TWO DAYS OF ISSUR MELACHA IN BOTH ERETZ YISROEL AND CHUTZ LOORETZ - HOW DO THEY DIFFER

The Yom Tov of Shavuos tomorrow night above all the Torah is awesome regular a two-day Yom Tov. True that it's Friday and Shabbos. And therefore these are of Shavuos on the second day of Yom Tov in Shavuos and Kiddush we also mention Shabbos. But it's a two-day Yom Tov. Unlike let's say Pesach we had a three-day Yom Tov. Shavuos could also be three days if you have Shabbos Sunday Monday. It's a two-day Yom Tov. In Eretz Yisrael however this Shavuos call it a two-day Yom Tov or it's a Yom Tov and Shabbos not common Rosh Hashanah is two days but usually it's a one-day Yom Tov. And Eretz Yisrael is much less common. We had Shavuos Pesach when it was three days Yom Tov two days and Shabbos. They're going to have Shavuos from Yom Tov into Shabbos. But I would like to focus with Hashem's help today's sheer to see that these actually a halachic application and a difference between Eretz Yisrael and a Ben Chutz La'aretz even though we both have call it two days Yom Tov. Again of course for them the second day is only Shabbos but we're going to see another clear halacha. The Gemara in Beitzah 12 base we learned it here in the morning kollel. The Gemara says that Rav Assi used to make Havdalah between the first day Yom Tov and the second day Yom Tov. Gemara. Rav Assi made Havdalah. He made Havdalah. Past this he didn't make separate Havdalah Kiddush and then he went later and he made Havdalah. When he was al hakois by the suda, he made Kiddush like we're going to make Kiddush the second night Yom Tov. But besides making Kiddush, he also made Havdalah, the brocha of Havdalah. Of course, we're talking about now the Gemara two days Yom Tov. Both are weekday. Meaning to say is we'll soon see of course if the second day is Shabbos, there is definitely no Havdalah, no shita holes like that. But what do we do if it's two two regular two days of choyil? He used to make Havdalah between the first day and the second day. I'm not going to go into the richus of the Gemara, but I just want to bring out the point and that's the midubar of the shiur. The Gemara says the reason why he made Havdalah was misofic. Rav Assi wasn't sure is it one long day Yom Tov? And that's why Rav Assi holds that beya should not be held on the first day Yom Tov as assur on the second day cuz it's one long day. We're not going to go into the details, but it's one long day of a mailer there is no chiyuv Havdalah. It's one long day Yom Tov. O yedilma, Yom Tov is the first day. We keep the second day minigavisenubiyadeinu. It's two separate days of Yom Tov. So just like we do everything twice, that meaning to say is we treat the second day like a full second day. We do all the mitzvahs chiyuvim separately. So the first day also is a full day and you make Havdalah between the first day and the second day. Very clear very clear. You have two days Yom Tov. Just like we sit down on the second day we make Kiddush as if we just started now the Yom Tov. So wait a second, if we just started the Yom Tov the other day, what happened to the other day? The terrorists says the first day we treated as one day. So, if you you you treat the first day Yom Tov as one day, there is also a requirement for Havdalah. So, Rav Asi made Havdalah. So, the shaila is the Rishonim ask we should also make Havdalah. Even over there in the Gemara, Rav is cholek and holds be'er she'ne'elda from one day Yom Tov to another day is assur because Rav was a mesupek. And if you Rav was it's for sure two days. Means the second day is min hagav as in a be'er daynu. What's the second day Yom Tov? Not one long day. So, Rav Asi made Havdalah, like the Gemara says, he is mesupek. But Rav, that's for sure two days, so the Rishonim ask, we should make Havdalah. Every kiddush of ours the second night Yom Tov should have Havdalah as well. Again, like I mentioned before, we are not talking about this Yom Tov Shavuos that's sha- Yom Tov into Shabbos. There you don't make Havdalah. We'll speak about it in a in a little bit. But in a two days Yom Tov, you should