SUKKAH DECORATIONS IN HALACHA - Rabbi Nachum Scheiner

This morning she like usually will be on the learning it'll be on the topic that's very very nega and I get the shila sh every single sukus thea decorations is it moxa could you move it could you use it could you take it down I'm going to try to clarify clearly It's a sukus. It's decorations. This is the here. So let's start from the beginning from the gor down. Let's try the gor by us brings a that means it's that a person is not allowed to be from a sucker. A drasha the go inside by us. that it's also all of in other words very clearly is meaning to say there's no iser of mukta so to speak. I'm using the term mukta because we usually refer to the decorations of mutzah. So I'm using the term mukah mukt on shabas doesn't mean you're not allowed to touch the muk. You're not allowed to move the mukah. Over here the suk on sukus you're allowed to move the suka. It's not muk that you're not allowed to move it. As a matter of fact, this past sukus, I did a bris and the suka they needed in a different place. They moved the suka. You're allowed to move the suka. What you're not allowed to do is you're not allowed to have a you're not allowed to have from the suk. It's also gar this is on the it's an iser and we'll clarify a little more exactly of having from a suk. It's not so nea like the decorations but it's a little bit naya. What part of the suka is asser? When I say hano I mean what part of the isser? So there's a big the actually in this brings the the rush holds that the is only on the only on the is what you now have from can't do walls there's no and the heb theim is pretty simple the tour brings this rush the hebar is that anytime when the toy says and speaks all the applicable to the is it can't be so all the and when the says on the it's referring to the however is ra the raam holds that these is to be in the hand from the walls as well also And we'll go into some examples right away. from the walls of the circle. There is a understanding in the is the walls the holes it's not the holes it's and the if it's clearly that the walls are also like an example you're not allowed to take off a piece of wood. You needed to start a fire or something. You can't take off a piece of the wall of the suka and be in the hand. We'll go into example soon. What's the Hezbar in the Rambam? The ram holds that the walls are also and even that it's what's the what's the when the refers to as you learn the is referring to just the so why would you say also the walls that the walls are also included in explains means that shu whenever we speak about we're talking about the like in the beginning of we're talking about the however since the only way to have a suk is by having the walls when thera says that a suk is kadesh that it's also The is referring to everything that makes the suk auk. It's not just it's what you have a suk. The only way you could have a suk is by having walls as well also. So that's the again it's a sh maybe it's only but if you hold it so this would be the why it would be because the walls are also included. Would that include the floor? >> Oh, very good. That was mish. The next thing I was going to bring up the floor. There's a talk a discussion about the floor. Now, it's interesting. They speak about the floor. Speaks about it. Says yes, the floor as well. But has a chuva about it. And speaks about when you have to build a floor. Let's say it's a slanty floor. You can't use the floor and you make a floor out of a platform. So says topic I believe that the floor very good. The same idea would be like the walls. It's not like but you can't you can't have a without a floor. Very good. This would also be included if the if you're putting on a m that doesn't belong to you. So, so that's that's a separate discussion. It is I'd rather looked into it now just to see if I could get clarity on what we're learning about. But even though ka a zealous there's a whole discussion in the pkim brings it if you make it in a place you can't even make a bro over there but that would be even if without building a platform I believe the discussion over here is when you have to make a floor is the floor is you make it on ground could you dig out some sand and use the sand >> in the old days people didn't have floors in their houses either so when it became when they built the house that became the floor down so you know there's something on the floor. >> Could be. It could be. It would also be not only when it's a wooden platform. Even a a sand floor, not like we have a good floor, sand floor would also be the suck. >> It's not cold anymore. It's cold floor. Nothing grows. You're right. You're right. Yankee, you're right. An attack would come out that such a thing also would be this brought like we just said before even though it's the walls are also can't take out a piece or something it's aer is even when the suk falls down. This is already yes a little bit naya the sucker falls down it's very windy it fell down you don't need it fell down it got destroyed you're away on a trip or I don't know what and you want to use that wood for firewood this is where it's said it's even even after it falls down this is of using the at least the or if you say the walls are also they rise The argue if it's is only but it's for sure. It's even after it falls down. Now that we know that it's asser for sure the walls questionable let's clarify what exactly is the iser and this is yes important the already says that the is only a iser that when you use it it gets destroyed you don't have it anymore for an example to take off a little piece of wood from the or from the wall to put to start a fire such a type of thing. That's where it's but let's say to lean on the sucker wall to hang something on the sucker. Hang on the but it's only when you're using it in a way that it no longer exists. But if you use it in a way that it's still there to hang something on the not to use it. You want to hang your hat over there. It's that sitting in the suka when the schllock is down. The awning is covering the suk. It's raining. You're sitting in the suk raining not it's not a cauter suka. You're allowed to sit in