Understanding the uniqueness and severity of Asara B’teves - Shiur by Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

This Tuesday is the fast day of the Zakaria calls it says. Why is it so? Because the month starts from Nissan. So the fourth month is the fifth month is is not for the 10th day of Tavis but because it's the 10th month. Tavis is the 10th month starting from Nissan. What happened? So the POS says in the beginning the PC says the 10th month, the 10th day. We also say it in surrounded put the city under siege. So even though these four tan which we're going to be speaking about this morning these four tanim these shvas these tishabove son Gdalia and Assaravis and Assaravis is the last one mentioned in the PK it's the first one that happened before anything the first thing was is that they surrounded the city. So even though Assar betavis is mentioned last in the PK, it's actually the first and in the events it was the first one to happen. It's yda that could fall out on a Friday. It's yah because it happens. It happened a few years ago. I think the next one is tin pay. It happens every couple of years. And if it falls out on Friday, we actually fast Friday into Shabas till till night. What's not so just because it just never happens is what happens if would fall out on Shabasaravas would fall out on Shabas that hold that not only if it falls on a Friday do you fast on Friday if assuras falls out on Shabas you would fast on Shabas also the brings it the Avuam was after the tour from so to speak a little that later says that aavis that falls if it would have if it would fall out on chabas you would fast on rashi says clearly that it's why where does rashi say that speaks about what you mock them you push earlier and what you push later the says that falls on you push it off So Rashi says not only Rashi says clearly that if it were to fall out on Shabas you would push it off. So we have holds that you would fast on Shabas the and it's brought which means the four if it falls on Shabas. it gets pushed off. >> Good And we're going to get to that. That's a discussion that's going to be at the almost the final thing of the year. Why is it even brought? It doesn't happen anyways. So we have what fallout on is brings the and he says manolon he doesn't know where a got it from brings these and the rabb say that it's not that it's I'm sorry that it's gets pushed off why would you say that it's pushes away shabas and you would fast on shabas the says that The ala brings that it's not only from the rabba brings from the that brings from that it's already brought in the before the so we have over if if the fast is coming Tuesday if it would fall out on shabas if we beas >> yes very good because he's saying it could be it would have been a gay earlier and they were later. So first let's take a look what's the >> I I don't know that's a good sh it means if you would fast and it's brought in that say you would fast you would you would the only thing is it could be they set up the calendar in a way not a calendar they The Taka did fast on Shabas. There's a few things we have to clarify over here in in Ben that you fast even on Shabas. First of all the then we have to see the reason and how to say that you should fast even on Chabas. These are and stencil and stencil. This is in time says that the we mentioned before which speaks about the says means which we're talking about that day is when the when there's you're supposed to fast that day all other it's referred to by the month it doesn't say later on a certain day as opposed says means that day that's when you have to fast. So it's that the fast of has to be on and therefore there's no pushing it around even if it falls out on Shabas that you would still fast on Shabas because it says You're right. I'm gonna leave out is about that. We're gonna we'll get back to Yamipper, but Yamipper actually is the You're right. And some say some of the says so it's a dub. Let's try to understand what's the of that is good morning Alex. Why is Shabas as opposed to all the other Tanim the other three? We know as a matter of fact that it's not Shabas. I think last year uh maybe even all three happened but Shabbas could fall out and oftenly falls out on Shabas. Tisha falls out on Chabasal when it's a three-day rash. It falls out on Shabas and it's it gets pushed off and we don't fast as opposed to you would. What's the difference? >> So you're asking you're bringing out even moreish if even worse. It's a very heavy a lot of why would be more than we we would fast on Chavis. >> Very good. Very good. Ask these a gamorra. It's a gammorra. What you said? And he says that this Gomorrah the for the Gomorrah is over here of the fast of the Gmorrah says the gammor time is the Gmorrah says thatan said if I would have been in the generation in the time of the I would have been that shouldn't have been on the ninth day of rather should have been on why why should it have been on yudb because most of the most of the b mikdish was burnt down on not ones. So if we're fasting, if we're remembering and we're mourning these a on you should rather fast on which is most of the happen on which we talk on a regular year we talk on certain in the