WAS TOLD NOT TO FAST ON YOM KIPPUR - CAN I GET AN ALIYA? Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

We're holding now between Sam Gdali and Yam Kipper Muva. A while back we spoke I believe it was here in the morning ky about somebody who's not fasting could he get an aliyah. It was yesterday and of course it's there are people that don't fast. They can fast. Could you give them an aliyah? Might be a little bit nega you know. Could you give them could they get an aliyah? So just real briefly a tinus in general. The says say to wash it inside says doesn't mean that it's a means that it's a it's a that the is bringing that it's not like a it's not like all say it's somebody that's not fasting can't get an aliyah says that if the tiness is on a Monday and a or a Thursday like let's say yesterday was on a Thursday so then the since anyways so maybe you get an aliyah. In other words, the reason why the person can't get an ali who's not fasting cuz he it's it's it's a the is here because of the fasting and if you're not a person's not fasting, he's not part of the tus can't get an aliyah or >> one second. So on it's very good on on let's say this pad Thursday or any time that falls out on a Monday and a Thursday that anyways there would have been it's true that the ka is a creatur of a but would have been there anyways you could get an ali even though the ka is aa of but would have been there anyways as opposed to if The tiness is during the week not on a Monday or a Thursday. So if you wouldn't be a tinist, you'd be no satra. Now there is the ka is only for the tiness. If the person's not fasting, he can't get an aliyah. And the same would be also if a person's not fasting, you can't get an aliyah. >> Someone's fasting in the morning though. I mean he he only plans on breaking his tus. >> Good good sha. Good shil. You want to know if somebody's only fasting part of the t if he knows he's going to break his fast later. That's a discussion for itself. We spoke about it in that she and I'm really not going to focus in this morning she tess in general. We're going to focus on yipper but good point in tinus in general is a full sh the only reason I brought in this is just to recap to recap and you'll soon see why I brought in this mo as well also but we're really not going into hilness in general if you could get an aliyah the says you can't. The says on a Monday and a Thursday you could not the other days not brings argue on the it's not so posh it's not so posh that a person can get even on a Monday and a Thursday yeah I'll Monday Thursday. He says, "Of course, if somebody was called up, of course, he could he could be." [Music] Like I just said, we're not going to be focusing on a general tinyness. Of course, there's a lot to talk about. You brought up very well. What happens if a person knows for sure he's going to break his fast later? What happens if a person's not sure if he's going to make it till the end of the highness? That's a good discussion. We're going to go right into Yam Kipper. What happens if somebody is not fasting? Yum Kipper he he cannot fast can fast and maybe he's not allowed to fast and the rot is is that he shouldn't fast. He's not fasting. Could the person get an aliyah and it's neg it's a person that could be he feels that he wants to be for him or it's an older person a respectable person a person or a shashiva he's old he's not fasting that's the reality he's not fasting could he get an aliyah so the first thing it's important to note the says that if somebody's eating that's not considered eating and he can get an aliyah. So the whole discussion that we're going to speak about today for the next couple of minutes is only somebody that has to eat fully. Somebody that's just eating shim meaning to say is only a little bit at a time like we spoke in previous over here that is when you eat enough to calm you down. If you eat a little bit that doesn't relax you just a little to just to stay alive that's not where the it's but it's not the over if a person eats only minimal of course they also is a separate discussion when A person could have a a doctor. But if a person eats shim, he could still get an aliyah. What happens if a person has to eat fully? Yes, he eats fully. The doctor says he has to eat to be able to for his for his to stay alive. Whatever the he has to the says he has to eat. Could he get an aliyah? So we we just mentioned before the moan of that even on a regular fast day if the fast day is on a Monday or a Thursday for you get an aliyah. So this year is on a Thursday. So technically organism this year when falls on a Thursday which is when is on a Thursday. So this is a very uncommon thing to be on a Thursday though could also fall on a Monday. So this discussion of somebody not fasting to get an aliyah on shakaya even on a Monday but for this year to get an aliyah I'll al get an aliyah cuz shakas doesn't matter which meaning cuz normally we have three alias on a mother