make Havdalah in between. The Rashba answers that you can't make Havdalah. Because if you make Havdalah, you're being mezalzel in the second day Yom Tov. You're saying making Havdalah making Havdalah saying is that the first day, yesterday, was Yom Tov. Tonight's not Yom Tov anymore, so you're being mezalzel in the Yom Tov. You can't make Havdalah. Two days Yom Tov, you can't motzei the first night Yom Tov. You're making Havdalah, so like you're saying, yesterday was Yom Tov. Today's not Yom Tov. Are you going to ask me that there are sometimes that we do make Havdalah? Ah, Yachnehawz between Shabbos and Yom Tov, whether if it's Shabbos and Yom Tov but these are Shabbos and then Yom Tov you make Havdalah. Cuz over here the Havdalah is you're going out of Shabbos that's Kodesh Chamor, it's Assur but only Kodesh Kal Nefesh going into Yom Tov. So there's no Zilzul. No one thinks when you sit down to Yom Tov and you make Havdalah from Shabbos that it's it's not Yom Tov. Of course it's Yom Tov but it's not Shabbos anymore. Mashanke says the Rashba two days Yom Tov if you're going to make Havdalah you you're kind of like saying that yesterday was Yom Tov. Today's not Yom Tov. It's a Zilzul. So may we what was the Shaila? Why don't we do like Rav Assi? Like like Rav Assi, the Tairus is we will hold like Rav Assi because Rav Assi does is a Zilzul on Yom Tov. What is Rav Assi hold that you do make Havdalah? Rav Assi is not concerned about Zilzul. So the Rishonim explain the Shita of the Kabetz Assi that Rav Assi when he made Havdalah he used to say Hamavdil bein Kodesh l'Kodesh. Or Hamavdil bein Kodesh Chamor l'Kodesh Kal. That's not Zilzul. What? Very good. Very good. You're asking l'chumra bein Kodesh Kal bein Kodesh Chamor l'Kodesh Kal is a Zilzul. The Minchas says that Rav Assi's Havdalah was dafka bein Kodesh l'Kodesh not bein Kodesh Chamor l'Kodesh Kal cuz that's also a Zilzul. But upon him to be meyashev Rav Assi that made Havdalah he said bein Kodesh l'Kodesh. And then you know it's not a zilzul. I got even if you say Ben Kodesh LeKodesh Kal uh LeKodesh Kal, it's also we understand the first day is the de rise, the second day is the rabonan. So it's not you're not saying it's not Yom Tov. Yeah, you could hear that it's a zilzul, you could hear you're saying Ben Kodesh Kal cuz the maises the rabonan. Rashi on Rav Asi writing on the daf havdalah of a days when the Gemara says Rav Asi Rav Asi made havdalah, so it's very interesting. Rashi says he made havdalah Ben Kodesh LeChol. The heart of Asi Rav Asi mavdil um ha-mavdil Ben Kodesh LeChol. So the Shita Mekubetzes says that even when Rashi says that he made Ben Kodesh LeChol, Rashi is just referring to the brocha of ha-mavdil Ben Kodesh LeChol, but havdalah the see of our brocha was Ben Kodesh LeKodesh. So teretz number one why we don't make havdalah why we don't make havdalah between one Yom Tov from the first day to the second day is cuz of zilzul. The Ra'ah says a different teretz. He says the reason why we we don't make havdalah is because what are you being mavdil? It's true, one is the de rise, one is the rabonan, but it doesn't it's not shiyach to make havdalah between de rise and the rabonan. Bishloime from Yom Tov to Shabbos like we said before Yaknas havdalah is this is ossur by nefesh and this is mutar by nefesh. But between the two days of Yom Tov, what havdalah you're making? They're both ossur whatever melacha is there ossur and mutar whatever melacha is there mutar. So that where is it applicable to make havdalah? So therefore you don't make havdalah. Teretz number one we said before the Rashba says it's a zilzul. Teretz number two, you don't make Havdalah cuz it doesn't pass. What is the Havdalah being mafdil? I guess Rav Ashi holds that you can make Havdalah between the de Oraisa and de Rabbanan. The third teretz in the Rishonim, this is a Ritvah in Sukkah, very bekitza. The shlach is right here on daf dalet baruchas. And the Chasam Sofer in Tshuvas Yoreh De'ah also says this teretz. You know why we don't make Havdalah? Cuz it's tarted desasri. What's tarted desasri? You making