afternoon. So that's what said Dr. Bon. So why T were they? Why not? Why not Yudb? Why T did they do a test which the B mikdash was only that started was lit up on fire only at the end of Tess explains the GU that it all started on Tess and where it started that's worse than when it actually happened. So it started on it's true most of the happened on but it started on tisha this which we just said learned from the dinner of it all started everything all started when they surrounded the wall of that's where it started soaris in a way is more than tishov just like tish is more than yud which most of the bdish was burnt on yud Still we go with tass. The same is also with which is where it all started. So mayah we would fast even on chabas. I hear you're saying that maybe it should even be from because we'll see soon that really didn't was >> what it happened. >> We'll see soon that actually didn't happen. We'll get to that shortly. Another why what's the reason that would be you would fast on Shabas explains the that the reason it brings up a that the reason why happened the happened because of the wasn't didn't keep Shabas If you're not going to listen to keep shabas mdash is going to be lit. There's going to be a fire on the ba mdash. And that's why we know that even though building the Mishk is so important, as important as building the Mishk is, it's not. It's not even though the Mishka makes, it's not knew that once Clal wasn't keeping Shabas, he had it in. He was able to go around surround the walls of Once he saw that they weren't keeping Shabas. says to that since the it all started but it happened because there was no Shabas therefore it's to fast even on Shabas because they didn't because the happened for not keeping Shabas so we fast which is somewhat not the proper shabas I don't fully understand it because after happened because we didn't keep Shabas so we should be much more careful and is so we have the violet two reasons why is more than the other and is >> so what that's a way of keeping shabas the Shila is. So we have clearly that it says that would be because to be on that day of even if it's on Shabas we have two reasons why it's more either because it's a piris the pir started so it's much more than even tishov and we saw the other reason because it all came shabas but the sh is how little could you fast on chabas you're not able to fast on you're not allowed to fast on chabas. So it's true like says it says you're supposed to fast even on but how could you fast on chabas? How could you fast on Shabas? If a saravas would fall on Shabas, you would fast. How t could you fast? >> And by not eating, you're being more vital. >> So maybe it's not right. It's not you're not doing something physically but you're not being the on right uncomfortable. It's not not easy. You make yourself uncomfortable. It's already action. >> I don't know if you have to take it so far that by fasting you're being matsar yourself. You're being you're supposed to have pleasure on Shabas. You're supposed to have pleasure and if you don't eat, you don't have I don't know if you have to go so far that by not eating, not only don't you have but actually you're being mitar yourself. You just don't have. We'll see soon that these certain cases that even by not eating there is an but the is you have to have. I don't know if it's so much paining yourself at a good how could you how would we fast on Shabas you asked about is pretty clear that without said is the is not but explains And says that the not the is only well this whole is shabas is from Friday night this afternoon 4 4:30 4:10 till tomorrow night for 24 hours the dinner you're supposed to have is you have over the 24 hours fasting the whole entire shabas that's a bit therefore explains the gmorra says to garillish that falls out on chabas what does it mean to be that he shouldn't be a tishov when it falls out on chabas because since when tishov falls out on chabas only tishov when tishab falls out on chabas It gets pushed off because so if you would fast on you're being so got pushed off you wouldn't rebu instead of pushing it off just cancel it as opposed to other is only is only the day. So you could fast even on Chavas. Why? Because you're not doing you still have Friday night you have. So Rebi only wanted to push off um which is a full 24 hours because once it got pushed off because it'll be shabas. So rebi wanted to just push it off completely be for that year as opposed to other is only the day and be you could so it's not really pushed off we would we push it off but it's not that it's pushed off because you can't do it completely explains that's why it would fall out on Shabas would fast because it's not being you're not being of Shabas you still have the of Shabas is the full 24 hours and the na even if you would fast this let's say it would fall out on chabas you could have the Friday night meal you could have shabas day you would fast >> yeah very long Friday night is extremely late yeah is being >> so I what you're pointing out isam cipher a little bit I'm going to elaborate on it about maybe it's even so so far what did what did we discuss we said that to fast if you would fast on we said the to fast is a the says you