Thursday for chabas then I'd say sure it doesn't make a difference because we'd have seven we'd add on but kipper you're going to have I think it's >> yum kipper six alias so if yum kipper It's interesting you're saying it's in the Santa point you bring up interesting thing but I'm saying you should need to get >> the first three alias interesting interesting interesting I hear the same >> one second what you're saying is just for the people that are listening to the recording you're saying that based off the rom that you could be on a Monday and a Thursday so you're wondering maybe only the first three alias [Applause] So you're part of any but it's interesting. Could you only be maybe just the first three like every Monday and a Thursday? What were you saying? >> It sounds like maybe the the was different than time is the same. >> Oh very good. Very good. That's what we're going to get to. Very good. Very good. Very good point. Going to get to that to see that is completely different. But so far we want to know could a person be on your kipper and we said it could be al of every tus on a Monday or Thursday it could be but that would be shakus when it's a Monday and a Thursday theamifer has a chuva the following chuva he writes he says this is his ch is actually not for yam kipper it's for tishov but we'll see it's applicable maybe even a kohk but it's applicable as well. Theamifer starts the the chu like this. He says that this year I'm not well and I'm going to need a drink on tishov. My are going to want to give me an aliyah. So he wants to know am I going to be able to get an aliyah? That's how he starts the chuva and he answers yes I could get an aliyah and he says the following he says three reasons why he could get aliyah one of the reasons we actually mentioned in a re in a recent when we spoke about the first he says is the following this that the says that a person who's not fasting cannot get an aliyah He says it's not a gor it's a reish that says it the mik and he says the mik is talking about not every tinus the mik is talking about a tinus that the sber brought on themselves maybe bahab or even let's say these thes and the brought on a tinus over there if the person's not fasting he's not part of it for an example yesterday. Even if a person's not fasting, it's still galia. If it's brings on a tinus, okay, so if the person's not fasting, he's not part of the tur. Maybe he has a good reason, but he's not part of the turdal. The other timidalia, it's still a tinus gadalia. the person happens to be can fast. Furthermore, in this first he expands a bit more and he says not only is the person part of the fast even if he's not fasting he's totally part of the fast. If a person could get away just eating not drinking. So then he's not allowed to do both. And if a person just needs to eat one time in the morning. It's not like okay once he ate already it's over. He he's still included in the tinus. And since he's included in the tinus, you see that the tinus is a tiny sh to him. So that's reason number one says even though I'm gonna have to eat drink on on I'll still be able to get an aliyah just on this note on the first says yearly yearly says this is if it's on a regular time if you call a person up and he's not fasting says that the of the He doesn't say he says yearly that this that a person that's not fasting can't be is only on a fast that's not but a tinus like it could be reason number one says it could be the reason why he could be is because it's anyways this reason number one is not only it's the careful says you could be but I don't know if says any other time you could be because he has other reasons that are applicable yes only for reason number two he says the reason why I'll be able to get an ali on tish even though I'm not fasting is because tishabove in particular I'm part of tishabove a person's part of tishab even if he's not fasting why not because you have the other four somebody that's not fasting on tishov he's still a baniland so he's still part of tishov which obviously this reason is neg also if a person is speaking about but the same reason that he says why for he could be would be the same thing also person could be because he's part of yam kipper cuz he has the whether you knew him even if he's eating. And then he says a third reason why he'll be able to be on tishov and this is like what you mentioned tishov is different than the other the f the the ka is the fast so that if a person's not fasting there's no kera for him can't get an aliyah If you want to call it the right and then of course maybe even the of like any like shabas like yam But says Shabas, if somebody fasts on Shabas, are you going to say that if he's fasting that he doesn't have to have he doesn't need the same thing and as well says for three reasons I say that I could So if we would stop right here, we began the shin this morning. Could a person be somebody that's eating? Could he be? The answer would be