kiddush because it's Yom Tov. And you're making Havdalah cuz it's not Yom Tov. It's It's It's a steer, it's a contradiction. Is it Yom Tov or is it not Yom Tov? You making kiddush, it's Yom Tov. You making Havdalah, it's not Yom Tov. So which one? Leil haSeder, the second night, which we keep Yom Tov. But lema'aseh, we also count Sefirah. So why is that not a tarted desasri? If you count Sefirah, the Torah says to count Sefirah from the next day. Mimochrasa Shabbos. So why is that not a tarted desasri to count Sefirah the second night Pesach and at the same time also be mekayem all the mitzvos al laylah. The teretz is over there, you're not doing it together. You're not doing it together. You either count it Sefirah in shul, some count at the end of the seder, but you're not doing it together. Here, in kiddush you're also making Havdalah or in davening, that's a tart of the Sukkah. You're making kiddush because it's Yom Tov tonight, and then you're making Havdalah cuz it's not Yom Tov. So, which one is it? Yom Tov or is it not Yom Tov? It's a tart of the Sukkah. Says the Tzlach. So, immediately we don't pasken like Rav Asi, but says the Tzlach, we have a Gemara that paskens not like Rav Asi. Which Gemara? The Gemara in Sukkah. The Gemara says, Shmini Atzeres, you sit in the Sukkah. But you don't make a bracha. And some of the Rishonim explain the reason is is because it's if it's Shmini Atzeres, you can't make a bracha cuz it's not it's not the Yom Tov Sukkah anymore. Sukkos. And the Gemara says, "Vehilchasa." Says the Tzlach, the Gemara already paskens, the Gemara says, "Vehilchasa, that you sit but you don't make a bracha cuz it's a tart of the Sukkah." So, immediately the Gemara already paskens not like Rav Asi. The Ritvo actually The Ritvo is a Rishon, but the Ritvo and the the Tzlach points it out, the Ritvo doesn't say that the Gemara paskens in Sukkah not like Rav Asi. The Ritvo says, "We don't pasken like Rav Asi, but and and but all right, you see also by Sukkah." Not the pshat is that we know it's from Sukkah. But all in all of them, however you say it, however you bring out, l'maaseh, we don't pasken like Rav Asi. Why? Because it's a tart of the Sukkah. So, we said now three terutzim why we don't make kiddush, why we don't make Havdalah between the first night of Yom Tov and the second night. Second night Yom Tov for the between the first day and the second day dying to the second night, why don't we make Havdalah? We said it's zilzul. We said it's not What are you making Havdalah on? Or tarte de dessert. But these three terutzim are all to say that we don't make Havdalah the second night Yom Tov. Rebbe Chanina also right here in Bayer. Rebbe Chanina says a different terutz. Rebbe Chanina says really you would make Havdalah. Really you would make Havdalah. And maybe even you make Havdalah just like Rav Asi says. True like all the terutzim we said before that it's zilzul says Rebbe Chanina therefore you make the Havdalah motzei the second night. Just like you find Shabbos. These are machlokes in the Gemara. But l'halacha we hold you can make Havdalah up until Tuesday. So if I say over here when you have two days Yom Tov really you should make Havdalah in between the two the two days of Yom Tov. We saw the Rishonim say it's not to do it says Rebbe Chanina we atzam hold you make Havdalah. Now instead of making it tonight in between you could still make it the following night you make it motzei Yom Tov after the two days. Why did Rav Asi yes make Havdalah in between the two nights of Yom Tov? Why couldn't he also make the Havdalah after the two days Yom Tov after Yom Tov? Why did he have to make it in between? L'chumra like Rebbe Chanina says that we would want to make Havdalah but it's a zilzul tarte de dessert. So why did Rav Asi himself why did he yes says the Gemara mavdil miyom metovel l'chavri made Havdalah in between. Why could he yes make Havdalah? The terutz is because Rav Asi holds like the sheet that that after Shabbos you could only make one day. Only Sunday. You only have one day to make up dollar. You can make by day also because