SHUSHAN PURIM – HOW FAR DOES YERUSHALAYIM STRETCH OUTSIDE THE OLD CITY

This week's staff >> migill we're learning migill holding gimmel the gammor on the bottom of the gar says which means of that the is of reads Not like any other place they read. So not only reads anything that's close any place that's close to the close to the muk of to the old city let's say of anything that's seen you means you could see from wherever you live you could see the old city even if you see just a wall is considered part of the part of the old city to read. So even though we know we learned clearly he's a between and everybody else reads but the everybody else that reads if they are close to or if they're nearer they could see the old city they read that's a clear we mentioned last week it's if you have extra The gar brings a drum says Medino Medina Medina which is referring to is Medina. What's Medina Medina is that there is another Medina that also reads and that Medina is even though it's not a reads. How close? How near? What's what's the shear? So nir, the poshus is mirror that you could see. No, you could see the old city. You could see the wall. That's nearer. That's the pastas. Mirror. What's nearer? You could see the walls of old city. That's mirror. No matter how far you are, could be 10 miles away. You're on a mountain. You have a good view. You could see a clear day. It's nearv. However, you have to be close by. What's summer? A few hundred feet. How what's how close by this is also but Rashi explains also and many other is when it comes to how close by how close do you need that it should be called? So I think about mill's mill which means for you have to be within a mill to be part of the old city to read mirror mirror doesn't make a difference how far you are as long as you could see the old city you read tv and the pus that's what the garra says first of all it's clear the gammorra says you need either or s or n so n means Means like the garra says the garra explains by you're high up in a mountain which means the garra is just bringing out what does one without the other means even if you're 10 miles away but you're on a mountain and it's it's literally 10 miles away but you could see that's called and means within the middle like the gar which you can see what does it mean you're a half a mile away and you can't see your usually if it's a flat area you should be able to see so you can't So that's the so that's very clear that means within a mill to the old city that you read is unlimited as long as you could see it it's fine amongst other however there is a that the says that's the mashmo is also the the mashmoi These are which means if you're going to be 10 miles away and you could see even though the garra says we saw the garra the garra says the adds you need that it should be connected what does means that it has to have a for a small example you have the old city that's That's m of that reads. Let's say you're at a place 10 miles away, but it's its own entity. It's its own city. It has its own police department, its own. Has all its own uh all its own functions. That's what comes up in the then you won't read, which means a very important what the Gmorra says. You read even though it's it's not part of it. It's but it has to be part of it. Has to be part of the city to some extent means even if it's 10 miles away has to be somewhat connected. It has a part of the city. Maybe they pay the taxes to the city. So that's the we'll soon see that's that which is within a mill and a mirror even far away also reads >> what's in your name and it's not near meaning has only the sp the >> very good we're going to get to that that's of we're going to get to that shortly what happens if it odi has this tonight the before we go into later the going in but that you still need your name. That's the says but you need your name. It's a of because really the gmorra says the doesn't say but we'll get to it more shortly. However, there are that argue on this whole discussion that we just explained that n is unlimited and is a mill the one of the the raam and the mashy is that when the gammor says the and the garra says mill that's actually going mirror it's very nice you could see it but if you're 10 miles away you don't need as what the is that brings the opposite the switch it around but the Torah says that if it's or then you ret the Torah says mill which at least he's going on the later one which he says is near and on near he says mill so how you going to ask me. I don't understand if N is a mill and is a mill. So why do you ever need NRA? Why is Naya? Yeah. Anyways, within the mill. So what is a ne and you may want to tell me that maybe you need both. You need that then you for sure can't say because that's our says one is enough. So if they both need a mill, what's the difference between even if it's not t that it's a mill. So the have different other explanations that is even less than a mill. Someone even say even just 70. We're not going to go into it now really because it's we're going to focus on the other which is but the whole that mirrors a mill and some is actually less than a mill. So what is the garra saying this that near is a mill? What's the garra saying with a mountain? What do you mean near is a mill? You you're standing and you could see a mill. What's the whole theory by us? The garra says like you're on a mountain. What do you mean? You could see a mill. It's such a complicated thing to see a mill. If you if it's a clear view, you could see a mill. What's the shift near also has to be a mill unlimited here. So how is it? Where's it again? 