yes. A person could be oruger spells it out clearly. He says and a person could be if he's not fasting obviously if he's not fasting because he can fast [Music] this is it's but a little bit a little bit uh call it maybe a fourth reason or he says any fast def the Tinus is leva but it's a it's a yness. You fast. So if you're not fasting you're not connected to the tinus. That's what was saying the whole time says mishimov even if a person is not fasting the essence of tish is a is even if he's not fasting. So the a of before we said a different reason we said he's the other we said he's still part of the the he says the reason why a person is still connected to tishov because a person is still if a person's not fasting could he listen to music I'm giving music as a marshall but I'm saying even even not are still applicable Why? Because it's so because theism it's not says the same as also even if a person's not fasting he's still shy to the what's the first he says so that's even if he's not fasting besides the now trud of Somebody do you need to have the tinus lap one mandama says that if a person doesn't fast he doesn't have a kapara but he says everybody agrees that if a person can fast because he can't have the kapar even without fasting a person is even if he's not fasting [Applause] clearly a person could Can we say that it's for all the uh all the if someone doesn't keep them then he doesn't >> all five >> I don't know off hand I don't remember off hand if if a person is does a person have to have all five to have theapor it's a sh we have to look into I don't know so what do we have so far so far we have the is talking already says clearly even that a person could be that a person could be oil even if he's not fasting's yard is coming up now that's Sunday not this Sunday but Sunday in a KG was nifted in 1837. Zuckerberg shak you could get an aliyah. Why? Shak I think like you mentioned you could get an aliyah. So that the takeaway is in the morning is clear a person could get an aliyah what's wants to know that is it a what does it mean just like shabas we l shabas by maybe Is a me even if he's not fasting he could be or is it a like we that's for sure a tinus yesterday we is a then the person cannot be so myop Yes to be able to be talking about but if he says you could be no different not worse than is but this is chu made a mak is chu and in the mak says that my whole chuva my whole sophic is only when tisha falls during the week. I'm sorry. when falls during the week last year fell on Shabas. over there I have no suffic for sure the person could be because would have been a but in the week he's [Music] my that somebody that's not fasting could be and my And it's this of the of that's he really asks. I'm not going to go into detail in the Gorrah. I want to try to finish shortly. But the Gmorra in Shabasdal the Gmorra says if it's you don't mention Yam and the reason for that is is because only Shabas notice already McGill speaks about it's not our I don't want to go into the discussion but on this Gomorrah he says even though you don't mention Yam because he's no you do mention by you do mention Yamipper you do mention Yamipper why because it's coming out we actually don't pass like says we don't the but you mention because that it should come however this is in a later place that brings from that says no that we do not mention we mention why not he says because the doesn't come out comes out which means is saying that the hatra the of is coming why is here alus So this if you do mention by or not is what's this of is the or is it a if it's a no and if it's yeah this is up So just to pull out one piece even the whole she let's say well not is not nea everybody's fasting it's stopper you come back after the break to ka satur what is this ka satur is it to get ka satur or is it a tinus But just to be says that it's a it's a tiny toa if you look in I looked it up clearly he doesn't say that the medus to is every we read yesterday that's however could be so like this which means like you someone broke up before which alias a that's not fasting or a ley would be able to get because maybe the He will not be able to get because on that ra that says that we do not mention by we don't mention so the brings this and says the words inside the in the goyan because the and the tiness which would mean which would mean from the goyen that the whole of is a so just to conclude and with this I'm going to end we have a three-way this there is no shila the person could be even if a person's not fasting these are said other reasons also but it can be we have three sheet we have the person could yes be any of the we have that's missic if a person could be it's suffic and then we had says it's upon him comes out clearly based off the that a person cannot be because the whole is a whole kera is a crea of a tinus I have a wonderful shabas a sa and And of course we should all be of to be able to fast. Have a wonderful Shabas.