the day is part of the night. So, just like you can make by night, you can make by day. You could only make one day after Yom Kippur. So, it's not going to help to make after the second day Yom Kippur. That's already like making Monday. Somebody will say you can't make up dollar. But us and now that we pass it to make up dollar till Tuesday. You have three days. So, mail over here also you can make up dollar much so the second day Yom Kippur and that have dollars also going to go on the have dollar of between the first day and the second day. So, what comes out of you this carrots? That's we pass again. We hold like a bossy. You need have dollar between the two days of Yom Kippur. However, we talk and make that have dollar but after the second day. Clark, the three we shall we said before say not we don't make up dollar. Now we're saying we make up dollar. However, the have dollar is not The have dollar is not in between the two days of Yom Kippur. The have dollar is after the second day. Agav on this terrible Hanan says that he Yom Kippur we we make the have dollar the second night because you could always make up dollar after Shabbos up until Tuesday. It's not so partial like a Yom Kippur. Meaning to say is what does Hanan say? We make up dollar much so Yom Kippur after two days and that also includes the have dollar between the first and the second day. Shabbos we pass again you can make Havdalah up until Tuesday. Yom Tov till when could you make Havdalah Yom Tov? On a two-day Yom Tov, not like when it's Motzei Shabbos, two-day Yom Tov let's say Yom Tov is uh I don't know, Monday and Tuesday. You didn't make Havdalah Tuesday night. So, could you make it for three days? The whole How long could you make Havdalah for? So, the Birkei Yosef brings a shita that Yom Tov Havdalah after Yom Tov you can make the whole week. Shabbos only Sunday, Monday, Tuesday cuz the first three days are nigrar after Shabbos. Yom Tov you can make the whole week. So, if you can make the whole week, so then it's clear. What Rav Chanan is saying is is that even if you didn't make between the first and the second day, you can make Motzei the second day Yom Tov you can make Havdalah. And good. So, the Hainu because you can make a few days after Yom Tov also. Motzei the second day is like a few days later. It's not just the day after, it's two days after. But lema'aseh it's machla na'apasha. The Birkei Yosef himself says that no, you could only do the day after Yom Tov. Rav Akiva Eiger in Agudas Shulchan Aruch says along hagah and he says you could only make the day after Yom Tov. So, if you could only make Havdalah the day after Yom Tov, what comes out? That you cannot make Motzei the second day. And if you can't make Motzei the second day, Rav Chanan's teretz falls off. Rav Chanan says that you we want to make in between the first and the second day, but we don't make the Havdalah, we wait till Motzei Yom Tov. You can't wait till Motzei Yom Tov because Motzei Yom Tov is already a full day later. If it's a full day later, you can't make Havdalah. Now, let's go to what's in the Geah the Inyanaynu. Even if one wasn't clear up until now, let's we'll see we'll bring in what was Negayah before, but let's let's try to go to a Shaylah that's Negayah. Very Negayah. When it's a Yom Tov in the middle of the week, so a Ben Eretz Yisrael, let's say in Eretz Yisrael, the Israelis make Havdalah after the first day Yom Tov. If you hold two days Yom Tov, so you make Havdalah the second day. It's two separate entities. Ben Eretz Yisrael makes after he has one day Yom Tov, Havdalah after one day Yom Tov. The Ben Chutz L'Aretz two days makes Havdalah after the two days. A year like this year that we both Bnei Eretz Yisrael and Bnei Chutz L'Aretz both have, so to speak, two days Yom Tov, meaning to say, we're both making Havdalah the same time Motzei Shabbos, could a Ben Eretz Yisrael be Motzi a Ben Chutz L'Aretz? Yeah? You're in Eretz Yisrael and you're by some by a of Eretz Yisrael digger family and he's going to make Havdalah now. Could he be Motzi you a Ben Chutz L'Aretz by Havdalah? Or