10 miles away is a mill but so far away. So the Garra says you're on top of the mountain. But if you learn that mirror is also a mill. So what's the whole kasha some were never bothered to a mill you could see. So the explain that the gar you could see nearer you could see a mill but the the garra is explaining when the garra says with a mountain the saying and those sheetas that hold it you need a mill. Let's say you're on the top of a mountain, but to get to the city, you have to take a detour, which is always like that. You take a highway. Really, from wherever you have to go could be much less, but there's no straight road from your where you're leaving to your destination. You have to take go on the highway up and down and back. So, let's see with the mountain, you can't just go from where your house is straight down the cliff. You have to go a different road back and around. Instead of one mil, it's 5 mil. So for that the Gomorrah says that's still considered the mill. As long as the nearer from where you stand you could see as a mill that's fine. I to get there you have to go you have to drive 10 mil it's still considered a mill. >> So it doesn't mean see practically it means potentially if there wouldn't be a mountain there. >> No no no pract. It's not practically to go there a mill but you what you see from where you are down to the old city. It's a mill. It's fine. Ah, to get there, you have to go around four mountains till you get there. You end up driving 10 mil. It's fine cuz the near has to be a mill. So, we have over here a clear is a mill and is as as far as you could or a mill and has to be less. This is not only to anytime someone's part of a city these you're part of what the city has offers and you have to pay the taxes of the city these other different things you're part of it. So if it's whatever means you're considered part of the city that you're part of the city for you're considered the just says that is part of it but what is to understand that it's connected it's not means if you're attached to the city which we'll soon see where you mentioned before maybe even something else what's not mentioned the It's a but what the Gar is saying the saying that you're attached if you're part of a city you live five miles from the city you bought yourself a a ranch just you're not really attached but if you're part of it you have to pay part of the taxes so we have this what's the which is the the past but that's the clear clear even more than a mill and they explain the bas clearly clearly clearly even more than a mill says because even more than a mill to bring it she says at least then is more than a mill to any to the old city. We're going to see soon another discussion about Sak. We'll get to that in a minute. But Raach Mo at least then was it's nearer it's nearer to the old city and you don't need you can't see the wall but you can see inside the old city it's nearer. Sir says a tv is no shila old city or vice versa. >> If I remember correctly I saw they speak about it. I think the says either way is fine but some want to be mad only one way. I forgot which way it has to be butas near either way. But someone want to say that it goes way >> but that is >> Royan from the city. >> Theoretically you could see it. It's just the valley. The old city is >> I'm just trying to remember to see the old city. If you could see one way then just like you could see on the top they can't see. I mean if he's blocking I guess you could see just the rooftops but they can't see up now here but >> we're going standing in the city. How far can you see? >> So ray would be mash madafa from the city that you could see the city could see the old city >> but let's say it would be the opposite of let's say the old city could see the extension so to speak the near they could be seen maybe there wouldn't be now we'll get into uh now that we have pretty clear the gumar the gumar of giml the b we have However you want to say it doesn't make a difference whether near the mount if you live close by let's go with the like so if you live in there's no sha you read no shila medina the migill the migill says mill you're within a mill from there to the old city. What happens if you're not s to the old city but rather you're to which means you live further away but you're close by to people that are reading tv when I lived in we lived in in the bell so maybe maybe that's still a mill but let's go a little further away give by for even further har that's for sure not within a mill so do they also retra has to be to the to the old city. They're not s they're definitely not within a mill. However, they are they're attached close by to the people that are so do they read >> tesv means the people or the city is some another city. >> Let's let's even say the city. So what is sali what are you saying? Let's say tak you're right. It's the city that's depend very good. So you're right. When I was warning the people the city, but it's still a says like you're saying exactly that is yard site was yesterday. The says just like Shabas with the if you're within the city the whole city is so very he says exactly that you're not but you're part of the city and part of the city is so the whole city is considered even if you live 10 miles away literally from the old city but if you all you're part of a city call it to but you're part of a city that the edge of the city is attached I'm sorry that's that's that's the others bring like that that's the that's a but says from the beginning of the city from the old city to where you start that you have a mill which means if from the old city till the beginning of where people live would be almost a mill that's fine let's say the beginning where people live let's say is bear and these 0.9 of a mill that's okay because they live then from the stretch 10 miles however if you're saying like once you have a break of 70 then already even could be a part of the city that's not already that's not called so you're right you have it hatches one after the other after other continues but once you have a break even if it's less than a mill it's already no longer part of the you don't read I'm sorry there are he has a big pages on pages he starts off that Zenfeld was asked that when they started adding on different neighborhoods out of the ones right around the old city. They also wanted to feel part of be part of readv he said they could read and he argues put also in he says it's very nice the feeling that they want to be part of of your is one thing but goes by and he says this that you say that it's all one big city like you mentioned sali says no Why? Because in Shabas does it have a den city? Does it not have a den city go through? But when it comes to the migill