have to fast on even if it's on shabas that you would fast we said two reasons why it's more either or because the whole started because of and we said that it's not a problem to fast on shabas because you're not really being shabas because you still have Friday night we saw now I'll share with this is in a few places theamifer says and he taps on to what you mentioned before and it's of both shas first of all why taka would we fast on shabas and how would we fast on shabas and he explains the following he asks a shila What's the big deal of that surrounded? This wasn't the first time. It wasn't the second time. It happened many times throughout the history that they surrounded us. What was the what was the why over here are we fasting? Explains theam because this one was for real. When they surrounded it was for real. surrounding they stay they were around for two and a half years and two and a half years they broke through they destroyed the B mikdash. So this surrounding the siege of the city was a for real one. Therefore we fast explains the at the same time when the surrounded on the walls of the same thing happened in Bezo they dmed up if this surrounding of the city should be for real or not which should be like any other time that's when they that's when they discussed that's when the vessel was deciding if there should be a or Firstly, he explains why is so because here is where it all started but not like what we mentioned besides what we mentioned earlier that it was a skull of the pironius but even more here [clears throat] is where the when it comes two and a half years later he's going to be so it's worse because this is where the wasbas So therefore is more and we fast even on Shabas as opposed to but explains how could you fast on Shabas and he says like this just like Tus so just just one point just to take out from this oh and he says that the says it's that every year that the Bikdash was not built every year that it wasn't built of every year that it wasn't rebuilt. It's like so what comes out? It comes out that every single if there should be a tish of the B md should be destroyed. So it comes out this Tuesday he's going to be exar it brings the that he's going to be exar on he's going to be exar if there should be a if there should be a again this year so that's first of all the of then that would be it's the of now that every year these if it should be but explains the that the reason why it could be why would be just like the somebody had a bad dream he could fast even on Shabas why why could he fast why is Shabas a person doesn't fast on Shabas why Because a tinus a person's fasting to prevent what he had a bad dream on. That's what his that he's preventing. That's called an toast on tishov on the that happened. So you you're that's a tinus of being sad. That's not an fast on shabas. When we fast this Tuesday, we're fasting in a way to prevent of this year. This year, this shouldn't be. That's what we're fasting. We're fasting this year that there shouldn't be a this. So just like a fast on because you're preventing what's going to be. So too could you fast because you're preventing what's going to be you're gonna you're preventing we're going to prevent this year what's going to be. So we have over here some that you fast on Shabas. We have three reasons why it's more either because it's a or because the happened because of or because we do it it's it's because it was decided then there was then that the should happen and then we saw two reasons why you're allowed to fast on chabas either because it's only by day not by night or we saw another reason now from the that it's actually an it's considered You're happy. You're enjoying doing it because you're preventing something bad that could happen just be a chuvos. Ramosa speaks about somebody that asked him interesting Shila. It's a person that's in aconis and the day that the tinus fell out, I don't remember if it's Davka Sarbatavis, but the day that the Tinus fell out was a very busy day. Maybe there was a dinner that night, but it was a very extremely busy day. And he asked Ra Mosha if you could if he could maybe, you know, not fast that day and kind of borrow that day and fast a different day. That's what he asked Mosha. So Mosha writes back, you can't do it. I'm not going to go into it, but you can't do it because the will a certain day and that's the day you have to fast. Now as we mentioned earlier all the only mention the monthish it's the speaks about it how they set it up was it's a day in the month and you could pick the day it was the happened in that month and it wasn't a particular day he actually says it even But is interesting based on what we mentioned earlier the says spells it out clearly but it's just in the month as opposed to like writes in the ch later on besides it's you don't have it's it's you have to fast but not only do you have to fast you have to actually not only do you have to fast but you also have um you have to fast that particular day. You can't borrow to a different day. Like the PK says that it should we shouldn't even fast. It should be and even if we do fast, we should use to be a day that and that there shouldn't be another there shouldn't be another