you're in Chutz L'Aretz and the Ben Eretz Yisrael is in the Chutz L'Aretz. What's the Shaylah? For you, you need Havdalah Motzei Shabbos for two reasons. Sai Havdalah of Shabbos and Sai Havdalah of Yom Tov. It's the exact same words of Havdalah, but the Havdalah is accomplishing Havdalah of Shabbos and Havdalah of Yom Tov, two separate Havdalahs. It's the same words, but these two are you them. The Benei Yisrael only needs Havdalah of Shabbos. So, could a Benei Yisrael that's only Havdalah because of Shabbos be motzei you the Havdalah that you need for Shabbos and Yom Tov? What was in the shmooze that we spoke before about the Havdalah in between? For fear of Rabbeinu Chananel that was not like the Rishonim. Rabbeinu Chananel says that even for us, we have Havdalah between the two days of Yom Tov. However, we don't make the Havdalah in between the two days, we make it after Yom Tov. Which would mean that even a Benei Yisrael has Havdalah after the first day. And if he didn't make the Havdalah, then he'll make the Havdalah Motzei Shabbos. So, if that's the case, then a Benei Yisrael could be motzei us Havdalah cuz the Benei Yisrael is also making Havdalah Motzei Shabbos for Yom Tov also. Only for fear of Rabbeinu Chananel that says that we kind of push off the Havdalah, so then a Benei Yisrael could be motzei us for sure because he also is making two Havdalahs. One Havdalah Motzei Shabbos for Motzei Shabbos and one Havdalah Motzei Shabbos for Motzei Yom Tov, the night before. Lema'aseh, it's not like that. Why? Because this is important to note. There is no Havdalah when Yom when Yom Tov goes into Shabbos. We wanted to say that could be the bene Israel's Havdalah motzei Shabbos also includes the Havdalah of motzei Yom Tov. There is no Havdalah on motzei Yom Tov when it goes into Shabbos. The Mishnah in Chullin The Mishnah says Kol makom she yesh ki ein Havdalah The Mishnah says like this, what's a year like like a Shavuos of this year, Yom Tov she chali be erev Shabbos, Yom Tov falls out to be erev Shabbos Friday like this year Shavuos. to tell them to tell people to keep to tell people that we're going into Shabbos and it's no longer mutar melacha tzorech nefesh v'lo imavdilin but you don't make Havdalah. Rashi over here explains it's also a Rashbam in Pesachim. The Rashbam in Pesachim explains a little bit more that if there are servants that are leaving and the king is coming l'havdil They're saying that Trump's going to be over here Friday on the corner over here this Friday on Shavuos. So before is the servants and the secret service, they came to check it out and then the ones that are leaving. Avada l'havdil, you go for the for the president, you don't go for those that are leaving. That's what the Rashbam explains. So mainly you don't mavdil, you don't make Havdalah mikdusha hakal when you're going up from kedushas Yom Tov to Kedushas Shabbos. So, you don't make Havdalah. So, may there is no Havdalah. So, if there's no Havdalah from Yom Tov to Shabbos, if there's no Havdalah from Yom Tov to Shabbos, so may we're back to the question, could a Ben Eretz Yisrael be motzei a Ben Chutz La'aretz by Havdalah? Clear? Clear the shaila? A Ben Eretz Yisrael only has the chiyuv of Havdalah cuz it's Motzei Shabbos. And the Ben Chutz La'aretz has Havdalah cuz it's tzay Motzei Shabbos and it's tzay Motzei Yom Tov. He has two chiyuvim. Reb Zalman says that they a Ben Eretz Yisrael could. And he explains like this, if a person ate and he's making a bracha acharonah, and really the bracha acharonah have to goes on two different payers, and you only had in mind one of the payers, avadi you yoitze cuz the maiseh you made the bracha acharonah. True, says Reb Reb Zalman, when we make Havdalah, forget about the shaila of a Ben Eretz Yisrael, we make Havdalah Motzei Shabbos. When you make Havdalah this Motzei Shabbos, you're supposed to have in mind tzay Motzei Shabbos and tzay Motzei Yom Tov. But if you forget and you only make Havdalah, you only had in mind you forgot it's Shabbos. When it came to Havdalah, you were shvuas now, two days of shvuas, you didn't have