the suka even though you're being from it. You're being the Hannah from the sucker. It's mutter. >> Oh, very good. Alex Gavaldic. First I want to say just before what you're saying about maybe it's not a sucker. It's a big shila. It's not for now the discussion I want to end on time. the maybe you could say it's a famous butt speaks about it sitting in a suk when it's not a suk what you mentioned that maybe it's not what you say it's not a >> it's not right here we're learning right here speaks about that maybe when you sit in a when it's raining and the awning is covering it. That's okay because it's not a if you're sitting in the and let's say so here also you're not doing the mitzvah over there could be it's butas what we're coming out the that's to get into the lus I want to leave it for now because I want to really get into together with but the it's clear but it's already earlier the says says that you could be in the ha you can be in the Hannah from the wall from the as long as it doesn't get as long as it doesn't get destroyed you could be in the ha I do however want to ask you that if you take a look in the you cannot be handed from the strings of titus even when it's not being destroed destroyed. For example, you went shopping and you have your hands full and you want to tie your shopping bags onto your tits. Are you allowed to do it? Yes or no? Are you allowed to do that? You come home, you have strong tits. You come home, you take off the bags and titus is it's not like that the titus are being destroyed. Are you allowed to do that? So the says because first it speaks about we once spoke about it after it's pos what to do with it not be if the strings are attached you know how to use it you're going to tie something it's so the sha is Why by sitsus is iter even just to beamished with its situs as opposed to by which is even it's only when that it gets destroyed. What's the explains of brought that sitsus when you use it and it's a bizo it's a bizu mitzvah and we're going to get to bizu mitzvah more when we get to decorations as opposed to suka there's no bizu mitzvah sitting in a suka when it's raining and it's closed or leaning on the wall or hanging something up. You're being maz. You're not being maz using the tit to hang something from the you're being a mitzvah. That's why it's also but it's not. Now let's move over to part two. The noise the the floor I think is pretty clear. It's asser the walls floor could be aser even if it fell down. What's about no? So we don't have to go anywhere to see. We learned it this week. It's on the daff also that no is the same thing as asser. No isser. What's asser? It's not to touch. It's not to move. We'll soon see a little more about it. Not also to move. It's here. It seems like the isser even just to use it. We'll see many examples by the we said you're allowed to use as long as it's not by you're not allowed to use it is but moving it moving it is why is it why so the gar of brings this as well the example the if you hang up let's say for an example you hang up fruits in the suk you're now to eat the fruits That's a classical example that you're actually being. So let's stick with that. But fruits are hanging. You know how to take down the fruits and eat the fruits. Why is it asser that we said is only why the decorations? Sois explains really just like what we saw by it's mitzvah. have the decorations hanging and now you take it down and you you're using it for something else. It's bizarre and that's why it's brings it overall explaining that says that is also says the reason why it's What goes into decorations? We're going to go into more about it, but let's first clarify decorations is to have from what goes into decorations. So these explains what goes into decorations. He doesn't da speak about this at the end he goes into our sh about what's decorations becoming but really speaks about maybe somebody asked him what what should he put for decorations? Should he put all those chains and stars? So Ramosha writes like this. No suk goes into the g ofu whatever you would do in your house you do in the suk and even a poor person that doesn't have sheets hanging beautiful curtains in his house and he puts it up in the suka that's still tuanturu but it's something that you put up in your house something that you would put up in your house you put up in the suk I gora gives examples of no of hanging up fruits Nobody hangs up fruits in their house. So says what do you mean can't do this? Gmorrah says examples of that people do not do in their house. Zakisha the only reason people don't put up fruits in their house is because fruits don't last long. So nobody hangs up in a dining room let's say pomegranates. They don't hang it up and then a week it starts getting wrapped. And that's why people don't do it. But the it's something to be mccash at the house with the suk one second the suk on the other hand the suk which is something that's only for seven days and a fruit could last for those amount of days. So it is >> Dr. Mosha second a second please I want to hear is Dr. things that you wouldn't put in the house and you put in the suk doesn't have a okay you do it he even says it's but to call it it's not here's where he's mopic about it yeah I think before it's here is the aim So we're saying this more I don't know if that you could take off other things that you want to put in your house but just to bring out the concept it's something that's is as opposed to things that have no it's nice to put it but it's not what we asking please those things don't go bad. >> I hear I hear I hear the shy asking the only thing maybe that I would say >> the only thing is is that could be people don't hang it just because lisa when you put it and it gets spoiled and not I I I hear maybe when it gets wet and moist and it starts growing mildwy flour. I don't know if it's such a practical thing in the house. I just don't know if it lasts. You're right. uh apple doesn't last more than a week as opposed to them is much longer but I don't know would people put around be mash at their house with nuts lice eventually especially the olden days it's cold it's hot it's moist gets into the fl