for whatever reason that's its own why reads and then the book of also reads. So whatever s is you live within the mill you read you live out of the mill you don't read if you live in ban that's further than it's out of the mill you read your dollar >> you can have two neighbors one guy lives at the mill one guy who reads has about one >> yes what you're saying even spells it out exactly that he says it even though what you're saying you're saying if you have two neighbors it could be one you want he says even in one house even in one house it could be a different in the room I how do you split it I'm almost sure he says even in the house itself one second the feas we're passing like it's near the house near okay >> only part of the house >> would say near is what >> if it's near then the whole house is considered everything >> no no we're not talking about ner we're talking about that it's a ner you live by you cannot see the old city it's not near terrace is s so what happens it's but it's not it's it's part of the Ready? I'm going to have to look for it. He splits the house itself. That's even a bigger cuz if it's imam measure by defeat but that's for sure comes out that if you have two houses you're right up until where it's a mill is bet afterwards there's a place in I forgot what the neighborh it's called they have a place that tak reads that readaloud I always used to think that the reason why they read your dollar is taka for to be mak for of Tekkashitzki. I'm not even sure if it's his but they have it's clearly there's a place over there that reads bodal but in his calendar he says the reason he doesn't say the reason he says that they have a minion over there that reads for the which is its own discussion people come from and they need let's say they're they're going to sleep in they'll be there in but by night for whatever reason they're in they have a wedding they're there so they need migill so they read that that's their location A place where would come out if it's further than a mill. What happens if it's nearer to the s which means always said you could see the old city but let's say you can't see the old city. They could just see from different places. We're going to get to remote in a minute but let's say you could see the new city. Yeah, you could see bells from far away. You could see I don't know if it's K got blocked but you could see you could see the new city of you can't see the old city. So that's a big sh has a very big ch to say that it's says that's just if it's a not we spoke about you're close and buy it for to people that are close that are but what's about the now we'll get to the actually in the we learned the garam we're learning the garam of gimmel even if you learn just rashi but it's clear The Gomorrah says that or either one is even if it's not even if it's not if it's which we said from the that says in if it's which means it's connected because it's part of the city for it's they share the same police department and was saying at least then in the earliest days it wasn't And he said you would read why because it's they were part of they pay taxes the taxes they paid to you. It's part of your others argue this is a very big sh was a very big has a very long ch and I think at that point said it was a big shila back then if also says that it's yodal again back then in the earlier years when they just started their when it those new houses, those egg boxes over there just in the beginning that it's that it's be your actually interesting says that they wanted to be part of your going to make little you know like if you want to extend the city for they make little booths that like this you could it's figure it out imagine it's a sha so he says it's it's nothing when he said if you could put little uh small sheds all along he says next you'll know they'll be reading in uh in Tel Aiv Lamisa I I'm thinking that's claw like that now I looked around I'm we're not living there to know mish but I think lisa kamad it's pretty clear that it's now yash says in about already 25 30 years ago because the mia has changed if you look in the in the pk when they speak about different locations lisa at some point when the city the village whatever it is it grows out I don't know if that's to I don't know if the NRA where they built out is a part of now that's to the old city got attached but it's not a sh because it became can be later I mean it became I think another of the first is yes in services it's part of the city another of says is if it's part of the if it's part of the if the extends a certain part even if it's not even if it's not it's still again I don't know the right now could be it's already connected but is way out way it's not and it's not 100% but it's part of the so I think that it's definitely would says that you read the one last point and with this we're going to conclude what happens. So we said very clear and even if you're like the that's if you live in har if you read what happens if you're let's call it to really not you're connected but to a place that's a suffic There's many places there's a lot of different places that was so that place they read with I think there's many places that are considered a suffic you live uh 10 miles away but the city stretches out and that's neg bench at least in the later years not sure if in the time of the but later it's attached now straight through maybe through but it's attached it's attached straight to do you have to you read your b they read your but you also have to read without so it's a like that I spoke to somebody learning yeshiva povish and he said that that's what they did they still do But I'm sure told now the tv in the morning they tak which in the morning the migill it's not so not so challenging but to to start listening to migill that's already that's you know to be on top of it but it's a sh it's questionable some that even if you're attached to a suffic to also go bosra to read to read. So just to sum up we have over here says means it has to be within the mill but even if it's more than a mill if it's part of the city it stretches out and mirror even if it's further still reads betas. Have a wonderful Shabas.