in mind Shabbos b'cholal. You're yoitze. B'di'eved. But you're yoitze. You're yoitze. Avada l'chatchila you should have in mind when you make Havdalah Motzei Shabbos for Yom Tov that you want both, but even if you have a you make Havdalah only for one, you're yoitze. Says Reb Zalman, when you listen to Havdalah from a Ben Eretz Yisrael, you're yoitze. L'chatchila you should have a mind both Shabbos and Yom Tov. Even if you don't have a mind you Yotzei, but if you have a mind you Yotzei even l'chatchila. Clear? Says Reb Zalman, the same thing is also Kiddush. But Kiddush by day. Kiddush by night, it's a different type of Kiddush. It's a different Kiddush in Eretz Yisrael but Chutz La'aretz it's a different Kiddush. But Kiddush by day, you could be Yotzei, you go to eat a Shabbos Seudah in Eretz Yisrael by an Israeli, and he makes Kiddush, you could be Yotzei with his Kiddush, but you should have a mind that the Kiddush that you're hearing is Sa'if for Shabbos, Sa'if for Yom Tov. In one place Reb Moshe Sternbuch, Shlita, says the same, that you could. So that they bring this also from Yibadel L'Chaim, the Steipler also says that you could. However, it's brought in the name of the Chazon Ish, I saw Reb Moshe Soloveitchik, who's a nephew of the Brisker Rav from Switzerland, Reb Moshe Soloveitchik, he's the one who says in the name of the Chazon Ish that you cannot, you cannot be Yotzei. And Reb Moshe Sternbuch explains the reason why, why could you not be Yotzei? You hear Havdalah, what's the problem? And Reb Nachman of Breslov Zalman says, he says because the Ben Eretz Yisrael is considered that Eino Mechuyav B'davar L'gabei the Havdalah of Yom Tov. Only somebody that's Mechuyav could be Motzi you. So a Ben Eretz Yisrael is only Mechuyav in Havdalah, only the Havdalah of Shabbos, not the Havdalah of Yom Tov. We can't be mighty. So, we have a if you could or you can't. The de ri'ah is actually misuppak. He's misuppak if the shana is the sad. Very interesting. He says that it could be Motzei Shabbos we only have of dollar for Shabbos not for Yom Tov. It's interesting he says because you don't see that the noose is different. Like by davening. If you understand why there shouldn't be a double of dollar, but he says if there's only one of dollar of course a banner could so can be mighty, but if it's of dollar for both you can't. He's misuppak about it. He declares what's together of of dollar, but I mean we have a like this if a banner is strong could be mighty a banner of lords. And I just want to conclude that this shaila is also very near we are at locus naras. But at locus naras is already a little bit more complicated. You're you're in Israel you go to somebody for Yom Tov a backer you relying on the candles at locus naras of the people that you're going to for Yom Tov. The second night Yom Tov a banner of Israel and Israelis had loca is la had look nair shall Shabbos. For us our ad loca is la had look nair Shabbos and Yom Tov. This whole shaila if you forgot to say Yom Tov what you do. That's not the discussion here, but I mean our ad loca is a double it's ad loca for Shabbos and it's ad loca for Yom Tov. So, here it's already a little bit more that the shaila of ad loca. Ad loca it's the same words for both. Some say Havdalah says of Zalman have in mind for both and it's good. Here the Maisha the bracha that the better it's strong is saying is only the Havdalah of Shabbat. So does it work or does it not work to be my that you want the narrow you should be for Shabbat and Yom Tov? It's shaila. We should be so eager for the building of Beit Hamikdash and then there won't be two days Yom Tov and it won't be a Madura, it won't be a shaila, the whole sheer won't be relevant. Not the beginning part to make Havdalah between Yom Tov and Yom Tov and not the shaila between the Beit Hamikdash and the whole lot. We're all going to keep one day Yom Tov. I doubt it's going to be Yom Tov followed by Shabbat. But there won't be a shaila, Havdalah shaila. We're all going to only need Havdalah of Shabbat. Wishing everybody a good Yom Tov and a good Shabbat. Amen.