is a good shaka those are examples also that technically are not mamish fruits that get rotten right away good just to go into a few examples just to go into a few examples um interesting Sh about that could be questionable about being being uh being from these are miss person has flowers I think they speak about a flower pot but if you have a nice vase with flowers in the suk and it's raining and you want to take the flowers. It doesn't make a shabas yumpt of you want to take the flowers and bring it inside. Now you're eating I've guessed yourself. You're eating now the suda in your house. You want to bring it inside. Not so much the I don't know if the concern is so much the moving it but when you bring it in your house and now you're being from it not as a it's a big sh about it you could but that's an interesting question bringing out ohic that was the next example actually one more example before handling on the table and then we'll get down to the tablecloth candlesticks leis they say you could bring in even though it's also beta the mccashet but it's not mamish it's it's dear to light candles and talking about candlesticks it's very interesting about the light fixture there's a discussion of the pkim the pash this is that a light fixture only if it's to be makash the suka you see you have that fluorescent bulb or whatever that lights up the suk that the is mut to bring in to take it down you want to use it rather the bos seems to say that it's user It's mut as opposed if you have these colorful lights or whatever type of lights you have that's to be masha that would also be the same thing that it's but a is mut what's about a tablecloth. So a tablecloth also is a discussion if it's mut or not. It seems I couldn't see it inside but they bring the the I didn't see it inside but they say that could be the it is which I wanted to see inside cuz I want to see if there's a difference sometimes is a tablecloth because practical maybe even a regular tablecloth also but I'm have like a nice tablecloth it's part of being mccasha to suk then a wood could be a sh of and he says if you have tablecloth that's a beautiful tablecloth that's being mccasha to suk you could take it off because there's no you could take it off but to put it on the table in your house that you're not allowed to do >> depend your dining table for a whole week so then you can take the tablecloth off but if you want someone who >> not about taking the tablecloth off in the suka the shil is if you take a tablecloth off from the suka and even if you have your tablecloth in the dining room always off but you take a beautiful tablecloth from the suka and you put it into your dining room. So now you're using no suka in your house you would do generally in your house. So for some of you keep your table your table covered. You can put on showers or something. So then it's part of the patio to do in your circle >> to what to not have a tablecloth. >> It will depend on what you do. The dining table always covered and you should >> So I I hear what you're saying. It's very interesting but it could be that much is clear. It's clearly the shabas and y of your table supposed to be covered. So hum and it comes they supposed to cover your table as well. Also what's about decorations that are outside the suka? For an example I have it by my suka outside the suka. On the door I have a br sign. So how what are you gonna be in the hand from it but is that also included in they bring the stipless said that it's sometimes you have outside the suka not just a a sign you have something nice a chain a nice something and you you want to know if could you use it it's outside the suka so the sh that's also considered it's not in the suk the says that it's motor So is the same like we said before that falls down first of all is to be from and if it falls down as well it's also asser it's also to clarify this is very important this is mish I would say the punchline no suka is not moxa lot of move as a matter of fact. This is in says you could even take down decorations. It's interesting because if you take it down you you being my native you can even take down decorations but for sure if decorations fall down you can move it. You don't have to leave it on the floor. You don't have to leave it on the table. This is like the sh that I always get. It's not that's what we're saying the whole morning now. However, shabas and yumptive being that you can't have han from the decorations. You can't have from the decorations. It becomes because there's no it's you can't even move the decorations. You could you could some you could even take down the decorations. Let's say it's raining. You want to take it down. If the decoration falls down, it's you can't even it falls on the table. You can't. It's you can't move it. That's this is not this is like a rock that there's no it's not good very good we need to find a what what are you going to do falls down on your table so the brings two not an heavy case one is if it's y of if not chabas and he says and then he brings the primag says to do with a shin Because it's if it's fell down at the table, you need to eat, you move it. Says to move it with a another would be says is gra which means if it falls down there's no if it falls down there's no but if it falls down in a way that it's a chain that's wet or something it's dirty. He gives the example to be let's say from the falls down those pieces. So then even though it's so just to conclude I really wanted to go into tonight and I'm just going to I'm not going to go into tonight. Tonight is a discussion for itself. If tonight helps the MAB says tonight helps the Ram says not. It's it's an it's I'm going to leave it but that's another part that would have been really noa but just to be makum very clearly what we have over here these are to be from the from the walls these is maybe also from the floor from the from the and even after it falls down the falls down the no falls down it's also but the is is only to be in the hand from it to move it is no shabas and being that you can't have a no from it but mainly there's also is not only to be mama but she's to move it as well have a wonderful shabas