different story of what the
N of is about so to be
conclude also in in shabas and also that
also deals with these aspects so
basically is like this to conclude is
the asked the question as I said
the the M also asked the question and a
long list of asked question question at
one point there was a because there's a
pass GE in the sh and and some people
were there waser in the gear in the
schas but the point is if we have the
schas it changes our understanding of
the N of that what that even on the
first night they didn't have enough to
light whereas as you go further we see
that not only possibly could be a if the
sh if you want to accept the gear from
the shus you have how to read which is
very share but the the but the point is
that there a migil Tinus and between
that and Thea their way way earlier
mig's Tinus again is its own discussion
how to date the Miguel's Tinus how to
date the different parts of Miguel's
Tinus but we see that the B Kasha was a
Kasha that was asked and struggled with
for centuries and centuries way before
the that the didn't have so he couldn't
have answered the question just to
conclude the last sentence and this is
relating to where you saying the and um
and the brings down alander says in a
different way from just to say it is
that the point was that on um that on
that
the had a different special this is to
emphasize what's
the because it was a different type of
oil it wasn't oil for the man and the
would keep special oil which would be
close to the shear but not to the exact
shear and the point is it was um
according to one of how they say this
piece of TI was
this is in in the winter nights so then
it came out it didn't last as much so
but ker there was enough oil maybe
possibly for normal period of time and
that's when the K stored it etc etc
anyway the point is a lot to talk about
there all these things are just
scratching the surface just to give a
little bit of um historical aspects
behind some of the very to show that
this question was a question
that possibly and even as far back as K
were dealing with this question way
back wow that is
incredible and if that's just scratching
the surface I can't even imagine what
else is out
there um yeah so would you like to share
something before you uh conclude
conclude share a book okay so the file
maybe something that's relevant to
this oh should should we do something
relevant to this wait one second
khaka okay um should we do something
khah do I have something handy Hana wait
wait wait okay we'll deal
with okay so which we said this is it
looks like
this basically it came out in 198 in in
um
2020 and it's very interesting reading
the the yid who wrote wrote it his name
is was it seem to be a a tremendous who
sat and learned for years with different
it talks all about it his kids put it
out for him after he died has
very including the
famous the famous Dy it seems he learned
in his and I don't know why V got him
attracted to Kan per say he had worked
on other projects but he started to
collect the material of Kaneka on the
Bas Kasha but what he does is literally
he goes through everything so let's say
he's going to talk about the B the
firsts so the first we spoke about that
says he splits it so he has Pages where
he starts handling first I'll show
youash asks it which we spoke about then
he has dozens of footnotes where he
brings all different
um that handle it and then he sets up
what are the issues and he has very
clear M um breaks it up with paragraphs
things you can find very easy to use if
you're just looking for a specific you
want to see did anyone ask this PR on
this of the so very very Mis and pages
and pages and you're you're
seeing everything in here is just but
what the of the saer I feel is it's very
very sadly I only was I knew about the
safer a while ago but I did not use this
for the preparation of this year and
only got it a day um I only found was
able to get it a day or two ago it was
not in stock in the stores I only got it
literally a day or two ago so I could
not sit down and properly use it to see
if I could pull anything for the shear
but looking through it um after my
preparations we're literally talking
about close to 800 900 pages on it with
a nice thorough and and he also lists
out ones he's talking about even he puts
them into subtopics that answers how
they answer the B Kasha but and then
through that at the end he does have
some um other famous questions with some
answers and he even has a list of the
that he used for the safer and a sort of
a to help one um find it buter if one is
interested say Kasha some people might
find it's too much a thousand tum that's
already head head's going to spin so but
it seems it's sold from what I recall it
sold very well um in the past two years
that it's out so where could you get it
now it's available in the stores in
America
I think it is it should be I'm saying it
it was already this week already was
found in certain stores I um I think it
should be available um it's not out of
print it was found in regular stores
here also before we close out do you
want to theorize why this question you
know everything needs
masle right why this question become the
question the most famous question that's
talked about I I I I have this your
question is an excellent question and
that's why I even said what I said in
the begin beginning that I don't know
why basically like this off the
cough you could say is like this people
have a lot of time people have
Gatherings um you know people are still
in Yeshiva part time so as a kid you you
know you have the Kana party and then
someone gets up to give
the and the Su of are very so it seems
they learned to we have the famous
B has on
and it's clear from collections of
material that as I mentioned already I
quoted two earlier one
called it was it was a thing to do to
write on the I'm not talking about
the we talking about just and um so was
a time that on one hand we find more
upset because people took sort of a I
think there's a that was very anti very
anti it on the other hand there was a
time that some people say because is a
connection to should
be many
many it's only shers they get off for a
while so there was a lot of time so
because of a lot of time it generated
that this is a it's an easy question
even the question is it's also it's a
it's a perfect question for all ages a
little kidha and and then when you see
the Deep complicated then you see that
even a deep person like I'm saying to B
and all of a sudden you start let's he
open up to say or whatever the shst like
I say yeah the sh said yeah is it shst
let's check the geara let's handle the
Gea oh but you don't know that you know
as I said I gave an example even theun
mindboggling to see how this work just
takes the M on all the questions but
handling even the B Eight Pages of what
he's doing unbelievable so so I think is
that it appealed to people as a time you
know it's like a light question you
don't have to know any pre you don't
have to know anything before let's say
sitting at a suda so at a suda you don't
have to know something a lot of times a
guy could start talking to you learning
and you have you're learning a different
M you just nod your you do the it's
called the yes Yesa nod you know yeah
yeah I know exactly you're talking about
you have no idea what the guy's talking
about here's a question that anyone you
don't have to be holding anything what
are you holding about and then all guy
guy in brisk he knows is from K he has
what to say Tyrus he has what to say
whatever so maybe that's part of the
appeal and that it also that it gets to
so many different people and so many
different levels could come up with
answers even my father told me when I
was nine so I was able to understand
something about it but anyway I like
what you're saying any good answers I
would love to hear what you're saying
that it brings out the beauty of T that
toyra is so deep and so
wide it could talk this question
literally talks to the smallest child
you know three four years old to the
oldest oldest person you know with the
depth of of T and like you said it
covers the breath of T right like you
said wow Kim Tyrus nikin everything
it's also the Styles if let's see you
like you like this V and that's how some
okay sometimes is obviously forced like
when you're hearing a speech it's
talking about one say and
yet so there is an exaggeration already
today but as I said Rish Berlin writing
in the 1780s is saying that there was
extra Sim to be were humbling to answer
this I just came across this now I never
I never saw quoted by anyone so there
was you mentioned earlier also about the
S I've heard about I think other Rabb
every night it was a pull saying on the
big I'm sure the CBG I'm sure if I I
didn't see that it came out but I bet
that if it didn't it's going to come out
that they take all the tires that the
cenbg arav said in every one of his of
kanuk he probably has who knows how
manyak for the B I have no doubt okay
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rosstein who dedicated this podcast
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